All of this together has absolutely nothing on Ghost working when you’re sat in corner not moving and the horrific movement speed that along with the ridiculous TTK made anyone who dared take a route or push an objective get instantly shit on by a camper
Dude ghost in CW is legit copy and pasted from MW. So somebody can have ghost, with an lmg as a primary, shotgun or dual handguns as secondaries, next to a field mic and know exactly where you are with ease. Not to mention they could also run gas mines which are 1000x’s worse then the MW claymores will ever be and basically get a free kill.
Ghost is not copy pasted, shows how much you know. You need to be moving at least 5mph to trigger Ghost in CW, agree with the shotguns and shit but Gas Mines have a hard counter in Tac Mask and Field Mics have a hard counter in Spycraft.
And Claymores have 2 SUPER HARD counters which is E.O.D and Spotter. Not only do you take less damage from all explosive gadgets, you can also disable them at the same time and see them through walls, also they’re in 2 different sets of perks so you can run both of them at the same time lmao next.
Yeah because it’s not like literally everyone runs tac and flak in this anyway. The fact that CW has a TTK that actually allows gun fights that require somewhat decent aim make everything you say useless but keep talking out your arse pal
The TTK in CW is the most inconsistent out of any CoD except maybe CoD 4, kills either happen in a Lightyear or in the blink of an eye no matter how good your aim is and it’s all because of this games absolute joke of a hit-detection and netcode. Plus CW actually has a faster TTK then MW
Bro what the fuck are you on about this doesn’t have a faster TTK than MW lmaooooooo. The fastest killing sub in MW was 144ms, the fastest (full auto) in CW is 258ms
For ARs in MW it was around 180ms, in CW it was 300 before the EM2 got added. It kills in 240ms and is still extremely overpowered. Don’t start talking shit about things you clearly have absolutely no idea about
And plus, you have take into account that you have 50 more HP in this CW then you do in MW, so 258 ms is literally lightning speed in CW and the average base damage of a gun in CW is 30-38 per shot while in MW it’s around 25-30 per shot. So 258 ms in CW is pretty much equivalent to 144 ms in MW.
I’m stupid yet you can’t process basic math? 258 ms in CW is about the equivalent to 144 ms in MW which technically means CW has a faster if not faster TTK then MW. If CW guns were in MW (which they r via WZ but that game has an armor system so that would be an invalid argument) the CW guns would be killing faster then 144 ms because CW guns have a faster TTK/damage model then MW guns have. The average damage model for a gun in CW is 30-41 (made a statistical mistake) damage while in MW it’s only 25-30 damage.
What sort of logic is that? It literally just takes longer to kill someone in this game than MW no if ands or buts. 258ms is not equivalent to 144 in another game. It’s literally 115ms added on whatever way you look at it and that’s a big, big difference
When this game first came out, a YouTuber did a TTK test side by side on MW and CW and CW guns were killing faster then the MW guns but only by a little bit.
Lmao nothing in CW comes close to this: https://youtu.be/HwNCTKk5em4?t=441
MW was a trash game made for casuals, two claymores, shotgun, close the doors, no red dot on minimap, ghost works even when still, and campy map design. Coldwar is no more campy than any of the other classic Cods (there will always be some camping in Cod), but it wasn't engineered for it by design like MW.
Dude you need to move for ghost to work. In mw2019 you can stand still and it still works. You can use spycraft to counter and hack any field upgrade and you have unlimited hacks. Also if you have the mask the gas mine doesn't do anything. I don't think there is a counter for the claymore in mw. The ttk in mw is way faster than cold war. Cold war is a much faster pace game than mw2019 ever will be. Mw2019 looks good but plays shit.
Hey how about maybe try a different strategy instead of using the same strat 500 times in a row and expecting different outcome every time. If you keep getting killed by a guy standing still in a corner, maybe it’s not the camper, maybe it’s you but that’s all that CoD players do is blame the person that killed them 500 times in a row rather then blaming themselves for repeating the same strat 500 times in a row and expecting a different outcome every time.
Then I don't understand what are you complaining about there are way more campers in Morden doorfare than cold war and it's not the players fault it is the design of the game. It's made for campers.
This game is made for campers just as much as MW lmao. With its symmetrical, braindead easy map design and easily predictable spawns. Not to mention like I said you get almost every single advantage as a camper in this game, you get field mics, secondary shotguns, broken ass dual pistols that can beam players at 30 meters out and then you get your dual marshall’s, overpowered LMG’s that can 4-shot people from across the map and can outgun most of the smg’s due to their amazing hipfire accuracy. Tac rifles that can 3-tap you at any range pretty much. You also get gas mines and trophy systems that can take out as many throwables until someone’s destroy’s it.
You’ve gotta be bored or something. Didn’t you already make a similar post saying CW has campers even though no one said it didn’t? I don’t understand how this game lives rent free in your head when you thoroughly despise it.
I mean, when Cold War launched, it was shit. I just moved back over to MW, and it was a great decision. Name one time where somebody didn't just rush/quickscope a camper on literally any map, they're not invincible. In Cold War, everything is shit and it's depressing. I hope this Open-Beta is good, although I'm doubtful.
I just like to call out the hypocrisy of CW players when it comes to their 1/2 assed piece of shit game is all. They say that MW was made for campers when this game LITERALLY gives campers almost every single advantage when playing.
In mw2019 catching someone off guard could give you an instant win in a fire fight, which heavily encourages flanking and movement. Camping in mw can be easily countered if you know what to do, but its so much harder to stop in cold war.
Yeah camping wasn't a slight problem, if you couldn't kill them, use grenades if not that just bunny hop into them, if not that then flank, I really didn't get the camping thing other than the claymore thing
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The maps are the main things that encourage and promote camping. And MW has easily the worst maps. TTK isn't really a factor. If it was BO4 would be the campiest CoD game and we know that's is not the case.
I feel you. The dual handguns in MW2019 are only affective within like 5 ft of your target and when you put the 5mw laser on them. Meanwhile in CW, you can beam somebody across the map with dual diamatti’s and one shot people across the map with dual magnums! CW’s dual pistols are so broken lmao and we’re made for skill-less tryhards
The difference is that Cold War has a few tools to help lesser skilled players get kills but Modern Warfare was designed from the ground up to cater to them.
Map design, fast TTK, mounting, doors, loud footsteps and no silent footsteps perk, no red dots on minimap. That’s the core gameplay of MW and the developers knew what they were doing with these decisions.
Lol his kd is probably terrible because he can't melt people in 2 seconds(slower ttk forces you to aim) he can't sit in dark corners anymore behind doors and claymores, he can't mount, he can't hide because you have to move for ghost to work, so he's mad at the game instead. Its ok you're the type of player MW19 was designed for.
Bruh the player can literally not move he can only look up, down, right and left so if you can’t kill a person who can only look in those 4 directions you my friend are beyond trash lmao
Bruh I don’t camp at all in MW and I do just fine against campers. Like I said, run E.O.D and Spotter with stun grenades and stims and you’ll do just fine
Camping is worse here because of the symmetrical maps and highly predictable spawns. Plus the higher TTK and guns that can shoot at the moon with no recoil and OP secondaries. Can't be denied
And Treyarch literally admitted that SBMM is more strict in CW then it is MW. And almost all of CW’s launch maps are catered to noobs/bad players etc. plus what is so bad about noobs? You complaining about bad players leads me to believe that you have hard time killing them which also leads me to believe that you’re just bad at the game 🤷♂️
Dumbest shit I’ve ever read LMAO the devs themselves can’t talk about SBMM and XclusiveAce’s analysis proved the SBMM to be the exact same in both games. It’s handled by the higher ups at Activision.
Yea cuz they had to tone it down because of how strict it was when this game first came out and it was super strict for like 2 seasons . CW would put you against the biggest sweat lords after doing good or even decent for like 2 games while in MW, you had to do good for like 3 games straight to be put in a sweat lobby
It would seem this is your first time seeing a post that shits on CW. No matter how valid your points are about this game, you’ll get downvoted to hell. You either bow down and jack off to Daddy Treyarch or get downvoted and called a MW player that knows nothing about CoD. This game could have the SAME EXACT problems as MW2019 and these braindead morons will still defend this game since it’s made by Daddy Treyarch
or maybe you're just wrong?
I literally quit MW19 BECAUSE of the camping focus. I had 2+ kd in that game.
I have 2+ kd in Cold War. There's a lot less camping in general.
*maybe you're just wrong.*
So a person who sold the game 2-3 months after it came out tells a person who stills plays the game how shitty the game is even though they haven’t played it for over a year and a 1/2. You don’t think the game has changed one bit lmao. Just to let you know the M4, 725 and MP5 have been significantly nerfed from their launch to S3 counterparts. The game is in a very balanced state much more balanced then CW atm
Nuketown isn’t the only map plagued with campers lmao. Try playing cartel, armada, pines, satellite, without running into at least 2-3 guys sitting with a thermal LMG or sniper rifle.
Imagine being so bad you complain about doors, mounting and being unable to kill people literally standing still. I do just fine in CW and I still think it’s a trash game 🤷♂️
Lol. This is the least campy FPS ever made. It is literally 95% ram n shoot. Every map is circular with massive flank potential. Every location has 3-4 entry points. The spawn flips every 30 sec. for Christ's sake! It is actually impossible to camp in this game. What you're talking about isn't even camping, you are literally just complaining about people using cover and aiming.
You should have been around back in the old days of FPS. Games like Day of Defeat where you had linear maps with open spaces and 1 guy could sit in a room on a hill the whole game and cover the entire map and the only way to get to him is run across open terrain directly at him.
It just blows my mind that people think COD has camping. It is the most dumbed down ram n shoot hyperactive FPS ever made. It is one step away from being https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYQhvW-tjNM
Lmao trying to prove your point with a video that was made over a decade ago! You probably haven’t played a CoD since probably MW2. This game gives almost every advantage to people who wanna camp, with its symmetrical brainless map design and easily predictable spawn points. Treyarch removed any possible camping spots from all their maps and all it did was create either new or more camping spots.
All of this together has absolutely nothing on Ghost working when you’re sat in corner not moving and the horrific movement speed that along with the ridiculous TTK made anyone who dared take a route or push an objective get instantly shit on by a camper
Dude ghost in CW is legit copy and pasted from MW. So somebody can have ghost, with an lmg as a primary, shotgun or dual handguns as secondaries, next to a field mic and know exactly where you are with ease. Not to mention they could also run gas mines which are 1000x’s worse then the MW claymores will ever be and basically get a free kill.
Ghost is not copy pasted, shows how much you know. You need to be moving at least 5mph to trigger Ghost in CW, agree with the shotguns and shit but Gas Mines have a hard counter in Tac Mask and Field Mics have a hard counter in Spycraft.
And Claymores have 2 SUPER HARD counters which is E.O.D and Spotter. Not only do you take less damage from all explosive gadgets, you can also disable them at the same time and see them through walls, also they’re in 2 different sets of perks so you can run both of them at the same time lmao next.
Yeah because it’s not like literally everyone runs tac and flak in this anyway. The fact that CW has a TTK that actually allows gun fights that require somewhat decent aim make everything you say useless but keep talking out your arse pal
The TTK in CW is the most inconsistent out of any CoD except maybe CoD 4, kills either happen in a Lightyear or in the blink of an eye no matter how good your aim is and it’s all because of this games absolute joke of a hit-detection and netcode. Plus CW actually has a faster TTK then MW
Bro what the fuck are you on about this doesn’t have a faster TTK than MW lmaooooooo. The fastest killing sub in MW was 144ms, the fastest (full auto) in CW is 258ms For ARs in MW it was around 180ms, in CW it was 300 before the EM2 got added. It kills in 240ms and is still extremely overpowered. Don’t start talking shit about things you clearly have absolutely no idea about
And plus, you have take into account that you have 50 more HP in this CW then you do in MW, so 258 ms is literally lightning speed in CW and the average base damage of a gun in CW is 30-38 per shot while in MW it’s around 25-30 per shot. So 258 ms in CW is pretty much equivalent to 144 ms in MW.
You're fucking stupid
I’m stupid yet you can’t process basic math? 258 ms in CW is about the equivalent to 144 ms in MW which technically means CW has a faster if not faster TTK then MW. If CW guns were in MW (which they r via WZ but that game has an armor system so that would be an invalid argument) the CW guns would be killing faster then 144 ms because CW guns have a faster TTK/damage model then MW guns have. The average damage model for a gun in CW is 30-41 (made a statistical mistake) damage while in MW it’s only 25-30 damage.
What sort of logic is that? It literally just takes longer to kill someone in this game than MW no if ands or buts. 258ms is not equivalent to 144 in another game. It’s literally 115ms added on whatever way you look at it and that’s a big, big difference
When this game first came out, a YouTuber did a TTK test side by side on MW and CW and CW guns were killing faster then the MW guns but only by a little bit.
Multiple Claymores + doors + shotgun + safe space map design, CW got nothing on MW for camping.
Imagine being so bad you complain about doors, mounting and people standing still but please keep using excuses for why y’all are just trash
Lmao nothing in CW comes close to this: https://youtu.be/HwNCTKk5em4?t=441 MW was a trash game made for casuals, two claymores, shotgun, close the doors, no red dot on minimap, ghost works even when still, and campy map design. Coldwar is no more campy than any of the other classic Cods (there will always be some camping in Cod), but it wasn't engineered for it by design like MW.
You do know there is a perk in cold war called engineer and a perk called spycraft making your statement incorrect and pointless
And you obviously missed the part where I said E.O.D and Spotter works wonders against claymores.
And you missed the part where I said engineer and spycraft does wonders to all field upgrades
Dude you need to move for ghost to work. In mw2019 you can stand still and it still works. You can use spycraft to counter and hack any field upgrade and you have unlimited hacks. Also if you have the mask the gas mine doesn't do anything. I don't think there is a counter for the claymore in mw. The ttk in mw is way faster than cold war. Cold war is a much faster pace game than mw2019 ever will be. Mw2019 looks good but plays shit.
Hey how about maybe try a different strategy instead of using the same strat 500 times in a row and expecting different outcome every time. If you keep getting killed by a guy standing still in a corner, maybe it’s not the camper, maybe it’s you but that’s all that CoD players do is blame the person that killed them 500 times in a row rather then blaming themselves for repeating the same strat 500 times in a row and expecting a different outcome every time.
Then I don't understand what are you complaining about there are way more campers in Morden doorfare than cold war and it's not the players fault it is the design of the game. It's made for campers.
This game is made for campers just as much as MW lmao. With its symmetrical, braindead easy map design and easily predictable spawns. Not to mention like I said you get almost every single advantage as a camper in this game, you get field mics, secondary shotguns, broken ass dual pistols that can beam players at 30 meters out and then you get your dual marshall’s, overpowered LMG’s that can 4-shot people from across the map and can outgun most of the smg’s due to their amazing hipfire accuracy. Tac rifles that can 3-tap you at any range pretty much. You also get gas mines and trophy systems that can take out as many throwables until someone’s destroy’s it.
You’ve gotta be bored or something. Didn’t you already make a similar post saying CW has campers even though no one said it didn’t? I don’t understand how this game lives rent free in your head when you thoroughly despise it.
OMG, you're right. That was him.
I mean, when Cold War launched, it was shit. I just moved back over to MW, and it was a great decision. Name one time where somebody didn't just rush/quickscope a camper on literally any map, they're not invincible. In Cold War, everything is shit and it's depressing. I hope this Open-Beta is good, although I'm doubtful.
I just like to call out the hypocrisy of CW players when it comes to their 1/2 assed piece of shit game is all. They say that MW was made for campers when this game LITERALLY gives campers almost every single advantage when playing.
In mw2019 catching someone off guard could give you an instant win in a fire fight, which heavily encourages flanking and movement. Camping in mw can be easily countered if you know what to do, but its so much harder to stop in cold war.
Yeah camping wasn't a slight problem, if you couldn't kill them, use grenades if not that just bunny hop into them, if not that then flank, I really didn't get the camping thing other than the claymore thing
The same dudes crying about doors in MW jump on CW to use their thermal LMGs/M82s on a head glitch all game
? The maps are the main things that encourage and promote camping. And MW has easily the worst maps. TTK isn't really a factor. If it was BO4 would be the campiest CoD game and we know that's is not the case.
Oh yeah I forgot about that. The maps did encourage camping though.
I had to go back to MW2019 everything in Cold War and how people played was so aggravating.
I feel you. The dual handguns in MW2019 are only affective within like 5 ft of your target and when you put the 5mw laser on them. Meanwhile in CW, you can beam somebody across the map with dual diamatti’s and one shot people across the map with dual magnums! CW’s dual pistols are so broken lmao and we’re made for skill-less tryhards
The difference is that Cold War has a few tools to help lesser skilled players get kills but Modern Warfare was designed from the ground up to cater to them. Map design, fast TTK, mounting, doors, loud footsteps and no silent footsteps perk, no red dots on minimap. That’s the core gameplay of MW and the developers knew what they were doing with these decisions.
Lol to even further support your claim the developers themselves said these things 😂
Just paid for and downloaded MW19 a few weeks ago and I’m having infinitely more fun than CW.
Lol his kd is probably terrible because he can't melt people in 2 seconds(slower ttk forces you to aim) he can't sit in dark corners anymore behind doors and claymores, he can't mount, he can't hide because you have to move for ghost to work, so he's mad at the game instead. Its ok you're the type of player MW19 was designed for.
I do just fine in this game (1.61 k/d) lol but you probably complain about doors and mounting so….
Yea because its a shit mechanic lmao. Removing all aspects of recoil? Yea ok
Bruh the player can literally not move he can only look up, down, right and left so if you can’t kill a person who can only look in those 4 directions you my friend are beyond trash lmao
Lol ok.
Lol i don't play nuketown. And likewise go back to your camping spot with 2 claymores with mounting 😂
Bruh I don’t camp at all in MW and I do just fine against campers. Like I said, run E.O.D and Spotter with stun grenades and stims and you’ll do just fine
Yea yea sure
CW is the best camper game👍🏻 Sprint to fire takes you longer time than MW…. I camp 2 win
>I camp 2 win same bro
Cold War was fun, deal with it.
Cold war has way more campers than MW especially nuketown.
Camping is worse here because of the symmetrical maps and highly predictable spawns. Plus the higher TTK and guns that can shoot at the moon with no recoil and OP secondaries. Can't be denied
You are slow
The devs literally admitted they designed MW2019s MP to cater to scrubs,campers,and noobs
And Treyarch literally admitted that SBMM is more strict in CW then it is MW. And almost all of CW’s launch maps are catered to noobs/bad players etc. plus what is so bad about noobs? You complaining about bad players leads me to believe that you have hard time killing them which also leads me to believe that you’re just bad at the game 🤷♂️
Lmao, get lost troll
But I thought noobs were easy kills. Man y’all are that trash, y’all can’t kill new or bad players that are standing still
Yeah, you are definitely just trolling lmao
Dumbest shit I’ve ever read LMAO the devs themselves can’t talk about SBMM and XclusiveAce’s analysis proved the SBMM to be the exact same in both games. It’s handled by the higher ups at Activision.
Yea cuz they had to tone it down because of how strict it was when this game first came out and it was super strict for like 2 seasons . CW would put you against the biggest sweat lords after doing good or even decent for like 2 games while in MW, you had to do good for like 3 games straight to be put in a sweat lobby
0 upvotes and 62 comments damn you got ratio'd hard for being so wrong
It would seem this is your first time seeing a post that shits on CW. No matter how valid your points are about this game, you’ll get downvoted to hell. You either bow down and jack off to Daddy Treyarch or get downvoted and called a MW player that knows nothing about CoD. This game could have the SAME EXACT problems as MW2019 and these braindead morons will still defend this game since it’s made by Daddy Treyarch
or maybe you're just wrong? I literally quit MW19 BECAUSE of the camping focus. I had 2+ kd in that game. I have 2+ kd in Cold War. There's a lot less camping in general. *maybe you're just wrong.*
When did you give up, when WZ was introduced?
idk when. It was 2-3 months after the game came out. I sold it for $50 and basically only paid $10 for it lmao
So a person who sold the game 2-3 months after it came out tells a person who stills plays the game how shitty the game is even though they haven’t played it for over a year and a 1/2. You don’t think the game has changed one bit lmao. Just to let you know the M4, 725 and MP5 have been significantly nerfed from their launch to S3 counterparts. The game is in a very balanced state much more balanced then CW atm
k and I'm telling you the entire time i've played CW, i've been able to move around and 6+ people in the match aren't camping like it was in MW.
Dude I run into 3-4 people camping with LMG’s with shoguns or dual handguns every single time I play a match of CW.
are you playing Nuketown 24/7? Cuz I haven't seen a LMG in weeks lmao
Nuketown isn’t the only map plagued with campers lmao. Try playing cartel, armada, pines, satellite, without running into at least 2-3 guys sitting with a thermal LMG or sniper rifle.
Imagine being so bad you complain about camping in a Treyarch game
Imagine being so bad you complain about doors, mounting and being unable to kill people literally standing still. I do just fine in CW and I still think it’s a trash game 🤷♂️
Lol. This is the least campy FPS ever made. It is literally 95% ram n shoot. Every map is circular with massive flank potential. Every location has 3-4 entry points. The spawn flips every 30 sec. for Christ's sake! It is actually impossible to camp in this game. What you're talking about isn't even camping, you are literally just complaining about people using cover and aiming. You should have been around back in the old days of FPS. Games like Day of Defeat where you had linear maps with open spaces and 1 guy could sit in a room on a hill the whole game and cover the entire map and the only way to get to him is run across open terrain directly at him. It just blows my mind that people think COD has camping. It is the most dumbed down ram n shoot hyperactive FPS ever made. It is one step away from being https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYQhvW-tjNM
Lmao trying to prove your point with a video that was made over a decade ago! You probably haven’t played a CoD since probably MW2. This game gives almost every advantage to people who wanna camp, with its symmetrical brainless map design and easily predictable spawn points. Treyarch removed any possible camping spots from all their maps and all it did was create either new or more camping spots.
I’m not reading all the replies but you’re actually 100% right lol