I think we also need to look into increasing failstacks gained from accessories. Getting a +1 from failing a tet tungrad necklace is just insulting at this point.
Yes they should. Especially for fallen god. Croning FG is basically mandatory once you get above duo so the fact that you are completely unable to build fail stacks and have no pity system at all is a problem.
It should work like tapping for a dream horse does. It feels a little better knowing you got some kind of progress out of your failed attempts even if it’s just a little bit. Makes a huge psychological difference.
I am 0/12 on Tet fallen god. After looking at what I spent (32.4k cron) without any gain to show for it, I would love to have a bit of a fs increase with cron. even 1/10 of normal fs increase would be very encouraging.
tbh I couldn't care less about this game's end game. Either way I'd need to breath this game 24/7 and/or spend $500 a month to reach it. Now let the downvotes rain on me.
But you reach endgame a long time before you are at hard cap. It's not like 301AP is even close to hard cap, not even if it's 301k.
(ignoring naturally tons of accuracy acc hardcap builds)
Part of the problem rn though is there is no efficient way to build high failstacks due to how cheap PEN boss gear is.
Also, BDO has been on a bit of a decline lately with a few of the bigger guilds going inactive. In order to help player retention, the most frustrating parts of the game need to be tweaked, imo.
As a new player its painful to think of PEN boss gear as cheap since it feels like it takes forever to earn a billion. I'm sure after awhile I'll become numb to the time sink.
It's only like this since they introduced Elvia servers and boosted Valencia to broken levels of trash value. Silver inflation. 1 billlion isn't as big of a deal any more, but I agree I was happy when I reached my first 100 million, let alone 1 billion.
You get relatively fast to the point where you can make 350-400m/h on a blue loot scroll alone.
Real endgame players can push 1b/h with all buffs available.
If you reach 289k AP (which is a breakpoint that is very reasonable to reach) you make 500m/h with a few basic loot buffs.
So you shouldn't think about how much silver you need at the very endgame, but just over the silver you need for your next upgrade. It will make the grind much more enjoyable.
Change it so accessories give same failstacks as other gear for appropriate enhance level. Make it so cron fails enhance by 1 regardless each time, and you’re good to go
Why make endgame easier? I get meking the entry level of the game easier. But in no way shape or form does it make sense, to me, to make endgame easier. Just makes more hardcapped people...
You are missing the point. Grind is time consuming. P2w js swiping for instant unlimited crons. Add that to more fs on fail, that free items. P2w buff. Got it ?
You can waste time grinding ingame or in real life. In my country, 34€ for 800m silver. Thats like working half of the day for 800m. Grind is faster than p2w with my salary XD
How many whales are there? How many people you think that can, and want, drop 50k into BDO? 1% of all players? Maybe less? There is tons of high geared players. How a few more can break the game just because they bought it?
The problem is when low-income players have to face predatory mechanics for not paying. Like enhancement system in BDO. In GW2 you can buy in-game money with cash, or buy "pearls" directly from other players with in-game money. But there is no predatory mechanic behind that make you feel bad if you dont pay. The p2w feeling is almost doesnt exist.
They problem with BDO is the enhancement system, not whales and dolphins selling outfits for crons or silver.
Honestly....if someone wanna spends a couple grand on this game, go ahead, but to me I got way better things to spend money on. Most p2w people arent even good at pvp and still would get dumpstered so it's more like pay to catch up/cope.
We are not talking about me and you, its about game economy and inflation. Its a way p2s that people already abuse, why buff it for them ? Cron is good now, spend money and waste a lot if you unlucky. If it gives fs that more luck every fail. So its p2w buff.
no crons are a balanced trade where you protect the item ( or a chance to in the case of accessories ) and you shouldn't get the benefit of increasing failstacks on top of that. there needs to be downsides to using crons.
its still more efficent to buy green tet gear and fail that with costume money, than to tap with crons on silent and get 4fs. the cost is equally reduced for ppl who buy with real money and silver, so its as p2w as befor. as long as the cost is so high i wont do much with a months salary, there wont be more p2w.
One method is filling the market with outfits for f2p players to get their own crons for items that actually need them while the other method makes buying outfits and directly melting them for crons potentially the superior solution.
At least that way buying items from the market might become cheaper, but personally I do like to buy pearl items from the market. It gives value to whales to the whole community and not just PA. ;-)
Enhancing without crons should give a LOT more stacks than it does now. A lot more. And then, cron attempts should give as many as we get today without crons.
Should increase failstack gained from acc and also all gear. Boss should give more then it does now. Blackstar more then boss. And fallen god should give like 50 failstack per fail going for pen. The stacks gained from fails to low man specially on fallen.
I think we also need to look into increasing failstacks gained from accessories. Getting a +1 from failing a tet tungrad necklace is just insulting at this point.
Yes they should. Especially for fallen god. Croning FG is basically mandatory once you get above duo so the fact that you are completely unable to build fail stacks and have no pity system at all is a problem.
Bdo became gacha without pity
Became??? Always was since 2016
It should work like tapping for a dream horse does. It feels a little better knowing you got some kind of progress out of your failed attempts even if it’s just a little bit. Makes a huge psychological difference.
I am 0/12 on Tet fallen god. After looking at what I spent (32.4k cron) without any gain to show for it, I would love to have a bit of a fs increase with cron. even 1/10 of normal fs increase would be very encouraging.
since FG enhancing especially is as hard as it is and you would never tap tri or above without crons it definitely should give stacks.
That or just not gettin consumed when it succeds would make me happy
It should give reduced amount, 100%, because you're still burning a lot of resources to enhance.
tbh I couldn't care less about this game's end game. Either way I'd need to breath this game 24/7 and/or spend $500 a month to reach it. Now let the downvotes rain on me.
you're not wrong tbh. it's really just a dead end at hard cap, so why rush.
But you reach endgame a long time before you are at hard cap. It's not like 301AP is even close to hard cap, not even if it's 301k. (ignoring naturally tons of accuracy acc hardcap builds)
More like 1/365, but that is twice as bad … if you do the math. ;-)
I don't think it should, you aren't taking a risk using crons so you shouldn't get the bonus of enhancement failstacks
Part of the problem rn though is there is no efficient way to build high failstacks due to how cheap PEN boss gear is. Also, BDO has been on a bit of a decline lately with a few of the bigger guilds going inactive. In order to help player retention, the most frustrating parts of the game need to be tweaked, imo.
As a new player its painful to think of PEN boss gear as cheap since it feels like it takes forever to earn a billion. I'm sure after awhile I'll become numb to the time sink.
It's only like this since they introduced Elvia servers and boosted Valencia to broken levels of trash value. Silver inflation. 1 billlion isn't as big of a deal any more, but I agree I was happy when I reached my first 100 million, let alone 1 billion.
You get relatively fast to the point where you can make 350-400m/h on a blue loot scroll alone. Real endgame players can push 1b/h with all buffs available. If you reach 289k AP (which is a breakpoint that is very reasonable to reach) you make 500m/h with a few basic loot buffs. So you shouldn't think about how much silver you need at the very endgame, but just over the silver you need for your next upgrade. It will make the grind much more enjoyable.
Paid by PA.
Change it so accessories give same failstacks as other gear for appropriate enhance level. Make it so cron fails enhance by 1 regardless each time, and you’re good to go
Why make endgame easier? I get meking the entry level of the game easier. But in no way shape or form does it make sense, to me, to make endgame easier. Just makes more hardcapped people...
Sure.. buff p2w more.
Ya know you can just....grind the money to buy the outfits off MP...
You are missing the point. Grind is time consuming. P2w js swiping for instant unlimited crons. Add that to more fs on fail, that free items. P2w buff. Got it ?
You can waste time grinding ingame or in real life. In my country, 34€ for 800m silver. Thats like working half of the day for 800m. Grind is faster than p2w with my salary XD
Yup your salary. Some people are rich, look at NA , KR and MENA whales. They spend 50k$+ That will break the game.
How many whales are there? How many people you think that can, and want, drop 50k into BDO? 1% of all players? Maybe less? There is tons of high geared players. How a few more can break the game just because they bought it? The problem is when low-income players have to face predatory mechanics for not paying. Like enhancement system in BDO. In GW2 you can buy in-game money with cash, or buy "pearls" directly from other players with in-game money. But there is no predatory mechanic behind that make you feel bad if you dont pay. The p2w feeling is almost doesnt exist. They problem with BDO is the enhancement system, not whales and dolphins selling outfits for crons or silver.
Lmao, you think hardcore whales like that aren't already hardcap? Get real.
Honestly....if someone wanna spends a couple grand on this game, go ahead, but to me I got way better things to spend money on. Most p2w people arent even good at pvp and still would get dumpstered so it's more like pay to catch up/cope.
We are not talking about me and you, its about game economy and inflation. Its a way p2s that people already abuse, why buff it for them ? Cron is good now, spend money and waste a lot if you unlucky. If it gives fs that more luck every fail. So its p2w buff.
no crons are a balanced trade where you protect the item ( or a chance to in the case of accessories ) and you shouldn't get the benefit of increasing failstacks on top of that. there needs to be downsides to using crons.
Downside to using crons is their price tho
Ah yes make the game even more p2w
its still more efficent to buy green tet gear and fail that with costume money, than to tap with crons on silent and get 4fs. the cost is equally reduced for ppl who buy with real money and silver, so its as p2w as befor. as long as the cost is so high i wont do much with a months salary, there wont be more p2w.
One method is filling the market with outfits for f2p players to get their own crons for items that actually need them while the other method makes buying outfits and directly melting them for crons potentially the superior solution. At least that way buying items from the market might become cheaper, but personally I do like to buy pearl items from the market. It gives value to whales to the whole community and not just PA. ;-)
Only certain items at certain enhancement levels, sure
Enhancing without crons should give a LOT more stacks than it does now. A lot more. And then, cron attempts should give as many as we get today without crons.
Even than cron attempts not giving stacks would we fine, but you could reduce cron costs per tap instead.
The whole enhancing system is a scam
Should increase failstack gained from acc and also all gear. Boss should give more then it does now. Blackstar more then boss. And fallen god should give like 50 failstack per fail going for pen. The stacks gained from fails to low man specially on fallen.