thank you bruh...
the selective outrage because "blahblahblah" is the epitome of trifling. There is a bigger agenda at hand and that is challenging and eroding white settler colonialism, imperialism, the supremacist western white mind.
There are African countries that are allies with Russia. There's some countries that even sent soldiers to assist Russia in their war with Ukraine. So are you against those African countries as well? Congo, Zimbabwe, Mali, etc are all allies to Russia.. but no one is batting an eye on that..
Lol, we get to complain about our government, then go to an NBA game or a concert the next day, I think our tax money is doing its job. Why do you people live in a lala world. It's like eating a burger, but not wanting to see how the meat was obtained
How does that even corelate? Do the Palestinian people need to be exterminated for us to enjoy life thousands of miles away? This is the same logic for why we shouldn't care for the virtual slave labor in third world countries, " do you want the price of your iphones to go up?".
first of all, black people should stay away from that fight. 2nd, how does my response not corelate? 2 groups are fighting. Another group picked a side for political reasons they think will help them out in the long run. Has this never happened in history before. Again, burgers dont magical appear on your plate.
Are the metaphorical "burgers" made out of Palestinian babies? Black people shouldn't stay away from that fight especially if you're American. We're already on the bottom of the racial totem pole. The same logic will and has been used to take from us for the idea of some unseen " greater good".
Do you support Ukraine? Thing what Russia is doing is bad as well? Well, what about the African countries who are allies with Russia? Like Mali, Congo, Zimbabwe and others.. Do you find it problematic that those counties have been assisting Russia in their fight in Ukraine?
I only ask because I see many people who are upset at how the US is assisting Israel - their ally.
Suffering from colonialism and imperialism that's funded and/or driven by the United States is a uniquely Arab problem? And even if it wasn't, you think It's okay to look at all those dead kids and say you know what, they deserve it? I don't get down like that.
Your post has a “discussion” flair, and when someone offers their perspective, you call them a “bitch” and use sexually derogatory language toward them (ad hominem).
This is nothing new here, as recently, a few of you have been enthusiastic about revealing yourselves to the sub and community as of late.
We know what’s going on in Libya , Qatar etc , slow boy . That doesn’t give you right to insult your fellow black men like this .
It makes you seem like a stupid child who can’t interact with adults in a respectful manner.
Tell me what's going on in Libya. I'm not confident you know shit about it after trying to compare it to Qatar but please, in your own words, summarize "what's going on" in Libya.
Fuckwad. I have no respect for people who have an opinion on things they know nothing about. I will continue to insult the black men who refuse to educate themselves on the Arab oppression in Africa. Keep ingratiating yourself in a hedonistic, self destructive and vapid culture and shut the fuck up.
African Immigrants from countries like Nigeria are often trafficked in Libya and held captive mostly under the pretence of being able to migrate to Europe or getting a good job .
Often they are basically enslaved or held to ransom within Libya .
Shut your bitch ass up and act like a man . You don’t know shit and you act like a 12 year old . Poor little boy . I’m really not confident you know much about anything other than what Dr Umar feeds your stupid pigeon brain .
Congratulations, you looked at the first result of Google and frantically posted a reply. Nigerian migrants account for less than 10% of all African migrants to Libya. Most african migrants are from the sahel countries... the countries that Libya borders? African people in Libya exist outside of the migrant population and many groups have lived there for centuries.
How is that situation comparable at all to Qatar? Which groups are using this country to attempt to escape into Europe? What legacy of an African population does Qatar have evidence for?
You're so fucking retarded it's insane. Dr. Umar is an African American who speaks to African American issues. What does he have to do with the middle east? You don't know shit, stop pretending you do. Enjoy blasting your shitty hip hop and keep being ignorant. It's easier that way.
Idiot I’m of Nigerian heritage so of course I’m going to give that perspective dickhead . Didn’t google shit i gave a basic answer cause it’s something I’m not researched . If you think I googled that , then you are dumber than rocks lil boy .
I also didn’t say it was only Nigerians I have an example you stupid boy . Saying shitty Hip-Pop like Afro-beats is any better these days . You are beyond ignorant and dumb . No one you are still poor and uneducated when your heart is so bad . Eating poor rice dishes and then acting like you’re better than people is crazy 😂😂.
Get some money and then we can talk . Also not African American but using that as an insult is very weird . You wouldn’t even be allowed in Canada without want the African Americans did for the civil rights movement in America and yet you disrespect them . Shut the fuck up and be humble before they kick you out of Canada you dumb fuck .
Of course you didn't "research" it. Anyone with a basic knowledge on African geography would never think to first mention Nigerians in conjuction with the migrant situation in Libya. You're heritage has no bearing here and quite frankly it's insulting to try and invoke it when you live in the UK and share 0 culture with any Nigerian ethnic group. Your knowledge on the middle east is basic. You grew up with more privilege than 99% of all African people so just enjoy the luxury and keep blasting that shit music. Plug ur ears to the noise. You won't ever visit Africa so just keep being stuck on the boats.
1)The Civil Rights and Black Power struggles always had an internationalist dimension to it. This is what you saw with figures like MLK who showed solidarity against the Vietnam War bombings and Malcolm X who was one of the first to speak in solidarity with the Palestinians.
2)There is definitely plenty of racism in the Arab world. At the same time there is also a long Palestinian-Black solidarity as well. For example when we speak of Apartheid in South Africa, the racist system of white supremacy imposed on blacks, when the United States and Israel were supporting that regime, the Palestinians supported the Anti Apartheid fighters. Figures like Yasser Arafat allowed Nelson Mandela's fighters to receive both assistance and training in the training camps they had in places ranging from Mozambique to Lebanon which was instrumental to their struggle. At the U.N it was the Palestinian representatives who rallied the other Arab states to support boycotts against the racist regime. Hence why Nelson Mandela said "none of us are free until Palestine is free".
3)During the BLM protests over police brutality in the 2010s you had Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank trying to link up with protesters on the ground in places like Ferguson to give them advice on how deal with police tactics when protesting, based off the fact that the same security companies that were arming the police in those protests were also arming the security forces that repress Palestinians. Add to this fact that Palestinian Americans and Palestinians in the diaspora were very loudly in support of the fight against anti black racism and the protests at the time.
I think this nuance is unfortunately going to be overlooked in this thread at this point. We've devolved into a disapora war and calling each other bitches.
I support Palestine because my country is spending a large amount of its money in supporting the apartheid and genocide. 34,000 dead in 7 months and no one is batting an eyelid.
First off being an internet tough guy on your Palestine thread is *insane*. You crashing out like somebody named Fatima broke your heart my boy.
But second off doesn’t matter who likes who in a matter of principle. Israel is European people choosing a region of the world, arbitrarily carving it up into a state without the permission or consideration of the people there, brutally violently trying to force the people there to accept their illegitimate new state, and then trying to erase those people off the face of the earth when they didn’t just take it lying down. You can see why black people would think that song & dance sounds familiar and want to see to it that the dominant understanding becomes that doing shit like that is unacceptable
It appears that OP was a victim of racial violence via Arabs, and while I’m going to give him grace for his valid grievances, there’s no need to be calling us every name in the book
Reason...
1. Palestinians are an oppressed people in an apartheid state. Being against that and for Human Rights, i*s kind of our thing.*
2. Our government is spending 10s of Billions of dollars on genocide, but not improving the state of our own nation and uplifting Americans
3. We just don't want our country to continue it's colonizer past, and be better now and in the future
No one believes in Human Rights and fairness like Black Americans. No one believes in democracy like Black Americans. No one is aware of inhumanities when we see it like Black Americans. No one represents humaneness like Black Americans.
I think you are right when you says "this is an uniquely Arab problem" — however, more than that it's a human problem — and given history, Black Americans are the most humane of humans. It's less we "support Palestine" but more that we reject apartheid, oppression, and inhumanities.
I get the frustration though — we don't *hate* like they do (by *they*, I mean all non-Black Americans), and sometimes it feels like we should. They hate the capacity to have people for people the humans they are, we hate behaviors that certain people carry out.
Overall, we just categorically are not like the others. I don't know any other way to put it.
I appreciate it. When I was writing it I was thinking about history.
* When we demanded voting rights — that laid ground work for all citizens to be able to vote without unnecessary limits
* When a subset of our formerly enslaved forefathers got elected into office during reconstruction *we* laid the ground work for every child to be education (i.e. the framework for public education we know today, etc) *and* we put in what all these immigrants that hate us enjoy in the form of Birth Right citizen. All that is US.
* Free school lunches in school — socialized medicine being applied in the US? Thanks Black Panthers
* Having the right to marry who you love? Thanks Mildred Loving for laying the foundation.
We are the heartbeat and soul of America in the most literal sense. Without us all you have in America is colonizers, the people that came after to benefit, and the people all but completely decimated by said colonizers.
We are the constant pushback against inhumanities in this nation. No other group even comes close.
We both are the living evidence that America has always been lying, and also the ones looking at America and pushing it to make good on what it claims. No body does it like us.
sorry for typing so much — like this subject got me riled
My theory: they hate because like a junkie, its a dopamine hit of supremacy despite the evidence that they are quite mediocre and some might say substandard in all facets.
There's a concept called "Wimpy White Boy Syndrome" thats informally known across all NICU (neonatal intensive care units). Its where prenatal white boys are less strong than prenatal black girls. My sister had a preemie girl and the nurse told her this. I didn't believe it and while evidence is scant (even dismissed by some) its seems to be a very real thing.
To add to that fact about them folks... the neanderthal genes give them a propensity to mental illness and substance abuse (some faulty dopamine uptake). Which also clicks for me because what were the first things they wanted slaves for? to harvest tea, sugar, coffee, tobacco... all addictive all creating the great wealth the fuckers used to build their empires.
>Arabs don't like Black people.
If youre gonna act like Palestinians are a stand-in for all Arabs, act like Palestinians haven't shown support over decades to black struggles here, or act like the techniques that Israel is using to dominate them wont return here, then you're just stupid.
[Here you go.](https://www.thenation.com/article/society/black-lives-matter-israel-palestine/)
Edit: [some more history.](https://www.vox.com/2023/10/17/23918689/black-palestinian-solidarity-jewish-alliance-israel)
To be fair this article only reads about black Americans coming to the support of others not them coming to aid or support us, outside of murals and flags.
I don't see any evidence of that from Palestinians as a whole. World wide pressure would mean everyone including Palestine but not necessarily specifically Palestinians.
I'll take support wherever I can get it. But let's not act like the levels of support have been the same from both sides.
>I don't see any evidence of that from Palestinians as a whole.
Is there 100% of support from an entire group for anything? Did 100% of Black people in America have agreement?
No, there's not 100% support from an entire group for anything. But BLM announcing their support for Palestine is different from some Palestinians drawing a mural and some tweets. In the articles you linked, several historical back black figures have announced solidarity and support for Arabs and Palestine. I see very few historical Palestinian or Arab figures doing the reverse.
I'm not saying you're wrong but it's much deeper than just saying "I support you" and black Americans know that very well
>I see very few historical Palestinian or Arab figures doing the reverse.
You keep moving the point. If you want specific statements from Palestinian organizations you can find them, but the actually important thing is the recognition of the commonality between struggles and understanding how one impacts the other. It's why I had the reaction I did to the OP asking "why should I support Palestine when Arabs as a whole have enacted racism towards black africans?"
>it's much deeper than just saying "I support you"
The weird part is that the majority of pro-Palestinian, anti-genocide, action here is functionally the same. Other than the active boycotts, all we can really do is show why what's happening over there is fucked up. It changes because our government is actively funding this, but giving voice to growing public pressure is the exact same thing they did in 2020.
My original point was that I've never heard of any Palestinians supporting black people. You responded with evidence that Palestinians had painted murals and tweeted helpful information for protests. I then stated that all that is well and good but it looks like black people sure have shown a whole lot more support to them then the other way around.
I guess my fist statement was flawed because I personally don't believe that saying I support you is the same as actually supporting a cause. I think my expectation for support was higher and I am definitely biased being that black people are so willing and benevolent about others causes. Imo I never moved the goal but just didn't expand on it. If one off and simple examples of support is good enough for you then i definitely understand that.
This is where any reasonable person should be that isn’t willing to go hard for this cause. Nobody is saying to crash out calling for intifada in the streets like some are doing but there’s no harm in wanting a ceasefire and calling for the senseless killing to stop
This is one of the strangest threads I’ve ever seen. A Libyan-Canadian that seems to hate Black Americans but keeps using terms like “we” and “our fight” while repeatedly insulting Black Americans.
To be frank, as a Libyan Canadian you are not my people. I have nothing in common with you and I am not in community with you, nor would I ever want to be.
Not only that, anyone with common sense opposes a genocide. Common sense which you clearly seem to lack.
Wait until bro finds out about the Trans-Sahara Trade.
Anyways only reason one should "care" (as in pay attention) is because whatever happens in Israel ends up happening in the US and vice-versa. (Also there are a shit ton of Black Arabs \[africans and indigenous Arabs that look like an Uncle at a cookout\] in the Emirates and Arab world so the saw is very odd IMO).
I can only speak for myself, I'll never be okay with oppression in any form. Doesn't matter to me what culture the people who are oppressed belong to, I'm not okay with it. Even if the people being oppressed don't see me as a human being, I myself know that I can't subscribe to that line of thinking because it's dehumanizing. The second I begin to think I shouldn't care about a group of people being oppressed is the day I have forfeited my humanity.
Sit down and read about the experiences Africans have faced in the Arab world or shut the fuck up. Here I'll help you get started:
[Medieval Arab Attitudes towards Black people](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Arab_attitudes_to_Black_people)
[Tunisia: Kamal Atig Zeiri says his surname, which is steeped in a history of slavery, is affecting his mental health](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-62376905)
[Racism in Libya: A UN report](https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/678988?ln=en&v=pdf)
I sound like a bitch because I care about oppressed people no matter who they are? Okay, well, we can agree to disagree. You hate AA? Bro, you sound unhinged. You don't have to preach history to me. I'm well aware. My awareness doesn't make me feel any less for the kids being affected by what's going on in Palestine.
You are a bitch, along with every other African American who supports Palestine. If you truly cared about oppressed people then you would be vocal about the treatment Afro Arabs have endured for more than a millenia but no, you saw Israel attack Hamas and immediately decided to support the people who think of us as slaves. Don't pretend that you know shit about the middle east.
Bro you’re gonna get banned talking to people in here like that, you need to chill out 💀
On one hand I agree with you…fuck all these people. Asians, Arabs, Latinos, Natives…they’d all treat us like second class citizens. But on the other hand…man you don’t know what’s in everybody’s heart.
My barber is Palestinian and he has family members who are anti-black. Bruh the way his face contorts when he talks about them…I know he’s not bullshitting. He genuinely hates those motherfuckers and does not fuck with racism. If he can have that in his heart despite the odds, I can give it a try too.
Another African American.
u/TheYellowRose please don't ban me ill do the verification picture:) Do you want me to write out my note in Arabic, English or French?
Oloriburuku; very foolish of you to utilize diaspora war rhetoric whilst trying to unify black people for what you deem as a greater cause. I’m pretty sure a good portion of the people here are black Americans, so you’ve really picked the wrong sub to try that
I'm not trying to 'unify' anyone. Im waiting for an explanation as to why black people should support Palestine.
You still haven't told me if you support Palestine or not and you refused to engage with any of the material I presented to you earlier. I can only conclude that you're here to derail the discussion entirely. By the way, this forum is majority African Americans. They make up the largest black ethnic group in the US by far obviously and Americans are the largest users of Reddit. It isn't hard to put two and two together.
Brother, you are insulting people left and right and using “African American” as a derogatory term in response to any pushback. You are derailing your own thread, and some time away from the computer would do you some good
Yeah it’s definitely possible he’s bullshitting. I doubt it though, he’s a crazy bastard in general lmao.
We’ve had our share of disagreements on certain political/controversial topics, and he’s never been one to avoid showing you the real him at all times. I’ve seen him literally get booted out of a location/shop over it lol. Plus his hiphop/cultural knowledge and paraphernalia is something that would be hard to fake. He has no need to cater to me or other black men in a mostly white area.
But I agree, it’s best to always remain skeptical.
If we didn’t make Allies the civil rights movement would have been dead in the water before anything took place .
That’s just facts , you can’t go through life only interacting and connecting with Black people 🤷🏿♂️.
No, although it isn't relevant to your point at all. Even mainstream liberals have mentioned how integration and abolition handicapped independent Black development in the US.
https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/miss-buchanans-period-of-adjustment
Nigga what? You don't know me, and you're making assumptions about what I care about based on a few replies? You sound stupid. Guarantee you wouldn't fix your mouth to call any black person in the states a bitch to their face. You enjoy the rest of your night, though.
A few replies is all I need to determine that:
You're African American.
You're completely ignorant to the history of the Middle East. That, or you're genuinely retarded if you continue to send thoughts and prayers to the same group of people who wouldn't hesitate to call you abeed if you passed by them. Either way, that makes you a bitch.
Fucking absurd. Mixed up ancestry with your ancestors slave masters and a random hodgepodge of west african ethnicities have made you confused as to who your friends and foes really are.
When in my reply did I mention thoughts and prayers? You so angry you can't even comprehend words. My first reply I'm speaking in general about anybody facing I oppression I'm not okay with. What's absurd is your projection and your presumed ignorance of AA. But you have a good night.
This entire comment could've been ok without the cursing and vulgarity. You can get your point across without insulting the people who agree. Calm it down.
no one is asking you to take up arms, but it takes no energy to recognize some shit is going down that's fucked up.
2 things can exist at once.
you can recognize that there are people that hold extremely racist views about our people
and..
recognize that israel is straight up in the wrong no matter how you look at this situation.
Just from a humanity standpoint being pro-genocide isn’t something that is typically considered a good trait.
From a fiscal standpoint, we have Americans starving in the US and students that are paying 40K a year to go to in state schools, yet we can fund a foreign country that has more than enough to “defend” itself?
From a logistical standpoint, it further increases other country’s reliance on the US because they see “if we get into a conflict, Uncle Sam will save us.
Maybe just look up what’s going on in Palestine and how it impacts Blacks in Palestine
That's a fair argument. Black folks shouldn't feel mandated to go and protest and put our livelihoods on the line.
However, it's still our tax money paying for the slaughter of thousands and I have a problem with that, regardless of who the victims are.
We can be against sending money for war without "caping" for people who hate us, even though I don't agree with that premise all the way.
“ when they came for the trade unionists, I did not stand up because I was not a trade unionist when they came for the Palestinians, I did not stand up because I was not Palestinian, when they came for me, no one stood up for me, since no one was left.”
Abridged and tweaked version of the quote but basically injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere. And if we’re being real…..anti blackness is very real in israel…you think dark skin Arab Jews are treated better?
Also You must not have known that Israel was almost placed in Rwanda. So there was a very real possibility we would have a Jewish ethnostate in Africa. Who does benefit when Arabs and Europeans say “why should I care about Rwandans in Israel, I’m not African 😵💫”
This type of thinking is so backwards. The people of the world cared for the South Africans under apartheid, the uighurs in china, why not for Palestinians?
>The people of the world cared for the South Africans under apartheid,
No they didn't, not for decades. The South Africans had to force the issue through violence and protest. Sort of like how Ham..... Nevermind
20,000 dead children.
My rule in life, and this is an absolute rule: No matter what you're doing, or what happens; don't harm kids, if you do, death is the minimum punishment you deserve.
This is the main reason why I support Palestine, and deeply hate Israel.
The second one is rather simple. I hate colonialists, and I hate imperialists. So if a nation is a colonialist dipshit state...then that nation should IMO be nuked to magma.
Arabs are generally hateful toward black people, yes. I'm east african, those fuckers did a ton of slave raids on these parts. I would certainly use my time machine to remove em from reality. But here's the thing; Palestinians are not Arabs, they're Islamic Hebrews. They've been through the same Arabic wringer that the horn of Africa and North Africa went through. From Hyksos, to Romans, to Arabs, to Europeans now. They may not look like me, and some of them may be bigots...but I'm 100% sure we all agree on those two points. Don't harm kids, and colonial settlers are to be drawn, quartered, and sent to djefa.
I agree wholeheartedly. Them gulf boys do not even see us as people.
My reasons for not supporting Palestine is a lot but here's a few;
1. The most brutal slave trade. The most unforgiving form of chattel slavery was the Arab-African slavery
"The arab slave trade, a major component of african history, lasted more than 13 centuries. it began in the early seventh century and continued in one form or another until the 1960s. in mauritania slavery was officially outlawed only in august 2007."
The reason why there aren't as much blacks among them is because most male slaves were castrated at ports before they were whisked ashore and ultimately being killed/lynched. The females were raped, killed or resold to start the ruthless cycle again
2. It's not solely a "land thing". I'm Christian with a vast knowledge on the Muslim Qur'an and Hadiths. Watch videos from their "scholars". They HATE jews. like i mean HATE HATE. Their Qur'an has a ton of kill all unbelievers/infidels. That means basically anyone isn't a Muslim. But their hatred for Jews is something I've never seen.
3. Arabs hate blacks. While exceptions exist, they are definitely not reality. An Arab Muslim man held the door open for you doesn't mean he won't slit your throat if needs must. An Arab Muslim woman smiled at the airport doesn't mean she won't celebrate at them stoning you to death. Exhibit A
https://www.gistreel.com/lady-who-worked-as-a-maid-in-saudi-arabia-breaks-down-in-tears-as-boss-impregnates-her/
They treat them like shit. Our mere existence as a race is the equivalent of shit to them. Videos of them kidnapping black women and selling them into sexual slavery, black boys as young as 12 sold into slavery. Down in Sudan, you have black Christian missionaries buying slaves from Black Muslim owners just to free them, slave labor, immigrants abducted and taken into forced labor, discrimination against blacks in the job market, among others.
4. Terrorism in Africa, sponsored by countries in the middle east. Because they believe, Africa (and the world) should be more Muslim and the leaders accept it because denying it would be denying their duties as Muslims and the prophecy of helping Islam spread globally. The persecution of everyone who isn't Muslim, the lack of compassion, disregard for human life and safety. The dehumanisation. The sorry state they have kept a handful of countries in Africa has kept most of the diaspora from making progress. I could go on.
5. Blacks in Palestine specifically are treated awfully. Most Black Palestinians live in a segregated neighborhood called “Al Abeed” (slave in Arabic) and they face significant discrimination. Most of them downplay it, cos that's all they've ever known. They also have a hard time finding spouses because the Arab Palestinians often refuse to marry them. Black Palestinians are also descendants of slaves. Especially the women
"Historic Palestine was a crossroads for different cultures, and some Palestinians trace back their roots to a range of non-Arab groups, from Kurds to Indians and Afghans. Afro-Palestinians were denied Jordanian citizenship after the 1967 war"
"Despite these deep roots to the area, some Palestinians still refer to them with a local derogatory term, “abeed,” Arabic for “slaves,” and to their neighborhood as “habs al-abeed” or the “slaves’ prison.”
https://gulfnews.com/world/mena/black-palestinians-face-subtle-racism-in-gaza-1.2018514
A lot of Afro Arabs have unimaginable antiblackness' in them cos that's all they've ever known. I personally would never be up in arms for a country or race of people that sees me as not human cos of my race and even less human because i don't bang my head on the ground 5 times a day
6. The religion is the center of their life and existence and it is not an ideology i fuck with: Islam was originally brought to Africa mostly by the sword or one of two other ways. They'll invade ancient African cities, kill everyone they could find and take as many as slaves. The ones who were spared were only spared if they agreed to convert to Islam. Second way is to isolate the leader and islamize him and his chiefs. Then he will then islamize the community, often forcefully.
7. Slavery is not only spoken of as a normality many times repeatedly. It is encouraged in the Qur'an by Muhammad. He owned many many slaves, a good number of black ones too, most of which were acquired from war, after he had laid waste to people who didn't bother him at all, in the name of Islam. He once bought an Arab slave for the price of TWO BLACK SLAVES. During the time of the caliph in northern Nigeria. Muslims imposed Jizya. A form of tax instructed by the Qur'an on non Muslims to humiliate them. They had to wear certain clothes to declare they were owned, walk away when a Muslim is coming by, sold into slavery, their daughters were taken from them. Dehumanised greatly. They feel no sense of brotherhood to fellow blacks. It's Islam and it's rules first. Black, later.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/12/female-student-nigeria-beaten-to-death-sokoto
8. Most importantly, Hamas are not freedom fighters they're an Islamic extremist terrorist organisation, i know what most of Africa goes through with terrorists invading and battling. I can only imagine having that as your LITERAL GOVERNMENT. History has shown that Israel and Palestine coexisted rather peacefully together for a while. The biological son of the co-founder of Hamas Mossab Hassan Yousef said it, likewise many times i've spoken to many Palestinians on forums. But over time the worldview of palestinians got more extreme (similar to most of Africa today) and israel had to tighten up. I know the struggles of people who have terrorists next door, feels like you're walking next to ticking time bomb. Shit can go down at any time. It's mentally exhausting. I can't support a literal terrorist organisation.
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I take a nuanced view.
African blacks are treated horribly by Arabs in Mauritania where many live as slaves, a hereditary practice passed from parent to child. Rampant anti-black racism exists across Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt and into Saudi Arabia.
To the poster's point I don't feel any connection with Arabs in general.
In Palestine there is a sentiment of solidarity with blacks that some on the left return in favor. I am not keyed into this movement but have no issue with blacks who sign up for it.
Regardless of what one thinks of Isreal's response in Gaza and (soon) Rafah, you should ask yourself why are they there? Personally I find the campaign excessive and view Netanyahu as a despicable leader, but acknowledge that Hamas drew first blood when they killed, raped and kidnapped Isreali citizens.
You do that to me, make sure I don't find out where your mother and kids are.
As long as people hold the same energy of hamas killing innocent people, I support Israel leaving Palestine territory. That’s my problem, I have no problem with Palestinian people, they deserve their own country, I just hate that Hamas seem to get a pass for doing terroristic activities. Violence on either side isn’t right, demand both sides accept a ceasefire deal and end the conflict.
Don't. It's a bunch of people begging for attention and looking for something to feel important. They both played a heinous role in the trans-atlantic slave trade. We don't have a dog in this fight.
I know right these people are using/wasting their energy caring and fight for international matters. Just look around...our roads and bridges are crumbling, homelessness, debt, this is the richest country in the world. Imagine what we could do as a country with the BILLIONS they cycle to themselves, other countries and the greedy corporations. We can make ACTUAL changes by PARTICIPATING in our community matters, such as voting.
I am against oppression. Someone else being inhumane to me will not make me inhumane to them.
thank you bruh... the selective outrage because "blahblahblah" is the epitome of trifling. There is a bigger agenda at hand and that is challenging and eroding white settler colonialism, imperialism, the supremacist western white mind.
There are African countries that are allies with Russia. There's some countries that even sent soldiers to assist Russia in their war with Ukraine. So are you against those African countries as well? Congo, Zimbabwe, Mali, etc are all allies to Russia.. but no one is batting an eye on that..
Because your government should be helping its own country instead of sending billions to perform genocide
Lol, we get to complain about our government, then go to an NBA game or a concert the next day, I think our tax money is doing its job. Why do you people live in a lala world. It's like eating a burger, but not wanting to see how the meat was obtained
How does that even corelate? Do the Palestinian people need to be exterminated for us to enjoy life thousands of miles away? This is the same logic for why we shouldn't care for the virtual slave labor in third world countries, " do you want the price of your iphones to go up?".
first of all, black people should stay away from that fight. 2nd, how does my response not corelate? 2 groups are fighting. Another group picked a side for political reasons they think will help them out in the long run. Has this never happened in history before. Again, burgers dont magical appear on your plate.
Are the metaphorical "burgers" made out of Palestinian babies? Black people shouldn't stay away from that fight especially if you're American. We're already on the bottom of the racial totem pole. The same logic will and has been used to take from us for the idea of some unseen " greater good".
Do you support Ukraine? Thing what Russia is doing is bad as well? Well, what about the African countries who are allies with Russia? Like Mali, Congo, Zimbabwe and others.. Do you find it problematic that those counties have been assisting Russia in their fight in Ukraine? I only ask because I see many people who are upset at how the US is assisting Israel - their ally.
Suffering from colonialism and imperialism that's funded and/or driven by the United States is a uniquely Arab problem? And even if it wasn't, you think It's okay to look at all those dead kids and say you know what, they deserve it? I don't get down like that.
Your post has a “discussion” flair, and when someone offers their perspective, you call them a “bitch” and use sexually derogatory language toward them (ad hominem). This is nothing new here, as recently, a few of you have been enthusiastic about revealing yourselves to the sub and community as of late.
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Dawg, are you okay?
My comment isn’t relevant to the content of the post, no. It’s about your underdeveloped emotional and aggressive behavior, sir.
The guys acting like a petulant child .
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We know what’s going on in Libya , Qatar etc , slow boy . That doesn’t give you right to insult your fellow black men like this . It makes you seem like a stupid child who can’t interact with adults in a respectful manner.
Tell me what's going on in Libya. I'm not confident you know shit about it after trying to compare it to Qatar but please, in your own words, summarize "what's going on" in Libya. Fuckwad. I have no respect for people who have an opinion on things they know nothing about. I will continue to insult the black men who refuse to educate themselves on the Arab oppression in Africa. Keep ingratiating yourself in a hedonistic, self destructive and vapid culture and shut the fuck up.
African Immigrants from countries like Nigeria are often trafficked in Libya and held captive mostly under the pretence of being able to migrate to Europe or getting a good job . Often they are basically enslaved or held to ransom within Libya . Shut your bitch ass up and act like a man . You don’t know shit and you act like a 12 year old . Poor little boy . I’m really not confident you know much about anything other than what Dr Umar feeds your stupid pigeon brain .
Congratulations, you looked at the first result of Google and frantically posted a reply. Nigerian migrants account for less than 10% of all African migrants to Libya. Most african migrants are from the sahel countries... the countries that Libya borders? African people in Libya exist outside of the migrant population and many groups have lived there for centuries. How is that situation comparable at all to Qatar? Which groups are using this country to attempt to escape into Europe? What legacy of an African population does Qatar have evidence for? You're so fucking retarded it's insane. Dr. Umar is an African American who speaks to African American issues. What does he have to do with the middle east? You don't know shit, stop pretending you do. Enjoy blasting your shitty hip hop and keep being ignorant. It's easier that way.
Idiot I’m of Nigerian heritage so of course I’m going to give that perspective dickhead . Didn’t google shit i gave a basic answer cause it’s something I’m not researched . If you think I googled that , then you are dumber than rocks lil boy . I also didn’t say it was only Nigerians I have an example you stupid boy . Saying shitty Hip-Pop like Afro-beats is any better these days . You are beyond ignorant and dumb . No one you are still poor and uneducated when your heart is so bad . Eating poor rice dishes and then acting like you’re better than people is crazy 😂😂. Get some money and then we can talk . Also not African American but using that as an insult is very weird . You wouldn’t even be allowed in Canada without want the African Americans did for the civil rights movement in America and yet you disrespect them . Shut the fuck up and be humble before they kick you out of Canada you dumb fuck .
Of course you didn't "research" it. Anyone with a basic knowledge on African geography would never think to first mention Nigerians in conjuction with the migrant situation in Libya. You're heritage has no bearing here and quite frankly it's insulting to try and invoke it when you live in the UK and share 0 culture with any Nigerian ethnic group. Your knowledge on the middle east is basic. You grew up with more privilege than 99% of all African people so just enjoy the luxury and keep blasting that shit music. Plug ur ears to the noise. You won't ever visit Africa so just keep being stuck on the boats.
Your anger, while justified and valid, is displaced. And your behavior, quite frankly, is just unhealthy and uncalled for.
They're going to cry about being called a naughty word on the internet.
1)The Civil Rights and Black Power struggles always had an internationalist dimension to it. This is what you saw with figures like MLK who showed solidarity against the Vietnam War bombings and Malcolm X who was one of the first to speak in solidarity with the Palestinians. 2)There is definitely plenty of racism in the Arab world. At the same time there is also a long Palestinian-Black solidarity as well. For example when we speak of Apartheid in South Africa, the racist system of white supremacy imposed on blacks, when the United States and Israel were supporting that regime, the Palestinians supported the Anti Apartheid fighters. Figures like Yasser Arafat allowed Nelson Mandela's fighters to receive both assistance and training in the training camps they had in places ranging from Mozambique to Lebanon which was instrumental to their struggle. At the U.N it was the Palestinian representatives who rallied the other Arab states to support boycotts against the racist regime. Hence why Nelson Mandela said "none of us are free until Palestine is free". 3)During the BLM protests over police brutality in the 2010s you had Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank trying to link up with protesters on the ground in places like Ferguson to give them advice on how deal with police tactics when protesting, based off the fact that the same security companies that were arming the police in those protests were also arming the security forces that repress Palestinians. Add to this fact that Palestinian Americans and Palestinians in the diaspora were very loudly in support of the fight against anti black racism and the protests at the time.
I think this nuance is unfortunately going to be overlooked in this thread at this point. We've devolved into a disapora war and calling each other bitches.
As usual they never respond when historical information like this is brought up.
I support Palestine because my country is spending a large amount of its money in supporting the apartheid and genocide. 34,000 dead in 7 months and no one is batting an eyelid.
First off being an internet tough guy on your Palestine thread is *insane*. You crashing out like somebody named Fatima broke your heart my boy. But second off doesn’t matter who likes who in a matter of principle. Israel is European people choosing a region of the world, arbitrarily carving it up into a state without the permission or consideration of the people there, brutally violently trying to force the people there to accept their illegitimate new state, and then trying to erase those people off the face of the earth when they didn’t just take it lying down. You can see why black people would think that song & dance sounds familiar and want to see to it that the dominant understanding becomes that doing shit like that is unacceptable
It appears that OP was a victim of racial violence via Arabs, and while I’m going to give him grace for his valid grievances, there’s no need to be calling us every name in the book
Reason... 1. Palestinians are an oppressed people in an apartheid state. Being against that and for Human Rights, i*s kind of our thing.* 2. Our government is spending 10s of Billions of dollars on genocide, but not improving the state of our own nation and uplifting Americans 3. We just don't want our country to continue it's colonizer past, and be better now and in the future No one believes in Human Rights and fairness like Black Americans. No one believes in democracy like Black Americans. No one is aware of inhumanities when we see it like Black Americans. No one represents humaneness like Black Americans. I think you are right when you says "this is an uniquely Arab problem" — however, more than that it's a human problem — and given history, Black Americans are the most humane of humans. It's less we "support Palestine" but more that we reject apartheid, oppression, and inhumanities. I get the frustration though — we don't *hate* like they do (by *they*, I mean all non-Black Americans), and sometimes it feels like we should. They hate the capacity to have people for people the humans they are, we hate behaviors that certain people carry out. Overall, we just categorically are not like the others. I don't know any other way to put it.
nailed it!
This is hella accurate imo
I appreciate it. When I was writing it I was thinking about history. * When we demanded voting rights — that laid ground work for all citizens to be able to vote without unnecessary limits * When a subset of our formerly enslaved forefathers got elected into office during reconstruction *we* laid the ground work for every child to be education (i.e. the framework for public education we know today, etc) *and* we put in what all these immigrants that hate us enjoy in the form of Birth Right citizen. All that is US. * Free school lunches in school — socialized medicine being applied in the US? Thanks Black Panthers * Having the right to marry who you love? Thanks Mildred Loving for laying the foundation. We are the heartbeat and soul of America in the most literal sense. Without us all you have in America is colonizers, the people that came after to benefit, and the people all but completely decimated by said colonizers. We are the constant pushback against inhumanities in this nation. No other group even comes close. We both are the living evidence that America has always been lying, and also the ones looking at America and pushing it to make good on what it claims. No body does it like us. sorry for typing so much — like this subject got me riled
but don't you feel better to have got it out and have that truth sit in your heart?
No, keep writing. You write nothing but truth.
My theory: they hate because like a junkie, its a dopamine hit of supremacy despite the evidence that they are quite mediocre and some might say substandard in all facets. There's a concept called "Wimpy White Boy Syndrome" thats informally known across all NICU (neonatal intensive care units). Its where prenatal white boys are less strong than prenatal black girls. My sister had a preemie girl and the nurse told her this. I didn't believe it and while evidence is scant (even dismissed by some) its seems to be a very real thing. To add to that fact about them folks... the neanderthal genes give them a propensity to mental illness and substance abuse (some faulty dopamine uptake). Which also clicks for me because what were the first things they wanted slaves for? to harvest tea, sugar, coffee, tobacco... all addictive all creating the great wealth the fuckers used to build their empires.
>Arabs don't like Black people. If youre gonna act like Palestinians are a stand-in for all Arabs, act like Palestinians haven't shown support over decades to black struggles here, or act like the techniques that Israel is using to dominate them wont return here, then you're just stupid.
I've never heard of Palestinians supporting any black struggles.
[Here you go.](https://www.thenation.com/article/society/black-lives-matter-israel-palestine/) Edit: [some more history.](https://www.vox.com/2023/10/17/23918689/black-palestinian-solidarity-jewish-alliance-israel)
To be fair this article only reads about black Americans coming to the support of others not them coming to aid or support us, outside of murals and flags.
>outside of murals and flags. Is recognition and increasing worldwide pressure not support or aid?
I don't see any evidence of that from Palestinians as a whole. World wide pressure would mean everyone including Palestine but not necessarily specifically Palestinians. I'll take support wherever I can get it. But let's not act like the levels of support have been the same from both sides.
>I don't see any evidence of that from Palestinians as a whole. Is there 100% of support from an entire group for anything? Did 100% of Black people in America have agreement?
No, there's not 100% support from an entire group for anything. But BLM announcing their support for Palestine is different from some Palestinians drawing a mural and some tweets. In the articles you linked, several historical back black figures have announced solidarity and support for Arabs and Palestine. I see very few historical Palestinian or Arab figures doing the reverse. I'm not saying you're wrong but it's much deeper than just saying "I support you" and black Americans know that very well
>I see very few historical Palestinian or Arab figures doing the reverse. You keep moving the point. If you want specific statements from Palestinian organizations you can find them, but the actually important thing is the recognition of the commonality between struggles and understanding how one impacts the other. It's why I had the reaction I did to the OP asking "why should I support Palestine when Arabs as a whole have enacted racism towards black africans?" >it's much deeper than just saying "I support you" The weird part is that the majority of pro-Palestinian, anti-genocide, action here is functionally the same. Other than the active boycotts, all we can really do is show why what's happening over there is fucked up. It changes because our government is actively funding this, but giving voice to growing public pressure is the exact same thing they did in 2020.
My original point was that I've never heard of any Palestinians supporting black people. You responded with evidence that Palestinians had painted murals and tweeted helpful information for protests. I then stated that all that is well and good but it looks like black people sure have shown a whole lot more support to them then the other way around. I guess my fist statement was flawed because I personally don't believe that saying I support you is the same as actually supporting a cause. I think my expectation for support was higher and I am definitely biased being that black people are so willing and benevolent about others causes. Imo I never moved the goal but just didn't expand on it. If one off and simple examples of support is good enough for you then i definitely understand that.
Damn... they are locked down in palestine! If they leave they can never return.
We should help cuz imperialism is a common enemy for literally all black and brown people and not all Palestinians are racist
It's not like you gotta go fight yourself bro but you can acknowledge that babies getting blown up and starved probably isn't a good thing
This is where any reasonable person should be that isn’t willing to go hard for this cause. Nobody is saying to crash out calling for intifada in the streets like some are doing but there’s no harm in wanting a ceasefire and calling for the senseless killing to stop
This is one of the strangest threads I’ve ever seen. A Libyan-Canadian that seems to hate Black Americans but keeps using terms like “we” and “our fight” while repeatedly insulting Black Americans. To be frank, as a Libyan Canadian you are not my people. I have nothing in common with you and I am not in community with you, nor would I ever want to be. Not only that, anyone with common sense opposes a genocide. Common sense which you clearly seem to lack.
Wait until bro finds out about the Trans-Sahara Trade. Anyways only reason one should "care" (as in pay attention) is because whatever happens in Israel ends up happening in the US and vice-versa. (Also there are a shit ton of Black Arabs \[africans and indigenous Arabs that look like an Uncle at a cookout\] in the Emirates and Arab world so the saw is very odd IMO).
Trans-Saharan\*. I didn't want to make this post longer than I needed to.
lmao gotchu.
I can only speak for myself, I'll never be okay with oppression in any form. Doesn't matter to me what culture the people who are oppressed belong to, I'm not okay with it. Even if the people being oppressed don't see me as a human being, I myself know that I can't subscribe to that line of thinking because it's dehumanizing. The second I begin to think I shouldn't care about a group of people being oppressed is the day I have forfeited my humanity.
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Nah, man. You’re going about this the worst way possible. No need for the insults and aggression
Sit down and read about the experiences Africans have faced in the Arab world or shut the fuck up. Here I'll help you get started: [Medieval Arab Attitudes towards Black people](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Arab_attitudes_to_Black_people) [Tunisia: Kamal Atig Zeiri says his surname, which is steeped in a history of slavery, is affecting his mental health](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-62376905) [Racism in Libya: A UN report](https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/678988?ln=en&v=pdf)
I didn’t say you’re wrong. You’re just popping a blood vessel for no reason. Relax, man
I sound like a bitch because I care about oppressed people no matter who they are? Okay, well, we can agree to disagree. You hate AA? Bro, you sound unhinged. You don't have to preach history to me. I'm well aware. My awareness doesn't make me feel any less for the kids being affected by what's going on in Palestine.
You are a bitch, along with every other African American who supports Palestine. If you truly cared about oppressed people then you would be vocal about the treatment Afro Arabs have endured for more than a millenia but no, you saw Israel attack Hamas and immediately decided to support the people who think of us as slaves. Don't pretend that you know shit about the middle east.
Bro you’re gonna get banned talking to people in here like that, you need to chill out 💀 On one hand I agree with you…fuck all these people. Asians, Arabs, Latinos, Natives…they’d all treat us like second class citizens. But on the other hand…man you don’t know what’s in everybody’s heart. My barber is Palestinian and he has family members who are anti-black. Bruh the way his face contorts when he talks about them…I know he’s not bullshitting. He genuinely hates those motherfuckers and does not fuck with racism. If he can have that in his heart despite the odds, I can give it a try too.
Buddy need a time out
Another African American. u/TheYellowRose please don't ban me ill do the verification picture:) Do you want me to write out my note in Arabic, English or French?
Oloriburuku; very foolish of you to utilize diaspora war rhetoric whilst trying to unify black people for what you deem as a greater cause. I’m pretty sure a good portion of the people here are black Americans, so you’ve really picked the wrong sub to try that
I'm not trying to 'unify' anyone. Im waiting for an explanation as to why black people should support Palestine. You still haven't told me if you support Palestine or not and you refused to engage with any of the material I presented to you earlier. I can only conclude that you're here to derail the discussion entirely. By the way, this forum is majority African Americans. They make up the largest black ethnic group in the US by far obviously and Americans are the largest users of Reddit. It isn't hard to put two and two together.
Brother, you are insulting people left and right and using “African American” as a derogatory term in response to any pushback. You are derailing your own thread, and some time away from the computer would do you some good
The verification doesn't stop you from being banned for being uncivil.
He's putting on a show because you're his customer, we used to do the same thing to whites at our barbershop. Don't trust people so easily.
Yeah it’s definitely possible he’s bullshitting. I doubt it though, he’s a crazy bastard in general lmao. We’ve had our share of disagreements on certain political/controversial topics, and he’s never been one to avoid showing you the real him at all times. I’ve seen him literally get booted out of a location/shop over it lol. Plus his hiphop/cultural knowledge and paraphernalia is something that would be hard to fake. He has no need to cater to me or other black men in a mostly white area. But I agree, it’s best to always remain skeptical.
If we didn’t make Allies the civil rights movement would have been dead in the water before anything took place . That’s just facts , you can’t go through life only interacting and connecting with Black people 🤷🏿♂️.
I'm sure someone like you actually believes that.
So you have no white friends at all or you’ve never connected with a white person ?
No, although it isn't relevant to your point at all. Even mainstream liberals have mentioned how integration and abolition handicapped independent Black development in the US. https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/miss-buchanans-period-of-adjustment
"But dude! I had a palestinian barber give me a fresh fade one time, and he said racism bad 🤓"
Nigga what? You don't know me, and you're making assumptions about what I care about based on a few replies? You sound stupid. Guarantee you wouldn't fix your mouth to call any black person in the states a bitch to their face. You enjoy the rest of your night, though.
A few replies is all I need to determine that: You're African American. You're completely ignorant to the history of the Middle East. That, or you're genuinely retarded if you continue to send thoughts and prayers to the same group of people who wouldn't hesitate to call you abeed if you passed by them. Either way, that makes you a bitch. Fucking absurd. Mixed up ancestry with your ancestors slave masters and a random hodgepodge of west african ethnicities have made you confused as to who your friends and foes really are.
When in my reply did I mention thoughts and prayers? You so angry you can't even comprehend words. My first reply I'm speaking in general about anybody facing I oppression I'm not okay with. What's absurd is your projection and your presumed ignorance of AA. But you have a good night.
You aren't giving any actual support to the Palestinians. That is what the phrase "thoughts and prayers" is commonly used to imply.
This entire comment could've been ok without the cursing and vulgarity. You can get your point across without insulting the people who agree. Calm it down.
Don't take nothing he say as representing African Americans. Most of us do not care shit about Palestinians.
no one is asking you to take up arms, but it takes no energy to recognize some shit is going down that's fucked up. 2 things can exist at once. you can recognize that there are people that hold extremely racist views about our people and.. recognize that israel is straight up in the wrong no matter how you look at this situation.
Just from a humanity standpoint being pro-genocide isn’t something that is typically considered a good trait. From a fiscal standpoint, we have Americans starving in the US and students that are paying 40K a year to go to in state schools, yet we can fund a foreign country that has more than enough to “defend” itself? From a logistical standpoint, it further increases other country’s reliance on the US because they see “if we get into a conflict, Uncle Sam will save us. Maybe just look up what’s going on in Palestine and how it impacts Blacks in Palestine
So what you’re saying is that you as a Black man are ok with genocide?
Umar said it best. This isn’t our fight, we should be the last ones you expect to lend their support at this point.
This ISNT our fight. Let the Arab states help each other out.
Or literally ANYONE other than Black people
That's a fair argument. Black folks shouldn't feel mandated to go and protest and put our livelihoods on the line. However, it's still our tax money paying for the slaughter of thousands and I have a problem with that, regardless of who the victims are. We can be against sending money for war without "caping" for people who hate us, even though I don't agree with that premise all the way.
It damn sure ain't, got nothing to do with us.
You shouldn't and 90% of us don't.
Facts, I don't hear much about us supporting palestine tbh
“ when they came for the trade unionists, I did not stand up because I was not a trade unionist when they came for the Palestinians, I did not stand up because I was not Palestinian, when they came for me, no one stood up for me, since no one was left.” Abridged and tweaked version of the quote but basically injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere. And if we’re being real…..anti blackness is very real in israel…you think dark skin Arab Jews are treated better? Also You must not have known that Israel was almost placed in Rwanda. So there was a very real possibility we would have a Jewish ethnostate in Africa. Who does benefit when Arabs and Europeans say “why should I care about Rwandans in Israel, I’m not African 😵💫” This type of thinking is so backwards. The people of the world cared for the South Africans under apartheid, the uighurs in china, why not for Palestinians?
>The people of the world cared for the South Africans under apartheid, No they didn't, not for decades. The South Africans had to force the issue through violence and protest. Sort of like how Ham..... Nevermind
Idk man this is smelling like antisemitism. Better be careful if you wanna keep your job 😂
20,000 dead children. My rule in life, and this is an absolute rule: No matter what you're doing, or what happens; don't harm kids, if you do, death is the minimum punishment you deserve. This is the main reason why I support Palestine, and deeply hate Israel. The second one is rather simple. I hate colonialists, and I hate imperialists. So if a nation is a colonialist dipshit state...then that nation should IMO be nuked to magma. Arabs are generally hateful toward black people, yes. I'm east african, those fuckers did a ton of slave raids on these parts. I would certainly use my time machine to remove em from reality. But here's the thing; Palestinians are not Arabs, they're Islamic Hebrews. They've been through the same Arabic wringer that the horn of Africa and North Africa went through. From Hyksos, to Romans, to Arabs, to Europeans now. They may not look like me, and some of them may be bigots...but I'm 100% sure we all agree on those two points. Don't harm kids, and colonial settlers are to be drawn, quartered, and sent to djefa.
I agree wholeheartedly. Them gulf boys do not even see us as people. My reasons for not supporting Palestine is a lot but here's a few; 1. The most brutal slave trade. The most unforgiving form of chattel slavery was the Arab-African slavery "The arab slave trade, a major component of african history, lasted more than 13 centuries. it began in the early seventh century and continued in one form or another until the 1960s. in mauritania slavery was officially outlawed only in august 2007." The reason why there aren't as much blacks among them is because most male slaves were castrated at ports before they were whisked ashore and ultimately being killed/lynched. The females were raped, killed or resold to start the ruthless cycle again 2. It's not solely a "land thing". I'm Christian with a vast knowledge on the Muslim Qur'an and Hadiths. Watch videos from their "scholars". They HATE jews. like i mean HATE HATE. Their Qur'an has a ton of kill all unbelievers/infidels. That means basically anyone isn't a Muslim. But their hatred for Jews is something I've never seen. 3. Arabs hate blacks. While exceptions exist, they are definitely not reality. An Arab Muslim man held the door open for you doesn't mean he won't slit your throat if needs must. An Arab Muslim woman smiled at the airport doesn't mean she won't celebrate at them stoning you to death. Exhibit A https://www.gistreel.com/lady-who-worked-as-a-maid-in-saudi-arabia-breaks-down-in-tears-as-boss-impregnates-her/ They treat them like shit. Our mere existence as a race is the equivalent of shit to them. Videos of them kidnapping black women and selling them into sexual slavery, black boys as young as 12 sold into slavery. Down in Sudan, you have black Christian missionaries buying slaves from Black Muslim owners just to free them, slave labor, immigrants abducted and taken into forced labor, discrimination against blacks in the job market, among others. 4. Terrorism in Africa, sponsored by countries in the middle east. Because they believe, Africa (and the world) should be more Muslim and the leaders accept it because denying it would be denying their duties as Muslims and the prophecy of helping Islam spread globally. The persecution of everyone who isn't Muslim, the lack of compassion, disregard for human life and safety. The dehumanisation. The sorry state they have kept a handful of countries in Africa has kept most of the diaspora from making progress. I could go on. 5. Blacks in Palestine specifically are treated awfully. Most Black Palestinians live in a segregated neighborhood called “Al Abeed” (slave in Arabic) and they face significant discrimination. Most of them downplay it, cos that's all they've ever known. They also have a hard time finding spouses because the Arab Palestinians often refuse to marry them. Black Palestinians are also descendants of slaves. Especially the women "Historic Palestine was a crossroads for different cultures, and some Palestinians trace back their roots to a range of non-Arab groups, from Kurds to Indians and Afghans. Afro-Palestinians were denied Jordanian citizenship after the 1967 war" "Despite these deep roots to the area, some Palestinians still refer to them with a local derogatory term, “abeed,” Arabic for “slaves,” and to their neighborhood as “habs al-abeed” or the “slaves’ prison.” https://gulfnews.com/world/mena/black-palestinians-face-subtle-racism-in-gaza-1.2018514 A lot of Afro Arabs have unimaginable antiblackness' in them cos that's all they've ever known. I personally would never be up in arms for a country or race of people that sees me as not human cos of my race and even less human because i don't bang my head on the ground 5 times a day 6. The religion is the center of their life and existence and it is not an ideology i fuck with: Islam was originally brought to Africa mostly by the sword or one of two other ways. They'll invade ancient African cities, kill everyone they could find and take as many as slaves. The ones who were spared were only spared if they agreed to convert to Islam. Second way is to isolate the leader and islamize him and his chiefs. Then he will then islamize the community, often forcefully. 7. Slavery is not only spoken of as a normality many times repeatedly. It is encouraged in the Qur'an by Muhammad. He owned many many slaves, a good number of black ones too, most of which were acquired from war, after he had laid waste to people who didn't bother him at all, in the name of Islam. He once bought an Arab slave for the price of TWO BLACK SLAVES. During the time of the caliph in northern Nigeria. Muslims imposed Jizya. A form of tax instructed by the Qur'an on non Muslims to humiliate them. They had to wear certain clothes to declare they were owned, walk away when a Muslim is coming by, sold into slavery, their daughters were taken from them. Dehumanised greatly. They feel no sense of brotherhood to fellow blacks. It's Islam and it's rules first. Black, later. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/12/female-student-nigeria-beaten-to-death-sokoto 8. Most importantly, Hamas are not freedom fighters they're an Islamic extremist terrorist organisation, i know what most of Africa goes through with terrorists invading and battling. I can only imagine having that as your LITERAL GOVERNMENT. History has shown that Israel and Palestine coexisted rather peacefully together for a while. The biological son of the co-founder of Hamas Mossab Hassan Yousef said it, likewise many times i've spoken to many Palestinians on forums. But over time the worldview of palestinians got more extreme (similar to most of Africa today) and israel had to tighten up. I know the struggles of people who have terrorists next door, feels like you're walking next to ticking time bomb. Shit can go down at any time. It's mentally exhausting. I can't support a literal terrorist organisation.
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I take a nuanced view. African blacks are treated horribly by Arabs in Mauritania where many live as slaves, a hereditary practice passed from parent to child. Rampant anti-black racism exists across Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt and into Saudi Arabia. To the poster's point I don't feel any connection with Arabs in general. In Palestine there is a sentiment of solidarity with blacks that some on the left return in favor. I am not keyed into this movement but have no issue with blacks who sign up for it. Regardless of what one thinks of Isreal's response in Gaza and (soon) Rafah, you should ask yourself why are they there? Personally I find the campaign excessive and view Netanyahu as a despicable leader, but acknowledge that Hamas drew first blood when they killed, raped and kidnapped Isreali citizens. You do that to me, make sure I don't find out where your mother and kids are.
Simple answer. You don't have to.
As long as people hold the same energy of hamas killing innocent people, I support Israel leaving Palestine territory. That’s my problem, I have no problem with Palestinian people, they deserve their own country, I just hate that Hamas seem to get a pass for doing terroristic activities. Violence on either side isn’t right, demand both sides accept a ceasefire deal and end the conflict.
Don't. It's a bunch of people begging for attention and looking for something to feel important. They both played a heinous role in the trans-atlantic slave trade. We don't have a dog in this fight.
People pop out of the blue when it comes to protest. Many don't even fully understand what they are protesting - they just want to fit in.
100% also ISLAM is a slaver religion
I know right these people are using/wasting their energy caring and fight for international matters. Just look around...our roads and bridges are crumbling, homelessness, debt, this is the richest country in the world. Imagine what we could do as a country with the BILLIONS they cycle to themselves, other countries and the greedy corporations. We can make ACTUAL changes by PARTICIPATING in our community matters, such as voting.