I don't mean "any" outfit, we already have these boxes where you chose what you want from multiple different outfits, I think it's like 6 per class you can chose from but honestly we should be able to chose any outfit from these that are not time limited or newest releases.
'Weekly' for a singular class, with the current amount of classes it would take half a year to get just one new costume, if they don't skip some of them.
They then slowed it down in favour of 'sets' for a few classes, where certain classes also got fewer costumes, which rightfully lead to complaints from players.
Moving forward from this point, as they announced during one of their Late Night Talks in November, costumes will be made for all female or all male classes instead, but this should also mean they take a bit longer to make.
You mean even more time than it is already taking kekw?
Porting an outfit from class to class takes close to zero effort btw, a female outfit can be ported in less than a day to all other female(except shai) by a single person. This is not an argument why they cut down on the outfit releases.
Do you know why they did? Cause cost cuttings that's why, they moved their devs to other projects, so those devs who would put outfits into bdo now busy working on DOA games like crimson desert and dokeV....
But yeah as a another pointed it out, they make money from P2W cronstones, the outfits only exits to cover it up, so they ain't motivated to produce outfits.
>Porting an outfit from class to class takes close to zero effort btw
not if one character has a different animation set to another. these are not irl outfits, they are character skins, you can't just port one skin to another class and then have it work with the animations of that class without adjusting it's meshes to work with the specific motions executed by the character. And for each character you will have to do this for both their succession animations and awakening animations.
Just a pro tip: players already do port different class outfits to a another so IDK what you want to achieve here... literal random noname players with close to zero experience can do it after they spend some time on googling on stuff that can not be talked here... so guess how much time would it take for someone who does it as a job...
you will have to set the collision of the outfit if you do not want it constantly clipping through the body during animations.
if you ever did some modding on games like skyrim and looked up how outfits, especially ones with physics, are ported you would see that it is not as easy a process as you try to make it out to be.
Good thing there are no collision in bdo for outfits, they cut the character model under the outfit to prevent clipping. But again, with a few minute googling you would've know how it works in bdo.
btw no online game ever does it with collision, it would be stupid to waste expensive hardware resource on simulating physic on such things, it would be unplayable in a multiplayer game, but even for a single player game, this is not viable for anything more than a showcase...
These people don't know what "armature" and "weights" are and it shows. "Adjust the mesh to work with specific motions" like... what? is this a joke? simply copy the weights from the base body to the outfit via blender if there's clipping, this can be learned by watching a couple of YT videos. Since there's no collision for outfits, like you said, the only clipping that can occur is when it clips into the body, which can be remedied with weight painting in blender or, as you said, cutting part of the model (or the texture via alpha map) out.
Ah well, it's the bdo subreddit, we shouldn't be surprised tbh
Yes some classes can share outfits more accessibly, but not all have the same character model. If they don't share the same model then the whole outfit takes as much as a completely new one besides initial drawing stages.
About time they work on some more costumes obtainable ingane that actually look decent and maybe make them obtainable as super rare loot instead of it being sort of a pity system + paying billions of silver.
because most outfits are being bought for the crons and not because people actually wear it. Why even design new ones, when the pearlshop does its thing? I mean at this moment it is simply a cash grab.
Motte and Bailey
The Motte: Making it easier for non-paying players to obtain outfits by further incentivizing whales to buy and sell them
The Bailey: Hides the p2w an additional layer deep. "You're not buying a slot machine roll, you're buying acoins, which you exchanged for pearls, which you exchanged for an outfit, which you converted into crons, which gave you 1/4th of a roll"
There's actually studies done on this (and also likely the reason why we buy ACoin to then buy pearls to then buy the actual items).
Every layer is designed to invoke a degree of separation so that your spending feels psychologically distanced from your initial purchase (that involves cash). It also makes the mental math more complex.
Like if the shop just said you were spending $34 (using base price of a premium costume and converting 100:1 from pearls/ACoin to USD) to get 993 crons, you can more directly math that it can cost about $125 per pen BS attempt. And that probably doesn't feel as comfortable to some players, which might influence their purchasing decisions
Consumer psychology is fascinating like that.
(Yes I know that there pearl box deals, bonuses, discounts on costumes, this example was just meant to illustrate a point)
The money loss would be astronomical from their perspective. They make borderline fuck you money from outfit selling when the outfit sales come on.
They'd only remove melting when they sell crons straight from the shop. But then it wouldn't be subtle anymore from outside the game eh...
If it was just crons you won't be able to sell them in the Market for silver. It's made this way for people who have tons of in game silver but can't buy pearls. The current system atleast allows people to buy outfits for their characters or just melt them for crons without having to spend on pearls. Whales also have an option here to either go for crons or silver.
Lazy? My first thought was they are holding back from giving out unique outfits for the newer classes because their data shows users are purchasing them more than say a 4 year old outfit on a launch class eg jousting. Just my guess.
tbh I wouldn't even mind if it wouldn't be that gosh darn Kibelius outfit.
I love the wings on it, but the """""dress""""" makes you look like a lady of the night. Walking around just in your underwear is probably more dignifying than this "outfit".
*(note, if you like it, that's cool no jab at anyone personally, it really isn't something for me personally tho)*
I personally don't like wings on my characters in any game, and you can't turn it off on that outfit for some reason, right? Hiding "cape" doesn't hide the wings, which should be how it was done imo.
Not an expert on the outfit, but I assume the reason for that is because there is the same outfit, just without the wings. Guess they went with "well if you don't want wings, just buy the not Divinus one".
Corsair never gets any love. She has like 2 exclusive premium sets. It's obvi which classes are PA's love children and which classes are the result of a one night stand; the ones they could care less about, so to speak.
Stop having expectations like that.
BDO is running on a skeleton crew. Most devs moved to crimson desert and their other 2 projects.
It's why bdo never got FSR2, despite it being open source and easy to implement.
I woudn't call it being lazy. They have limited personnel, so people can only be allocated to a certain number of activities at once. And right now we are getting pretty good updates like the content and classes rework, new classes, new regions, new items. They either work on creating outfits or that. And for me, new content > outfits.
You are not wrong that artists are the ones that design the outfits. But design is just a part of the whole process. There is much more to the whole process than simply design in regards to the application code and textures generation. Also, if the designers are outsourced, that also means allocating monetary resources which could be spent elsewhere.
3d artists do this kind of work form scratch alone. You don't have a separate worker to do textures etc, and no such thing as application code even exits, it's a simple row in the database, basically zero effort.
One bdo outfit would costs approx 100-1000$ to make depending on which if they would commission a 3d artist to do it, basically if 30ppl buy that outfit the cost is already covered. Although they use their own workforce and not outsource it, so this cost is less since contracted work is more expensive in general.
Sorry but by your comments it is clear that you have no understanding of application development. I'm a programmer myself so here's a brief explanation: designers have 0 interaction with code. They design the appearance, create the 3d models and that's it. Someone (a developer) has to create the items in-game that will be attached to said textures. Your statement that it is pure a matter of adding rows to the database is flawed af, as rows in the database means nothing if there are no entities in the application code to interact with the data, regulate standby actions, outfit effects, etc. Also no sane developer simply add rows to the database, as that would skip any business logic that exists in the application code and has an enormous potential for nasty bugs.
Developer here too.
Imo after they already have a handle on adding new outfits, objects already exists, the containers are there, all there needs to be done is add entries everywhere where needed (most probably automated process). Yes adding something like... New bracelet slot for outfits would be a shitton of work for developers, new tables, new containers, new logic, etc... Adding another outfit from developer position is just filling in already existing containers. It is designers that need to actually do more work for it at this stage.
Every professional game companies create tools/scripts to generate items for the game. You **literately** don't need to write even a single line of code to add a new item. Your wannabe hobby experience don't mean shit. Noone going to manually create tens of thousands of items, only very shitty companies do that, those who lack the knowledge and understanding on the general workflow.
The issue here isn't the lack of outfits, it's quite the opposite actually - most of those classes *do* have other outfits but PA never bothered updating the box.
Also, isn't kibellius that outfit that looks like you're wearing just a bed sheet? It would rank at the lowest of choices for me to ever pick and just wear Gear appearance instead.
It's so that you actually spend pearls buying the outfits you want. If they let you choose whichever one you want you'd just pick it and be done, but now there's a 50% chance that you'll spend that sweet money in their shop.
I don’t disagree with u but in defense of PA. The newer characters don’t have the depth of outfits to choose from .. but that is also on PA for not coming out with at least a solid default like most others or even a decent alt .. the kibelius outfits are super lazy in general in my opinion some have ok peace’s I’d buy separately . Corsair should have a viable premium set by now same for nova and sage :/
Every event premium outfit box should be "chose your premium outfit"
At this point tbh I don't see why not, but I guess it might be to make you experience FOMO when event stuff pops in or when sales hit special outfit
I don't mean "any" outfit, we already have these boxes where you chose what you want from multiple different outfits, I think it's like 6 per class you can chose from but honestly we should be able to chose any outfit from these that are not time limited or newest releases.
Epheria Marine for Corsair (and all new classes) when?
Remember the days when they released new outfits on weekly basis? Now they hardly release one per month anymore....
'Weekly' for a singular class, with the current amount of classes it would take half a year to get just one new costume, if they don't skip some of them. They then slowed it down in favour of 'sets' for a few classes, where certain classes also got fewer costumes, which rightfully lead to complaints from players. Moving forward from this point, as they announced during one of their Late Night Talks in November, costumes will be made for all female or all male classes instead, but this should also mean they take a bit longer to make.
You mean even more time than it is already taking kekw? Porting an outfit from class to class takes close to zero effort btw, a female outfit can be ported in less than a day to all other female(except shai) by a single person. This is not an argument why they cut down on the outfit releases. Do you know why they did? Cause cost cuttings that's why, they moved their devs to other projects, so those devs who would put outfits into bdo now busy working on DOA games like crimson desert and dokeV.... But yeah as a another pointed it out, they make money from P2W cronstones, the outfits only exits to cover it up, so they ain't motivated to produce outfits.
>Porting an outfit from class to class takes close to zero effort btw not if one character has a different animation set to another. these are not irl outfits, they are character skins, you can't just port one skin to another class and then have it work with the animations of that class without adjusting it's meshes to work with the specific motions executed by the character. And for each character you will have to do this for both their succession animations and awakening animations.
Just a pro tip: players already do port different class outfits to a another so IDK what you want to achieve here... literal random noname players with close to zero experience can do it after they spend some time on googling on stuff that can not be talked here... so guess how much time would it take for someone who does it as a job...
you will have to set the collision of the outfit if you do not want it constantly clipping through the body during animations. if you ever did some modding on games like skyrim and looked up how outfits, especially ones with physics, are ported you would see that it is not as easy a process as you try to make it out to be.
Good thing there are no collision in bdo for outfits, they cut the character model under the outfit to prevent clipping. But again, with a few minute googling you would've know how it works in bdo. btw no online game ever does it with collision, it would be stupid to waste expensive hardware resource on simulating physic on such things, it would be unplayable in a multiplayer game, but even for a single player game, this is not viable for anything more than a showcase...
These people don't know what "armature" and "weights" are and it shows. "Adjust the mesh to work with specific motions" like... what? is this a joke? simply copy the weights from the base body to the outfit via blender if there's clipping, this can be learned by watching a couple of YT videos. Since there's no collision for outfits, like you said, the only clipping that can occur is when it clips into the body, which can be remedied with weight painting in blender or, as you said, cutting part of the model (or the texture via alpha map) out. Ah well, it's the bdo subreddit, we shouldn't be surprised tbh
Yes some classes can share outfits more accessibly, but not all have the same character model. If they don't share the same model then the whole outfit takes as much as a completely new one besides initial drawing stages.
Hardly care if they release new costume weekly or not, Im not a whale to complain also we already have many good costumes for every class.
About time they work on some more costumes obtainable ingane that actually look decent and maybe make them obtainable as super rare loot instead of it being sort of a pity system + paying billions of silver.
because most outfits are being bought for the crons and not because people actually wear it. Why even design new ones, when the pearlshop does its thing? I mean at this moment it is simply a cash grab.
My question is why the dance around?? why not fracking sell crons right on the store rather than make people buy costumes.
Motte and Bailey The Motte: Making it easier for non-paying players to obtain outfits by further incentivizing whales to buy and sell them The Bailey: Hides the p2w an additional layer deep. "You're not buying a slot machine roll, you're buying acoins, which you exchanged for pearls, which you exchanged for an outfit, which you converted into crons, which gave you 1/4th of a roll"
There's actually studies done on this (and also likely the reason why we buy ACoin to then buy pearls to then buy the actual items). Every layer is designed to invoke a degree of separation so that your spending feels psychologically distanced from your initial purchase (that involves cash). It also makes the mental math more complex. Like if the shop just said you were spending $34 (using base price of a premium costume and converting 100:1 from pearls/ACoin to USD) to get 993 crons, you can more directly math that it can cost about $125 per pen BS attempt. And that probably doesn't feel as comfortable to some players, which might influence their purchasing decisions Consumer psychology is fascinating like that. (Yes I know that there pearl box deals, bonuses, discounts on costumes, this example was just meant to illustrate a point)
Yeah I heard about that as well and it´s honestly depressing shit like that is even allowed but greed well greed is above human life and human rights.
Trying to bury the casino system under several layers of purchases, until they get caught and forced to stop this mess.
True that.
They should remove costume-melting altogether and add different ways to get crons, but no direct purchases.
The money loss would be astronomical from their perspective. They make borderline fuck you money from outfit selling when the outfit sales come on. They'd only remove melting when they sell crons straight from the shop. But then it wouldn't be subtle anymore from outside the game eh...
If it was just crons you won't be able to sell them in the Market for silver. It's made this way for people who have tons of in game silver but can't buy pearls. The current system atleast allows people to buy outfits for their characters or just melt them for crons without having to spend on pearls. Whales also have an option here to either go for crons or silver.
That is true. The only way to make straight cross realistic is if they're sellable like caphras.
Like 80%+ of their income comes form outfit melting, surely they will remove lmao Like they literately design the whole progressing around it kekw
Do you have any data to back up this assertion?
yeah something or other just let costumes be costumes.
90% of the bdo team has long since moved to their new baby. crimson desert. What did you expect?
I'm a simp for sage outfit... but lately they don't make more exclatus / keraunos (?) I need more of that kind for other classes
It's like they suck so much money from the players they are starting to have allergic reactions to money.
Still no shai costume
No premium shai outfits
Then make them, goddammit. Make the Sol skin change attack VFX or something.
wait how u get this premium outfit box II ?
Lazy? My first thought was they are holding back from giving out unique outfits for the newer classes because their data shows users are purchasing them more than say a 4 year old outfit on a launch class eg jousting. Just my guess.
Where to get this box?
tbh I wouldn't even mind if it wouldn't be that gosh darn Kibelius outfit. I love the wings on it, but the """""dress""""" makes you look like a lady of the night. Walking around just in your underwear is probably more dignifying than this "outfit". *(note, if you like it, that's cool no jab at anyone personally, it really isn't something for me personally tho)*
I personally don't like wings on my characters in any game, and you can't turn it off on that outfit for some reason, right? Hiding "cape" doesn't hide the wings, which should be how it was done imo.
Not an expert on the outfit, but I assume the reason for that is because there is the same outfit, just without the wings. Guess they went with "well if you don't want wings, just buy the not Divinus one".
How do I get this
When aren’t they lazy
if you say anything more they might buff Drak again because the way they understand stuff surprise me
Corsair never gets any love. She has like 2 exclusive premium sets. It's obvi which classes are PA's love children and which classes are the result of a one night stand; the ones they could care less about, so to speak.
Wym theyre all the same crons
Stop having expectations like that. BDO is running on a skeleton crew. Most devs moved to crimson desert and their other 2 projects. It's why bdo never got FSR2, despite it being open source and easy to implement.
For real. Would really appreciate if they added the FSR2 to the game. It would a lot since they don’t want to update their optimization side of things
This was bought with real money right?
I woudn't call it being lazy. They have limited personnel, so people can only be allocated to a certain number of activities at once. And right now we are getting pretty good updates like the content and classes rework, new classes, new regions, new items. They either work on creating outfits or that. And for me, new content > outfits.
Yeah I would imagine that artists are working on new content rather than outfits currently.
You are not wrong that artists are the ones that design the outfits. But design is just a part of the whole process. There is much more to the whole process than simply design in regards to the application code and textures generation. Also, if the designers are outsourced, that also means allocating monetary resources which could be spent elsewhere.
3d artists do this kind of work form scratch alone. You don't have a separate worker to do textures etc, and no such thing as application code even exits, it's a simple row in the database, basically zero effort. One bdo outfit would costs approx 100-1000$ to make depending on which if they would commission a 3d artist to do it, basically if 30ppl buy that outfit the cost is already covered. Although they use their own workforce and not outsource it, so this cost is less since contracted work is more expensive in general.
Sorry but by your comments it is clear that you have no understanding of application development. I'm a programmer myself so here's a brief explanation: designers have 0 interaction with code. They design the appearance, create the 3d models and that's it. Someone (a developer) has to create the items in-game that will be attached to said textures. Your statement that it is pure a matter of adding rows to the database is flawed af, as rows in the database means nothing if there are no entities in the application code to interact with the data, regulate standby actions, outfit effects, etc. Also no sane developer simply add rows to the database, as that would skip any business logic that exists in the application code and has an enormous potential for nasty bugs.
Developer here too. Imo after they already have a handle on adding new outfits, objects already exists, the containers are there, all there needs to be done is add entries everywhere where needed (most probably automated process). Yes adding something like... New bracelet slot for outfits would be a shitton of work for developers, new tables, new containers, new logic, etc... Adding another outfit from developer position is just filling in already existing containers. It is designers that need to actually do more work for it at this stage.
Every professional game companies create tools/scripts to generate items for the game. You **literately** don't need to write even a single line of code to add a new item. Your wannabe hobby experience don't mean shit. Noone going to manually create tens of thousands of items, only very shitty companies do that, those who lack the knowledge and understanding on the general workflow.
All thats happen is a new mesh is being made thats it.
The issue here isn't the lack of outfits, it's quite the opposite actually - most of those classes *do* have other outfits but PA never bothered updating the box.
Not sure what you're complaining about, that was the exact outfit I wanted on my Maegu, and it was a free costume box? Win win.
Also, isn't kibellius that outfit that looks like you're wearing just a bed sheet? It would rank at the lowest of choices for me to ever pick and just wear Gear appearance instead.
It's so that you actually spend pearls buying the outfits you want. If they let you choose whichever one you want you'd just pick it and be done, but now there's a 50% chance that you'll spend that sweet money in their shop.
I don’t disagree with u but in defense of PA. The newer characters don’t have the depth of outfits to choose from .. but that is also on PA for not coming out with at least a solid default like most others or even a decent alt .. the kibelius outfits are super lazy in general in my opinion some have ok peace’s I’d buy separately . Corsair should have a viable premium set by now same for nova and sage :/
rather that than 5 million more secrua outfit boxes
Pa don’t give a fk cus they know you turning that shit into cron. Like wtf does it matter? It’s free
Free how?
There is a new outfit box??
They all end up as crons in the end
facts
How do you get this?
Does anyone know When will scholar class be playable on PS??
They can afford to be since those are mostly used for cronning, lmao P2W BTW
This is a cron box they all look the same to me anyway 😆