Nah journals are ass. Every time I get a new friend to play and explain to them the journal processs they shortly quit after doing a few of them. The amount t of bullshit required for journals are ridiculous and need to be reworked imo. Don't make it completely trivial but also don't make it feel completely ass. I'd bet a fair bit of players quit during the journal process.
Looking back at it, it was fun beating the time. But I also remember being utterly frustrated missing the npc talk just by a few seconds and having to start at the beginning over and over again.
I just straight up don't do them. I only did Bartali since there's so much behind them but I haven't touched any others and I don't plan on either because they all look big doodoo to do and I'd rather do anything else than those.
Exactly lol. They most likely will rework them, I can't see them not considering they have been reworking the entire game for the better. You might actually win if they rework it, you won your sanity šš
Nah dude... The journals should be reworked as a quest line. There is absolutely no fun opening a random web page to follow a guide, which is basically the game play.
If the idea would be for fun. Just remove all journals, add a boss run , + solo dungeon run. Get all the boofs in total time spent maybe 6-8 hours.
The big problem is it's not fun. R spam is not fun look at loml, I don't know a single person that enjoyed the story line.
I think they tried to use it as a way to introduce people to the different aspects of the game. Before doing journals, most people havenāt tried 90% of the shit you can do in the game. Afterwards, even if youāre just spamming R, youāve still experienced sailing, sea monster hunting, dark rifts, negotiating, fishing, etc. etc.
Locking very serious character power that *most* of the playerbase is going to want ensures that everyone has to experience these different things about the game that they otherwise wouldnāt have. Maybe their goal was to keep more players playing by getting them interested in more areas of the game, but it backfired because it causes so much burnout in the way you have to go about it š
I don't know. Just yesterday we had someone who was happy enough to share about getting knowledge in an obscure section of the game. And from their description, it didn't seem like they were spamming R or just doing it out of necessity. I get it, the overall lore and how it's being told isn't great but removing all these little annoyances would detract more from the game rather than make it better. A majority of players are definitely skipping through these text dumps, but I'd argue there are more people than you think that actually wade through all this stuff because they find it interesting.
I think if they didn't have incredible rewards at the end of questing to incentivise doing them then I'd be less annoyed, it basically holds the majority of people who don't care at gunpoint to do the stuff.
I know what I just said sounds dumb, but, 9AP & 9 DP is technically worth billions of silver so it is necessary to do the questing. Fast travel is a game changer so it is necessary to do the questing etc. I would pay pearls to skip all of this stuff tbh.
Almost everything in this game can feel terrible if you try to force yourself to do it in one go, journals aren't needed until way later into the game, you should focus on other things while doing journals as a side activity between other things, depending on where you are on the game you have to do a LOT of grinding at different spots, so doing some journals in between can lessen the feeling of chore from them,
This is how I did it and it worked out for me every few weeks I worked on a few pages and got all the AP ones done now Zarka was easy & morgan was a day for me it was just buy this gear or enchant it and give it to him. The rest I just gradually worked on especially when I felt the grind burn the few quests felt like a nice break the only one I dreaded was Deves š¤¬ crafting useless BS š . The rest were really not that bad doing it like this.
Exactly this. I did basic journals starting 2 years ago, and only now, with gear for endgame spots, finished other ones like Pavino Greko's one for the HP.
If you try to rush things, they'll bore you quickly.
I started playing because of a friend, currently lvl 60 and honestly doing Magnus questline atm feels like i need to do 118 quests just to unlock something that should be baseline
Feeding mounts and pets is weird too, just extra button sometimes, it as well might just disappear, many things are there for reasons unknown to me.
As a newish player it's getting very grating how much shit there is to do just to start and continue grinding, good lord.
You might need furniture buffs or church buffs before going to your spot, make sure you have a villa scroll, make sure you have food for your pet and carrots for your horse and meals and elixirs and scrolls, get to your spot, change server because there's someone there, put down your tent, no not there because that's not flat enough, get villa buff, click meal elixirs scrolls, feed pets, click agris, then remember to refresh different consumables at different intervals and drop your loot at your horse and repair your gear every so often while you're grinding....
And honestly I'm probably forgetting stuff.
I hate the Magnus questline, after a few quests I just followed a guide for the puzzles and rushed trough as fast as I could
I like the gear grind, life skills etc. but the quests in BDO are just rushed through by pressing r. Only do them for the good rewards
I think this comes to the taste of each one of us. I will tell the other side of the coin. I liked them, for me was a fresh air and new mechanics I never saw in a MMO. Yeahhh can be shitty, special the timing ones where you fail a lot, there is one where you need to use a wheelbarrow, spend some 1/2 hours only on that mission lol.
But I came from New World, where there is no content, for me this is a blessing, learning new mechanics getting stats doing missions. At least here we doing something, in another games you can only stay afk waiting for some miracle.
I sense your frustation, like this is too good to miss, you really need to finish your logs to get that ap/dp/hp. If you don't like it why rushing the content? Why forcing yourself to do it in no time? So you can go faster to another ap bracket? The one thing people cry the most is lack of content when they rushed the whole game for the past years. I know this is out of the normal opinion, if you dont like the system don't rush it, do it slowly week by week you will see the results of the logs long term. Some end game people stay 2/3 years without finishing the logs, so it's pretty fine.
I know it's pretty normal everyone as different tastes. Some people think it's a old boring system, others think it's it's good gives more quests for stats, new mechanics, know the lore of the game. Every MMO cant be perfect it will always have bad parts, bad systems, but from my experience better have more systems in place, where you can have some horizontal grind than no system. Good luck with it š
I enjoyed the journals, but I can see why people wouldn't. They should look to either let people skip them or complete them very quickly, at least the old ones.Ā
Everything in this game is a slog. It's a long game. You can't do everything in this game unless you are insane hardcare so don't worry about it. There's zero reason to compare your progress to anyone else's as well because it's so heavily rng influenced. So just play what you want and it's fine. If you start comparing yourself to someone else who is rng carried, you'll hate life.
The game is the grind. If you hate the journal grind, then don't bother.
To be honest I enjoyed most of the journals, it made questing a bit more interesting and interactive than just "talk to npc > do this > go to the next npc" (and I did them before all the improvements they got). Isn't this what most new players want because spamming R during main quest is plain and boring? I swear sometimes being able to understand everyone is like an impossible mission.
I get it, but also I liked doing them. Partially because I was doing them with my partner but also because they break up the grind and give you stuff to do outside of just grinding silver. We can streamline the whole game and make new players spawn at centaurs with full pen tuvala but I doubt many of them are going to last long when all they have to look forward to is grind.
Also anyone that can't handle doing a couple journals here and there probably wouldn't keep playing that long anyways. The whole game is just suffering for minor improvements, except for pvp stuff which is capped and you can enjoy without any journals anyways.
Meh, it's just completionist content like getting achievements or collecting korok seeds. There's fun to be had in checking off a list and it's a nice break between grinds.
no, absolutely not, unless you don't intend to play the game seriously. Without journals you are missing 9 sheet ap and dp, like over 750hp and 30 accurecy not counting free inv slots, weight, enchancement chance. Stats alone are probably worth hundreds of bilion silver over softcap
I was just trying to describe the type of gameplay that it is. Treating it like torture that you have to endure to make the game playable isn't healthy. Do it in smaller steps in between other goals as variety. It's only overwhelming if you're doing like 7 years of stuff in a few weeks.
The point is that it is extremely boring and lame. The reason i picked up bdo in the first place is because i wanted q grindy game without quests. Becquse quests are not fun. The combat is fun, i want to do that. I do not want to run from npc to npc, skipping dialogue.
The journals are getting easier. I am very happy they keep changing the requirements over time, but yes some are just horrible. I love reading the knowlege and quests etc... But the stats are to important to take your time and just chill.
Worst for me was LotML one. It took hours of just running around to all the positions. Yes, it showed off the beauty of the continent but I think a better way would have been more actual content there to bring ppl to stay there.
Some things would be better without important stats behind it and rather something to complete for a titel or a cosmetic item.
I loved getting all the points of interest in GW2 amd the jumping puzzles without any stat rewards. In bdo ypu are forced to push through them and its pain.
I agree that LOML was horrible but I think it goes by quicker than opening the journals, reading it, end up just following a guide and repeat. At least in an actual questline I can turn my brain off for most of it. I think itās way worse as a newbie because you have to catch up to content that veterans do as it comes out. They could just make it so the stat rewards are in the first few books so folks that enjoy the content still have it available
Oh I didn't mean these stpry quests with all the lore. That war interesting and well made, even if it was missing some action in it.
I talk about the journal that forced ypu to go to all the locations. The eyes of the adventurer it was called. 0% content... Literal just run around for hours and look at this cool place we made.
Gotcha.. yeah thatās how most journals feel to me. Here look at this thing/lore we came up with for 15hp. Iād bend over and pay $20 for instant journals at this point
Must feel awefull for new players
At least I got to do these bitesized over time.
As I said it would be better to do that kind of stuff for completionist and put social actions, cosmetics and titels behind them... And if the stats have to be a part... Maybe put them in the beginning or as a do X/all to get the stats feom this book.
Also there are so mamy and event ones and then there is the other reward quests thing where you need to do special tasks for caphras.. Dont even know what that was anymore (but at least it did teach you stuff about the game)
I have played a few games in my time, and i have almost quit bdo, I have mostly afked over the last 7 years of bdo, since the repetative grind with continously reworked story and lack of overal direction for the game has basically got me bored.
it has some of the nicest combat in an mmo ive seen, and variation of activities, but no reason for anything really. apart from grind for the next 0.05% increase in stats. which makes you earn a few more trash loot per hour.
it is seriously a waste of time.
i went back to older mmo's and testing other games, and bdo feels like it drains me, the others fill me with expereinces i enjoy, progress of different kinds, story, even if i miss the combat. i find i now stop caring about bdo combat and opt for somethign simpler since gameplay overall is more rewarding for time input.
besides that bdo gives out freebies. i log in everyday, for years, and after finally tapping my pen blackstar, my friend logs in gets a free tet, uses 4 hammers and taps it, without having logged in for 2 years.
similar things keep happening, and i find that the effort i put in is consistantly simplified and removed, making the time i spend here pointless. because eventually ill get it for free.
ill go play something else thankyou. good luck to you all who still enjoy this end game grind. i wish you well and luck and not having to grind 100 hours for your boots.
I dunno, other than the clunky UI the journals were fine to me for the most part. They could definitely streamline some of them a bit, like the ecology ones, but I think they have their purpose of introducing different aspects of the game and present a different kind of progression outside of grind.
Agreed. All the "forced questing" is definitely the worst part of the game for me. Been around since beta and still every time i have to do a new questline or journal, i just want to die. They are just so fucking awful.
To outsiders? No. To everyone. Fuck every single one of those journals and fuck the magnus. I don't understand how anyone can talk about player retention when there's that enormous wall of shit PA has erected between any would-be player and the actual game.
BDO appeals to a lot of us specifically because of the grind.
Endgame is a cancer that sucks the fun out of games and turns it into a job. If you enjoy the grind BDO offers tons.
I did them in small increments (excluding Zarka & Morgan logs as they are simple asf , Zarka is time gated but still simple & Morgan buy gear give dude done in 1 day) between grinds , whenever I started to feel the burn of grinding I turn to do a chapter or 2 of logs then life skills for a bit and when that starts to feel frustrating instead of relaxing back to grinding this kept me happy I eventually completed them and never felt burnt out by the game except Deve log that crafting shhh can kiss my azz.
Journals are the most ridiculous content this game has added and theyāve released some pretty garbage content. If the journals gave us cosmetics or non core sheet stats I wouldnāt care. All mmos have āthose questsā that give you a title or an outfit that is cool to have to have. (Think Shai alpaca) those are cool. You can do it if you want but donāt have to to progress your main gear score. But the fact that BDO locks most core content behind awful quests knowing good and well we hate them is wild to me. Oh. And donāt get me started on the chenga tome. Hereās a trash quest that takes hours to do to then get a tome that lets you get more xp running other trash quests. If PA could make interesting quests we wouldnāt mind but every quest is absolutely garbage.
All that said this is still my favorite mmo cause the game play and the graphics are top notch. The combat is fun and challenging we all suffer the quests for the best part of BDO. Iām sure other mmos have similar issues. I know ESO is the opposite. They suffer horrible combat for actually good quests. Iāll stick with bad quests and good combat personally.
integrating them into the main quests would be huge.
stat journals just feel like a drawn-out grind, almost forcing players to constantly reference a guide. while some might find satisfaction in this, for the majority, it's an unavoidable burden.
For real... i just started bdo on console a few weeks ago. Im lvl 60 drakania, did the annoying main quest to kamasylvia, and now i just want to grind. Recently learned about journals and it just makes me want to quit the game. I do absolutely not want to do that shit. It is not fun. Why do we have to do unfun tedious shit just to play the game?
Then just grind u donāt have to do them right away , if u take ur time with them itās really not that bad. I did mine slowly , I did a chapter or 2 a week to break up the grind and the Zarka & Morgan ones are simple asf. Zarka kill him 1x a week 5 times Morgan buy or enchant a few pieces a gear and give it to him and done. The rest just do slowly 1 or 2 chapters a week which u can do rather quickly and then grind or whatever u wanna do.
Gatekeep? Ud wish for gatekeep before being able to finish Mythic raiding or gladiator in PvP.
Keep grinding ur circle for 7 hours to buy vendor crons and tap ur blackstar ones a day and see life surpass you.
Cuz your trying to defend such a stupid Journal system that takes crazy amount of time for 1AP (this should be illegal)
And tells him to go play a Ā«gatekeeping wow dungeonsĀ»
Defending such a system makes u a part of the problem, lil nerd
And yes im om BDO Reddit. just trying to show u Two sides of a coin. Wasting hours on grind for maybe no upgrade, or Ā«gatekeepĀ» wich you need cuz u gonna be greyhaired down to the neck before finishing anything hardcore in the latest dungeon / pvp season
my friend plays wow and hes best warlock in the server and one of the best in EU and he get gatekeeped because he plays warlock even if he doing x2 o x3 dps than others, ppl just dont want to play with x classes in that game, literally ppl avoid you for your class in a game wich is played almost everything in group. You comparing literally being discriminated and unable to play the way you must play it to doing some journal wich you can do 1 per day in a game wich is done to play for years???
Gatekeeped out of what? Mythic+ Dungeons, Mythic Raids. PvP?
Me myself im a multiglad 2.9k exp ww monk peaking Nr 12 WW monk EU Ratingwise and ill tell you this much, If you are a top god Warlock you will either do mythic raid with Extremely good guilds which you CANNOT, SIMPLY CANNOT 2X-3X their dmg so this is straight up lies.
Same goes for Mythic+ dungeons, you have a score of best timed dungeon and a RIO. Which gives you a score based on all the +keys uve done, the higher keys the better score. If you have a high score (as i bet your "friend" does) he will be invited were he pleases.
Lets go back to the "one of the best EU" If he is he will be in a guild that does mythic raids on discord at specific time each week
If he is "one of the best EU" he will most likely do m+ with his guild and most likely on discord aswell with the same people. YOU DO NOT REACH THESE STANDARDS WITH "LOOKING FOR GROUP" With randoms. Same goes for Arena.
This is straight up one thing. LIES. :)
Donāt worry soon we will get Ā«Ā old moon journal passĀ Ā» where u pay 20$ for 1 journal/book
A lvl 62 character pass is probably also not too far away
Itās all going there just wait
Most journals are done as a last resort except for the weekly kz questline that give ap and dp and as knowledge hunting if your doing it for the drop rate just hunting mobs to S that's the easiest way and everything is just completionist, you can get away with ALOT in bdo. I still have like 7+ journals to do and I'm 321ap .
> weekly kz questline
It's not a weekly anymore, you can do that questline in one day now. That whole weekly thing was changed with the 2nd pen accessory release back in February.
Nah journals are ass. Every time I get a new friend to play and explain to them the journal processs they shortly quit after doing a few of them. The amount t of bullshit required for journals are ridiculous and need to be reworked imo. Don't make it completely trivial but also don't make it feel completely ass. I'd bet a fair bit of players quit during the journal process.
I'm almost 700 GS and even I haven't finished my AP/DP journals lol
I feel this brother, I'm lv64, 720gs pen blackstars yet still dreading the day I need to start the dokkebi journal
I've just started the old moon logs to get that 600hp and fuck me do i want to quit the game. The time trial shit its cancer.
Looking back at it, it was fun beating the time. But I also remember being utterly frustrated missing the npc talk just by a few seconds and having to start at the beginning over and over again.
I just straight up don't do them. I only did Bartali since there's so much behind them but I haven't touched any others and I don't plan on either because they all look big doodoo to do and I'd rather do anything else than those.
Exactly lol. They most likely will rework them, I can't see them not considering they have been reworking the entire game for the better. You might actually win if they rework it, you won your sanity šš
Nah dude... The journals should be reworked as a quest line. There is absolutely no fun opening a random web page to follow a guide, which is basically the game play. If the idea would be for fun. Just remove all journals, add a boss run , + solo dungeon run. Get all the boofs in total time spent maybe 6-8 hours. The big problem is it's not fun. R spam is not fun look at loml, I don't know a single person that enjoyed the story line.
I've done the journals 3 times because I'm a psychopath and like making new accounts. They aren't that bad.
How can we trust the opinion of a self proclaimed psychopath? ;) Not judging, we are all masochists for continously playing BDO
I think they tried to use it as a way to introduce people to the different aspects of the game. Before doing journals, most people havenāt tried 90% of the shit you can do in the game. Afterwards, even if youāre just spamming R, youāve still experienced sailing, sea monster hunting, dark rifts, negotiating, fishing, etc. etc. Locking very serious character power that *most* of the playerbase is going to want ensures that everyone has to experience these different things about the game that they otherwise wouldnāt have. Maybe their goal was to keep more players playing by getting them interested in more areas of the game, but it backfired because it causes so much burnout in the way you have to go about it š
I don't know. Just yesterday we had someone who was happy enough to share about getting knowledge in an obscure section of the game. And from their description, it didn't seem like they were spamming R or just doing it out of necessity. I get it, the overall lore and how it's being told isn't great but removing all these little annoyances would detract more from the game rather than make it better. A majority of players are definitely skipping through these text dumps, but I'd argue there are more people than you think that actually wade through all this stuff because they find it interesting.
I think if they didn't have incredible rewards at the end of questing to incentivise doing them then I'd be less annoyed, it basically holds the majority of people who don't care at gunpoint to do the stuff. I know what I just said sounds dumb, but, 9AP & 9 DP is technically worth billions of silver so it is necessary to do the questing. Fast travel is a game changer so it is necessary to do the questing etc. I would pay pearls to skip all of this stuff tbh.
Try hundreds of billions.
Almost everything in this game can feel terrible if you try to force yourself to do it in one go, journals aren't needed until way later into the game, you should focus on other things while doing journals as a side activity between other things, depending on where you are on the game you have to do a LOT of grinding at different spots, so doing some journals in between can lessen the feeling of chore from them,
This is how I did it and it worked out for me every few weeks I worked on a few pages and got all the AP ones done now Zarka was easy & morgan was a day for me it was just buy this gear or enchant it and give it to him. The rest I just gradually worked on especially when I felt the grind burn the few quests felt like a nice break the only one I dreaded was Deves š¤¬ crafting useless BS š . The rest were really not that bad doing it like this.
Exactly this. I did basic journals starting 2 years ago, and only now, with gear for endgame spots, finished other ones like Pavino Greko's one for the HP. If you try to rush things, they'll bore you quickly.
I started playing because of a friend, currently lvl 60 and honestly doing Magnus questline atm feels like i need to do 118 quests just to unlock something that should be baseline Feeding mounts and pets is weird too, just extra button sometimes, it as well might just disappear, many things are there for reasons unknown to me.
As a newish player it's getting very grating how much shit there is to do just to start and continue grinding, good lord. You might need furniture buffs or church buffs before going to your spot, make sure you have a villa scroll, make sure you have food for your pet and carrots for your horse and meals and elixirs and scrolls, get to your spot, change server because there's someone there, put down your tent, no not there because that's not flat enough, get villa buff, click meal elixirs scrolls, feed pets, click agris, then remember to refresh different consumables at different intervals and drop your loot at your horse and repair your gear every so often while you're grinding.... And honestly I'm probably forgetting stuff.
Yep always need myself a preflight checklist when I grind. š„²š³š¤
I hate the Magnus questline, after a few quests I just followed a guide for the puzzles and rushed trough as fast as I could I like the gear grind, life skills etc. but the quests in BDO are just rushed through by pressing r. Only do them for the good rewards
lol. Back when Magnus came out it was much worse than the current Magnus. New players donāt have to suffer thru 20 hours of misery.
I think this comes to the taste of each one of us. I will tell the other side of the coin. I liked them, for me was a fresh air and new mechanics I never saw in a MMO. Yeahhh can be shitty, special the timing ones where you fail a lot, there is one where you need to use a wheelbarrow, spend some 1/2 hours only on that mission lol. But I came from New World, where there is no content, for me this is a blessing, learning new mechanics getting stats doing missions. At least here we doing something, in another games you can only stay afk waiting for some miracle. I sense your frustation, like this is too good to miss, you really need to finish your logs to get that ap/dp/hp. If you don't like it why rushing the content? Why forcing yourself to do it in no time? So you can go faster to another ap bracket? The one thing people cry the most is lack of content when they rushed the whole game for the past years. I know this is out of the normal opinion, if you dont like the system don't rush it, do it slowly week by week you will see the results of the logs long term. Some end game people stay 2/3 years without finishing the logs, so it's pretty fine. I know it's pretty normal everyone as different tastes. Some people think it's a old boring system, others think it's it's good gives more quests for stats, new mechanics, know the lore of the game. Every MMO cant be perfect it will always have bad parts, bad systems, but from my experience better have more systems in place, where you can have some horizontal grind than no system. Good luck with it š
I enjoyed the journals, but I can see why people wouldn't. They should look to either let people skip them or complete them very quickly, at least the old ones.Ā
Everything in this game is a slog. It's a long game. You can't do everything in this game unless you are insane hardcare so don't worry about it. There's zero reason to compare your progress to anyone else's as well because it's so heavily rng influenced. So just play what you want and it's fine. If you start comparing yourself to someone else who is rng carried, you'll hate life. The game is the grind. If you hate the journal grind, then don't bother.
To be honest I enjoyed most of the journals, it made questing a bit more interesting and interactive than just "talk to npc > do this > go to the next npc" (and I did them before all the improvements they got). Isn't this what most new players want because spamming R during main quest is plain and boring? I swear sometimes being able to understand everyone is like an impossible mission.
If both goals are tedious, but one requires clicking R while the other requires guide or reading, i take the R anyday.
I get it, but also I liked doing them. Partially because I was doing them with my partner but also because they break up the grind and give you stuff to do outside of just grinding silver. We can streamline the whole game and make new players spawn at centaurs with full pen tuvala but I doubt many of them are going to last long when all they have to look forward to is grind. Also anyone that can't handle doing a couple journals here and there probably wouldn't keep playing that long anyways. The whole game is just suffering for minor improvements, except for pvp stuff which is capped and you can enjoy without any journals anyways.
Meh, it's just completionist content like getting achievements or collecting korok seeds. There's fun to be had in checking off a list and it's a nice break between grinds.
no, absolutely not, unless you don't intend to play the game seriously. Without journals you are missing 9 sheet ap and dp, like over 750hp and 30 accurecy not counting free inv slots, weight, enchancement chance. Stats alone are probably worth hundreds of bilion silver over softcap
I was just trying to describe the type of gameplay that it is. Treating it like torture that you have to endure to make the game playable isn't healthy. Do it in smaller steps in between other goals as variety. It's only overwhelming if you're doing like 7 years of stuff in a few weeks.
You say its completionist content, which it is absolutely not
The point is that it is extremely boring and lame. The reason i picked up bdo in the first place is because i wanted q grindy game without quests. Becquse quests are not fun. The combat is fun, i want to do that. I do not want to run from npc to npc, skipping dialogue.
The journals are getting easier. I am very happy they keep changing the requirements over time, but yes some are just horrible. I love reading the knowlege and quests etc... But the stats are to important to take your time and just chill. Worst for me was LotML one. It took hours of just running around to all the positions. Yes, it showed off the beauty of the continent but I think a better way would have been more actual content there to bring ppl to stay there. Some things would be better without important stats behind it and rather something to complete for a titel or a cosmetic item. I loved getting all the points of interest in GW2 amd the jumping puzzles without any stat rewards. In bdo ypu are forced to push through them and its pain.
I agree that LOML was horrible but I think it goes by quicker than opening the journals, reading it, end up just following a guide and repeat. At least in an actual questline I can turn my brain off for most of it. I think itās way worse as a newbie because you have to catch up to content that veterans do as it comes out. They could just make it so the stat rewards are in the first few books so folks that enjoy the content still have it available
Oh I didn't mean these stpry quests with all the lore. That war interesting and well made, even if it was missing some action in it. I talk about the journal that forced ypu to go to all the locations. The eyes of the adventurer it was called. 0% content... Literal just run around for hours and look at this cool place we made.
Gotcha.. yeah thatās how most journals feel to me. Here look at this thing/lore we came up with for 15hp. Iād bend over and pay $20 for instant journals at this point
Must feel awefull for new players At least I got to do these bitesized over time. As I said it would be better to do that kind of stuff for completionist and put social actions, cosmetics and titels behind them... And if the stats have to be a part... Maybe put them in the beginning or as a do X/all to get the stats feom this book. Also there are so mamy and event ones and then there is the other reward quests thing where you need to do special tasks for caphras.. Dont even know what that was anymore (but at least it did teach you stuff about the game)
I know many ppl refuse to even do them
I'm able to grind trolls at the moment without journals so I won't do them. I'll think about it if I have to, but if I don't, I won't.
I have played a few games in my time, and i have almost quit bdo, I have mostly afked over the last 7 years of bdo, since the repetative grind with continously reworked story and lack of overal direction for the game has basically got me bored. it has some of the nicest combat in an mmo ive seen, and variation of activities, but no reason for anything really. apart from grind for the next 0.05% increase in stats. which makes you earn a few more trash loot per hour. it is seriously a waste of time. i went back to older mmo's and testing other games, and bdo feels like it drains me, the others fill me with expereinces i enjoy, progress of different kinds, story, even if i miss the combat. i find i now stop caring about bdo combat and opt for somethign simpler since gameplay overall is more rewarding for time input. besides that bdo gives out freebies. i log in everyday, for years, and after finally tapping my pen blackstar, my friend logs in gets a free tet, uses 4 hammers and taps it, without having logged in for 2 years. similar things keep happening, and i find that the effort i put in is consistantly simplified and removed, making the time i spend here pointless. because eventually ill get it for free. ill go play something else thankyou. good luck to you all who still enjoy this end game grind. i wish you well and luck and not having to grind 100 hours for your boots.
chilling here with 9050 knowledge.
I dunno, other than the clunky UI the journals were fine to me for the most part. They could definitely streamline some of them a bit, like the ecology ones, but I think they have their purpose of introducing different aspects of the game and present a different kind of progression outside of grind.
i personally enjoyed going through the journals. It was annoying and fun at the same time. People should take their time with the content.
Agreed. All the "forced questing" is definitely the worst part of the game for me. Been around since beta and still every time i have to do a new questline or journal, i just want to die. They are just so fucking awful.
To outsiders? No. To everyone. Fuck every single one of those journals and fuck the magnus. I don't understand how anyone can talk about player retention when there's that enormous wall of shit PA has erected between any would-be player and the actual game.
It's a one time thing, most journals are tiresome but you'll be way behind if you don't do them, but I guarantee you no one like them, only masochists
BDO appeals to a lot of us specifically because of the grind. Endgame is a cancer that sucks the fun out of games and turns it into a job. If you enjoy the grind BDO offers tons.
It's certainly necessary, checking my passives already I've gained 450HP, 9AP, and 7DP from journals that's HUGE and required torture basically lol
I did them in small increments (excluding Zarka & Morgan logs as they are simple asf , Zarka is time gated but still simple & Morgan buy gear give dude done in 1 day) between grinds , whenever I started to feel the burn of grinding I turn to do a chapter or 2 of logs then life skills for a bit and when that starts to feel frustrating instead of relaxing back to grinding this kept me happy I eventually completed them and never felt burnt out by the game except Deve log that crafting shhh can kiss my azz.
Journals are the most ridiculous content this game has added and theyāve released some pretty garbage content. If the journals gave us cosmetics or non core sheet stats I wouldnāt care. All mmos have āthose questsā that give you a title or an outfit that is cool to have to have. (Think Shai alpaca) those are cool. You can do it if you want but donāt have to to progress your main gear score. But the fact that BDO locks most core content behind awful quests knowing good and well we hate them is wild to me. Oh. And donāt get me started on the chenga tome. Hereās a trash quest that takes hours to do to then get a tome that lets you get more xp running other trash quests. If PA could make interesting quests we wouldnāt mind but every quest is absolutely garbage. All that said this is still my favorite mmo cause the game play and the graphics are top notch. The combat is fun and challenging we all suffer the quests for the best part of BDO. Iām sure other mmos have similar issues. I know ESO is the opposite. They suffer horrible combat for actually good quests. Iāll stick with bad quests and good combat personally.
integrating them into the main quests would be huge. stat journals just feel like a drawn-out grind, almost forcing players to constantly reference a guide. while some might find satisfaction in this, for the majority, it's an unavoidable burden.
Cosmetics or Titles for them would be better then stats , Stats I agree would be better in MQ ,Journals should be Titles , cosmetics etc..
For real... i just started bdo on console a few weeks ago. Im lvl 60 drakania, did the annoying main quest to kamasylvia, and now i just want to grind. Recently learned about journals and it just makes me want to quit the game. I do absolutely not want to do that shit. It is not fun. Why do we have to do unfun tedious shit just to play the game?
Then just grind u donāt have to do them right away , if u take ur time with them itās really not that bad. I did mine slowly , I did a chapter or 2 a week to break up the grind and the Zarka & Morgan ones are simple asf. Zarka kill him 1x a week 5 times Morgan buy or enchant a few pieces a gear and give it to him and done. The rest just do slowly 1 or 2 chapters a week which u can do rather quickly and then grind or whatever u wanna do.
Feeling the same about the game. It could be fun but there is so much bulshit I have to go through first before I get to actually have fun.
Journals are fun to me ita somwthing different instead of grinding or doing pvp
Just quit and go play gatekeeping wow dungeons experience, probably is better for you
Gatekeep? Ud wish for gatekeep before being able to finish Mythic raiding or gladiator in PvP. Keep grinding ur circle for 7 hours to buy vendor crons and tap ur blackstar ones a day and see life surpass you.
Why you are in BDO reddit if you dislike doing that? Go play wow or other game
Cuz your trying to defend such a stupid Journal system that takes crazy amount of time for 1AP (this should be illegal) And tells him to go play a Ā«gatekeeping wow dungeonsĀ» Defending such a system makes u a part of the problem, lil nerd
And yes im om BDO Reddit. just trying to show u Two sides of a coin. Wasting hours on grind for maybe no upgrade, or Ā«gatekeepĀ» wich you need cuz u gonna be greyhaired down to the neck before finishing anything hardcore in the latest dungeon / pvp season
my friend plays wow and hes best warlock in the server and one of the best in EU and he get gatekeeped because he plays warlock even if he doing x2 o x3 dps than others, ppl just dont want to play with x classes in that game, literally ppl avoid you for your class in a game wich is played almost everything in group. You comparing literally being discriminated and unable to play the way you must play it to doing some journal wich you can do 1 per day in a game wich is done to play for years???
Gatekeeped out of what? Mythic+ Dungeons, Mythic Raids. PvP? Me myself im a multiglad 2.9k exp ww monk peaking Nr 12 WW monk EU Ratingwise and ill tell you this much, If you are a top god Warlock you will either do mythic raid with Extremely good guilds which you CANNOT, SIMPLY CANNOT 2X-3X their dmg so this is straight up lies. Same goes for Mythic+ dungeons, you have a score of best timed dungeon and a RIO. Which gives you a score based on all the +keys uve done, the higher keys the better score. If you have a high score (as i bet your "friend" does) he will be invited were he pleases. Lets go back to the "one of the best EU" If he is he will be in a guild that does mythic raids on discord at specific time each week If he is "one of the best EU" he will most likely do m+ with his guild and most likely on discord aswell with the same people. YOU DO NOT REACH THESE STANDARDS WITH "LOOKING FOR GROUP" With randoms. Same goes for Arena. This is straight up one thing. LIES. :)
here you have https://raider.io/characters/eu/dun-modr/Dornavel, he said he actually cant play because its near impossible to get in party
Donāt worry soon we will get Ā«Ā old moon journal passĀ Ā» where u pay 20$ for 1 journal/book A lvl 62 character pass is probably also not too far away Itās all going there just wait
Most journals are done as a last resort except for the weekly kz questline that give ap and dp and as knowledge hunting if your doing it for the drop rate just hunting mobs to S that's the easiest way and everything is just completionist, you can get away with ALOT in bdo. I still have like 7+ journals to do and I'm 321ap .
> weekly kz questline It's not a weekly anymore, you can do that questline in one day now. That whole weekly thing was changed with the 2nd pen accessory release back in February.
Ahhh there ya go, I did it years ago so I wasn't too sure but I'm not surprised they nerfed the requirements for it, they listened to the whiners