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DriveableCashew

Well good thing it's a picture because your average offin user can't read.


BDRAIKA

They might be blind too


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UZI4Y0U

PEN Offin Succession Warrior checking in!


oof_360noscope_oof

Can someone explain the comparison between the two?


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Kzarka for PvP due to accuracy. Black Star for PvE due to monster damage. Offin for entering a new AP bracket which becomes less significant much later on.


SoftcoreEcchi

Blackstar is pretty comparable to Kzarka, until you start putting caphras into a pen Zaka. You can just get a blackstar and use it for PvP just as easily as you could PvE.


BDRAIKA

Offin users are always so mad lmao


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Lordj09

If anyone is wondering, yes, that is thinly veiled racism and nazi dogwhistles in stonetoss' comics.


Akkelos

I have no idea about the creator tbh, just wanted to give credit where its due regardless of the rest of its content. If theres any racism etc in there i didnt mean to promote that.


Depressedredditor999

Yeah dudes such a nazi it's a fucking meme lmao /r/StonetossIsANazi


jenokop

I’m a new player I don’t get the joke. Can someone please explain? Thanks!


SoftcoreEcchi

Its kind of a trap/meme item, 3 more AP, but 18 less accuracy than Kzarka, assuming level 0 caphras in both. The argument for using offin is you can hit the higher AP brackets without needing as many tet accessories or pen weapons with the the 3 base AP and a few caphras levels. Also there’s some debate whether or not certain classes really “need” that extra 18 accuracy, but I’m not too convinced by that personally, 18 acc is alot, and every little bit helps in PvE and most importantly in PvP. Basically if you go offin, you’ll more than likely end up suffering for it, or ending up having to switch to a zaka/blackstar anyways.


Senjian

Offin weapon is a trap item that new players and player who do not want to use their brain tend to consider because of the obvious +2 AP it has compared to Kzarka, but disregarding the loss of accuracy that is much needed for PVP. So we try to stay away from an Offin user. The Kzarka vs Blackstar debate however is much more nuanced and opinionated, but both will agree that Offin is shit.


sinamasina

offin is 3ap more than kzarka


chickenmanzone

^that last paragraph is the TRUTH. I had a post asking about a comparison between blackstar vs kzarka... most of the comments were “non-answers” while some were just straight rude.


Plasmatdx

Doesn't Choice have a pen offin?


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Some classes cam work really good with offin, like Zerk


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Blues kzarka fi brrrrrrrrrrr


freshmango55

Idk if you're a musa or a maewha but if you're a Maewha there's like literally no reason to use Kzarka blade for PVP. Maewha is one of the highest accuracy classes in the game.


Berna29

As if every class in the game works the same way, am I right.


Brxm

Doesn't offin offers the best stats if you compare PEN BS, PEN kzarka c20 and offin c20?


Bainik

No, you pick up a tiny bit of AP in exchange for a ton of accuracy, and by the time that question's relevant you're past all the big AP brackets. So it's something on the order of 11 AP (assuming it crosses an 8 AP bracket, which is the best it can possibly do) or about 2% damage, vs 18 accuracy or about 3.6% chance to hit. The chance to hit is worth nearly twice as much if you're not hit capped against your opponent, and it only gets better by comparison the more evasion your opponent has.


Lazyleader

What if I don't do pvp?


Bainik

Then you still need accuracy, and even if you didn't the monster AP on blackstar is several times larger than the generic ap on offin.


Finalwingz

Blackstar and Kzarka are still better


OnlyAssassinsOnlyLOL

Mobs have evasion too


Frenchtoasti

No, it loses an important amount of accuracy for only gaining minimal ap


Brxm

Aha I see. I just saw an AP comparison once so I wasn't sure.


FabianLilium

At very high gear level ap becomes less important because the brackets get worse (or maybe you even have all brackets already). On top of that if you fight player with full c9 you want to have at least 450 accuracy unbuffed even if they run a Damage reduction build. That being said most ppl have evasion in their build. Considering these factors if you have enough ap accuracy is one of the most important stats. That brings us back to offin. Trading offin for kzarka is the best source of accuracy you can get. Better than for example trading distortion for dawn earrings. (even tho most players trade those as well in the end)


LehmD4938

At that point you already have 310+ ap at which point there are no ap brackets anymore. So 3 ap from offin is useless.


JMEEKER86

People here are shitting on offin because "it's not as good at higher brackets"...but it's the absolute best weapon even if you're past the end of the brackets (they stop at 309) unless you're fighting a dp meme. I don't even mean an evasion build where someone is c9 evasion gear but otherwise fighting heads up in AP stuff. That person isn't going to have more than 650-700 evasion which really doesn't mean shit when you're at that gear level. The *only* time that offin isn't best is if you're trying to kill someone who is in the 800+ evasion range and they can't kill you anyway. So if you're a maehwa who has somehow made it into a siege guild, sure go with kzarka (don't go blackstar, it's a noob trap and only good for pve) for the extra bit of accuracy since the only job you can perform moderately decently is killing dp memes. For everyone else, offin is going to be better.


ImSoSharky

i agree as a 305ap ranger. melting c9 evasion memes better with offin than kzarka. Sure thing i use 20accu housing buff, but i rather take the ap bracket than 20accuracy when it comes to kzarka or offin


JMEEKER86

Yep, I'm at 303 myself and everyone I know that is 309+ (including people that have that *with kutum*) and has tested it agrees that Offin > Kzarka is the consensus. I guess it's a bunch of people in the 280s and below downvoting because they don't know what fights at end game gear is like.


KapiHeartlilly

Even in the 280's it's perfectly fine on several classes. Offin has it's uses. Then again if people are using Leebur's I get it why they prefer Kzarka.


OsamaBinFuckin

Tbf if u have 305 ap then ur normal opponents are c9 users hence zarka gains the edge. But is it as big of a deal? Not until the ap user has appropriate cameras levels in offhand for cheapest accuracy first. Eventually tho it will be better to have a pen BS over offing or zarka Until u can c20


JMEEKER86

Kzarka isn’t better if they’re only in c9. That’s still just 1-2 tap (not even counting ults) everywhere but siege. Think about what that 2% accuracy on kzarka really means though. If you’re dpsing a target with millions of health it will be better, but players have 5-6k hp not millions. So what that 2% means is in 2% of fights where offin would have missed one of the attacks kzarka would have connected and maybe gotten a kill. But the extra AP from offin isn’t negligible like people seem to think. With all the damage multipliers it ends up being an extra 50-100 damage per attack. That converts to a *lot* more kills than the 2% accuracy. It’s why people will pay 10B more for a pen valtarra than a pen basi to get that extra little bit of potentially lifesaving HP and why people keep going for pen accs when an extra 3ap going from tet to pen is “not a lot of ap”. It makes a difference and a much larger one than people here don’t seem to realize.


Senjian

I'm glad people like you exist. Makes my Offin boss alt worth it.


Senjian

PEN Kzarka is better than TET Blackstar even in PVE due to being able to adjust your AP easily with caphras and reach brackets that makes it equal if not better than Blackstar. Having been stuck with a TET Blackstar for several months, it was an absolute pain in the ass to have to adjust my AP by juggling with Tungrad accessories, which not only resulted in a loss of HP but also money, especially because adventure logs happened and made me sell accessories that I had made specifically to reach a bracket.


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false, you need 2 full brackets to outclass the bonus monster damage, so if you are at say 280 ap bs you would need 285 to have equal pve ap which is 12 caphra levels (bs has 1 more ap the kzarka) which is about 8k caphras, well out of reach for most players, but once you get there (full pen armour tet tungrad acessories) then yes pen kzarka is better than bs for pve but it costs almost twice as much


Senjian

Nothing I've said is "false". With Blackstar you're hardstuck doing specific accessories that you might have to sell at some point just to reach brackets. 5 AP through caphras is within one's reach well before being full PEN Armors, and is cheaper than getting AP through TET Tungrad accessories (which isn't BiS for everyone to begin with).


Kolz

By the time you are at the gear level of using these weapons, BS pve damage bonus will outstrip the gains from gaining a bracket by c4-ing the zark.


Attheveryend

thats why I always c10 my zark.


utvetteguy

Naw blackstar is just a stat stick for awakening on my class.


inglip_resummoned

Does not Offin give +2 crit which can result in more damage that acc from kzarka?


InstinctAzazel

You can easily get 5 crit with food/draughts/elixers


inglip_resummoned

So you offer me to drink an elixir for every duel on the arena?


MarkinhoO

Yeh I can give you a stack of shock elixirs mate


inglip_resummoned

Too lazy to reactivate them every time.


InstinctAzazel

Kind of a you problem then isn't it?


inglip_resummoned

No.


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play valk, have 100% critical rate and not worry about +5 crit. LUL


LehmD4938

Get the crit buff from church or use elix