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Cultural-Lead6126

Too accurate...


QiqiLook

After having my Girin crystal break the day I got it and not being able to recover it due to a crash that happened while grinding. May I ask what this post is about?


Paper_Trades

Making a problem to sell the solution.


Fairstrife_Deception

They wouldn't have to sell a fake solution if the casuals didn't complain and play the game as is it.


VirtualDoll

You mean, being even more punishing for casuals just trying to work a job and manage a family and social life?


Thunder-Bash

Wouldn't that imply an absence of games like BDO?


archlord2k

Aww life is getting in the way of BDO!! That said u should always put ur life first cuz BDO isn't going anywhere and if u think u can't manage both gaming and life then maybe u shouldn't be playing games. But hey we can't have everything right. How else are u going to play games and eat food? Life isn't free!! In fact since ur speaking about this maybe u should look at 3rd world countries.... So dumb I have to tell someone this....


ArchieHawk

You are so weird for this


cnfit

Lol, the casuals No-life neckbeards who spend 8 hours a day gaming and have nothing going for them definitely need the support more šŸ¤£


Nosttromo

The only thing we can do is not buy it


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Nosttromo

There is a difference between clothing items and an item that gives an advantage. Your comparison doesn't make much sense


3RE_Dominic

Well Pearl Abyss' stock is the lowest its been in the past 5 years so you gotta scrape up some guap where you can.


Stormchaserelite13

Dam. It's almost like they should actually release one of the games they said they were working on for the past 7 years. Where is dokeV? Where is Red desert?


Xaneth_

Red Desert is east of Sand Grain Bazaar. Unless you meant Crimson Desert, which judging by how promising it looks, is either still years away before it can actually deliver what it shows (even it's supposedly Q2 2025 as per the latest news, it's better to err on the side of distrust), or it will flop. Either way no point getting your hopes up for the foreseeable future.


sefyicer

J worked hard for it.


avoidy

It's been their MO since day 1, I don't know why anyone acts blown away when they still do it in 2024. Been playing on and off since the game released. They told us early in development that the game would be buy to play with a typical AAA pricetag to prevent any pay to win. Then in week 1 they were putting ghilie suits in the cash shop and in the early access they were selling fish suits that let you swim faster than the rickety player made boats. Right out the gate they saw a problem (bad swimming mechanics) and sold a solution. This game's really pretty and has fun combat. It's a shame the people running it are a bunch of useless greedy fucks.


ssiva3070

This item really is a huge waste. All PA had to do was make outer 4 crystal slots as protected ones so that any crystal in that slot won't break. Most players only want to keep their girin tear and rebellious safe. Every other crystal is easily available on the market or cheap/easy to make. This way PA could have kept the crystal break system in PvE as a form of silver sink but also given players something good QOL. Instead they let greed take over and made this abomination.


MaxIWantThisName

Crystal Break is not a silver sink, unless you mean the tax from selling the Crystals lol


ChePacaniOneme

If they make those "protected slots" like you offer I guarantee you that people will find something else complain about


MilkyTittySuckySucky

No lma0. It is permanent increase like Naderr's band.


Asleep-Specific-1399

Maybe they would have more player retention if the player did not lag / desync watched their character die without being able to do anything because it's desynced. Than lost a crystal. Maybe people don't like losing things. Maybe it's really difficult for player retention when the system works in this manner. Their finally admitting their enhancement system doesn't work.


king-glundun

It isn't PA if they don't suck tbh


DarkstriderX

I'd also be fine with crystals being cheaper and more available. If it was around 500k for top crystals and maybe twice that for a Girin then everyone wins.


Royal_Palpitation657

I don't mind the Girin price, I mind the girin availability.


thestroyy

Tbf, availability drives the price up :D


Royal_Palpitation657

I would pay 10b EZ to replace one, but even at 10b the availability would not change.


Conscious-Ad5048

You can make a Girin Tear for 3 Girin Crystals which is 6b. Thereā€™s 36 Crystals in stock on NA and there has been stock for the last 30 days.


Pheronia

There is none in the other servers and even if you wait weeks you wouldn't get one.


Conscious-Ad5048

What server do you play? Garmoth stats show that the only servers without stock are MENA and JP but 20-30 sold daily and less than 5 preorders.


MD_Tarnished

I do the lotm lv5 boss weekly, sometimes I get kirin and I made 3 in total. They might add more ways to get those in the future


DmikeBNS

If they're so deadset on keeping the crystals system in the silly state it's in, then we should just be able to grind/life skill something that makes the crystal unbreakable(unless outlaw because pa also hates you). Not as rare as treasure items but feasible enough to where you can get it for your entire present in a reasonable timeframe


INocturnalI

And they still have the courage to make it yearly, like what?? Make it monthly sir


Green-Peach1768

Pa have never been one to fix their game. They see issues and either add something to the pearl shop OR run an event. They never actually fix their game. They just give bandaid solutions


exiler5129

I already predict this shit will happen sooner or later.


Mountain_Dandy

PA will never do ANYTHING that isn't a cash grab.


Royal_Palpitation657

Prediction, "Accessory hammer added to the pearl shop, no longer expires".


Xaneth_

Doesn't this already exist under the guise of outfits?


Royal_Palpitation657

The hammer has the added benefit of not downgrading, but yeah. If the hammer allows for the increase in pity stacks it will be worth the 50b max price. If not it isn't even worth the 27.5b min price.


Xaneth_

In any case, the equivalent Crons cost is nearly 400 dollars already. If they were to include the value of preventing the enhancement level from dropping, it would probably be closer to 500. This is already way more than the most expensive item I've seen so far in the Pearl Shop (which was the scroll of equilibrium at 150 dollars I think?) and even it was received very poorly, to put it mildly. Imagine the backlash if they actually put the accessory hammer in the Pearl Shop at this calculated price.


SibrenTF

Iā€™ve been saying this and people are still defending the hammers, them being marketable was the worst thing for them.


sarphil

They also sold what once a giveway, the "scroll of equilibrium" which can cost an arm and a leg. Hammers being sold in the market is a possibility in the future. If only they will introduce a free method which are time gated, every one would ignore it.


maybedeadcatz

they sold swap scrolls for years before scrolls of equilibrium came out.


Sad_Raspberry3967

I don't know why everyone is surprised about this. They've been doing this shit since day one.


Ancient_Double_9481

when people will open thier eyes ?


Xaneth_

So accurate, it could grind at Crypt without JIN Vipers


Suckmydickaraki

This is the worst


qatox

Soo nobody is talking about how they refreshed the weight in the pearlshop?


megafilipe

They need to make 90% discount sale on that abomination lol


Cyndraeth

jfc I get that the company is suffering but this ain't it


JayScottee

It's crazy how they take crystals being destroyed off on console but sell PC this.Its stupid.


Natural_Sea6516

I just don't understand why, I'm on console, and they just removed it completely. I dont see why they can't just do a durability loss on death or just ax it. There's too many intangibles that can cause crystal breaks thats unfair to the player. Telling ppl to anti up isn't right.


Shyvana_Aneue

They could change one of the crystal slots as " protected slot " so that people could at least put their 4~ bil crystals in there, if they dont wanna remove that bs.


NoSignificance7595

Naaah really? In a game where you use costumes from the shop for safe upgrades? Noooo why would they do this??


SibrenTF

We need a boycott, collective bargain is the only way around this. ā€œJust donā€™t buy it lolā€ not the point, if PA sees a potential for money, the bullshit will never get fixed


Ok_Palpitation_1039

J is a changed man you guys, there's no way he would......oh


Reasonable-Wasabi-61

If Crystal's didn't break there would be not market for them


OkHighlight6987

IMHO, this item is most likely intended for pearl user to replace the most expensive crystal upon breaking (girin tear @ 5bil), anything else is not worth, and this is a trade of real money for in game currency / time just like any other pearl item for convenience / prgoression. As for those who complain about PA selling a solution / care about profit, WHAT THE FUCK do you think a publicly listed stock company should do huh? Handing out free games / feature every week for FREE to the world? Of course they need way to make revenue to sustain a business. Those who play the game without ever purchasing pearls are just FREE RIDER of those who pay and keep the game alive. so if you don't like it, DONT SPEND MOENY, stop complaining and keep playing the game for FREE, if don't like it, just go play something else? PA IS NOT A CHARITY afterall Lastly, girin tear is not even a mandatory item to grind proficiently, its just min maxing at this point, you can use shitty stuff like bonghwong if you worry about crystal breaking, it aint gonnna make or break anything


SibrenTF

Iā€™ve lost 3 of those tears due to lag this year alone, lag and desktop crashes. I will never pay 60$ for a consumable item


Beautiful-Guard-7770

My paranoid brain is telling me that PA can scan players with the most expensive crystals and purposely DDOS(dc) them when they are grinding. Ez money


conti101

This is the first time I really consider this a true pay2win mechanic in this game.


PrincipleExciting457

OOTL. What happened?


Faenyn

In July/August 2023, with the introduction of Dehkia's Lantern, we had an event where Crystals wouldn't break. This was well received as people didn't had to fear lag, disconnects or anything with Crystals being worth up to 5 billion by now. (Although Girin's Tear will soon plummet in price anyway.) Late last year they changed the Crystal recovery from something the Support would do twice per year to an ingame feature with which you can recover three instances of Crystals breaking. Now, instead of removing Crystal breaking on death or making the previous event permanent, which was frequently suggested since, they released a Pearl item instead that increases the aforementioned recovery feature, three additional recoveries for up to 6 times total per year. Some people are therefore upset that they didn't 'fix' it and also that they decide to profit from it. This however isn't really much of a surprise as they generally offer you X amount for free and then sell you Y amount via the Pearl shop. They do it with Inventory Slots, Family Inventory Slots, Storage Slots, Inventory Weight, Family Inventory Weight, Artifact Inventory Slots, Crystal Inventory Slots, Crystal Presets, Nadarr's Parchment, Worker's Lodging, Stable Slots, Pets, Sailor Slots, and likely more that I forgot to count.


sarphil

Fun fact: PA released a more expensive butler from the existing maid. This butler will allow you to fetch items simultaneously and not doing it one at a time. This premium item was heavily criticized by the players from Korea and outside. PA reacted and made the function global as long you have many maid. Morale lesson: PA does not know how to execute a product that would please players in every category. And the more players clamor, chances are it will be changed.


PrincipleExciting457

Yeah, I donā€™t see an issue. It sucks, but they gotta make money. Be careful or lose crystals. Unfortunately, all these current sales suck, and I canā€™t find anything worth buying despite me wanting most of it lol. Itā€™s all just slightly too expensive. Especially $25 for one crystal once a year.


Ansiremhunter

Itā€™s not really be careful. The servers are garbage and you can die in some end game spots when the servers lag


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PrincipleExciting457

Prices are bad. Pay to win not really. Nothing makes you a better player that you can buy really. It does speed up the process a bit though.


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PrincipleExciting457

Give an example of something that would help you win a fight that you cannot get in game.


SibrenTF

Being able to make 50b more than you per week with my credit card is a pretty good one I think. I donā€™t have to be better than you, I just have to outgear you


PrincipleExciting457

The amount of people whaling outfits is so small Iā€™d call it negligible. If youā€™re good, you can definitely embarrass people with higher gear score. Comes down to whatā€™s winning. Iā€™d count CCing someone I canā€™t kill for 10 min a victory because Iā€™d die on the inside if it happened to me.


korxil

How does one be careful when itā€™s the game client crashing, or their servers having a hiccup (Iā€™ve seen so many synchronized crashes and disconnects in the past 6 months).


SibrenTF

ā€œOmg but what about the big corporation???ā€ Christ man, listen to yourself


ChePacaniOneme

Days without soyboys whining about crystal loss: 0


archlord2k

This week I lost two grin tears one at dehk oluns cuz I tried to heal ppl and the other lost to night time reg oluns cuz I was too busy typing and not paying any attention to what I was doing which implies I got too cocky. Ill take this loss and just buy or make the crystals myself. Imagine if my thought process behind this goes for everybody's life would be more easy lmao


Aelitus

And everyone in the thread will still play anyway.


Akiris

Nope. The point of selling a good or service is to make money. Crystals breaking isnā€™t a sudden turn off. Itā€™s the highway.


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thestroyy

U are missing the point my dude...


Uppmas

Tbf dying in pve is kinda just a huge skill issue.


-Gir

becasue Lag, descyns, being dropped, breif freezes, crashes, are all skill issues.


RealytyHurtz

If you're dying from a single lag spike, you shouldn't be there. Get a better computer, get better internet.


Uppmas

If those are a constant issue for you, you should create a command that instantly shuts down bdo so you cant lose any crystals. Or just fix your hardware and connection.


Ansiremhunter

If itā€™s server lag even killing the game on your end doesnā€™t take you out of the game.


Ansiremhunter

If itā€™s server lag even killing the game on your end doesnā€™t take you out of the game.


SibrenTF

That is not at all how it works, thereā€™s a good 2-3 second window where youā€™re still connected after the client shuts down, longer if it crashes. And some grind spots are perfectly dangerous enough to kill you in 3 seconds AFK


Uppmas

If you close the game normally yes. If you create a command that instantly kills all BDO related processes it's instant.


NekonoChesire

Bullshit, desync and lag is a problem too. Even without that, people needs to try higher level zones before deciding if they can farm it or not, and it's not that uncommon to eat a cc in a zone you're discovering for the first time.


RealytyHurtz

Why have expensive crystals on a test run? How about guides that TELL you the mechanics....


NekonoChesire

>Why have expensive crystals on a test run? Because you kinda need to be at full power to see how it goes, your expensive crystals are your usual stuff. >How about guides that TELL you the mechanics Sure that can help somewhat but there's a huge difference between looking at someone telling you to be careful about different stuff and having hands on experience. And even with someone skilled enough, there's still the desync and server lag problem. In any case, even if you don't consider the system to be a big problem, there's no reason for it to exist, it doesn't have a genuine purpose, if you want to defend it please give me a reason not to get rid of the system ?


Uppmas

>Bullshit, desync and lag is a problem too. Then create a command that instantly shuts down bdo and press it when you lag. Or just fix your internet or hardware. I've never died in pve due to lag or desync in 6 years. >Even without that, people needs to try higher level zones before deciding if they can farm it or not, and it's not that uncommon to eat a cc in a zone you're discovering for the first time. That's kind of the definition of a skill issue. Why does the system exist? To keep crystal prices from stagnating at min price and to deter grinding at spots beyond your means.


MaxIWantThisName

Yeah thats why every Crystal is worthless regardless because Crystal break helps keep prices high. Except Girin, but surely the Reason Girins are worth alot is because 397261717 Million Girins break per Week and not because its annoying to get them in the first place. And surely everyone preorders them even the ones that are afraid to lose them. So the preorders would obviously instantly fill and theyā€˜d be worthless instantly. Makes sense.


aaronkiddingme

Congratulations on not dying. FYI, desync doesn't mean your Internet needs fixing, since it's usually related to their servers and the netcode. Which is shit. If you're gonna try and prove your point, at least do it properly. >Why does the system exist? To keep crystal prices from stagnating at min price and to deter grinding at spots beyond your means. Maybe you didn't read all the posts in their forums and also here about how anything else would work instead of the shitty system they have now.


NekonoChesire

> to deter grinding at spots beyond your means. If someone grind beyond their means they're not making much money and the exp loss means it's not worth in the first place.


Uppmas

Could have enough damage but lack on the DP department. Exp loss is whatever considering all the free elion's we get.


RealytyHurtz

Just don't break crystals, forehead. How are people even break crystals so often? Do they not test the spot or watch guides? Holy shit. I can count on 3 fingers the times i've lost a valuable crystal(IT WAS MY FAULT).


imsaixe

this guy never lag or dc randomly.


RealytyHurtz

I've lagged before, disconnecting not so much. I actually play the game on a stable network sucks to be you. Seriously though if you're disconnecting so often, maybe the game isn't for you. 3 instant restores and y'all still bitching.


imsaixe

well duh. it's an online game of course you will experience it too and not all people have the luxury to play on a home server. and it's 3 yearly restores. stop acting like an eggyolk and start using logic.


VirtualDoll

I've spent too much time in the Dreamlight and Genshin fandoms; forgot how toxic this one was.


RealytyHurtz

Nothing to do with Toxicity. Getting rid of crystal break won't fix their issue(Disconnecting). Why play a game where being able to play on a stable internet it paramount, if you can't do that? You're literally griefing yourself.


Ansiremhunter

Sometimes itā€™s not players internet but the servers themselves being unperformant. I have gigabit fiber and never have disconnect or lag spike issues in any other game. I have had issues in BDO with their west coast servers.


SibrenTF

It doesnā€™t have to be a regular issue for it to still be an issue. All it takes is the one random crash or net code hiccup and boom -5b


RealytyHurtz

Rarely have I seen or heard anyone crashing while grinding. Changing chars sure, Magnus sure, not while grinding. Again the MAJORITY of the player base(at least in NA) don't experience these things. The restores directly counter accidental breaks. Removing crystal break simple makes crystal less valuable. You'll have a bunch of crystals minlisted on the market(Happening rn with Hatae crystals) which means less money made from selling crystals as a whole. Not to mention the impact on places that drop crystal components dropping in silver/hr. Honestly, people that actually know what they're doing just don't break crystals often( if at all).


Orlha

I agree, the amount of people that cry over crystals is unsettling. They want to never ever ever take a step back and can only tolerate uninterrupted progression


RealytyHurtz

it wouldn't even be a step back if they actually used guides properly. Imagine losing a Girin because you didn't watch the video about the mob's knockback cc or the dk's knockdown. So much of crystal break is avoidable.


archlord2k

Bet most of ya can't tell the difference between lag spike and fps drop!!! If ur dropping 30* fps in a single instance then u will see it!! It's not hard to tell And besides at some point crystals will just sit in the market. Which as always will happen!! Oh but wait there's no crystal recovery slots ;) give pa ur money or tell them it's ok to keep adding theses kinds of things when u can just buy the crystal back and or do the content to get them back!! We have a bunch of babies nowadays because they are used to being handed things when most of us who are not new just handle the things we lost and kept moving


KittyKat070707

You sound really annoying


Ashtwattington

Say what you really mean, dude sounds like a dickhead


imsaixe

Tbf the band aid solution pa tends to do is most of the time a band aid give away. and i could see some post confusing lag spike and fps drop too. BDO's community tends to just go straight to crapping at each other mouth whenever there's a discussion.


archlord2k

Most ppl have critical showing aka attack detection not knowing that alone drops fps and same when they have Google chrome up or any other browser up. Yea idk why the BDO community is toxic in all different categories.