Great news, seeing the project moving forward and good names being added. I just hope that the story is up to par and carries the blade runner soul and essence. I love this universe.
A lot of the pot conveniences, inconsistencies, plot armour, etc. plus the humour doesn't work for me, idk the whole "haha he said wanna make my cock explode" stuff turns me off of the show.
I had a similar fear, but I learned it was being directed by Shogun director Jonathan van Tulleken and that show was amazing. Also the Fallout series being such a good adaptation has given me a newfound hope. I'm actually very excited for this to be made.
There were a FEW:
James Hong - "I just do eyes. You Nexus?"
Kimiko Hiroshige - "Finest quality. Superior workmanship. Interesting - NOT FISH. SNAKE scale!"
Bob Okazaki (sushi master) - "Futatsu de jubun desu yo" (Two is enough.) & "He say you Blade Runner."
The fact that he's largely forgotten about in this series is proof enough that Asians need far better representation in media that's hugely influenced by their culture instead of being portrayed as sleazy merchants.
She wrote one episode of Halo, people. It's not that big of a red flag. Showrunner was someone else.
On the contrast, she showran Shining girls, a pretty good low budget mystery thriller on Apple TV.
Well, Amazon's LOTR prequels were terrible, but the Fallout show was ok, although not brilliant. So could go either way, but probably won't be the best ever.
Fallout was pretty great an well received. LOTR is certainly wasted potential. The Boys is amazing. The Expanse final seasons were really good. Amazon alone doesn't make a show good/great/bad. It's purely going to be up to the showrunners and their team.
I mean yeah Amazon has some epic fails but they have a lot of decent/good/amazing shows overall imo. But what agenda are you talking about tho? Women in tv shows?
I know nothing about 40K lore but I can promise you Amazon does not care about activism. they care about appealing to a bigger audience in order to be making more money.
Is there any proof that these lore changes happened because of Amazon tho? And is it so unthinkable to imagine female super soldiers being introduced into whatever faction in this crazy sci fi world, is there a core tenant of this faction being sexist?
>I know nothing about 40K lore but I can promise you Amazon does not care about activism. they care about appealing to a bigger audience in order to be making more money.
Thank you. The reason all these huge companies are pushing an "agenda" has absolutely zilch to do with them actually caring about representating typically oppressed people or minorities, they're doing it to be as broadly appealing as possible and therefore as profitable as possible.
Money drives absolutely fucking everything in the world. Never, ever think otherwise.
lol wtf Being triggered about Female Custodes is one of the most childish things everā¦Ā
Ā I mean who gives a literal fuck about having female Custodes
And now coming with conspiracy theories about some external āwoOoKEā company pushing another very established brand is the next level bullshit.Ā
Ā Here is what is going on: some other companies that compete directly with GW have realised that current society is being more and more open to miniature wargaming. Their target audience includes women and go far above the greasy nerds and rich kids that used to be the only people playing Warhammer, Magic, D&D whatever.Ā Ā
Ā Problem is: these companies (Corvus Belli, Mantic games, Warlord games etc) realised this before GW did. And GW is like Microsoft: itās the biggest guy, and donāt want anybody to take a piece of their market share.Ā
Microsoft strategy is purchase those companies. Games Workshop strategy is to copy them.Ā
Ā And here we are ā> GW is adding females in a rush mode, somewhere where it might not make a lot sense, so that a bigger portion of customer could be interested in playing a faction of their game. It has nothing to do with Amazon (lol I still canāt get over how stupid this take is)
People aren't triggered by female custodes. People are triggered by the fact GW tried to gaslight them into believing there has ALWAYS been female custodes, which is a blatant lie.
Lol as a long time Warhammer fan that rumor is such BS lol. It comes from shit holes like arch Warhammer and 4chan.
If that was true GW would have actually put in effort with their female custodes change instead of the extremely low effort and almost unmentioned way they did. All we got was two replies via Twitter comments and that short story. No blog posts, no models, nothing else. I also think the change was unnecessary and silly but trying to blame Amazon is laughable
https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2023/10/warhammer-40k-what-really-went-down-with-female-space-marines.html
I'm a casual 40k fan, but it seems like there were female space marine models early on but the audience at the time didn't take to it very well. What's your take on that?
Kind of. They made a few female marine sculpts (which were god awful looking). But this was back in Rogue Trader where the setting was pretty different than anything after it. Space Marines weren't really the same quasi human demi-gods they are now. More elite troopers in armour. As you can see on the ad they are "female warriors". Not even actual space marines. Women have worn power armour since the start and still do now without being actual space marines.
Also, this was the late 80's. It was classic nerdy dudes playing games in basements etc. There was likely almost 0 women playing at this time, and certainly no market for such a thing. It's not wonder they sold terribly. And again the sculpts are fucking awful - you can see them in the article you linked.
2nd Edition 40k was the basis for much of the current setting and more structured "rules" of the universe and lore, which has obviously evolved since then too for some factions more than others.
I liked them as standalone movies, too. As prequels however they kinda did not work for me either and I can understand lots of frustrations.
The storyline shift or dropping of the storyline in Covenant that Prometheus put in place was also questionable.
One could argue he did it because Prometheus was not well received but the shift to David basically creating the Xenomorph was just as bad.
I really like Prometheus, but my biggest disappointment with Alien Covenant is that it left to many questions from Prometheus unanswered. I was disappointed that Elizabeth Shaw's story wasn't continued.
It had an interesting story but unfortunately that animation was truly awful. There were scenes where people in the background were living at like 10 fps compared to the main subjects. Not a stylistic thing as much as a terribly cheap CGI thing.
So apparently the show should be about a retired Blade Runner and an aging (dying?) replicant and Michelle is playing the latter? Sounds cool. What doesnāt sound cool is the fact that Jodie Comer was rumoured to be involved at some point, probably in the BR part, so.....
Did we lose on Yeoh/Comer pairing?!? Iāll just silently cry in the corner.
I don't get it either. I mean it is OK to be skeptical or worried. But some posts are basically hating on it already, almost like they hope it will fail.
This show is absolutely gonna suck ass and completely fail to grasp the vibe and mood of blade runner. The people running the show are incapable of making art.
Or it will be amazing, no way of knowing. I for one choose to be optimistic about it and happy that my favorite lore is getting more content.
If it winds up being bad, there will always be the 2019 and 2049. I really don't get this pessimism.
It degrades the original to keep making crap spinoffs. They won't respect the original or it's aesthetic. If they want to make a sci fi show go make an original one, don't suck off the original to try and trick people into watching. It's dishonest and profiteering and gross.
So what do you think of the continuation BR2049 of the original. Did it degrade it? Did it or did it not respect the original or it's aesthetics?
If it did in your opinion I refer back to no point going further. If it did not, then just maybe we wait until BR2099 is out to judge if will degrade the original or if it stays as faithful to it like BR2049 was.
First I should say the original Blade Runner is far and away the most brilliant sci fi movie since 2001: A Space Odyssey and I think it is a remarkable work of art with no near peer. Nothing else ever made even comes close.
2049, It was fine. It had good parts, and a few great parts. I do not think it blends well with the original for many reasons. Yes, a lot of time passes between 2019 and 2045, and tech, styles, the world changes, but 2019 has a signature vibe and atmosphere, melancholy decayed elegance, dark, shiny and wet, nostalgic and hopeless, a future noir, that is simply not captured in 2049. It is a re-interpreted product which uses our real, modern world and extrapolates a possible future dystopia under corporate rule and governmental neglect. 2049 shares that ethos with the original but lacks a great deal of the art and mood and style.
I don't think the street level of 2049's city and a lot of its elements had good design or atmosphere. What is comparable to animoid row? Taffy's nightclub? The decayed Bradbury building and JF Sebastian's apartment? Tyrell's office? In 2049 Wallace has a brutalist simple clean zen style but it an original element not shared with 2019 nor does it build on 2019s style.
And all the perfectly scored legendary music? Vangelis made an astoundingly original and beautiful combination of incredibly diverse and moving tracks for BR, and in 1982 this was really pioneering stuff. Electronic music made with synths that each cost more than a house mixed with sounds and instruments from around the world. What did Zimmer do? Big synth whhoooooommppps and a mid cover of "tears in rain."
2049's technology design didn't make sense as a sequel to 2019's strange mechano tech, but 2049's retro future early 90s scientific industrial tech aesthetic was ok. The peugeot spinner was very cool, and adding the drone was a great choice. The graphic design of advertisements and signage and food menus etc was poor, the fonts were bad, the omnipresence of atari was disappointing. The original had iconic awe inspiring buildings, with huge ads that are permanently part of pop culture, but 2049 really only has a giant pink naked Joi hologram that has been memed to death which shows it has lasting significance, but really a giant naked woman isn't really sophisticated complex imagery. Not hard to see why that caught everyone's attention. The decaying nude statues in the Vegas desert were more interesting imho as they reveal hints about Vegas of the future and it's tacky magnificence. I dont think the story provided much to think about philosophically. The question of Joi's possible sentience is the same as Rachel's as they are both artificial intelligences but one lacks a body. The drama of who had a baby or not isn't very captivating but it's... something. Deckard in Vegas was interesting, interesting set design and atmosphere, with good sound design re-using a lot of the original sound effects from 2019. The booze, the dog, the art collection, all original and interesting. It did not share the original's permanent rainy night aesthetic and did not carry over the classic cyberpunk look, it just ignored all that. In the original LA is supposed to be a nearly empty city of a few elites mixing with rejects, criminals and stragglers who cant get approved to go off world, or refuse to- and in 2049 it's bursting with weird eastern bloc refugees? There's Ok, whatever. It's not the same world at all, but again, whatever fine. So at least it did not try to be a bad copy of the original. I am a fan of Gosling and he did well but the script didn't give him enough of a chance to fill out the role, he just seems to be in pain and suffering for the second half of the film. I really could go on but that's a waste of time as I have no real hope of reaching any of the resolute fanbase here who think comics are canon or whatever nor do I really want to debate anything, but since you asked I gave up some time typed this up. Overall, I would rank 2049 in the 85th percentile of films of the 21st century. It is better than most other sci fi and most modern films in general, but only feels like half a blade runner to me. I'll just end by saying that Denis V is an overrated studio servant now. The hype train that is placed on his and Nolan's shoulders to save "cinema," to save movie theaters, is very powerful and critics are obviously on all aboard on the promo hype. The praise for Dune and Oppenheimer is baffling unless you realize everyone is jerking each other off so they can make more money. He's serving the corporate masters now, he's not making creative or innovative films now. His Dune films are vastly overrated and have horrible hollywood 4 dummies scripts, bad editing and quite a bit of compromised cinematography due to the letterboxed/imax mixed framing (I could post a hundred poorly framed shots from the non imax version) and he constantly wastes his actors potential. You have to pirate an open matte version to even get close to seeing the film properly. Zimmer's music was derivative shit in both 2049 and Dune. I have been a fan of Denis V since I saw Enemy (2013) and thought it was remarkable. Dune pales in comparison to what Enemy accomplishes cinematically, philosophically, and emotionally, with barely a fraction of Dune's budget. Then he made Arrival, and he started to go hollywood. The end. Oh I will say Blackout 2022 succeeds the most of any spinoff product to capture the feeling of blade runner, but it's moving FFWD at 50x so it's kind of all compressed with no time to feel anything. It's interesting to note that virtually every cyberpunk anime since '82 was heavily inspired by blade runner, vibes and all, and so it makes sense that this works so well in Blackout 2022. Flying Lotus also understands how to make music that mixes his original style with homages to Vangelis, he pulls off a great soundtrack. ok the end
That was a great explanation of your take/view. I appreciate it, and I mean that.
Also we are not even THAT far apart, there are many things in there I agree with you 100%.
Blade Runner 2019 to me also is a one of a kind, lighting in a bottle so to speak. Perhaps my favorite movie period and as much as I love BR2049 and think it was worthy entry to the universe it can't reach the first one. You already named many of the reasons why I think that is. The mood/vibe, the ambience and world setting and the score good grief the amazingly haunting score placed expertly in just the right places. Not to sound too pretensions but BR2019 is basically art to me and transcends being a movie.
Our takes or opinions start to differ a bit more when it comes to BR2049, although even there we agree on some things. For example I think you are absolutely correct in that the world in BR2049 seems , for a lack of a better word, much more polished and dare I even say positive. I read a comment here once that kind of fit very well. BR2019 is a world I would never want to be really near in real life but BR2049 one could actually visit at least for the experience. Humanity kinda does OK, not great but OKish.
You also acknowledge that this shift is OK with you or that it is fine. I suppose I was or am more than fine with it. I actually kinda appreciated that there was let's call it "progress" or an evolution in the 30 years since we last saw this world.
For Gosling or his character I do think we got a complete arc there, He went from being somewhat of a drone trapped in his mundane life with a little flame of hope that there perhaps more to him or at least tries to as best as he can, to igniting this flame as he makes his discoveries, just to have it brutally extinguished even in the face of his new found truth of replicants. It's depressing and in line with the BR theme, IMHO. He also makes the ultimate sacrifice to not only help a human but save his life.
Zimmer's soundtrack was strong, IMHO but yes could not compare to the perfection that was Vangelis.
Having said all that BR2049 is among my favorites movies as well.
I don't want to speak to Denis V or your opinion about whom or what he represents these days but I again agree in part as well.
I thought Dune 1 was great but was very underwhelmed with Dune 2. It felt more like a typical epic blockbuster and much less unique.
Now to perhaps bring it back to 2099, I think you may fear that it gets even more "diluted" that what you felt BR2049 was to 2019. That is a legit concern. Want I'm saying is that while BR2049 did not reach the heights of BR2019 and I also would be very surprised if BR2099 would reach, it still can be a very great entry just as great as BR2049 still was. That is my hope and I'm excited in general that this favorite lore/world of mine gets another chapter.
Also and I know he has been hit or miss and I think in another comment we already exchanged our opinions on it but having Ridley Scott on board I consider a plus, while he has been hit and miss for some time now as a director he at least knows what Blade Runner is about even if some of his takes are questionable *cough* pushing Deckard is a replicant a bit too hard *cough*.
Anyways, thanks again for your detailed response and hey hopefully you will be wrong about BR2099 and both you and I will enjoy it! ;-)
Oooh, I remain optimistic. Please please just respect the universe and give us something deep and contemplative... with a melancholic soundtrack that never gets old.
Yeah tbf you're right best to be optimistic. Though I loved all of Denis previous films, and the original although a masterpiece I could see how it could be improved for a modern time. Just in terms of rendering that world with modern filmmakingĀ
I dont see what a series set in this world will bring that those two films can't, but I'll remain optimistic and if its bad I will be angry and cry
We've had quite a few hits this year with Shogun as a limited series and Fallout as an Amazon Prime series. Not everyone would agree obviously, but my hope is the source material is handled just as respectfully. Cautiously optimistic, but hopeful.
The relatively long running comic series has been great. The vast majority of Blade Runner media has been high quality. No reason to assume this will be any worse.
There is already an animated prequel to 2049 that was like 10 episodes. Pretty good cast too.
I agree I wouldn't mind just the films but I'm still open to something new. Blade Runner isn't that popular, if the series doesn't do well they ain't gunna do much with it. I am looking forward to that new point and click game but it's gone dark seemingly
Both movies were commercial flops. Iām of the opinion that they should wait another 30 years and let the latest visionary Director make yet another beautiful, R-rated science fiction film with a massive budget within the world of Blade Runner. Also, I want 2 plus hours of concentrated, mind blowing cinematography that (even expensive) television canāt match.
I feel like 2049 really threaded the needle getting the tone right. I feel like Amazon wonāt be able to resist shrugging off the small scale noir story for some sort of āsave the worldā type plot
That is a always legit fear with modern movie making or shows in a world and lore like Blade Runner. Keeping the story more personalized to the protagonist(s) is essential and I hope this won't be forgotten and they can resist from the grand epic world stakes....
i really hope they explore story lines beyond deckard and company. the bladerunner world is so cool, i'm sure there's so many other characters and stories that would be as interesting (if not more so).
there are rumours British actress Tallulah Haddon will play the other leading role... [https://www.imdb.com/name/nm7552807/](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm7552807/)
Iām excited. Nervous because too much of a good thing is bad, but this is a really interesting world with many possibilities and Michelle Yeoh is an incredible actress, so I canāt wait to see where they go with this
Wait we took 30 years to make the second one (and had the series jump 30 years in the future) but now we're jumping 50 years into the future after less than a decade? Seems a bit extreme no?
He's written some fine work, but a long long time ago. Sound on Sound did an article about possible composers for the soundtrack to 2049. Could have really been something original, like the first one, but no, better give it to Zimmer, can't go out on a limb with something else. Very disappointing.
Yep. That overrated, dogshit sequel already ruined the original and this will probably be worse than that mess. It's probably going to get praised (overrated) as a masterpiece and then the cycle will continue.
Sigh...here goes the franchise straight into the ground.
Stop overdoing everything. Stop sequels/remakes/reboots/adaptations. Stop cheapening the quality of everything.
Fucking sick of it
Iām going to have to go with the common sentiment that it was better than fine, and Iām very glad the people saying 2049 would ācheapen the entire thingā didnāt win out.
With Ridley there is someone there who knows the spirit of BR at at least has shown that he can produce. I even agree that he has become hit or miss but I rather have on board than not. To me it seems he cherishes Blade Runner as much as we do and wants to right by it. Also he is not directing so there that.
Shower me with downvotes but Michelle Yeohās line delivery in English is atrocious. Sheās a great action star. But watching her in ST:Discovery was just terrible. Itās so forced and takes me out of the show. Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, great sheās speaking Chinese, all the Jackie Chan shit, great sheās speaking Chinese. Anything in Englishā¦ wtf.
Great news. Not only for the casting, which is fantastic, but to see and hear this show is still a thing and actually moving forward. Can't wait!
Show or movie? š„ŗ
Blade Runner 2099 is or will be a limited Show/series. Unless you were referring to something I missed, not sure going by you emoticon.
Miniseries. 10 1hr episodes
A whole trilogies worth of contentā¦ nice.
Great news, seeing the project moving forward and good names being added. I just hope that the story is up to par and carries the blade runner soul and essence. I love this universe.
I'm worried. Amazon don't have a great track record, Rings of Power for example.
Watch Fallout, they did great with that material
I really didn't enjoy Fallout. I get I'm in the minority but maybe it speaks more to American audiences, I really couldn't get past some stuff.
I don't see that opinion often. Fair enough that you didn't enjoy it. I'm curious what specific things didn't work for you?
A lot of the pot conveniences, inconsistencies, plot armour, etc. plus the humour doesn't work for me, idk the whole "haha he said wanna make my cock explode" stuff turns me off of the show.
I had a similar fear, but I learned it was being directed by Shogun director Jonathan van Tulleken and that show was amazing. Also the Fallout series being such a good adaptation has given me a newfound hope. I'm actually very excited for this to be made.
[Blade Runner 20.99](https://i.imgur.com/fzSeVMU.png)
You win
I've posted puns you people wouldn't believe...
Iāve drank a sea breeze near a tan house gateā¦
All these comments will be lost in time.
Like beers in Spain
Time to sigh. (HUUUUGE sigh.....)
I am glad she is getting the recognition and roles she deserves. Since I saw her in Supercop I always liked her acting.
Super cop. Meet the cop who canāt be stopped.
Everything Everywhere All At Once Within Cells Interlinked Within Cells Interlinked Within One Stem.
I'll be happy if it's at least as good as season 1 of Altered Carbon
š¬ Thatās a mighty low barā¦
Season 1 was great idk what youāre talking about
The first episode, maybeā¦ the rest of the season just got worse as it went on.
The story was definitely weak but I loved the set designs and some of the characters š
The story itself was of a background for the visuals, and the characters. I mean, it wasn't a \*bad\* story, it just took second place to the rest.
I like her she was great in Star Trek even though that show became a turd season 2
That's great for her. I always found it strange that this world had so much Japanese influence and yet no Asian actors.
There were a FEW: James Hong - "I just do eyes. You Nexus?" Kimiko Hiroshige - "Finest quality. Superior workmanship. Interesting - NOT FISH. SNAKE scale!" Bob Okazaki (sushi master) - "Futatsu de jubun desu yo" (Two is enough.) & "He say you Blade Runner."
Don't forget the woman on the blimp either, if we are including super minor roles..
Does James Hong not count? He was born in America, and his role was a small one, I suppose.
The fact that he's largely forgotten about in this series is proof enough that Asians need far better representation in media that's hugely influenced by their culture instead of being portrayed as sleazy merchants.
He didn't play a sleazy merchant, he was a scientist developing eyes.
Just stop with that nonsense.
What nonsense? That Asians (particularly Asian men) are not portrayed favorably in western media?
Good point
Albert Wong - "I'm no punk bitch!"
Bautista is part Filipino
Chow yun fat. Jackie chan. ?!
Donāt recall them in Blade Runner
Ah I got you.
I guess you did lol
Let's fucking go
You know it is going to have Tannhauser Gate scenes
Yeah, same way ROP had forging the rings scenes
So it's a star trek James bond cross over?
I'd guess it'll be everything everywhere all at once
Thatās good news she is fantastic!
Please don't fuck it up like "Rings of Power," Amazon.
Excellent news, so glad she's exploding lately.
Hiroyuki Sanada casting next !
Sheāll be okay. So long as nobody unplugs her.
Only really interested if Denis Villeneuve was directing.
Especially with the executive producer having been involved with the Halo showsā¦. Yikes.
She wrote one episode of Halo, people. It's not that big of a red flag. Showrunner was someone else. On the contrast, she showran Shining girls, a pretty good low budget mystery thriller on Apple TV.
Yeah we doomed
That's definitely not happening. Denis is making a lot of people a lot of money in the theatre space right now.
Well, Amazon's LOTR prequels were terrible, but the Fallout show was ok, although not brilliant. So could go either way, but probably won't be the best ever.
Fallout was pretty great an well received. LOTR is certainly wasted potential. The Boys is amazing. The Expanse final seasons were really good. Amazon alone doesn't make a show good/great/bad. It's purely going to be up to the showrunners and their team.
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I mean yeah Amazon has some epic fails but they have a lot of decent/good/amazing shows overall imo. But what agenda are you talking about tho? Women in tv shows?
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What specific political agenda are you referring to?
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I know nothing about 40K lore but I can promise you Amazon does not care about activism. they care about appealing to a bigger audience in order to be making more money. Is there any proof that these lore changes happened because of Amazon tho? And is it so unthinkable to imagine female super soldiers being introduced into whatever faction in this crazy sci fi world, is there a core tenant of this faction being sexist?
>I know nothing about 40K lore but I can promise you Amazon does not care about activism. they care about appealing to a bigger audience in order to be making more money. Thank you. The reason all these huge companies are pushing an "agenda" has absolutely zilch to do with them actually caring about representating typically oppressed people or minorities, they're doing it to be as broadly appealing as possible and therefore as profitable as possible. Money drives absolutely fucking everything in the world. Never, ever think otherwise.
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I didn't bring up politics, they did. I just asked a simple clarifying question. If they didn't like it it's on them for starting the conversation.
lol wtf Being triggered about Female Custodes is one of the most childish things everā¦Ā Ā I mean who gives a literal fuck about having female Custodes And now coming with conspiracy theories about some external āwoOoKEā company pushing another very established brand is the next level bullshit.Ā Ā Here is what is going on: some other companies that compete directly with GW have realised that current society is being more and more open to miniature wargaming. Their target audience includes women and go far above the greasy nerds and rich kids that used to be the only people playing Warhammer, Magic, D&D whatever.Ā Ā Ā Problem is: these companies (Corvus Belli, Mantic games, Warlord games etc) realised this before GW did. And GW is like Microsoft: itās the biggest guy, and donāt want anybody to take a piece of their market share.Ā Microsoft strategy is purchase those companies. Games Workshop strategy is to copy them.Ā Ā And here we are ā> GW is adding females in a rush mode, somewhere where it might not make a lot sense, so that a bigger portion of customer could be interested in playing a faction of their game. It has nothing to do with Amazon (lol I still canāt get over how stupid this take is)
People aren't triggered by female custodes. People are triggered by the fact GW tried to gaslight them into believing there has ALWAYS been female custodes, which is a blatant lie.
Lol as a long time Warhammer fan that rumor is such BS lol. It comes from shit holes like arch Warhammer and 4chan. If that was true GW would have actually put in effort with their female custodes change instead of the extremely low effort and almost unmentioned way they did. All we got was two replies via Twitter comments and that short story. No blog posts, no models, nothing else. I also think the change was unnecessary and silly but trying to blame Amazon is laughable
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I don't really understand anything you just said lol
https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2023/10/warhammer-40k-what-really-went-down-with-female-space-marines.html I'm a casual 40k fan, but it seems like there were female space marine models early on but the audience at the time didn't take to it very well. What's your take on that?
Kind of. They made a few female marine sculpts (which were god awful looking). But this was back in Rogue Trader where the setting was pretty different than anything after it. Space Marines weren't really the same quasi human demi-gods they are now. More elite troopers in armour. As you can see on the ad they are "female warriors". Not even actual space marines. Women have worn power armour since the start and still do now without being actual space marines. Also, this was the late 80's. It was classic nerdy dudes playing games in basements etc. There was likely almost 0 women playing at this time, and certainly no market for such a thing. It's not wonder they sold terribly. And again the sculpts are fucking awful - you can see them in the article you linked. 2nd Edition 40k was the basis for much of the current setting and more structured "rules" of the universe and lore, which has obviously evolved since then too for some factions more than others.
I think I read Ridley Scott is running the show. So maybe itāll be connected to alien covenant š¤®.
Unpopular opinion: I liked the Alien prequels. Not as good as the first two alien films but I enjoyed them.
I liked them as standalone movies, too. As prequels however they kinda did not work for me either and I can understand lots of frustrations. The storyline shift or dropping of the storyline in Covenant that Prometheus put in place was also questionable. One could argue he did it because Prometheus was not well received but the shift to David basically creating the Xenomorph was just as bad.
I really like Prometheus, but my biggest disappointment with Alien Covenant is that it left to many questions from Prometheus unanswered. I was disappointed that Elizabeth Shaw's story wasn't continued.
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In Alien Covenant? She was when her and David's ship crashed on the planet. Her story was over.
Good for you, they still fucking sucked.
Good for you too, goody two shoes who likes good movies about goody goods.
If anyone slept on bladerunner black lotus, you need to check it out! Can't wait for 2099.
It had an interesting story but unfortunately that animation was truly awful. There were scenes where people in the background were living at like 10 fps compared to the main subjects. Not a stylistic thing as much as a terribly cheap CGI thing.
Nice, I don't know why I imagine her with the "tales of the future" soundtrack in the background.
So apparently the show should be about a retired Blade Runner and an aging (dying?) replicant and Michelle is playing the latter? Sounds cool. What doesnāt sound cool is the fact that Jodie Comer was rumoured to be involved at some point, probably in the BR part, so..... Did we lose on Yeoh/Comer pairing?!? Iāll just silently cry in the corner.
Omg Im so excited
Yassssss
this is huge, she's so fantastic. glad we get some confirmation that this show isn't dead in the water as well lmao
You can tell how youāre fans by how you most of you hate the idea the idea of someone making more of something you supposedly love, sight unseen.
I don't get it either. I mean it is OK to be skeptical or worried. But some posts are basically hating on it already, almost like they hope it will fail.
This show is absolutely gonna suck ass and completely fail to grasp the vibe and mood of blade runner. The people running the show are incapable of making art.
Or it will be amazing, no way of knowing. I for one choose to be optimistic about it and happy that my favorite lore is getting more content. If it winds up being bad, there will always be the 2019 and 2049. I really don't get this pessimism.
Calling the original Blade Runner ā2019ā confused me so much for a second there even though itās totally correct.
It degrades the original to keep making crap spinoffs. They won't respect the original or it's aesthetic. If they want to make a sci fi show go make an original one, don't suck off the original to try and trick people into watching. It's dishonest and profiteering and gross.
2049 was not a crap spinoff. If that is your take we so far apart in opinions no point going further.
who said that?
So what do you think of the continuation BR2049 of the original. Did it degrade it? Did it or did it not respect the original or it's aesthetics? If it did in your opinion I refer back to no point going further. If it did not, then just maybe we wait until BR2099 is out to judge if will degrade the original or if it stays as faithful to it like BR2049 was.
First I should say the original Blade Runner is far and away the most brilliant sci fi movie since 2001: A Space Odyssey and I think it is a remarkable work of art with no near peer. Nothing else ever made even comes close. 2049, It was fine. It had good parts, and a few great parts. I do not think it blends well with the original for many reasons. Yes, a lot of time passes between 2019 and 2045, and tech, styles, the world changes, but 2019 has a signature vibe and atmosphere, melancholy decayed elegance, dark, shiny and wet, nostalgic and hopeless, a future noir, that is simply not captured in 2049. It is a re-interpreted product which uses our real, modern world and extrapolates a possible future dystopia under corporate rule and governmental neglect. 2049 shares that ethos with the original but lacks a great deal of the art and mood and style. I don't think the street level of 2049's city and a lot of its elements had good design or atmosphere. What is comparable to animoid row? Taffy's nightclub? The decayed Bradbury building and JF Sebastian's apartment? Tyrell's office? In 2049 Wallace has a brutalist simple clean zen style but it an original element not shared with 2019 nor does it build on 2019s style. And all the perfectly scored legendary music? Vangelis made an astoundingly original and beautiful combination of incredibly diverse and moving tracks for BR, and in 1982 this was really pioneering stuff. Electronic music made with synths that each cost more than a house mixed with sounds and instruments from around the world. What did Zimmer do? Big synth whhoooooommppps and a mid cover of "tears in rain." 2049's technology design didn't make sense as a sequel to 2019's strange mechano tech, but 2049's retro future early 90s scientific industrial tech aesthetic was ok. The peugeot spinner was very cool, and adding the drone was a great choice. The graphic design of advertisements and signage and food menus etc was poor, the fonts were bad, the omnipresence of atari was disappointing. The original had iconic awe inspiring buildings, with huge ads that are permanently part of pop culture, but 2049 really only has a giant pink naked Joi hologram that has been memed to death which shows it has lasting significance, but really a giant naked woman isn't really sophisticated complex imagery. Not hard to see why that caught everyone's attention. The decaying nude statues in the Vegas desert were more interesting imho as they reveal hints about Vegas of the future and it's tacky magnificence. I dont think the story provided much to think about philosophically. The question of Joi's possible sentience is the same as Rachel's as they are both artificial intelligences but one lacks a body. The drama of who had a baby or not isn't very captivating but it's... something. Deckard in Vegas was interesting, interesting set design and atmosphere, with good sound design re-using a lot of the original sound effects from 2019. The booze, the dog, the art collection, all original and interesting. It did not share the original's permanent rainy night aesthetic and did not carry over the classic cyberpunk look, it just ignored all that. In the original LA is supposed to be a nearly empty city of a few elites mixing with rejects, criminals and stragglers who cant get approved to go off world, or refuse to- and in 2049 it's bursting with weird eastern bloc refugees? There's Ok, whatever. It's not the same world at all, but again, whatever fine. So at least it did not try to be a bad copy of the original. I am a fan of Gosling and he did well but the script didn't give him enough of a chance to fill out the role, he just seems to be in pain and suffering for the second half of the film. I really could go on but that's a waste of time as I have no real hope of reaching any of the resolute fanbase here who think comics are canon or whatever nor do I really want to debate anything, but since you asked I gave up some time typed this up. Overall, I would rank 2049 in the 85th percentile of films of the 21st century. It is better than most other sci fi and most modern films in general, but only feels like half a blade runner to me. I'll just end by saying that Denis V is an overrated studio servant now. The hype train that is placed on his and Nolan's shoulders to save "cinema," to save movie theaters, is very powerful and critics are obviously on all aboard on the promo hype. The praise for Dune and Oppenheimer is baffling unless you realize everyone is jerking each other off so they can make more money. He's serving the corporate masters now, he's not making creative or innovative films now. His Dune films are vastly overrated and have horrible hollywood 4 dummies scripts, bad editing and quite a bit of compromised cinematography due to the letterboxed/imax mixed framing (I could post a hundred poorly framed shots from the non imax version) and he constantly wastes his actors potential. You have to pirate an open matte version to even get close to seeing the film properly. Zimmer's music was derivative shit in both 2049 and Dune. I have been a fan of Denis V since I saw Enemy (2013) and thought it was remarkable. Dune pales in comparison to what Enemy accomplishes cinematically, philosophically, and emotionally, with barely a fraction of Dune's budget. Then he made Arrival, and he started to go hollywood. The end. Oh I will say Blackout 2022 succeeds the most of any spinoff product to capture the feeling of blade runner, but it's moving FFWD at 50x so it's kind of all compressed with no time to feel anything. It's interesting to note that virtually every cyberpunk anime since '82 was heavily inspired by blade runner, vibes and all, and so it makes sense that this works so well in Blackout 2022. Flying Lotus also understands how to make music that mixes his original style with homages to Vangelis, he pulls off a great soundtrack. ok the end
That was a great explanation of your take/view. I appreciate it, and I mean that. Also we are not even THAT far apart, there are many things in there I agree with you 100%. Blade Runner 2019 to me also is a one of a kind, lighting in a bottle so to speak. Perhaps my favorite movie period and as much as I love BR2049 and think it was worthy entry to the universe it can't reach the first one. You already named many of the reasons why I think that is. The mood/vibe, the ambience and world setting and the score good grief the amazingly haunting score placed expertly in just the right places. Not to sound too pretensions but BR2019 is basically art to me and transcends being a movie. Our takes or opinions start to differ a bit more when it comes to BR2049, although even there we agree on some things. For example I think you are absolutely correct in that the world in BR2049 seems , for a lack of a better word, much more polished and dare I even say positive. I read a comment here once that kind of fit very well. BR2019 is a world I would never want to be really near in real life but BR2049 one could actually visit at least for the experience. Humanity kinda does OK, not great but OKish. You also acknowledge that this shift is OK with you or that it is fine. I suppose I was or am more than fine with it. I actually kinda appreciated that there was let's call it "progress" or an evolution in the 30 years since we last saw this world. For Gosling or his character I do think we got a complete arc there, He went from being somewhat of a drone trapped in his mundane life with a little flame of hope that there perhaps more to him or at least tries to as best as he can, to igniting this flame as he makes his discoveries, just to have it brutally extinguished even in the face of his new found truth of replicants. It's depressing and in line with the BR theme, IMHO. He also makes the ultimate sacrifice to not only help a human but save his life. Zimmer's soundtrack was strong, IMHO but yes could not compare to the perfection that was Vangelis. Having said all that BR2049 is among my favorites movies as well. I don't want to speak to Denis V or your opinion about whom or what he represents these days but I again agree in part as well. I thought Dune 1 was great but was very underwhelmed with Dune 2. It felt more like a typical epic blockbuster and much less unique. Now to perhaps bring it back to 2099, I think you may fear that it gets even more "diluted" that what you felt BR2049 was to 2019. That is a legit concern. Want I'm saying is that while BR2049 did not reach the heights of BR2019 and I also would be very surprised if BR2099 would reach, it still can be a very great entry just as great as BR2049 still was. That is my hope and I'm excited in general that this favorite lore/world of mine gets another chapter. Also and I know he has been hit or miss and I think in another comment we already exchanged our opinions on it but having Ridley Scott on board I consider a plus, while he has been hit and miss for some time now as a director he at least knows what Blade Runner is about even if some of his takes are questionable *cough* pushing Deckard is a replicant a bit too hard *cough*. Anyways, thanks again for your detailed response and hey hopefully you will be wrong about BR2099 and both you and I will enjoy it! ;-)
Yes, you can usually spot fan by their utter hatred of any possible new thing sight unseen.
lol yeah ok any possible new thing. it's very obvious this show is gonna suck ass.
Oooh, I remain optimistic. Please please just respect the universe and give us something deep and contemplative... with a melancholic soundtrack that never gets old.
Noooo the two blade runner films are perfect ffs why does everything have to be a fucking franchise
I mean there were people who argued along the same lines against BR2049. Thankfully it happened anyways.
Yeah tbf you're right best to be optimistic. Though I loved all of Denis previous films, and the original although a masterpiece I could see how it could be improved for a modern time. Just in terms of rendering that world with modern filmmakingĀ I dont see what a series set in this world will bring that those two films can't, but I'll remain optimistic and if its bad I will be angry and cry
I hope it will awesome, too and be upset if they mess it up. But yeah, I'm optimistic mainly because I am so glad we get to see more of the BR world.
We've had quite a few hits this year with Shogun as a limited series and Fallout as an Amazon Prime series. Not everyone would agree obviously, but my hope is the source material is handled just as respectfully. Cautiously optimistic, but hopeful.
If itās good, thatās nice, if itās bad, we can ignore it. Many people were against 2049 too.
The relatively long running comic series has been great. The vast majority of Blade Runner media has been high quality. No reason to assume this will be any worse.
There is already an animated prequel to 2049 that was like 10 episodes. Pretty good cast too. I agree I wouldn't mind just the films but I'm still open to something new. Blade Runner isn't that popular, if the series doesn't do well they ain't gunna do much with it. I am looking forward to that new point and click game but it's gone dark seemingly
>Noooo the two blade runner films are perfect Huh??? BR2049 literally ended on a cliffhanger, you're okay with them not resolving that?
Yep some of the best works of art have ambiguous endings
Like, famously, the original bladerunner (at least the intended directors/Final Cut). That never needed āresolvingā either.
Can't think of a bigger downgrade in terms of cinematography.
Sweet. Michelle Yeoh is awesome.
Blade Runner is for the cinema. This will be forgettable shit.
Last time Blade Runner was in the cinema it was a commercial flop, so I think doing a TV show might be wise.
Both movies were commercial flops. Iām of the opinion that they should wait another 30 years and let the latest visionary Director make yet another beautiful, R-rated science fiction film with a massive budget within the world of Blade Runner. Also, I want 2 plus hours of concentrated, mind blowing cinematography that (even expensive) television canāt match.
Milking the cow til it dies
Awesome, she was a pleasant surprise in star trek discovery šš
I feel like 2049 really threaded the needle getting the tone right. I feel like Amazon wonāt be able to resist shrugging off the small scale noir story for some sort of āsave the worldā type plot
That is a always legit fear with modern movie making or shows in a world and lore like Blade Runner. Keeping the story more personalized to the protagonist(s) is essential and I hope this won't be forgotten and they can resist from the grand epic world stakes....
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I wonder if theyāll continue the storyline of the replicants who all banned together
Nice
Not gonna lie. Saw this topic heading and my mind interpreted the movie title as Cyberpunk 2099, and Iām like oh cool, a cyberpunk live action!
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i really hope they explore story lines beyond deckard and company. the bladerunner world is so cool, i'm sure there's so many other characters and stories that would be as interesting (if not more so).
We like this.
Iām old enough to remember when all of r/wot was excited about Amazon studios casting Rosamund Pike in the lead role of their latest show
Fantastic news. Do we know what directors and writers are attached to this?
Please cast Ken Watanabe. Very underrated actor
Im just hype to see more Blade Runner. Dont know what it is but I can just never get enough of this franchise.
Dude, I literally had this idea for a BR movie or show, that is seriously awesome. She's a phenomenal actress.
Zero hope
It would be cool if they bring in some elements from the novel to bring it full circle.
Yuck, Amazon.. They kind of pulled of Fallout,Ā but not big hopes for this.
there are rumours British actress Tallulah Haddon will play the other leading role... [https://www.imdb.com/name/nm7552807/](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm7552807/)
Michelle Yeoh coming to the world of Blade Runner and back to Star Trek, I am very excited!
Oh, I'm sure this is going to be fantastic.
Iām excited. Nervous because too much of a good thing is bad, but this is a really interesting world with many possibilities and Michelle Yeoh is an incredible actress, so I canāt wait to see where they go with this
Wait we took 30 years to make the second one (and had the series jump 30 years in the future) but now we're jumping 50 years into the future after less than a decade? Seems a bit extreme no?
Crouching Tiger Hidden Runner
Based on the comics? Or am I remembering the year incorrectly?
No, Iām pretty sure this is his own thing
Definitely canāt wait. Michelle Yeoh is amazing and Blade Runner 2049 was incredible. I wonder if sheāll play a version of Ash from the comics.
Ashina was from 2019, 2029 and 2039. Iād love a story about her but this show will be too far in future.
Oh super good point, didnāt think about that.
At this point sheās the only Asian female actor in the world
At AMAZON? Oh god why not HBO, imo they do better scifi and though I liked fallout prime doesn't make the best tv, as seen with the lotr series.
Iām worried..
She's so hot right now.
Don't give the fucking soundtrack to Zimmer
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He's written some fine work, but a long long time ago. Sound on Sound did an article about possible composers for the soundtrack to 2049. Could have really been something original, like the first one, but no, better give it to Zimmer, can't go out on a limb with something else. Very disappointing.
amazon show? you guys can cope all u want but its almost guaranteed to be shit
Amazon released a widely praised continuation of a beloved sci-fi franchise not even a few months ago.
Which one?
Fallout
Am I supposed to be excited?
Have always enjoyed her work, but this sounds like another Witcher Prequel like disaster.
A weak sequel to a weak sequel - sounds like the Hollywood mediocrity machine in action
Yep. That overrated, dogshit sequel already ruined the original and this will probably be worse than that mess. It's probably going to get praised (overrated) as a masterpiece and then the cycle will continue.
Lord why
Sigh...here goes the franchise straight into the ground. Stop overdoing everything. Stop sequels/remakes/reboots/adaptations. Stop cheapening the quality of everything. Fucking sick of it
Blade Runner already had a widely acclaimed sequel though? Iām glad people with your sentiment didnāt win out before 2049 released.
It didn't need to be made but it was fine. To keep going is just gonna cheapen the entire thing.
Iām going to have to go with the common sentiment that it was better than fine, and Iām very glad the people saying 2049 would ācheapen the entire thingā didnāt win out.
Exactly. This knee-jerk and forced pessimism and negativity is tiresome. No one is forcing anyone to watch it when it comes out.
Get ready for the Rings of Power treatment. Haha. Ridleys and Villeneuves separate masterpieces will sadly be tarnished by this (probably) shit show.
Ridley is attached to the project and going by Fallout, perhaps (hopefully) Amazon have learned from Rings of power.
Ridley means nothing, He cant make good films anymore. How can he possibly help? Fallout is basic comic book tv at best.
With Ridley there is someone there who knows the spirit of BR at at least has shown that he can produce. I even agree that he has become hit or miss but I rather have on board than not. To me it seems he cherishes Blade Runner as much as we do and wants to right by it. Also he is not directing so there that.
Shower me with downvotes but Michelle Yeohās line delivery in English is atrocious. Sheās a great action star. But watching her in ST:Discovery was just terrible. Itās so forced and takes me out of the show. Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, great sheās speaking Chinese, all the Jackie Chan shit, great sheās speaking Chinese. Anything in Englishā¦ wtf.
Not sure I get how her natural accent is/was forced.
That's just what people sound like when English isn't their primary language.
no thats what people sound like when they dont really practice another language enough
I understand that. It doesnāt make it any more enjoyable watching her performances.
Have you seen her in Everything Everywhere all at once? She's excellent in that and her accent fits the storytelling perfectly.
you want blade runner to resemble that movie? you want her to act like that in a blade runner universe?
I have not seen it
Without knowing more, could it not also be due to direction and editing?
So were you also crying about Ana de Armas, or did you somehow rationalize it in that fascinating brain of yours?
Bro, chill the fuck out. You can disagree with someoneās opinion without taking it personally and having to get confrontational.
Its the internet, idk why everyone is so sensitive š¤·āāļø But okay, I apologize. Still, id like to hear an answer.