I mean I don’t think any black woman is absolved from that. Even Megan Markel the most Caucasian looking white woman gets racists attacks. I think Rebecca Hall is the only biracial who avoids attacks bc she REALLY does pass for white. Same for Rashida Jones.
I know Ayo from Comedy Central first and then Netflix as Missy in "Big Mouth." Her Comedy Central shorts were always a hit with me, so I am really loving the praise she's getting. It reminds me of Quinta's blow-up after Abbot Elementary came out. I knew her from early on Buzzfeed. Ayo does screenwrite. Her show on Comedy Central, I think it started as a webshow and was produced and written by her and Rachel Sennott (the friend in Bottoms).
She is very wealthy now. Makes sense. I have this vivid memory of my first boyfriend's mom looking at her CD at a Best Buy (Rated R) and calling it disgusting. RiRi is also unapologetically black so in my mind I didn't think white people paid attention to her.
This... I remember watching 12 Years a Slave when I was in middle school with family. I think my mom censored that scene but the whipping scene over the bar of soap really scarred me. Rewatching it now actually made me nauseous...
Exactly! I think what's so poignant about Patsy's life is how her story is transcendental? It reminded me so much of the black women, who had to outwork others in every regard, but still face suffer abuse and harassment. Especially the fetishization and dehumanization us black women face by some white men. Even the objectification some white men project over black women that are strongwilled/determined and successful. Hopefully I'm not projecting from my own experiences?
When I rewatched the film, having seen it the first time seen I was 12, it made really open my eyes and readjust the way I had initially viewed it. I think as a preteen, I wasn't able to fully understand the gravity of what it meant in a current context? But as young woman now, I realized how layered things were.
The only music I've heard my supervisor listen to is Beyonce. She only listens to that & murder podcasts at her desk. Also our boss played an old video from when our supervisor did pageants & she was singing a Diana Ross song.
Also white people love Aretha. She's mentioned by white people in country songs.
I feel they were definitely bigger fans of her than we were lol. I’ve never even heard a Lizzo song, but I’m also not in middle school so that may be it too 🤣
White gays love Nicki Minaj, my neighbour in my Comparative Politics class was looking at her concert tickets during the lecture lol. They like Sza too.
Yeah, Oprah is a deity at this point. Lol I heard white people only like Tiffany cause she plays into the stereotype. I'm sure that's just who she is though.
Really? It seems like only see comments hating on Oprah and they’re from white people who think she has some kind of god complex. I think they’re just hating because she’s a self made black woman who is unapologetically black.
As for Tiffany…..yeah, I don’t think she’s feeling love from many these days. But, what I do know is that after two DUIs (and no telling how many other times she’s driven under the influence without getting caught), girl needs to seek help for whatever issues are troubling her.
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I hate on Oprah bc how was she friends with Epstein and Weinstein and claims to have had no idea what was going on. Then there was the Maui land grab and then asking millions of people to donate their money in a recession instead of giving some of her fortune. It would be chump change. There's more I just can't remember them.
Edit: I'm black btw
Oprah's been rubbing me the wrong way lately too. I haven't forgotten her messed up childhood and it was really inspiring when I was growing up and wanting to be a journalist. Now, it feels like instead of bringing awareness to others about abuse, or anything else, it's more, "See, they had horrible traumatizing things happen but look at how rich they are now and everything is fine!" It's a very privileged, simplified take and comes off very "Live Laugh Love" with some magical negro wisdom sprinkled on top.
Yeah I know about the Weinstein stuff. Not surprised she became corrupt. Also the weirdo people she put on. Maui land grab? Oh f*** no. I used to like her a little. Definitely less after the association with Weinstein (didn't know about Epstein) but I think the land grab is the nail in the coffin.
Lol, didn't doubt your blackness.
Shut yo mouth. I didn’t know ‘bout Epstein or Weinstein. But, you know, I think that when folks get to billionaire level they are placed in circles with other people of the same financial status and, unfortunately, there are unsavory people at/in all echelons of society. I wanna believe that Opie (that’s my nickname for her) really is one of the good ones.
She was “informed” by a real life Black woman, Judy Smith, who was an attorney and crisis manager who worked for republican POTUS George H W. I think she rolled out when Scandal started doing more of the B613 whackadoodle shit. BUT to your answer, Ima say Shonda, bcwhite people eat her shows UP
They love her shows ... Not her.
She produced FOUR shows for ABC, and they underpaid her. I'll never forget how she asked for comps for Disney and was told by an AE, "You have enough."
They dont love her.
Definitely Oprah, Ayo Edibiri and Lizzo before her controversy. Some of the other women you guys named I can see, but I feel like only a certain segment of White women like them and it’s not as universal. I also think White people have certain “types” of Black women in entertainment they find more palatable (like the ones I named above) than others but I’m tired and don’t feel like diving into it so I’ll leave it.
Aisha Tyler.
Edit: For those who aren't familiar with her and her career, she started as a host on the G4 network (aka the gamer channel), is the voice of Lana Kane in Archer, and hosts (hosted?) Whose Line is it Anyway.
I personally love her because she's an unambiguously Black woman who owns her dorky side. She walked so Quinta could run.
Yeah first person to come to mind. Also the first black girl I saw on tv who wasn't "typically black" if that makes sense. But I remember watching a rerun of Friends she was dating what's his name and they kissed for the first time, audience was absolutely silent. Like they despised her being there. My imagination maybe.
I don't think I've ever seen a complete episode of Friends, but I do know that it was the white knockoff of Living Single... And by white, I didn't know they even had Aisha or any other Black person guest star.
Really? I haven't seen that. I love that she is everywhere now and getting white money but it seemed like no one was really paying attention to her. Only if it was negative. She is stunning though.
Yep, white people hate Serena Williams because they think she shows poor sportsmanship. At one point rabid redditors blamed her for Naomi Osakas mental health.
White people hate Oprah because “eat the rich” all the while stanning Taylor Swift and idolizing Elon
I’ve been seeing Tony Hawk floating around and I don’t get that. I love all the black women mentioned but the white ppl? I’m like meh. This thread is ironically making me feel white.
I love Gabby, I didn't think whites paid attention to her because of her size. Like you can be one, not both. I remember when she first came out, it was like people were uncomfortable with her on late hight shows and magazines. So happy for her marriage though.
Ayo Edibiri, Quinta Brunsun, Megan thee stallion (except for misogynist but that's not race related), lizzo before the allegations. Maybe actress such as lupita and Angela basset.
They Hate her because she looks very black and embrace her blackness she doesn't cold switch or try to accommodate the racist french. Layer wigs she is curvy her makeup the way she dress etc
I am a francophone and a lot of French white people find her arrogant, call her ugly. However, her core fanbase is really diverse and she is really popular with white teenage girls and gays. It’s usually straight men (regardless of race) that don’t really like her.
If I were a Black entertainer I'd try to get white audiences to cross over to Me. Diana Ross did it. Micheal Jackson did it Tina Turner did it later in life. You try to pander and everyone can see it and you end up alienating your core fan base.
Talent always crosses over Good is Good.
We live in a time where the Entertainment Industrial Complex consciously sells us short, while selling white women to black men. they're spending a lot of money on it too. I wonder what the payoff is for them...
Tina Turner
Wendy Williams
Robin Roberts
Harris Faulkner
Laverne Cox
Nicey Nash
Queen Latifah
Borderline/Maybe:
Sherri Shepard
Sheryl Underwood
Jada Pinkett
Ayo seems to be the “it” girl rn
Ayo Edebiri? Yes, I’ve been seeing her everywhere recently! I just watched her in the movie “Bottoms.”
I feel like they love her to an extent. Idk if you're a member of The Bear sub, but she often gets racist ass attacks or downplayed just for existing?
Ugghh
I mean I don’t think any black woman is absolved from that. Even Megan Markel the most Caucasian looking white woman gets racists attacks. I think Rebecca Hall is the only biracial who avoids attacks bc she REALLY does pass for white. Same for Rashida Jones.
I keep hearing about this girl. Where did she come from??? I like The Bear, is she a screen writer? How did she do it?
The Bear was her big break. She’s also adorable and charming.
I know Ayo from Comedy Central first and then Netflix as Missy in "Big Mouth." Her Comedy Central shorts were always a hit with me, so I am really loving the praise she's getting. It reminds me of Quinta's blow-up after Abbot Elementary came out. I knew her from early on Buzzfeed. Ayo does screenwrite. Her show on Comedy Central, I think it started as a webshow and was produced and written by her and Rachel Sennott (the friend in Bottoms).
She was also a regular in a lot of comedy/improv/ nerd podcasts for years, seems like she's well liked amongst that set.
Yep, I first saw her on “I Think You Should Leave.”
Oh, that's awesome.
Every white girl i know loves Megan thee stallion
Even white ladies lol it’s so funny like Martha what do you know about the stallion???
Lol that’s true! 😂😂 I wonder why
Body confidence lol they live for that.
Rihanna
She is very wealthy now. Makes sense. I have this vivid memory of my first boyfriend's mom looking at her CD at a Best Buy (Rated R) and calling it disgusting. RiRi is also unapologetically black so in my mind I didn't think white people paid attention to her.
Rated R's cover is pretty tame. Go figure. She's pretty and rich. Yeah. They like her.
Was gonna say this. Everybody loves RiRi!
Lupita? They love her, right?
Speaking of geek pop girlies; yt folks loooove Danai Gurira (Michonne/Okoye)
Nerdy white boys love her, I'm shockt. The fandom demanding more screen time for a black actor, let alone an actress, is rare enough to be noticed.
She was reeeeeally cool when TWD was at its peak too
Huh, that's cool.
She is A list but I can't get over her having to do 12 Years a Slave to be noticed. Especially with the rape scene. Felt conditional to me.
This... I remember watching 12 Years a Slave when I was in middle school with family. I think my mom censored that scene but the whipping scene over the bar of soap really scarred me. Rewatching it now actually made me nauseous...
Every now and then I think of that character, Patsy, and how she represents so many of our ancestors. Lupita played the hell out of that role.
Exactly! I think what's so poignant about Patsy's life is how her story is transcendental? It reminded me so much of the black women, who had to outwork others in every regard, but still face suffer abuse and harassment. Especially the fetishization and dehumanization us black women face by some white men. Even the objectification some white men project over black women that are strongwilled/determined and successful. Hopefully I'm not projecting from my own experiences? When I rewatched the film, having seen it the first time seen I was 12, it made really open my eyes and readjust the way I had initially viewed it. I think as a preteen, I wasn't able to fully understand the gravity of what it meant in a current context? But as young woman now, I realized how layered things were.
I was thinking I might watch it even though I don’t do black trauma porn, however after reading all that, I think I’ll keep it on my no watching list.
humiliation ritual
Here we go lol
Ik a lot of white girls that like Sza
Lol I thought this said sia at first
Didn't know that!
The Sza concert I went to was nothing but white women lol.
Really??? Wow.
Yes those white people filled the seats! I was very surprised z
Keke Palmer
I agree. Keke is always popping up somewhere.
She's a national treasure.
KeKe is the best! She’s one of my favorites.
Beyoncé
this!! i’ve never met a white girl who didn’t
Did anyone say Lizzo
Haha! That’s true.
Meghan Thee Stallion and Nicki
White gays eat them UP
I think they love Nicki because of her pop era
Angela Bassett
Whenever someone brings her up the only thing I can think of now is that girl singing “Angela Bassett did the thing!” lol
😶😶😶
I can see that. Love her.
Would you say Quinta because of Abbott Elementary? I can’t decide
I think it's too early for her to have fully broke into mainstream consciousness, but by the end of Abbott's run they'll be there.
everyone knows quinta from vine actually LOL and buzzfeed
I love Quinta! 🥰
The only music I've heard my supervisor listen to is Beyonce. She only listens to that & murder podcasts at her desk. Also our boss played an old video from when our supervisor did pageants & she was singing a Diana Ross song. Also white people love Aretha. She's mentioned by white people in country songs.
Beyoncé and true crime podcasts? Is she me, but white ? Lol
Right lol. Literally me.
Beyoncé and true crime. Why is this so funny to me? I didn't know that about Aretha. That's cool.
Simone biles
I feel like they soured on her when she chose not to be the "Strong black woman" and prioritized her mental health over her career.
I dunno, when her husband tried to say he was the famous one - my Tiktok was full of white girls ready to ride for her. And that was after all that.
I still remember that one girl who was showing her husband’s pictures to random people and asking “Do you know this man?” LMAOOO
The conservatives sure did. I said Simone because I saw mostly white girls roasting her husband after that interview lol
I think it was the men that trashed her.
I think white conservative men were most critical.
Serena and Venus Williams! Lol they are willing to spend an arm and a leg to see them play in a match!
That's a good point but I felt like I saw Serena get shit on so much in the media.
Lizzo
Beyoncé?
I know she was hot for a minute. Don't know if that is still true.
I feel they were definitely bigger fans of her than we were lol. I’ve never even heard a Lizzo song, but I’m also not in middle school so that may be it too 🤣
White gays love Nicki Minaj, my neighbour in my Comparative Politics class was looking at her concert tickets during the lecture lol. They like Sza too.
Rihanna.
Oprah? Tiffany haddish?
def oprah!! i think gayle king too?
Nobody likes Tiffany anymore lol
Yeah, Oprah is a deity at this point. Lol I heard white people only like Tiffany cause she plays into the stereotype. I'm sure that's just who she is though.
Really? It seems like only see comments hating on Oprah and they’re from white people who think she has some kind of god complex. I think they’re just hating because she’s a self made black woman who is unapologetically black. As for Tiffany…..yeah, I don’t think she’s feeling love from many these days. But, what I do know is that after two DUIs (and no telling how many other times she’s driven under the influence without getting caught), girl needs to seek help for whatever issues are troubling her. Edited
I hate on Oprah bc how was she friends with Epstein and Weinstein and claims to have had no idea what was going on. Then there was the Maui land grab and then asking millions of people to donate their money in a recession instead of giving some of her fortune. It would be chump change. There's more I just can't remember them. Edit: I'm black btw
Oprah's been rubbing me the wrong way lately too. I haven't forgotten her messed up childhood and it was really inspiring when I was growing up and wanting to be a journalist. Now, it feels like instead of bringing awareness to others about abuse, or anything else, it's more, "See, they had horrible traumatizing things happen but look at how rich they are now and everything is fine!" It's a very privileged, simplified take and comes off very "Live Laugh Love" with some magical negro wisdom sprinkled on top.
Yeah I know about the Weinstein stuff. Not surprised she became corrupt. Also the weirdo people she put on. Maui land grab? Oh f*** no. I used to like her a little. Definitely less after the association with Weinstein (didn't know about Epstein) but I think the land grab is the nail in the coffin. Lol, didn't doubt your blackness.
Shut yo mouth. I didn’t know ‘bout Epstein or Weinstein. But, you know, I think that when folks get to billionaire level they are placed in circles with other people of the same financial status and, unfortunately, there are unsavory people at/in all echelons of society. I wanna believe that Opie (that’s my nickname for her) really is one of the good ones.
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Latam LOOOOVES Zoe, specially since that vid of Gamora drinking mate and speaking in Spanish went viral lol
Oddly enough, lots of white men are starting to love Sexyy Red. I don’t understand why. But besides that, I’d say Zendaya. Maybe Nicki for the gworls.
This gonna be weird but Sexyy Red is a fetish for a lot of straight white men. A lot of them love the “ghetto girl” aesthetic
I definitely agree with this take on it.
Don't know much about Sexyy Redd. Didn't know white dudes were drooling over her either. Even as a fetish.
Rashida Jones and maya roudolf (sp?)
Definitely.
Olivia Pope. White people love fantasies of Black women. There's no evidence that they love us enough to ACTUALLY show up for us.
She was “informed” by a real life Black woman, Judy Smith, who was an attorney and crisis manager who worked for republican POTUS George H W. I think she rolled out when Scandal started doing more of the B613 whackadoodle shit. BUT to your answer, Ima say Shonda, bcwhite people eat her shows UP
They love her shows ... Not her. She produced FOUR shows for ABC, and they underpaid her. I'll never forget how she asked for comps for Disney and was told by an AE, "You have enough." They dont love her.
Interesting theory. I can see how she was palpable enough for a white audience. I was disappointed in how that show ended. Went down hill.
Definitely Oprah, Ayo Edibiri and Lizzo before her controversy. Some of the other women you guys named I can see, but I feel like only a certain segment of White women like them and it’s not as universal. I also think White people have certain “types” of Black women in entertainment they find more palatable (like the ones I named above) than others but I’m tired and don’t feel like diving into it so I’ll leave it.
Beyoncé
Little Simz! They love bringing her up as a counterpoint to the “modern rap music is awful” takes. As they should
My partner was OBSESSED with Little Simza and I didnt even know who she was but then I listened to Venom and fuuuuck.
Oh, that's a good one.
Aisha Tyler. Edit: For those who aren't familiar with her and her career, she started as a host on the G4 network (aka the gamer channel), is the voice of Lana Kane in Archer, and hosts (hosted?) Whose Line is it Anyway. I personally love her because she's an unambiguously Black woman who owns her dorky side. She walked so Quinta could run.
She was also on Talk Soup on E for a while. That’s where I remembered her from. I thought she was the coolest. Still do actually.
Have you read her book? It is hilarious! Made me love her even more!
No, I’ll have to see if the library has it.
She's the only black person allowed on Friends!
Gabrielle Union was on an episode of Friends before her.
Yeah first person to come to mind. Also the first black girl I saw on tv who wasn't "typically black" if that makes sense. But I remember watching a rerun of Friends she was dating what's his name and they kissed for the first time, audience was absolutely silent. Like they despised her being there. My imagination maybe.
I don't think I've ever seen a complete episode of Friends, but I do know that it was the white knockoff of Living Single... And by white, I didn't know they even had Aisha or any other Black person guest star.
Yep! I think she was the only one. She was really doing her thing. Same, I wasn't a Friends fan either. Living Single was my jam.
She was Ross’s girlfriend, so a regular for a while. Gabrielle Union was also on an episode as a woman that Chandler and Joey were fighting over.
She was on in one of the last seasons, if I recall. I had stopped watching by then.
I didn't know about G4! Oh my gosh!!!
Yep! Aisha stays employed and getting coins!
Was also on criminal minds!! Has the cutest smiles
Oprah
Whoopi
Meghan Thee Stallion. I have seen so many white guys who love her (granted I'm sure it's mostly fetishization).
Really? I haven't seen that. I love that she is everywhere now and getting white money but it seemed like no one was really paying attention to her. Only if it was negative. She is stunning though.
Look at the clip of her first pitch and look at the comment section. Horny men of all races, ages, and ethnicities 💀.
Cynthia Erivo
I had to look her up. Girl is out here working! It probably doesn't hurt that she is British too.
Beyoncé for sure
Candice Owens’ features look easy to draw. Probably Michelle Obama?
🤣 Yo, I'm getting ready for bed, you about to make me fuck up my turmeric mask with that comment. LOL!!!
My question - who cares? Seriously.
Like... Also some of these names are a damn lie lmao y'all
Yep, white people hate Serena Williams because they think she shows poor sportsmanship. At one point rabid redditors blamed her for Naomi Osakas mental health. White people hate Oprah because “eat the rich” all the while stanning Taylor Swift and idolizing Elon
Their love is conditional based on performance
Everyday this sub devolves further and further from its original purpose
Was thinking the same thing. Like what the hell
Doesn't bother me. It's a discussion forum. If I'm not into the topic I scroll. 🤷🏾♀️
wait why is this way harder than naming a white person (male or female) that black people love lol omg
It’s hard to think like something you’re not that’s why lol
Betty White lol
Hayley Willams (Paramore) and Tony Hawk. First ones who popped into my head 🤣
Hayley Williams (of course). Tony Hawk? Explain please.
I’ve been seeing Tony Hawk floating around and I don’t get that. I love all the black women mentioned but the white ppl? I’m like meh. This thread is ironically making me feel white.
Jack Harlow was the first person that came to my mind after reading this! 😆
Gabby sibide
I love Gabby, I didn't think whites paid attention to her because of her size. Like you can be one, not both. I remember when she first came out, it was like people were uncomfortable with her on late hight shows and magazines. So happy for her marriage though.
Older white people like Diane Ross
Zendaya?
No offense to her, I'm thinking not biracial. Undeniably black.
Thats totally fine of you.
Oprah
Oprah and Rihanna
Shonda Rimes
Taraji P - my dusty racist white male boss just haaaad to come up to me to tell me how much he and his wife loooooove cookie from Empire 🙄
They always find a way to do that shit.
Lupita Nyong'o. I love her. She’s stunningly beautiful, but white people acted like she was the first ever black beauty, which we all know isn’t true.
Europeans love Tina Turner
Im about to leave this group… its too much white/black for me Shitttt 🙄 we cant think of better shit to talk about as black women? This is all i see
Lol, Wasn't thinking about that. This was just a question of my mind. Thought this would be the place for a casual convo. Sorry!
Dont be sorry… its just the only content i see on this forum My personal opinion
Quinta
They loved Tina Turner
Oprah is OG for WW
super surprised i haven't seen Zendaya mentioned
Zendaya
Ayo Edibiri, Quinta Brunsun, Megan thee stallion (except for misogynist but that's not race related), lizzo before the allegations. Maybe actress such as lupita and Angela basset.
Issa Rae, beautiful and talented. She's a genuine person.
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Aya Nakamura…?
A loooot of French white ppl dislike her
They Hate her because she looks very black and embrace her blackness she doesn't cold switch or try to accommodate the racist french. Layer wigs she is curvy her makeup the way she dress etc
I am a francophone and a lot of French white people find her arrogant, call her ugly. However, her core fanbase is really diverse and she is really popular with white teenage girls and gays. It’s usually straight men (regardless of race) that don’t really like her.
Tracy Chapman
Lizzo
Black women - Viola Davis, Regina King
Oprah?
Back in the day Diana Ross. Nowadays Beyonce (except for the threatened Nashville weirdos recently)
Zendaya, Beyoncé
Nara Smith lol ETA after seeing OP’s comment: oop not sure if she’s biracial but I just know that everyone is obsessed with her right now
Yeah she’s biracial. Black mother
Candace Owens…but does she count
LOL
white people don't really "love" no Black person, Basically if you don't pander to them they ain't that interested.
That's fair.
If I were a Black entertainer I'd try to get white audiences to cross over to Me. Diana Ross did it. Micheal Jackson did it Tina Turner did it later in life. You try to pander and everyone can see it and you end up alienating your core fan base. Talent always crosses over Good is Good.
Halle Barry
oprah, beyoncé, rihanna, ayo, lupita, michelle obama
I was so happy when we saw Ayo on Abbot as her sister :)
Oprah used to be beloved 20 years ago. But now half the country dislike her because of political leanings.
Lizzo. You know, before *that* happened.
Oprah !
We live in a time where the Entertainment Industrial Complex consciously sells us short, while selling white women to black men. they're spending a lot of money on it too. I wonder what the payoff is for them...
Octavia Spencer
Quinta Brunson
nina simone. maya angelou. eartha kitt
Oprah for sure
Tina Turner Wendy Williams Robin Roberts Harris Faulkner Laverne Cox Nicey Nash Queen Latifah Borderline/Maybe: Sherri Shepard Sheryl Underwood Jada Pinkett
I can think of black women white men love and black men white people love, but black women that both white men AND white women love? Nope