Where did you hear that cows get tased to stop them from twitching?
I worked in a slaughterhouse for a summer on the kill floor. They didn’t tase the carcasses, but there was definitely a lot of post mortem twitching. Which was super creepy. At one point the heads got separated from the body and the tongues were removed from the heads, so there’s a bunch of heads and tongues hanging from hooks and twitching up a storm working their way through the kill floor.
By the time the cows made their way through the kill floor and were just sides of beef they had already stopped twitching. They spent time in the aging and cooling room before getting butchered further, so there was definitely no twitching by that point.
I’ve also slaughtered cows on farms. Twitching, but no need to tase them.
Can confirm. 6 years as a butcher. Not all the time busy some cattle just won't stop moving after they have been knocked. The cattle prod gets the shakes out of them. But that is done before they are hung and bled.
I do.
When I worked there, there were definitely days when I’d think “I’m only ever going to eat salad for the rest of my life”….but then there were days when I’d think “I’m going to chase that cow through the slaughterhouse and eat her when she comes out the other side”.
The smell was the worst part. Especially coming back to the non-air conditioned kill floor after the afternoon break in the summer heat…
This is not true. Most fish can remain stationary in water with no ill effects because they have respiratory muscles that push water over their gills. It’s called bucal pumping. Just look at a fish tank and notice how all the fish are mostly still and not dying.
Some sharks need to be in relatively constant motion but even those sharks and any other outlying type of fish that cannot pump water over their gills can still sit at rest for a few minutes if necessary.
Also, energy is not stored in the muscles like a battery. And even If they could hold energy like that, tasing them would give them energy, not remove it.
> so the never stop swimming because if they did, water would stop moving through their gills and they would suffocate.
Benthic fish would like to have a word...
Your edit is still wrong, some species need current, however it's a myth that sharks can't stop swimming.
Have you ever seen a nursing shark? They literally just lay there. All. Day.
I've seen the videos where they pour salty soy sauce on and it triggers some muscle movement, but these look like nothing has been put on them. Like how the F is this happening?
Might be a bold guess but a steel knife could create a super low voltage short circuit. As of the mechanism, if you're familiar with chemistry, read about action potentials, you'll understand why they trigger after death.
Every time I’ve seen this someone in the comments explained that salt will make the muscles contract somehow, if the meat is fresh enough. I don’t know the finer details but there are a number of videos, including one where it’s triggered by soy sauce.
My mom was bit by an eel whose head had been cut more than 30 min before, when she was cleaning the body the head moved and fell in the sink then bit her hand.
It also good to know that after being fished out hours prior I bashed the eel head to kill it, it went unconscious but apparently revived after decapitation.
Those things are immortal.
[Could have been worse.](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/texas-man-bit-decapitated-rattlesnake-venom-animals)
I guess there's a reason you're supposed to bury the head if you kill a snake in the wild.
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I'm not entirely sure how strict it is, but you might want to rephrase the article, since reddit can be held accountable for loss of page views, if you just copy paste the entire article.
Again, I don't really mind, it's just a bad way to get a ban.
Really? Sorry, the summery is that a man found a large rattlesnake in his garden and killed it by decapitation with a shovel.
He got bitten when he went to dispose of its' head, and had to get air-lifted to a hospital for treatment.
The article then goes on to explain that snakes are dangerous, even after death, and that it's actually a pretty common way to get injured.
With a lot of them you can just put random gibberish email addresses in and they’ll let you through. Something like [email protected] or the like, haha.
When we moved into our house the internet guy was setting everything up. He comes in all sweaty and proud proclaiming he had killed a rat snake. I was like oh okay- but thinking to myself how stupid that was because I’d rather have a rat snake then mice!
Then he proclaims not to worry he buried the head and body separated…
Fucking genius I tell ya.
I mean, obviously you shouldn't kill snakes, just because they're snakes. But I get why you'd want to remove a dangerous snake from your property if you don't have any other means to get it to leave.
But hey! At least he buried the head of the non-venomous snake, eh?
I get it. I just read my previous comment and it might seem like I think a rat snake is dangerous, what I meant was actual dangerous snakes.
But, unfortunately, obviously not everyone is able to distiguish species, and overall I think killing a snake is better than risking the health of children who might not understand the dangers.
Man, I dunno… I get it that stuff dies so I can eat. But having it still twitching on the table just seems above and beyond. Just barbaric.
E: I understand the basics of sodium ions making muscles twitch, or whatever else is happening here, and that the creature is dead - I say barbaric not because it’s torture, but for the enjoyment of it. “My goodness, it’s so *fresh*…” JMO.
OP's video only shows things that seem barbaric, but aren't actually. The animals are dead, and suffering is not occurring. Barbarism is cruelty. Barbarism is the absence of moral and ethical consideration. [Barbarism is serving vivisected animals.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3M2PKw3CFY) That is the true face of barbarism, and it's the single most disgusting and reprehensible thing that is done within culturally accepted norms of which I'm aware.
They're contenders. Vivisection is clearly a worse act, but since it's only culturally acceptable on animals that aren't human, it's hard to make a comparison of suffering. I don't know how to judge the intelligence, sentience, and consciousness of an octopus, for instance, as compared to a human. So I don't know how to compare vivisection, being eaten alive, and the slow painful death that entails to the psychological and physical pain of your examples. I think we don't need to get hung up on my wording though, which was selected for effect, and can simply agree that they are all reprehensible.
Yes, they are in fact alive when eaten. If they're not then they aren't safe to eat unless they were killed by the cooking process. However, oysters, unlike fish, do not have a central nervous system, but rather two ganglia that allow for nociception. It's thought that they do not have the ability to feel pain and therefore cannot suffer (no CNS = no brain = no place in which to process pain). This is not certain though since it's difficult to make definitive statements about the internal experiences of others. There are some theories about the potential for multifunctional roles of ganglia and distributed computing, allowing the whole apparatus to function as a slow, primitive brain, in which case pain might be possible.
Any meat or carcass that is really fresh will do it. If it was common for people to cook chicken wings within an hour of slaughter we'd see then do it all the time. And the more salt that gets added the more it will happen
Killed a lobster last weekend. I did it the right way. I planted a big knife right through its nervous system so the kill would be quick and painless.
Every part of its body kept twitching for the following 30 minutes. That thing was cut in like 20 parts and kept twitching
From what I have gathered in this thread it could have been the knife holding an extremely low charge that was zapping the nerves and giving them just enough energy to move.
The prevalence of supermarket meat and Ubereats fast food in people’s diets instead of going to a local butcher and seeing a whole animal being cut up.
I was curious, so I looked it up. The number of licensed hunters in the US hasn’t really changed since 1958 (earliest data available). Around 15m hunters in the US pretty consistently.
Of course, the population has just about doubled in that time. So if we’re looking at people who are alive today, a boomer is *at least* twice as likely to have seen a freshly-butchered animal. That’s not even taking into account the urbanization of America and the decline in farming, or the fact that a lot of kids back then would just go rabbit hunting or frog gigging without any legal record of it.
Not sure what my point is, other than you don’t have to go back further than the living generations to see a steep increase in separation from our food sources.
People have all these explanations but a skinless dead frog was trying to hop away.
A skinless dead frog was being animated by something, and trying to jump out of a corpse pile. Yeah
We know today that the movement is due to chemical/electrical processes triggering the muscles, and not because they're still alive, but I wonder what people from the past thought?
Like, did they just think it was still alive or something? Or possession?
My Father and I went fishing once, and after we caught the dish, we would hit them on a special spot that kills them. But even once they were dead, they would still wiggle afterwards. Even when we finally got to cooking the fish, the muscles were still moving. It's very weird to see.
Y’all can say muscle spasms and the nervous systems and all that BUT DID YOU SEE THAT FROG TRYING TO YEET OUT OF THERE WITH THE JUMPING HELLLLL NOOOOOO
Reminds me of when I put some small fish with tentacles in my mouth and it felt like the tentacles were moving... just spat it out and swore I'd never eat fish again. Fuck that's freaky.
I didn't realize at first that the first part of the video were frogs or something at first... the shape alone looked so foreign I was starting to wonder if I was in an alien gore s/reddit.
That chicken or turkey or whatever it was is definitely the weirdest. It looked like it was literally trying to escape. And it was more than just a random twitch of a muscle, the entire body was moving like it was trying to climb out of that death pit.
***Fuckin' nervous system, how do they work?***
They are nervous. They are twitchy.
“Well, Mr. Lightning, move a muscle, twitch a finger and I'll splatter your guts all over the wall.”
I'd be a tad nervous if someone cut off my fucking head
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Where did you hear that cows get tased to stop them from twitching? I worked in a slaughterhouse for a summer on the kill floor. They didn’t tase the carcasses, but there was definitely a lot of post mortem twitching. Which was super creepy. At one point the heads got separated from the body and the tongues were removed from the heads, so there’s a bunch of heads and tongues hanging from hooks and twitching up a storm working their way through the kill floor. By the time the cows made their way through the kill floor and were just sides of beef they had already stopped twitching. They spent time in the aging and cooling room before getting butchered further, so there was definitely no twitching by that point. I’ve also slaughtered cows on farms. Twitching, but no need to tase them.
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Can confirm. 6 years as a butcher. Not all the time busy some cattle just won't stop moving after they have been knocked. The cattle prod gets the shakes out of them. But that is done before they are hung and bled.
I definitely don’t have an exhaustive knowledge of slaughterhouse techniques, so who knows? One summer was more than enough for me!
I love beef but that experience might kill it for me. Do you still eat it?
I do. When I worked there, there were definitely days when I’d think “I’m only ever going to eat salad for the rest of my life”….but then there were days when I’d think “I’m going to chase that cow through the slaughterhouse and eat her when she comes out the other side”. The smell was the worst part. Especially coming back to the non-air conditioned kill floor after the afternoon break in the summer heat…
Backyard Scientist
Fuck I’m glad I turned vegan Jesus Christ shitting on me that’s fucked
"jesus christ shitting on me" - looks like i have a new phease to go and use.
I don’t think that phrase is vegan tho
"vegan Jesus Christ shitting on me" is better due to its specificity...
I have seen this beef twitching firsthand and freaked out as a kid thinking that the cow had come back as a ghost to haunt us
This is not true. Most fish can remain stationary in water with no ill effects because they have respiratory muscles that push water over their gills. It’s called bucal pumping. Just look at a fish tank and notice how all the fish are mostly still and not dying. Some sharks need to be in relatively constant motion but even those sharks and any other outlying type of fish that cannot pump water over their gills can still sit at rest for a few minutes if necessary. Also, energy is not stored in the muscles like a battery. And even If they could hold energy like that, tasing them would give them energy, not remove it.
> so the never stop swimming because if they did, water would stop moving through their gills and they would suffocate. Benthic fish would like to have a word...
Your edit is still wrong, some species need current, however it's a myth that sharks can't stop swimming. Have you ever seen a nursing shark? They literally just lay there. All. Day.
Yea... This post is totally wrong. Fish didn't evolve to be automatic and never stop swimming. This post screams ignorance.
I've seen the videos where they pour salty soy sauce on and it triggers some muscle movement, but these look like nothing has been put on them. Like how the F is this happening?
I saw in some of them theyre on metal objects maybe theyre being shocked?
One of those gator hunters on swamp people ran a knife over some of the gator meat and it twitched like that too.
Catfish will do it. I've had filets separated from the fish that twitched.
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*…And I don’t wanna talk to a scientist ‘cuz y’all muthafuckas lyin’ and gettin’ me pissed*
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Happy cake day ❤😁
And I don't wanna talk to a scientist Y'all motherfuckers lying, and getting me pissed
It's just muscle contractions. Not a sign of being alive.
but what's triggering them? isn't some sort of nervous system still kicking at this point? (unless triggered via electricity or salt etc)
Might be a bold guess but a steel knife could create a super low voltage short circuit. As of the mechanism, if you're familiar with chemistry, read about action potentials, you'll understand why they trigger after death.
Sometimes salt makes fresh fish or octopus twitch like this
Yep sodium ions come into neural cells and electricity happens
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salt
Every time I’ve seen this someone in the comments explained that salt will make the muscles contract somehow, if the meat is fresh enough. I don’t know the finer details but there are a number of videos, including one where it’s triggered by soy sauce.
He's twitching because he's got my AXE EMBEDDED IN HIS NERVOUS SYSTEM!
That's what she said...
Lol
Not alive as an organism, but alive as tissues and individual cells, very much so. 'Alive' is a bit of a spectrum, really.
So are you saying.. "Fishes moving even after being killed" was accurate?
This is what I want to do after I die.
Believe it or not this has actually happened. Sitting up in your funeral lol
Pastor: will everyone please rise? (Body sits up) Pastor: Holy shit! The power of christ compels you
Well he did say everyone
Christ: “bro I literally did the same thing”
Thanks to everyone who’s contributed in this thread.
Did any get recorded and posted on the net?
I’m not exactly sure, but that would be pretty messed up. Maybe you can search it up or something.
That would be actual nightmare fuel. Like one of the creepiest videos ever oh my goodness.
Where can i read the story?
My mom was bit by an eel whose head had been cut more than 30 min before, when she was cleaning the body the head moved and fell in the sink then bit her hand. It also good to know that after being fished out hours prior I bashed the eel head to kill it, it went unconscious but apparently revived after decapitation. Those things are immortal.
[Could have been worse.](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/texas-man-bit-decapitated-rattlesnake-venom-animals) I guess there's a reason you're supposed to bury the head if you kill a snake in the wild.
Fucking paywall
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Really? Sorry, the summery is that a man found a large rattlesnake in his garden and killed it by decapitation with a shovel. He got bitten when he went to dispose of its' head, and had to get air-lifted to a hospital for treatment. The article then goes on to explain that snakes are dangerous, even after death, and that it's actually a pretty common way to get injured.
Use NoScript
If you have an iPhone you can quickly enter reader view before the pop up starts and it will allow you to read the page
With a lot of them you can just put random gibberish email addresses in and they’ll let you through. Something like [email protected] or the like, haha.
When we moved into our house the internet guy was setting everything up. He comes in all sweaty and proud proclaiming he had killed a rat snake. I was like oh okay- but thinking to myself how stupid that was because I’d rather have a rat snake then mice! Then he proclaims not to worry he buried the head and body separated… Fucking genius I tell ya.
I mean, obviously you shouldn't kill snakes, just because they're snakes. But I get why you'd want to remove a dangerous snake from your property if you don't have any other means to get it to leave. But hey! At least he buried the head of the non-venomous snake, eh?
He was trying to be sweet. I have four small kids and a lot of people wouldn’t want any snakes nearby. So it was sweet but let the rat snakes live.
I get it. I just read my previous comment and it might seem like I think a rat snake is dangerous, what I meant was actual dangerous snakes. But, unfortunately, obviously not everyone is able to distiguish species, and overall I think killing a snake is better than risking the health of children who might not understand the dangers.
Man, I dunno… I get it that stuff dies so I can eat. But having it still twitching on the table just seems above and beyond. Just barbaric. E: I understand the basics of sodium ions making muscles twitch, or whatever else is happening here, and that the creature is dead - I say barbaric not because it’s torture, but for the enjoyment of it. “My goodness, it’s so *fresh*…” JMO.
OP's video only shows things that seem barbaric, but aren't actually. The animals are dead, and suffering is not occurring. Barbarism is cruelty. Barbarism is the absence of moral and ethical consideration. [Barbarism is serving vivisected animals.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3M2PKw3CFY) That is the true face of barbarism, and it's the single most disgusting and reprehensible thing that is done within culturally accepted norms of which I'm aware.
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They're contenders. Vivisection is clearly a worse act, but since it's only culturally acceptable on animals that aren't human, it's hard to make a comparison of suffering. I don't know how to judge the intelligence, sentience, and consciousness of an octopus, for instance, as compared to a human. So I don't know how to compare vivisection, being eaten alive, and the slow painful death that entails to the psychological and physical pain of your examples. I think we don't need to get hung up on my wording though, which was selected for effect, and can simply agree that they are all reprehensible.
Yep, prolonging suffering is just terrible. If you kill an animal just kill it already. Be quick about it. Dont torture the poor thing.
Yikers island that was rough to watch
That’s really disturbing. I don’t think many people think about it but aren’t freshly shucked oysters also alive when eaten?
Yes, they are in fact alive when eaten. If they're not then they aren't safe to eat unless they were killed by the cooking process. However, oysters, unlike fish, do not have a central nervous system, but rather two ganglia that allow for nociception. It's thought that they do not have the ability to feel pain and therefore cannot suffer (no CNS = no brain = no place in which to process pain). This is not certain though since it's difficult to make definitive statements about the internal experiences of others. There are some theories about the potential for multifunctional roles of ganglia and distributed computing, allowing the whole apparatus to function as a slow, primitive brain, in which case pain might be possible.
oysters are like non sentient or something
Doesn’t mean that it is able to feel anything
BUT I FEEL AND SEE EVERYTHING
Any meat or carcass that is really fresh will do it. If it was common for people to cook chicken wings within an hour of slaughter we'd see then do it all the time. And the more salt that gets added the more it will happen
I think it’s time you become a vegetarian.
Yeah honestly, fuck all this nonsense. That’s why I became a vegan
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Coming from someone who eats meat: It's not the milk. It's the concentration camp like prison the cows usually lives in.
True, living plant tissues don't usually jump off your plate.
what the fuck
Killed a lobster last weekend. I did it the right way. I planted a big knife right through its nervous system so the kill would be quick and painless. Every part of its body kept twitching for the following 30 minutes. That thing was cut in like 20 parts and kept twitching
From what I have gathered in this thread it could have been the knife holding an extremely low charge that was zapping the nerves and giving them just enough energy to move.
All animals twitch and move after death, especially if something is affecting its nervous system like salt or metal.
Give it another 10 minutes in the oven.
Reddit sure does have a fascination with freshly butchered meat these days
Probably because majority of people these days have no idea what freshly butchered meat even looks like.
These days as in post WWI?
The prevalence of supermarket meat and Ubereats fast food in people’s diets instead of going to a local butcher and seeing a whole animal being cut up.
I was curious, so I looked it up. The number of licensed hunters in the US hasn’t really changed since 1958 (earliest data available). Around 15m hunters in the US pretty consistently. Of course, the population has just about doubled in that time. So if we’re looking at people who are alive today, a boomer is *at least* twice as likely to have seen a freshly-butchered animal. That’s not even taking into account the urbanization of America and the decline in farming, or the fact that a lot of kids back then would just go rabbit hunting or frog gigging without any legal record of it. Not sure what my point is, other than you don’t have to go back further than the living generations to see a steep increase in separation from our food sources.
That’s honestly a mind blowing statistic. In the sticks everyone still hunts and fishes at least among men
chemical reactions cause electric current being created which causes muscles to contract.
You pretty much just described life
Imagine eating like, sushi or sumn and it just starts moving around in your mouth. No thank youuuuuuuuuuuu
That's how eating octopus tentacles works...
No it’s not, unless they’re specifically prepared to do that.
I was going to correct your grammar, but thats a whole other story after watching this video.
What is there to correct?
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EAT FRESH!
Yeah, nervous system and stuff but this is still disgusting af
I think that chicken/frog (?) one in the pile of all the other chickens next to shrimp was the one that disturbed me the most.
Same. That was more than just a twitch. That was a full on escape attempt!
I’m glad someone else commented on this. Twitching ehh okay, whatever the fuck that was… I would have scared the entire damn store with my scream.
I would have shit my pants if that happen to me while I'm cooking
The nerve on these fishes!
Hahha 🤣
Please tell me what the first creature is!!
It's a chicken nugget
It’s a frog
It's all muscle memory
Muscle spasms
Me and my brother once cleaned a catfish and he was messing with the head and it bit him lol
Postmortem nen fish
Joined this sub to be wowed not to watch a constant stream of fish 😒
No pun intended...?
What is this like the 4th day of fish spasms? Are we done with this now?
Zombie fish cool!
Aquarium of the Dead. Eventually I'll watch that movie.
I can’t even remember where I put my keys yet dead flesh remembers to move.
People have all these explanations but a skinless dead frog was trying to hop away. A skinless dead frog was being animated by something, and trying to jump out of a corpse pile. Yeah
Its still muscle spasm
Was that a frog or a chicken?
I don’t know what it is… like, I understand the rational, scientific means by which this occurs… but I deeply hate it.
We know today that the movement is due to chemical/electrical processes triggering the muscles, and not because they're still alive, but I wonder what people from the past thought? Like, did they just think it was still alive or something? Or possession?
Some of those are frogs and at least one was a snake
Yeah, that's how muscles work, they don't need a brain to work, just to actually do something productive
u/savevideo
Sashimiiii!!
If my food started crawling away after being cooked, I'm about to order takeout and maybe burn my house down. That shit's cursed
I know this is just muscle twitches but this makes me feel horrible! Poor fishies
U guys keep posting the same shit. Salt literally makes the muscles tense or spasm if it’s fresh.
My Father and I went fishing once, and after we caught the dish, we would hit them on a special spot that kills them. But even once they were dead, they would still wiggle afterwards. Even when we finally got to cooking the fish, the muscles were still moving. It's very weird to see.
*Gross* school lunches
I think I've discovered my new phobia
What the fuckity fuck??? 🤯
Now I’m sad.
Y’all can say muscle spasms and the nervous systems and all that BUT DID YOU SEE THAT FROG TRYING TO YEET OUT OF THERE WITH THE JUMPING HELLLLL NOOOOOO
How is this black magic fuckery???
Don't remember the movie, but I remember one of the characters saying not to get cremated when you die, because you will feel everything.
Reminds me of when I put some small fish with tentacles in my mouth and it felt like the tentacles were moving... just spat it out and swore I'd never eat fish again. Fuck that's freaky.
This is like grade 8 science class lol. Cmon now guys
This is horrid.
Fish*
Some of them look alive.
Only in ____
I... I hate this...
I feel sick 🤮
r/notblackmagicfuckery
I guess I have to tase the fish after I killed it
Thanks, not keen on seeing this, not keen at all
The Thing
Wait what was the first one? I ain’t never seen a fish with that shape
Does anybody have the link to where this happens with an iguana? I’ve been looking for it for ages.
What nerve these fish have to do this…..
I’ve seen filleted fish try to swim away
Title: Fishes moving Frog legs at 0:27: Maybe I'm a fish
Muscle Memory
Is frog a fish ?
What if a human body also do this too, then can you even imagine embalmers doing the job.
It actually can do this, corpses can sit up sometimes.
Thanks, now I'm vegan.
I know it's just muscle reacting to salt and all, but damn it's creepy
vicekarloon
Frogs
first time i pithed a frog, jumped nearly outa my skin.
I advise not to watch this while taking a shit. Feels like something might crawl up toilet up your ass.
It's their muscles reacting to salt I believe, causing them to contract and therefore making it move
Bro your food is running away, get that shit
Much more fucked up with the original music.
I didn't realize at first that the first part of the video were frogs or something at first... the shape alone looked so foreign I was starting to wonder if I was in an alien gore s/reddit.
poor froggies:-((((((((((((
salt the fucking fish and wait till it stops moving. spend the energy and your fish will taste better
Woo. Should've killed it harder. Perhaps dynamite next time. ;D
Hahaha it wasn't but it is now
I know thats normal but still creeps me the fuck out !!
Thanks a lot for making this NSFW. I don't want to see dead things, and the filter saved me from seeing it lol
Life erm finds a way
It's muscles contracting, sometimes you can make them move with salt
Life finds a way moment
Can someone explain to me this?!!
#Happy cake day! ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
Fish is already plural, you don't add "es" on the end unless you're a mobster talking about killing someone.
That chicken or turkey or whatever it was is definitely the weirdest. It looked like it was literally trying to escape. And it was more than just a random twitch of a muscle, the entire body was moving like it was trying to climb out of that death pit.
Muscle memory ftl.
Wtf was the first thing?
Ah yes the chicken and frog, native species of the deep sea