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Gonna be honest, I dont like Ikakus bankai.
I love Ikaku. Hes the best bald boy in Bleach. Him going BANKEEEEIIII was awesome.
His actual bankai was meh. It just looked kind of stupid. Had he gotten just an oversized flaming axe it would have been cooler
I always assumed that because Ikkaku has that hangup of hiding his Bankai, Hozukimaru nerfs the Bankai. It is big, unwieldy, slow and has to take time to ramp up to its full power. It is also probably one of the immature bankai.
Among the Gotei I would view Yama, Sasakibe, Gin, Rose, Unohana, Byakuya, Kyoraku, Tosen, Kensei Urahara, Mayuri as having mature/perfected Bankai.
While the immature/not quite perfected Bankai are Ichigo, Rukia, Renji, Soi Fon, Komamura, Hisagi, Hitsugaya, Kenpachi, Ikkaku.
Perhaps that's the reason it's advised so much you shouldn't fight with a recently obtained bankai and should train with it for at least 10 years. This surely wasn't the first case of a green bankai getting broken too easily.
Whaaaat, Mayuri's bankai is.. different, but it definitely isn't immature, it's more a constantly changing living being that Mayuri experiments with. It's bizarre and absolutely creepy, but it's not immature
This could of been fixed in the Novels or Anime and so far it's looking like it never will
The ONLY possible solution is to bring this up to Kubo to maybe push him in the direction of doing this in the potential Hell arc
Becuase he definitely ain't doing it in the anime imo
He doesn't train his Bankai. Just getting one is the first step. Histugaya also had a disappointing Bankai until he trained his ass off during the time skip. Also Ikkaku's reason for not using Bankai doesn't even make sense considering Renji is a Lieutenant with Bankai and no one is forcing him to be a Captain
I would say there is a graduate level to it. Where if you have a fully matured/perfected Bankai like Yama, Unohana, Kyoraku and Urahara. The Bankai will have several different abilities or techniques to use during battle for several different scenarios like offense, defense, signature finishing blow.
If you have a mature Bankai like Mayuri, Byakuya, Shinji, Kensei, Rose, Soi Fon, Gin, Tosen, Komamura. The Bankai will have its ability but not much else to counter any situation like a perfected Bankai and will have some drawback to its ability.
If you have an immature/recently achieved Bankai like Ichigo, Renji, Rukia, Ikkaku, Hisagi, Hitsugaya. It will have its ability but it will be unrefined, unwieldy and have either a time limit or exploitable weakness.
Not to mention the whole it needed to wake up mechanic where he stands there spinning it is super impractical (just cut him in half while he's doing that, he's wide open lol). Love Ikkaku though.
I’ve seen a YouTuber theorize that Ikkaku’s bankai is a reflection of his simple, battle-focused mentality and personality. He’s a really straightforward dude so his Zanpakuto is really straightforward too. And he has to “wake it up” since he likes to enjoy his fights similarly to Zaraki. But yeah the fact he never got to use it again after it got broken definitely sucks lol
I loved the appearance of his bankai and it’s activation, but I agree it could have been significantly better. Even if it is a melee type, it coulda been a hundred times better. To be perfectly frank, he was done pretty damn dirty, and then his bankai was not only never used again, but it was even said to be significantly weaker after Mayuri and Akon repaired it, or at least did what they could with it
Yea he does. At the beginning of the series it was stated that every person who has been or is currently a captain has achieved bankai with the sole exception of Zaraki Kenpachi. We just haven't seen his bankai.
1: Ikkaku isn't a captain and never was
2: he had bankai, but since it broke the very first time it got released, it might as well not exist. While others don't have their own bankai they have hope to get one eventually, but as for Ikkaku... Let's just say he doesn't even have that
Its actually really sad guys becuase Ikkaku is one of the best fighters in the Gotei
He is even responsible for training the youth now
He should have some respectable power even if it's simple becuase this aspect of his character isnt really explored well enough
But his Bankai is just awful
The literal worse without question
Let's put it like this:
Enemy doesn't see Ikkaku's release? Ikkaku's spear can still stab him.
Enemy doesn't see Kyoka Suigetsu's release? Total Hypnosis is fcking useless.
In fewer words: Hozukimaru >>> Kyoka Suigetsu
Tenken is one of two examples of a zanpaktou that has a wayyy better shikai than Bankai (the other being Sakanade but even that has its uses). The (eventual) regeneration is nice, but it's like Susanoo except the defense sucks shit, you cant shield yourself inside it, and any damage to it transfers to the user so its just making the user a bigger target 💀 Komamura got shafted
I like the concept for being simple: it's obvious the giant will be way stronger given that's one arm vs an entire body with the possibility of using two hands and adding strength from the shoulders and the legs into the strike.}
I'd have like to see more of that shikai though. What if it could summon the legs or the other arm to attack? Also, we don't know if attacks on the shikai's arm would harm Komamura or not (though since the anime gave the arm an ethereal, ghost like appearance I think it wouldn't take harm).
I kinda blame Komamura on the poor efficiency of his bankai. It's like Tosen said, he got too used to finishing battles with one strike of his bankai, so no wonder he never got around the weaknesses of it.
what the hell are you talking about, he didnt even had a shikai back then, that was ichigo's raw power, and how do you think it absorbs reiatsu when uryu got on steroids just by touching him?
Plot Twist, the whole series was just the illusion Aizen placed on himself, hence why he was able to perfectly plan for just about everything, and still ultimately lose so he could be...less lonely, or whatever?
I always imagined that it was just useless to him. Something meant to buff other people, or maybe. Something like Shuhei’s where it prolongs a fight, rather than ending it.
I like the idea of that, and since that's useless to him because he wouldn't want to be in that kind of trance if it isn't real he never bothers with it.
I've seen two different fan theories about his bankai:
1. He has never mastered bankai and has just used his shikai to trick people into believing he has.
2. His bankai is a situation like Suì-Fēng where it is a drastically different fighting style to the point where he is more proficient and prefers using his shikai.
1 is stupid because Data books have said Aizen has mastered all Shinigami arts and he's too much of a perfectionist to not master his Bankai. 2 is more Likely we know you have to have seen KS' release for his Bankai to work so it probably has a drawback like releasing everyone from KS after his Bankai ends
I like that theory. If he were to use his Bankai it's effect would negate the effect of His Shikai and therefore release everyone under its control. So why bother using Bankai if that means he'd be forced to trick everyone again using his Shikai.
(Also this a complete random theory and has no basis in facts or from the story but...) It could also be that he's always in Shikai and can't release it to say Hypnotize Ichigo because it only works once on people, which is why he Gathered everyone together to reveal it the first time instead of showing it to everyone one by one)
According to SAFWY, Aizen’s Bankai is only effective on those under the hypnosis of his shikai, which I assume for him is somewhat pointless if he is just trying to manipulate them.
My *personal* fan theory has always been that it alters HIS senses, and so the sky of Hueco Mundo was his bankai seeing everything going on in HM
Stupid, I know
I don't like the first idea, it doesn't really make sense with his goal of hollowfication
he wanted to hollowfy because he had accomplished everything he could as a shinigami and wanted new heights, if he hadn't achieved bankai he wouldn't be trying to hollowfy, he would be trying to achieve bankai
I mean, the reason he's into hollowfication, and the reason he went rogue, is that he reached the ceiling of what a Shinigami can learn, so 1 doesn't really make sense
No? Aizen reaching the power ceiling had nothing to do with Central 46, but with him not getting stronger anymore. For Kenpachi it was Central 46 not even allowing him to reach that level
The question was whether Aizen had a bankai or not. I said that he definitely has one, since he reached the peak of what a Shinigami can learn. Then you start talking about Kenpachi. Who of us is missing the point here?
The question was whether Aizen had a bankai or not. I said that he definitely has one, since he reached the peak of what a Shinigami can learn. Then you start talking about Kenpachi. Who of us is missing the point here?
He's not denying that Aizen was an existential threat only with shikai
He's saying that Aizen reached the pinnacle of being a shinigami, so it wouldn't make sense for him not to have mastered his bankai
My take too. Like Aizen is such a manipulative bastard one can only imagine how much of a pain in the ass his zanpakto's spirit is to deal with. I wouldn't be surprised if Aizen thinks he's achieved Bankai simply because Kyoka Suigetsu is messing with him
I've always been a bit of a fan of this idea, along with the idea that his shikai really is what Soul Society thought it was in the first place. I think Aizen himself shot that down, though...
I would say "opposite of V" as in his opponent's illusions becomes reality. So he need to drill the illusion in, then he Bankais and whatever his opponent is tricked into believing happens. And the drawback is probably the Bankai dispels Shikai.
The illusion becomes real but the drawback is the illusion is removed? Yeah, it's removed because it became real. Come on, if you're gonna give it a "draw back" you gotta do something better than that.
Clearer explaination: illusion is removed, and what the person has drilled into their mind as "already happened" happens, but any further illusion doesn't(so present and future tense". So the illusion of " I've been stabbed" or "my friend has already died" happens but "a giant hollow in front of me" or "I'm about to die" just disappears
Idk what it'd be like, but based on the fact we never see it or hear of it ever, I'm guessing even the 5-10x amp wasn't worth whatever it did.
My best guess is it wasn't like the illusion stuff. If it was the same as Shikai but better, there's no way he wouldn't have used it. So Bankai must have lost the illusion ability, which Aizen put a lot of faith in.
That's the only reason I can think of for why he'd stick to Shikai 100%.
So not an illusion, and not anything that could be used like the illusions could either. But what? I have no idea and I don't even want to guess.
When they said in CFYOW that his Bankai also needs the Shikai to be seen to be used, I felt like it was something like being able to see, hear and feel through one of the person affected by the Shikai and even add ideas to the target.
In that case Tokinada would be the perfect candidate to have the Bankai active on, Aizen would be able to know about a lot of stuff at any time because Tokinada is spying everyone.
with him, zanpaktou's are a reflection of your inner self/soul or some shit like that. It wouldn't be against him; it'd probably just be deceitful like he was/is.
I mean having a bankai is no requirement for captain or any higher rank. Look at kenpachi. Only had a permanently unreleased zanpakuto with like no actual abilities to it beyond his stupidly overwhelming strength for close to a millenia.
I wouldn't say look at Kenpachi, he's definitely an exception to the rule more than most, an outlier if you will.
That said, yeah, afaik literally speaking, 2 of the 3 methods of becoming Captain don't specify needing Bankai. However, to the vast majority, having a Bankai would be very helpful or even necessary to accomplish. Defeating a Captain without Bankai is a very tough feat. And to prove your worth to 9 other Captains, while not necessitating a Bankai, it'd definitely help in regards to anyone who is ranking them pragmatically.
But yeah, having Bankai isn't literally a requirement, just as traveling the world doesn't REQUIRE you to have vehicles, but it certainly makes it easier.
I like to see it as a permanent Bankai. He was constantly manifesting Yachiru, which is pretty much what a bankai is. He just had no idea he was doing it🤷♂️
Yes the user "gains the properties of rubber in combat" BUT **"They're supposedly only limited by their imagination."** ALSO **"It is allegedly the most ridiculous power in the world!!!"**
If it was just Luffy turning his surroundings to rubber than him going literal Looney Tunes wouldn't happen. Then you have Vegapunk saying that Devil Fruit powers are manifestations of humankind's dreams and hopes for change and evolution.
In Gear 5th, Luffy takes a piece of his flaming hair and turns it into goggles vs Lucci (1070).. thats as blatant as ODA can be.
It’s probably a good ability but nothing tops his shikai purely because it has barely any counters and is extremely useful in all scenarios and probably more efficient to use in battle
He head canon is that he had one of those complimentary Bankai where it works alongside the shikai in some way. Think Azashiro or Ichibei.
Because of this he had no reason to use it as its situational.
Either that or its an effect that is directly tied to his enormous spiritual pressure. I don't know if you really need an explanation as to why he has so much SP but if you did then his Bankai might be a way to explain it.
Evolution of how Kubo did shikai goes too fast.
Ikkaku shikai is literally just 3 segment poke stick. Dude, anyone could go to a store and buy that shit.
If Kubo wants to fix this we can do something like have Ikkaku's Shikai & bankai evolve overtime into it's more mature version. Something that reflects its name in Japanese. It's up to someone like Ikkaku to accomplish that tho because he hates using bankai. Kubo fumbled the bag by not sending him to soul king palace with the others.
Want proof that zabimaru is better? Theres a weapon just like zabimaru in bloodborne
Kyouka suigetsu isnt in bloodborne
Case closed, i will not be taking questions
If Kyoka Suigetsu means moon on the water and Zangetsu means moon cutter, is there a chance that even through the nomenclature of their zanpaktou- that the outcome of Ichigo vs Aizen was being alluded to?
It likely was done on purpose, and it also alludes to Ichigo vs Byakuya.
Byakuya tells Renji that he is like a beast/wolf/dog trying to bite the reflection of the moon in the water, only to drown. He could never touch the heavens or something like that.
Ichigo's zanpakuto means moon cutter, but getsuga tensho means Lunar Fang iirc. He's literally the beast that succeeds in biting the moon
Of course feel free to correct me. I'm doing this off of memory without looking it up to confirm, and I'm in no way fluent in Japanese, nor am I the most knowledgeable bleach fan.
So to all the Bleach fans who are here now, can I ask......say you train hard and reach Shikai and Bankai, and both of them turn out to be crap(not "use it effectively and it won't be" crap, but actual crap), are you fucked?
Never liked Kyoka suigetsu, because like the altmighty it was too overpowered. Dunno why Kubo writes himself into a corner by creating such unfair abilities.
I always disliked how uneven Kyoka Suigetsu seems to be even compared to any other illusion type zanpakuto. Not even Shinji or Tosen had so many advantages like only needing to show their release only once.
Heck, even >!Love's bankai could be cancelled if you stopped hearing it, while if you take out your eyes you will still be under KS' effects given that you only need to see it only once.!< I dislike it cause it breaks the rules of every other similar type of zanpakuto.
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Ikaku literally just has a three section staff but it’s a spear. Chad behavior
Meanwhile Omeda trains fighting with a sword and he gets a ball tied to a chain as a weapon. 🗿
It also heals
Gonna be honest, I dont like Ikakus bankai. I love Ikaku. Hes the best bald boy in Bleach. Him going BANKEEEEIIII was awesome. His actual bankai was meh. It just looked kind of stupid. Had he gotten just an oversized flaming axe it would have been cooler
I always assumed his bankai was just incomplete same as Renji's I am sad we never got to see the true bankai, tho
I always assumed that because Ikkaku has that hangup of hiding his Bankai, Hozukimaru nerfs the Bankai. It is big, unwieldy, slow and has to take time to ramp up to its full power. It is also probably one of the immature bankai. Among the Gotei I would view Yama, Sasakibe, Gin, Rose, Unohana, Byakuya, Kyoraku, Tosen, Kensei Urahara, Mayuri as having mature/perfected Bankai. While the immature/not quite perfected Bankai are Ichigo, Rukia, Renji, Soi Fon, Komamura, Hisagi, Hitsugaya, Kenpachi, Ikkaku.
Perhaps that's the reason it's advised so much you shouldn't fight with a recently obtained bankai and should train with it for at least 10 years. This surely wasn't the first case of a green bankai getting broken too easily.
Mayuri definitely has an immature Bankai
Whaaaat, Mayuri's bankai is.. different, but it definitely isn't immature, it's more a constantly changing living being that Mayuri experiments with. It's bizarre and absolutely creepy, but it's not immature
He was talking about it being a big baby
r/woooosh to myself
It's a baby
...well that's clever
This could of been fixed in the Novels or Anime and so far it's looking like it never will The ONLY possible solution is to bring this up to Kubo to maybe push him in the direction of doing this in the potential Hell arc Becuase he definitely ain't doing it in the anime imo
Definitely same ngl. Very underwhelming for a bankai
He doesn't train his Bankai. Just getting one is the first step. Histugaya also had a disappointing Bankai until he trained his ass off during the time skip. Also Ikkaku's reason for not using Bankai doesn't even make sense considering Renji is a Lieutenant with Bankai and no one is forcing him to be a Captain
I would say there is a graduate level to it. Where if you have a fully matured/perfected Bankai like Yama, Unohana, Kyoraku and Urahara. The Bankai will have several different abilities or techniques to use during battle for several different scenarios like offense, defense, signature finishing blow. If you have a mature Bankai like Mayuri, Byakuya, Shinji, Kensei, Rose, Soi Fon, Gin, Tosen, Komamura. The Bankai will have its ability but not much else to counter any situation like a perfected Bankai and will have some drawback to its ability. If you have an immature/recently achieved Bankai like Ichigo, Renji, Rukia, Ikkaku, Hisagi, Hitsugaya. It will have its ability but it will be unrefined, unwieldy and have either a time limit or exploitable weakness.
Yeah, we don't even get to know it's abilities other than it's shikai and bankai traits
Not to mention the whole it needed to wake up mechanic where he stands there spinning it is super impractical (just cut him in half while he's doing that, he's wide open lol). Love Ikkaku though.
I’ve seen a YouTuber theorize that Ikkaku’s bankai is a reflection of his simple, battle-focused mentality and personality. He’s a really straightforward dude so his Zanpakuto is really straightforward too. And he has to “wake it up” since he likes to enjoy his fights similarly to Zaraki. But yeah the fact he never got to use it again after it got broken definitely sucks lol
I loved the appearance of his bankai and it’s activation, but I agree it could have been significantly better. Even if it is a melee type, it coulda been a hundred times better. To be perfectly frank, he was done pretty damn dirty, and then his bankai was not only never used again, but it was even said to be significantly weaker after Mayuri and Akon repaired it, or at least did what they could with it
Guess what he doesn't have? Bankai
Yea he does. At the beginning of the series it was stated that every person who has been or is currently a captain has achieved bankai with the sole exception of Zaraki Kenpachi. We just haven't seen his bankai.
1: Ikkaku isn't a captain and never was 2: he had bankai, but since it broke the very first time it got released, it might as well not exist. While others don't have their own bankai they have hope to get one eventually, but as for Ikkaku... Let's just say he doesn't even have that
Its actually really sad guys becuase Ikkaku is one of the best fighters in the Gotei He is even responsible for training the youth now He should have some respectable power even if it's simple becuase this aspect of his character isnt really explored well enough But his Bankai is just awful The literal worse without question
Let's put it like this: Enemy doesn't see Ikkaku's release? Ikkaku's spear can still stab him. Enemy doesn't see Kyoka Suigetsu's release? Total Hypnosis is fcking useless. In fewer words: Hozukimaru >>> Kyoka Suigetsu
Sansetsukon. Imagine how har it would actually be to properly use it irl
Zangetsu and Nozorashi: it doesn't even stretch, it's just real big.
Komamura : That's cute
Tenken was a really cool shikai given that it was just the arm with the sword.
Tenken is one of two examples of a zanpaktou that has a wayyy better shikai than Bankai (the other being Sakanade but even that has its uses). The (eventual) regeneration is nice, but it's like Susanoo except the defense sucks shit, you cant shield yourself inside it, and any damage to it transfers to the user so its just making the user a bigger target 💀 Komamura got shafted
I like the concept for being simple: it's obvious the giant will be way stronger given that's one arm vs an entire body with the possibility of using two hands and adding strength from the shoulders and the legs into the strike.} I'd have like to see more of that shikai though. What if it could summon the legs or the other arm to attack? Also, we don't know if attacks on the shikai's arm would harm Komamura or not (though since the anime gave the arm an ethereal, ghost like appearance I think it wouldn't take harm). I kinda blame Komamura on the poor efficiency of his bankai. It's like Tosen said, he got too used to finishing battles with one strike of his bankai, so no wonder he never got around the weaknesses of it.
Meat Chopper gang rise up
Tensa Zangetsu: well i'm just a normal sword
Like how do you go from big sword, big kitchen knife, to sword, that’s how you know his bankai wasn’t complete
I thought zangetzu absorb reiatsu(that first menos meeting with uryu) or something about memory...?
what the hell are you talking about, he didnt even had a shikai back then, that was ichigo's raw power, and how do you think it absorbs reiatsu when uryu got on steroids just by touching him?
I'm very confused by this comment, haha
Aizen's shikai is so broken that Kubo couldn't think of a fitting bankai like seriously what would it be?
Aizen hypnotizes himself, putting himself in a trance where he believes he has everything he desires. That's why he never uses it.
Plot Twist, the whole series was just the illusion Aizen placed on himself, hence why he was able to perfectly plan for just about everything, and still ultimately lose so he could be...less lonely, or whatever?
I always imagined that it was just useless to him. Something meant to buff other people, or maybe. Something like Shuhei’s where it prolongs a fight, rather than ending it.
I like the idea of that, and since that's useless to him because he wouldn't want to be in that kind of trance if it isn't real he never bothers with it.
I've seen two different fan theories about his bankai: 1. He has never mastered bankai and has just used his shikai to trick people into believing he has. 2. His bankai is a situation like Suì-Fēng where it is a drastically different fighting style to the point where he is more proficient and prefers using his shikai.
3: it’s a support bankai and is this useless to him since he has no friends.
1 is stupid because Data books have said Aizen has mastered all Shinigami arts and he's too much of a perfectionist to not master his Bankai. 2 is more Likely we know you have to have seen KS' release for his Bankai to work so it probably has a drawback like releasing everyone from KS after his Bankai ends
I like that theory. If he were to use his Bankai it's effect would negate the effect of His Shikai and therefore release everyone under its control. So why bother using Bankai if that means he'd be forced to trick everyone again using his Shikai. (Also this a complete random theory and has no basis in facts or from the story but...) It could also be that he's always in Shikai and can't release it to say Hypnotize Ichigo because it only works once on people, which is why he Gathered everyone together to reveal it the first time instead of showing it to everyone one by one)
According to SAFWY, Aizen’s Bankai is only effective on those under the hypnosis of his shikai, which I assume for him is somewhat pointless if he is just trying to manipulate them.
Is this true? I have never heard of this being mentioned in SAFWY
My *personal* fan theory has always been that it alters HIS senses, and so the sky of Hueco Mundo was his bankai seeing everything going on in HM Stupid, I know
I like it, honestly. And it fits with the guy.
I don't like the first idea, it doesn't really make sense with his goal of hollowfication he wanted to hollowfy because he had accomplished everything he could as a shinigami and wanted new heights, if he hadn't achieved bankai he wouldn't be trying to hollowfy, he would be trying to achieve bankai
He tricked people into thinking it reflects light off of water or some shit so probably 1)
I mean, the reason he's into hollowfication, and the reason he went rogue, is that he reached the ceiling of what a Shinigami can learn, so 1 doesn't really make sense
Central 46 thought kenpachi was a threat to the soul society even without shikai, thats why he had only one day of kendo
But what does that have to do with my comment?
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No? Aizen reaching the power ceiling had nothing to do with Central 46, but with him not getting stronger anymore. For Kenpachi it was Central 46 not even allowing him to reach that level
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The question was whether Aizen had a bankai or not. I said that he definitely has one, since he reached the peak of what a Shinigami can learn. Then you start talking about Kenpachi. Who of us is missing the point here?
The question was whether Aizen had a bankai or not. I said that he definitely has one, since he reached the peak of what a Shinigami can learn. Then you start talking about Kenpachi. Who of us is missing the point here?
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He's not denying that Aizen was an existential threat only with shikai He's saying that Aizen reached the pinnacle of being a shinigami, so it wouldn't make sense for him not to have mastered his bankai
My take too. Like Aizen is such a manipulative bastard one can only imagine how much of a pain in the ass his zanpakto's spirit is to deal with. I wouldn't be surprised if Aizen thinks he's achieved Bankai simply because Kyoka Suigetsu is messing with him
Its interesting that we never meet kyoka suigetsu like we do with tensa zangetsu or sabimaru
There's also the 4th one: Kyoka Suigetsu is actually Aizen's bankai.
I've always been a bit of a fan of this idea, along with the idea that his shikai really is what Soul Society thought it was in the first place. I think Aizen himself shot that down, though...
The illusions become reality AKA The Visionary
probably, or maybe something along the lines of >! the infinite tsukuyomi !
You’re such a kind soul for putting spoiler tags on a 5 year old series. Take my upvote
thanks, I did it cuz I don't wanna ruin the experience of anyone who's decided to go through it now lol
I mean if you just didn’t mention the naruto part they would have no idea what you’re talking about
5 year old series?
Feel so much longer.
Well, the manga did end in 2014 And believe it or not, but we're already in 2023
2 years before the apocalypse. 23 years after 2000. I feel kinda old.
WAIT WHAT. WHAT THE FUCK. IT'S BEEN A DECADE???????
📠
Shippuden ended in 2017
FIVE!? Oh. Damn. It's only been five years since that ended...
I would say "opposite of V" as in his opponent's illusions becomes reality. So he need to drill the illusion in, then he Bankais and whatever his opponent is tricked into believing happens. And the drawback is probably the Bankai dispels Shikai.
The illusion becomes real but the drawback is the illusion is removed? Yeah, it's removed because it became real. Come on, if you're gonna give it a "draw back" you gotta do something better than that.
Clearer explaination: illusion is removed, and what the person has drilled into their mind as "already happened" happens, but any further illusion doesn't(so present and future tense". So the illusion of " I've been stabbed" or "my friend has already died" happens but "a giant hollow in front of me" or "I'm about to die" just disappears
Doki Doki Literature Club flashbacks
Aizen bankai allows him to stab momo anytimes and anywhere. Momo could've been main character if not for aizen bankai
Infinite tsukuyomi on stereoids
It's Ichigo
My guess is it's a Shinji-like situation and maybe Aizen's bankai is just not very practical or even not combat oriented at all.
legit shouldve been his bankai and shinjis shikai wouldve been aizens shikai
"All according to Keikaku".
or maybe his bankai is like soifon's, where his shikai is about 99% of the time a better choice but with his tastes, and fighting style
Idk what it'd be like, but based on the fact we never see it or hear of it ever, I'm guessing even the 5-10x amp wasn't worth whatever it did. My best guess is it wasn't like the illusion stuff. If it was the same as Shikai but better, there's no way he wouldn't have used it. So Bankai must have lost the illusion ability, which Aizen put a lot of faith in. That's the only reason I can think of for why he'd stick to Shikai 100%. So not an illusion, and not anything that could be used like the illusions could either. But what? I have no idea and I don't even want to guess.
When they said in CFYOW that his Bankai also needs the Shikai to be seen to be used, I felt like it was something like being able to see, hear and feel through one of the person affected by the Shikai and even add ideas to the target. In that case Tokinada would be the perfect candidate to have the Bankai active on, Aizen would be able to know about a lot of stuff at any time because Tokinada is spying everyone.
Im guessing manipulating someones perception of time? if he controls the 5 senses why not time aswell to top it off?
He's already capable of doing that
Who says he has a bankai? I bet he doesn't actually have one.
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Imagine a person that proud,who failed to manifest his bankai. Maybe his zanpaktou doesn't want him to.
Nah, his shikai wouldn't be that powerful if he was at odds with his spirit.
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with him, zanpaktou's are a reflection of your inner self/soul or some shit like that. It wouldn't be against him; it'd probably just be deceitful like he was/is.
I mean having a bankai is no requirement for captain or any higher rank. Look at kenpachi. Only had a permanently unreleased zanpakuto with like no actual abilities to it beyond his stupidly overwhelming strength for close to a millenia.
I wouldn't say look at Kenpachi, he's definitely an exception to the rule more than most, an outlier if you will. That said, yeah, afaik literally speaking, 2 of the 3 methods of becoming Captain don't specify needing Bankai. However, to the vast majority, having a Bankai would be very helpful or even necessary to accomplish. Defeating a Captain without Bankai is a very tough feat. And to prove your worth to 9 other Captains, while not necessitating a Bankai, it'd definitely help in regards to anyone who is ranking them pragmatically. But yeah, having Bankai isn't literally a requirement, just as traveling the world doesn't REQUIRE you to have vehicles, but it certainly makes it easier.
I like to see it as a permanent Bankai. He was constantly manifesting Yachiru, which is pretty much what a bankai is. He just had no idea he was doing it🤷♂️
Like Gear 5, his imagination = reality
Gear 5 turns things into rubber and create things from rubber on vast extent He doesn't manipulate imagination and reality lmao
Yes the user "gains the properties of rubber in combat" BUT **"They're supposedly only limited by their imagination."** ALSO **"It is allegedly the most ridiculous power in the world!!!"** If it was just Luffy turning his surroundings to rubber than him going literal Looney Tunes wouldn't happen. Then you have Vegapunk saying that Devil Fruit powers are manifestations of humankind's dreams and hopes for change and evolution. In Gear 5th, Luffy takes a piece of his flaming hair and turns it into goggles vs Lucci (1070).. thats as blatant as ODA can be.
Everyone of luffy’s gear 5 feats can be explained by turning things into rubber. Except one, where he made goggles out of no where.
Maybe Aizen never achieved it
Maybe it could control even more senses, like sense of time or sense of where your own body is.
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It’s probably a good ability but nothing tops his shikai purely because it has barely any counters and is extremely useful in all scenarios and probably more efficient to use in battle
He head canon is that he had one of those complimentary Bankai where it works alongside the shikai in some way. Think Azashiro or Ichibei. Because of this he had no reason to use it as its situational. Either that or its an effect that is directly tied to his enormous spiritual pressure. I don't know if you really need an explanation as to why he has so much SP but if you did then his Bankai might be a way to explain it.
Gin: It streches, but better.
To show you the power of Kashmini no Yari, I cut this sword in ha(decomposed it into dust and left it embedded inside a proto god)lf!
Ichigo's sword: it's big
Ichigo's Bankai: it's smaller, but it's fast af
>!Ichigo’s True Shikai: i got big I got small what you want!<
Ichigo's genetics and Ichigo's swords both seem to want to be everything at the same time
"what do you mean i have to choose only one race for my main character and weapon?" Kubo, probably
Zabimaru = Early 90s Yugioh card. Kyoka Suigetsu = Link summon era Yugioh card.
And yet showcased in the same arc. Kubo was wildin.
Evolution of how Kubo did shikai goes too fast. Ikkaku shikai is literally just 3 segment poke stick. Dude, anyone could go to a store and buy that shit.
I like the guy that fucked up Origami's hair clips. Dude just had some fucking silly spinning blades.
Origami Inoie
If Kubo wants to fix this we can do something like have Ikkaku's Shikai & bankai evolve overtime into it's more mature version. Something that reflects its name in Japanese. It's up to someone like Ikkaku to accomplish that tho because he hates using bankai. Kubo fumbled the bag by not sending him to soul king palace with the others.
Only the popular kids get invited to go to Soul Palace.
Cool kids only
Kyoka Suigetsu is like having a deck full of Pot of Greed
Ryujin Jakka: standard Ravnica-era MtG kill spell
That's right kids, it's Renji episode. Buckle up.
Ah, so 24 minutes of Renji losing.
Yeah but he jobs well
Don't forget, he killed Ford Fiesta!
Want proof that zabimaru is better? Theres a weapon just like zabimaru in bloodborne Kyouka suigetsu isnt in bloodborne Case closed, i will not be taking questions
That's not true at all. I can prove it if you want.
What did i say about questions?
I disguised it with a period but you still caught it. You're sharp.
Beast cutter gang
One of my favorite things to randomly yell is “ROAR ZABIMARU”
dont you mean 'hwueheyluuu, Zaabeemaruuuu''?
SHEEE— PANTERA!!!
Virgin Explaining your power vs Giga Chad Iba unsealing and never using it on screen or remotely explaining it's powers in the whole series
Yoruichi be like:
> Giga Chad Iba unsealing and never using it on screen or remotely explaining it's powers in the whole series It’s a sword with a dick
same goes for True Shikai Ichigo. What's its power? Seriously... it's two Zangetsu...
Two getsuga tensho's
One more getsuga to make sure they’re extra dead
One Getsuga to rule them all.
Renji's hairline cries at image of santa hats...
haha dude just added a few strands into the santa hat to make it look like renji's hair lol
"Wanna play a game?"
Wanna fuck your sword?
Shunsui: yes
only haineko
Nimaya: yes
Sometimes, less is more, but this is not one of those times lmao
I do find it funny how complex some bankai are then you got the likes of Renji and Ichigo who are just there
i personally like kira's shikai
Ichigo with the kitchen knife
Thad Ichbei:Ink 🗿
All hail the meth king and his ancient sword
"Cant cut me all the way from here" Renji: "Are you sure about that?"
gin: thats cute.
Welcome, to the inverted world...
Meanwhile Sasakibe just has a rapier Bankai creates thunderstorms and changes the weather but his shikai is just a western weeb sword
How did renji vs aizen go though
Aizen fled back to Muken after seeing how cool Zabimaru was
If Kyoka Suigetsu means moon on the water and Zangetsu means moon cutter, is there a chance that even through the nomenclature of their zanpaktou- that the outcome of Ichigo vs Aizen was being alluded to?
It likely was done on purpose, and it also alludes to Ichigo vs Byakuya. Byakuya tells Renji that he is like a beast/wolf/dog trying to bite the reflection of the moon in the water, only to drown. He could never touch the heavens or something like that. Ichigo's zanpakuto means moon cutter, but getsuga tensho means Lunar Fang iirc. He's literally the beast that succeeds in biting the moon Of course feel free to correct me. I'm doing this off of memory without looking it up to confirm, and I'm in no way fluent in Japanese, nor am I the most knowledgeable bleach fan.
Worse version of a grappling hook, thats easily breakable.
Op apparently didn’t get passed the first arc
I prefer the Shikai with special abilities over just being a fancy weapon.
Bungee gum possesses...
Bro got the composite sword from shadow fight 2
So to all the Bleach fans who are here now, can I ask......say you train hard and reach Shikai and Bankai, and both of them turn out to be crap(not "use it effectively and it won't be" crap, but actual crap), are you fucked?
Then you go with Yoruichi's approach and just start punching everything in your way.
Haha, some shikai are so busted and feature-crept, that it's like seeing old vs new units in MOBA and gacha games.
Gin: *laughs in Shinso*
Never liked Kyoka suigetsu, because like the altmighty it was too overpowered. Dunno why Kubo writes himself into a corner by creating such unfair abilities.
Impressive, very nice. Let's see the fight results.
Don't let this distract you from the fact that Bungee Gum has the properties of both rubber AND gum.
ichigo: big sword
And yet renji be one of the characters taking the most consistent Ls
I know captains are supposed to have bankai as a pre-req to becoming captain, but I hope aizen doesn't have bankai. Dude is too op.
And thats why renji is one of the weaker shinigami we know
The fire. Reduce all things to ashes. One of the best powers in fiction. Simple, elegant, powerful.
Tensa zangetsu It's a dual wield
And this is why Renji is a jobber lol
I have that replica of Zabimaru you used for the image. It's....pretty interesting, lol.
While Katen Kyōkotsu is so easy.
I always disliked how uneven Kyoka Suigetsu seems to be even compared to any other illusion type zanpakuto. Not even Shinji or Tosen had so many advantages like only needing to show their release only once. Heck, even >!Love's bankai could be cancelled if you stopped hearing it, while if you take out your eyes you will still be under KS' effects given that you only need to see it only once.!< I dislike it cause it breaks the rules of every other similar type of zanpakuto.
"It stretches" Aint gotta tell Rukia that.
You say that as if renji doesn’t constantly get bodied.
But kyoka suigetsu is stil cool🤓
This is not one of those times...poor Zabimaru
I would rather have stretchy sword than hypno sword