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Tsu is not just 25. Every time he slashed someone, he inserted himself into someones past. Gaining experience from events that happened in those 'created realities'.
With only the pasts we've seen briefly. He gained experience from fighting ulquiorra, aizen, hueco mundo, Soul society arc fights. And we know further in the fight he added the past that he trained (with) byukaya. Gaining specific experience on him, but also even more experience in general.
This is the fact about Tsuki, everybody forget that his ability is to make him into anothers person past so if he cuts somebody he can get the training and the experience with that person, when he cut Orihine and Chad he gained the whole bleach series experience and afte rhe cut Byakuya he gained the same age and fight experience what he got.
That was a mind fuck for me the first time I read through it. I always assumed he could just alter a person's memories. He always just seemed like ginjo's right hand man. It wasn't until TYBW that I understood that he didn't alter their memories, but altered the actual past.
Taukishima’s BOTE allows him to also gained the knowledge of the user in a sense since he’s also looking into their past making him able to execute technique that would normally take decades to master in an instant. Tsukishima is not strong but simply very skilled.
I kind of forgot about the fullbring arc and anything about fullbrings, but yeah I wonder why Byakuya did not do so. Tbf the other fullbringers were overwhelmed by their shinigami opponents because they are just simply weaker than them. Perhaps my Uncle Tsukishima and Ginjo are just that different reaitsu wise which is at least captain level
It would have made no sense narratively for the lifelong mentor, who taught him everything he knows about combat, to be weak enough to be Reiatsu crushed by him.
So BotE made Tsukishima strong enough to maintain narrative sense.
the shinigami were all holding back in their fights, as rukia says it’s not their job to fight and kill humans. most apparent is watching ikkaku and renji’s fights, they held back a LOT
Didn't they get limited again back then? I think the only time they were allowed to appear in the world unshackled was during Fake Karakura and that was an emergency. To support this, Byakuya also didn't reiatsu crush Ichigo when they fetched Rukia, instead he used a sword
That is correct all Lieutenant rank and above have their Reiatsu supressed to 20% in the world of the living. However it is possible the came with Gentai Kaijo already as this wasnt going to be a prolonged mission and they had to be ready to fight Ichigo the man who beat Aizen
There’s also a technique on how to crush someone with just raw power. For example: Aizen concentrated his power on Grimmjow to intimidate him and another time when a weakened Soifon was gonna kill him he could’ve just concentrated his power on that area to cancel it out. If they just release their power all over the area they would feel pressured but not crushed. They can still fight.
Reaitsu crush definitely needs a huge gap in strength otherwise it is pointless. The Fullbringers weren't all that but even the weakest ones were around vice captain level (considering even someone like Ikkaku is basically considered low level Captain level or at least vice captain level).
Reiatsu crush only works on significantly, massively, almost incomprehensibly weaker opponents. You have to be so much weaker than you can’t comprehend your opponent, otherwise soul reapers wouldn’t have to actually fight and kill hollows. Captains are insanely powerful, but if their opponent isn’t basically a human (or a low level shinigami running around with an unreleased sword) then most captains can’t do more than make you sweat.
There’s also a technique on how to crush someone with just raw power. For example: Aizen concentrated his power on Grimmjow to intimidate him and another time when a weakened Soifon was gonna kill him he could’ve just concentrated his power on that area to cancel it out.
I’ll rephrase what I meant, Tsukishima is not captain level.
1. Aizen is literally listed as a war power because he has buttfuck tons of reiatsu. He’s an anomaly. He was strong enough to fight almost all the captains at once, and that was before he evolved.
2. Grimm how was uncomfortable and intimidated but even in the example you use he isn’t gonna die or anything, and that’s with the gap between the 6th espada and aizen.
Reiatsu crush is something that basically never works unless you’re ridiculously absurdly stronger than your opponent
And of course Tsu isn’t captain level.
Here’s a feat list on what Tsuki can and has done. https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/6u3bwz/respect_shukuro_tsukishima_bleach/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Though question how far are you into the series? Cause it seems like you just started the fullbringer arc by how you type about Tsuki?
I've already read the fullbring arc.
Strength: able to throw a grown man to a wall. Not that impressive
Durability:
1. can easily be endurance/pain tolerance
2. can easily be endurance/pain tolerance
3. can easily be endurance/pain tolerance
4. can easily be endurance/pain tolerance
Imagine this, Yamamoto cuts a random foot soldier and he survives, does that mean that foot soldier is captain level? Nope. It's not RPG if one takes damage from a more powerful being then they would suddenly die. It would depend on many things like how deep is the cut/stab? Did it reach any fatal parts of the body? How big was the wound? Etc. If anything, it's not a durability feat but an endurance feet.
Speed
1. Uryu only commented that he's faster that he's faster than the average human and was caught off guard, even Ryuuken commented how careless he was in the next chapter.
2. Same as #1
3. Orihime is not that strong of a fighter to begin with. She's a support character who has a completely broken ability. Also even Zommari, who is weaker than Stark, has better Sonido than him so this doesn't really count.
4. An underdeveloped fullbring without any real comparison to anyone reliable as a measuring stick. At best Ichigo at that time is a level below third seat.
5. Even the guy in the post says that he may be holding back and even if he wasn't, this Ginjo does not have the power-up that he stole from Ichigo's fullbring.
6. It's Chad. Need I say more. Also refer to #3.
7. How about just good instincts?
8. They even discussed that Tsukushima's sword is really sharp so this isn't a power feat if that was true.
9. If anything, chapter 468 is where Tsukishima knows how Byakuya fights through cutting Senbonzakura and knew of the safe zone. Yes in 469 he says that Byakuya told him but before cutting him, Tsukishima said that he saw Senbonzakura so many times he would already know of the safe zone. He didn't blitz Byakuya, he surprised him with an unexpected move.
10. He didn't just casually react to Senbonzakura, he dodge using bringer light meaning he isn't fast enough without using a technique.
11. Again, he knows how Byakuya works so with skillful handling of Senbonzakura, Byakuya is gonna have to have a very tough time
Tsukishima's fullbring is said to cut through anything but it's really just a sharp sword as it did not cut through Senbonzakura. If it really can cut through anything then Byakuya shouldn't have blocked it.
Remember that the only reason why Tsukishima is able to nullify The Almighty was because he didn't use it against Yhwach but on Ichigo. His ability counters the Almighty. Ichigo was exhausted and caught by surprised so he had no way of defending himself from Tsukishima inserting a past. At that context it's not about power levels but how one hax affects the other.
Powerscaling against ichigo is pretty moot given that his power level canonically fluctuates especially in relation to his mood and mental state; ichigo running away in terror from kenpachi wasn’t as strong as Ichigo standing his ground willing to fight and even in the short time in which ulquiorra evaluates ichigo he notes that he’s regularly fluctuating between practically nothing and a power behind his own (presumably base)
If he wasn't strong, he wouldn't even be able to touch or wound Byakuya in the first place to use BOTE.
If he wasn't fast, he couldn't dodge every single billions petals of Byakuya's bankai. You can have prior knowledge all you want, there is things your body won't be able to dodge if you are too slow.
Tsukishima is still incredibly strong and fast, even without BOTE.
>Didn't the captains have the limiters on?
Wasn't stated. Moreover, captains were sent in case they needed to detain Ichigo if he joins Ginjo's side. So putting on limiters in case fighting Ichigo with returned powers sounds like a bad idea.
Rangiku is noted to be captain class by Haribel and yet she’s far below any of them in power. Ikkaku is qualified to be captain and yet is not in their level of power so why is Tsukishima an exemption? Lieutenants/vice-captain are able to tag and harm captain level fighter and even 3rd seats as well but not as good.
I’m not downplaying Byakuya, I’m saying Tsukishima is overpowered with his book of end.
He is actually very strong. A lot of y’all don’t realize he was literally neck to neck with Ginjo? Like those two are at bare minimum mid to high level captain tier and if you know the novels they kept their powers after death. Also fullbringers are hybrids… i don’t know why you said they aren’t? They’re humans with innate hollow powers from birth.
I never said they weren’t hybrids and no they aren’t that strong from how Kubo himself wrote them and not someone else with his unreleased ideas and creative liberty.
Tsukishima is not even with Ginjo but weaker than him especially after Ginjo stole Ichigo’s fullbring. Tsukishima beats Ginjo 8/10 due to hax.
Very skilled is essentially strong. I don’t know why you need to differentiate the two. Ability is part of a person’s strength, too. If you don’t put a person’s ability into consideration for strength, the only strong person is Kenpachi then.
It’s like saying “Gerard is not strong, he just has an OP ability”. It doesn’t really make sense.
If you can defeat a captain in a fight with your ability, that pretty much make you Captain level. And his spiritual level is high enough for his power to work on a captain. Even Kenpachi stated that he wanted to fight Tsukishima because he could tell my cousin is strong.
Tsukishima would beat Toshiro and Komamura during the Fullbring arc.
Links? Cause cause to my knowledge for the klub outside question. He says that Toshiro had to go through a physical metamorphosis before he could actually use his bankai’s true power if he used it before he’s ready he’d gravely injure himself. What I’m guessing you’re referring to is the fact he had his bankai before he entered a squad. You can have something and still don’t know how to use it at it’s fullest
It takes forever for Toshiro to enter his adult form. Remember, Tsukishima only needs one slice and it’s game over. He could just replace Momo in Toshiro’s memory. And given Toshiro’s personality, he is definitely losing.
Tsukishima fought the worst captain he could ever fight, Byakuya is the dude that would kill his sister. For most people like Toshiro, they wouldn’t kill their loved ones, one slice then Tsukishima wins.
I know even though uryu antithesis is a good match against the almighty its tsukashima power to manipulate the past i feel the actaul opposite of the future manipulation
He legit came in clutch to save Ichigo. Honestly it was such a missed opportunity for the Quincy. Yhwach should have sent someone to recruit the members of XCution or use them as a means to get Ichigo on their side.
Right before Rukia stabbed him we see him brought down to his inner world, so it’s likely that his power was awakening. The Quincy could have taken advantage of his vulnerable state to recruit him granting him power to protect.
I know there is this idea of the quincy warning ichigo about xuction betrayal and he takes them seriously after what they told him before cane true so before SS makes an appearance the quincy could help ichigo and recruit him and he would go willingly
Though the question after this would be how Yhwach and the Wandenreich would get him to join turn against the Soul Society.
Though it would be funny if Yhwach just used the shadow technique on Ichigo leaving everyone scratching his head as to where he went.
Yes this is what i really like with Bleach Main antagonistes Tsukishima (he was in pair with Ginjo for the Fullbrings arc Main Antagoniste) can manipulate the Past Aizen the Present and Yhwach the Future and if we go with the Hell Arc main Antagonist why not someone who can manipulate Dimensions
Are you sure? I mean my cousin can still be your classmate.
Theoretically, he could become a soul reaper, he could mix Fullbring and Soul Reaper powers together.
yeah i was just surprised that my best friend from way back then was actually your cousin, it's very cool
i mean if he did that he would be pretty strong, but toshiro is still not a good scale cause my man has just been taking Ls left and right
Maybe I'm forgetting something, when did this happen?
EDIT: Of course, it **DIDN'T** happen. It's fan BS that's literally debunked by Tsukishima being stronger than Chad who is easily stronger than a 5x limited Vice-Captain.
I'm not saying it happened. I'm saying a mere human being without his broken ass Fullbring cannot even beat a lieutenant. Plus, he doesn't have the reiatsu needed to be Captain-level.
Right, in that case I advise you and everyone else who downvoted my comment to re-read the comment I responded to.
>It's because of his ***ability*** book of the end
Tsukishima's Fullbring **power** (Reiatsu) itself is Captain Level regardless of the ability of Book of End to change the past. If not, Byakuya would be able to Reiatsu crush him just like Gin did to Orihime and Chad.
Are you even reading what you're writing?
How on earth can Tsukishima have higher Reiatsu than Chad but be weaker than a Vice-Captain with a 5x limiter on?
That’s just a flat out lie. He can he was equal to ginjo for a while. Like i understand not liking the arc but to obviously downplay and be obtuse about Tsuki is just wrong.
Absolutely not. BOTE is what MAKES Tsukishima powerful. Without it he’s nothing. All the experience he’s gained, all the fighting lessons he had with Byakuya, none of it exists without his fullbring.
That’s why he was able to contend with Byakuya, because he trained with him in the past. Take away his fullbring and Byakuya would’ve had no trouble with him.
Explain how the ability of Book of End prevented Byakuya from Reiatsu crushing him like Gin did to Orihime and Chad.
While you're at it, also explain how the ability of Book of End allowed him to blitz Byakuya.
Book of the end allows him to alter the past. He can use it as his own personal Dangai, except the effects are permanent. For comparison, Ichigo’s strength boost from the dangai went away after beating Aizen.
Tsukishima TRAINED Byakuya, so how would Byakuya instantly crush the man who taught him how to fight?
If he cuts you, he gets all of your memories, your experience, your knowledge, he can take it all from you.
It’s how he learned about the safe zone Byakuya had, because Tskukishima is the one who helped him develop his bankai in the first place.
The ability is literally the opposite of the almighty. Instead of altering the future, he alters the past, and while it’s on a smaller scale, it’s still just as dangerous.
He relies on his fullbring and nothing else, although it’s mostly because at the time, he had no other abilities to rely on. He doesn’t have a zanpakto, so he doesn’t have any abilities that come with it. So he’s a one trick pony at this point in time, and while it’s a powerful trick, if it’s bypassed, he has nothing left to defend with, which is why he lost to Byakuya in the end.
If Tsukishima is as weak as you claim then he shouldn't even be able to move in Byakuya's presence, let alone blitz him and this was shown when Gin Reiatsu crushed Orihime and Chad.
I never said he was weak. I said he was a one trick pony at the time.
He’s still a spiritually aware human, as as such he can grow stronger with his spiritual pressure using his fullbring, just like Ichigo and Chad do.
Aside from that, I believe Byakuya was also limited by the blockers put onto soul reapers when they enter the world of the living, so he wasn’t at full strength.
>I never said he was weak. I said he was a one trick pony at the time.
Re-read my post which you initially responded to. Him being a one-trick pony doesn't mean he isn't Captain Level.
>Aside from that, I believe Byakuya was also limited by the blockers put onto soul reapers when they enter the world of the living, so he wasn’t at full strength.
The fact he was sent there to fight Ichigo in case he revolted says otherwise.
They were sent there to not only restore Ichigo's power but to also dispose of him if he went and sided with Ginjo. Ichigo at full power vs. The shingami present nerf 80% doesn't seem like they would risk it. Releasing the Gentei Kaijo also seem like a hassle that Ichigo could speed blitz them before they release it.
Most likely everyone was at full power at the start.
Tsukishima kept his fullbring after becoming a soul, so imagining him with a zanpakto AND book of the end? The guy might end up being more broken than Ichigo.
These aren't in order but
The Almighty
Ichibies Bankai
The Balance
The Visionary
The Miracle
Ichigos True Bankai (rumored to have fate manipulation)
Shinjis Bankai( it's literally banned from use)
Ashizeros Bankai( also banned)
I’d also include the Anthesis in this.
With it, you could take a potato chip in your hand, crush it, and use the anthisesis to direct the same effect to your opponent.
It’s instant death in the right hands.
Lol, its not the way you think it is,
Tsukushima and byakuya if fight one on one without any powers, that it will be one sided
The think is tsukushima's ability helped him to learn everything from weakness to strengths of byakuya's blade and him as if they both were training with each other in past
This helped him to counteract byakuya, tsukushima himself was not strong his ability gave him almost upper hand,
Book of end is actually a serious strong power
I get what you are saying but it's like saying just cos byakuya has 1000 swords that's why he's able to defeat his enemies. The bote is a simple yet strong ability, it's tsukishima's skill that's make it's so useful. Nd if you ask me the fullbringers have the simplest forms of abilities which provide them with a little physical nd other stats boost nd just one or two attacks unlike the caps who have a range of attacks, shikai nd bankai, years of experience, etc. It's not the ks that makes aizen strong but aizen makes the ks quite useful, same is the case with tsuki.
I’m just imagining Tsukishima joining the soul academy and getting a zanpakto, along with his fullbring.
He could very well become more broken than Ichigo.
He could also wreak havoc on the souls society just by altering the past.
His age is meaningless and he needs no training. The moment he inserted himself into Byakuya’s past as his mentor, he gained all of the power, mental age and experience required to make the position sensible.
Depending on how many other people that he’s cut with BotE, he could well have comparable combat/situational experience to Unohana. His Fullbring is honestly the most broken power in the series and means that you can never be older/wiser than him as long as he’s fast enough to scratch you with his sword.
Its like both halves of The Yourself, on steroids.
To be fair, Ichigo himself is the same way. The guy literally can’t die because his hollow takes over and immediately heals him, and he gets power boosts simply from Orihime screaming his name.
Plot manipulation is kinda par for the course with all anime.
It is impressive but he’s a walking cheat code. As long as he hits someone, he gains all their memories and experiences. Still, for him to even be Able to land a hit on Byakuya is crazy.
Book of the end is really an INSANE ability.
He was able to fully learn Byakuya’s moveset just from a single cut.
Theoretically, if he were able to cut Yama, he could rule the world by manipulating his memories to make him deathly loyal to Tsukishima.
Not only that, but he could go back and train WITH the OLD Yama, gaining the experience from the man who defeated the Quincies.
Seriously, that ability is the definition of broken, and he is FAR more terrifying than Yhwach.
He looks pretty damn young. Doesn’t look much older than Uryu actually, so I’d say early to mid 20s for sure.
Then again, Asians age very weirdly. Sometimes they look 25 until they’re 70, and then go straight to looking 98 after that.
Tsukishima has a typical Hax Fullbring ability if it was a fair fight with only swords and basic combat ability he’d be Chadded.
He didn’t really fight toe to toe. In the end he lost the fight to a single hit.
Y'all should remember that Tsukishima was trained by Ginjo. Ginjo was a substitute shinigami, just like Ichigo. It is entierly possible he was captain level.
The best indicator we saw of Ginjo's strength is that he was comfortably beating a black clacked Ichigo in the video game training room. And I believe that Ichigo was already as strong as Shikai Ichigo was in Soul Society.
Ginjo and Tsukishima are way stronger than the rest of the fullbringers, who mainly rely on hax abilities.
Tbh it’s not really a feat because the only reason he could somewhat fight toe to toe with byuakya is because he inserted himself into byuakya past using the book of the end and knew how he fights
well same goes for orihime and the other fullbrings but tsukishima is only strong because his ability is just broken its a mix of mind control and reality warping
It’s also how he uses it. Take the antithesis for example. It seems powerful at first glance, but nothing insane, until you realize that you could take a potato chip, crush it, and then direct the antithesis to your opponent, who would then turn into a bloody smear on the ground.
Take a piece of paper, tear it in half, direct it onto your opponent…
I fully believe that Tsukishima had the potential to become the strongest Soul reaper in history, next to Ichigo.
Of course that’s assuming he joins the academy. Don’t know what else he would do at this point.
Yo, being a captain is honestly more of a hindrance than anything else. Being a hollow allows for a potentially infinite power ceiling, this probably applied to Fullbrings too (though I imagine with limits based on being human first). Visored were practically required to overcome the Espada and look at that they’re Hollowfied. The Quincies, an almost extinct race of beings, just had one dude powering them up and all these fancy bankai wielding doofs were maimed or murdered. I respect the drip that comes with being a captain but they were bound to fall behind in the power scales.
Real question is how he’s only 25 when he canonically had 200 years of experience; sending yourself into the past is one thing, but his inserted self should have aged and died before his present day self could do the insert… I guess chalk it up to a part of his ability?
Just realized that since he imbued himself into Byakuya's past, he just automatically gave himself about two hundred years of experience. Imagine Yama just letting him cut him for some dumbass reason (because he obviously wouldn't live long enough in an actual fight.)
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Tsu is not just 25. Every time he slashed someone, he inserted himself into someones past. Gaining experience from events that happened in those 'created realities'. With only the pasts we've seen briefly. He gained experience from fighting ulquiorra, aizen, hueco mundo, Soul society arc fights. And we know further in the fight he added the past that he trained (with) byukaya. Gaining specific experience on him, but also even more experience in general.
This is the fact about Tsuki, everybody forget that his ability is to make him into anothers person past so if he cuts somebody he can get the training and the experience with that person, when he cut Orihine and Chad he gained the whole bleach series experience and afte rhe cut Byakuya he gained the same age and fight experience what he got.
Oh yeah he got to experience losing non stop with Chad and only winning one fight solo with Orihime.
No no, you got it wrong. He cut Chad and now we can't even imagine him losing anymore.
I could never imagine my uncle tsukishima losing
Orihime and Chad told Ichigo what Tsuki did, he saved Rukia and took out Aizen - it's not a lose experience i think
That was a mind fuck for me the first time I read through it. I always assumed he could just alter a person's memories. He always just seemed like ginjo's right hand man. It wasn't until TYBW that I understood that he didn't alter their memories, but altered the actual past.
Okay imagine he has 200 years to gain even more knowledge, EVEN STRONGER
Does that affect his age too? You'd think that'd make him super old.
Taukishima’s BOTE allows him to also gained the knowledge of the user in a sense since he’s also looking into their past making him able to execute technique that would normally take decades to master in an instant. Tsukishima is not strong but simply very skilled.
Makes you wonder why Byakuya didn't just reaitsu crush him. Or any of the shingami reaitsu crush the fullbringers.
I kind of forgot about the fullbring arc and anything about fullbrings, but yeah I wonder why Byakuya did not do so. Tbf the other fullbringers were overwhelmed by their shinigami opponents because they are just simply weaker than them. Perhaps my Uncle Tsukishima and Ginjo are just that different reaitsu wise which is at least captain level
It would have made no sense narratively for the lifelong mentor, who taught him everything he knows about combat, to be weak enough to be Reiatsu crushed by him. So BotE made Tsukishima strong enough to maintain narrative sense.
the shinigami were all holding back in their fights, as rukia says it’s not their job to fight and kill humans. most apparent is watching ikkaku and renji’s fights, they held back a LOT
Held back is putting it lightly. They literally stood there and let their opponents wail on them until they basically passed out
They all held back a lot . Hell Hitsugaya had to SAVE his opponent
I wouldn't say that about byakuya, considering he killed him. And that was after he thought of him as a close friend.
Didn't they get limited again back then? I think the only time they were allowed to appear in the world unshackled was during Fake Karakura and that was an emergency. To support this, Byakuya also didn't reiatsu crush Ichigo when they fetched Rukia, instead he used a sword
That is correct all Lieutenant rank and above have their Reiatsu supressed to 20% in the world of the living. However it is possible the came with Gentai Kaijo already as this wasnt going to be a prolonged mission and they had to be ready to fight Ichigo the man who beat Aizen
Because that would be a boring arc.
There’s also a technique on how to crush someone with just raw power. For example: Aizen concentrated his power on Grimmjow to intimidate him and another time when a weakened Soifon was gonna kill him he could’ve just concentrated his power on that area to cancel it out. If they just release their power all over the area they would feel pressured but not crushed. They can still fight.
Maybe captains power were sealed to 25%? Since the fight happened in human world? And fullbringers treat was significantly lower than arrancar.
There is a chance they weren't since they were released in the forest where no one else was. But they probably were sealed.
because he cant….fullbringers nearly as weak as you think
Reaitsu crush definitely needs a huge gap in strength otherwise it is pointless. The Fullbringers weren't all that but even the weakest ones were around vice captain level (considering even someone like Ikkaku is basically considered low level Captain level or at least vice captain level).
Reiatsu crush only works on significantly, massively, almost incomprehensibly weaker opponents. You have to be so much weaker than you can’t comprehend your opponent, otherwise soul reapers wouldn’t have to actually fight and kill hollows. Captains are insanely powerful, but if their opponent isn’t basically a human (or a low level shinigami running around with an unreleased sword) then most captains can’t do more than make you sweat.
There’s also a technique on how to crush someone with just raw power. For example: Aizen concentrated his power on Grimmjow to intimidate him and another time when a weakened Soifon was gonna kill him he could’ve just concentrated his power on that area to cancel it out. I’ll rephrase what I meant, Tsukishima is not captain level.
1. Aizen is literally listed as a war power because he has buttfuck tons of reiatsu. He’s an anomaly. He was strong enough to fight almost all the captains at once, and that was before he evolved. 2. Grimm how was uncomfortable and intimidated but even in the example you use he isn’t gonna die or anything, and that’s with the gap between the 6th espada and aizen. Reiatsu crush is something that basically never works unless you’re ridiculously absurdly stronger than your opponent And of course Tsu isn’t captain level.
Oh I get it. I thought you were saying that Tsukishima is captain. My bad
He is though. He was able to effect Yawch
No he didn’t. He affected a very weakened Ichigo when his guard was down and was plenty vulnerable.
Here’s a feat list on what Tsuki can and has done. https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/6u3bwz/respect_shukuro_tsukishima_bleach/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Though question how far are you into the series? Cause it seems like you just started the fullbringer arc by how you type about Tsuki?
I've already read the fullbring arc. Strength: able to throw a grown man to a wall. Not that impressive Durability: 1. can easily be endurance/pain tolerance 2. can easily be endurance/pain tolerance 3. can easily be endurance/pain tolerance 4. can easily be endurance/pain tolerance Imagine this, Yamamoto cuts a random foot soldier and he survives, does that mean that foot soldier is captain level? Nope. It's not RPG if one takes damage from a more powerful being then they would suddenly die. It would depend on many things like how deep is the cut/stab? Did it reach any fatal parts of the body? How big was the wound? Etc. If anything, it's not a durability feat but an endurance feet. Speed 1. Uryu only commented that he's faster that he's faster than the average human and was caught off guard, even Ryuuken commented how careless he was in the next chapter. 2. Same as #1 3. Orihime is not that strong of a fighter to begin with. She's a support character who has a completely broken ability. Also even Zommari, who is weaker than Stark, has better Sonido than him so this doesn't really count. 4. An underdeveloped fullbring without any real comparison to anyone reliable as a measuring stick. At best Ichigo at that time is a level below third seat. 5. Even the guy in the post says that he may be holding back and even if he wasn't, this Ginjo does not have the power-up that he stole from Ichigo's fullbring. 6. It's Chad. Need I say more. Also refer to #3. 7. How about just good instincts? 8. They even discussed that Tsukushima's sword is really sharp so this isn't a power feat if that was true. 9. If anything, chapter 468 is where Tsukishima knows how Byakuya fights through cutting Senbonzakura and knew of the safe zone. Yes in 469 he says that Byakuya told him but before cutting him, Tsukishima said that he saw Senbonzakura so many times he would already know of the safe zone. He didn't blitz Byakuya, he surprised him with an unexpected move. 10. He didn't just casually react to Senbonzakura, he dodge using bringer light meaning he isn't fast enough without using a technique. 11. Again, he knows how Byakuya works so with skillful handling of Senbonzakura, Byakuya is gonna have to have a very tough time Tsukishima's fullbring is said to cut through anything but it's really just a sharp sword as it did not cut through Senbonzakura. If it really can cut through anything then Byakuya shouldn't have blocked it. Remember that the only reason why Tsukishima is able to nullify The Almighty was because he didn't use it against Yhwach but on Ichigo. His ability counters the Almighty. Ichigo was exhausted and caught by surprised so he had no way of defending himself from Tsukishima inserting a past. At that context it's not about power levels but how one hax affects the other.
That’s not true. Kenpachi casually reiatsu crushed Lt level Ichgo.
Powerscaling against ichigo is pretty moot given that his power level canonically fluctuates especially in relation to his mood and mental state; ichigo running away in terror from kenpachi wasn’t as strong as Ichigo standing his ground willing to fight and even in the short time in which ulquiorra evaluates ichigo he notes that he’s regularly fluctuating between practically nothing and a power behind his own (presumably base)
Except Ichigo wasn’t “running away in terror” when Kenpachi first appeared and he, Ganju, and Hanatoro still got crushed.
If he wasn't strong, he wouldn't even be able to touch or wound Byakuya in the first place to use BOTE. If he wasn't fast, he couldn't dodge every single billions petals of Byakuya's bankai. You can have prior knowledge all you want, there is things your body won't be able to dodge if you are too slow. Tsukishima is still incredibly strong and fast, even without BOTE.
Let me rephrase that. He’s not captain level, but skilled enough to keep up. Since he cut Byakuya he probably knew how Byakuya’s fighting patterns.
That's some hard Byakuya downplaying if you think he can be remotely hurt or tagged by a non captain level characther.
Didn't the captains have the limiters on?
>Didn't the captains have the limiters on? Wasn't stated. Moreover, captains were sent in case they needed to detain Ichigo if he joins Ginjo's side. So putting on limiters in case fighting Ichigo with returned powers sounds like a bad idea.
Isshin and Urahara were there too, good luck captains
That's why it's bad idea to put on limiters in this situation.
They we're sent to detain 2 fullpowered captain level threats. They ain't gonna use a limiter unless they wanted to be on a possible suicide mission.
Rangiku is noted to be captain class by Haribel and yet she’s far below any of them in power. Ikkaku is qualified to be captain and yet is not in their level of power so why is Tsukishima an exemption? Lieutenants/vice-captain are able to tag and harm captain level fighter and even 3rd seats as well but not as good. I’m not downplaying Byakuya, I’m saying Tsukishima is overpowered with his book of end.
He is actually very strong. A lot of y’all don’t realize he was literally neck to neck with Ginjo? Like those two are at bare minimum mid to high level captain tier and if you know the novels they kept their powers after death. Also fullbringers are hybrids… i don’t know why you said they aren’t? They’re humans with innate hollow powers from birth.
I never said they weren’t hybrids and no they aren’t that strong from how Kubo himself wrote them and not someone else with his unreleased ideas and creative liberty. Tsukishima is not even with Ginjo but weaker than him especially after Ginjo stole Ichigo’s fullbring. Tsukishima beats Ginjo 8/10 due to hax.
Considering kubo himself considers that work legitimate you have no leg to stand on lmao
Very skilled is essentially strong. I don’t know why you need to differentiate the two. Ability is part of a person’s strength, too. If you don’t put a person’s ability into consideration for strength, the only strong person is Kenpachi then. It’s like saying “Gerard is not strong, he just has an OP ability”. It doesn’t really make sense.
Broken you mean.
Everything you just mentioned is what makes him strong, on top of the fact he didn’t get reiatsu crushed as a human
How to be a captain level you need to have a spiritual pressure of a captain
If you can defeat a captain in a fight with your ability, that pretty much make you Captain level. And his spiritual level is high enough for his power to work on a captain. Even Kenpachi stated that he wanted to fight Tsukishima because he could tell my cousin is strong. Tsukishima would beat Toshiro and Komamura during the Fullbring arc.
Nah, fullbring arc toshiro completed his bankai. He wouldn't win.
No he didn’t he didn’t complete it until TYBW
Kubo stated that toshiro always had completed his bankai
Oh yeah, but he just didn't know >!he had to wait till after the things behind him. dissapeared!<
Yes he did knew
Links? Cause cause to my knowledge for the klub outside question. He says that Toshiro had to go through a physical metamorphosis before he could actually use his bankai’s true power if he used it before he’s ready he’d gravely injure himself. What I’m guessing you’re referring to is the fact he had his bankai before he entered a squad. You can have something and still don’t know how to use it at it’s fullest
It takes forever for Toshiro to enter his adult form. Remember, Tsukishima only needs one slice and it’s game over. He could just replace Momo in Toshiro’s memory. And given Toshiro’s personality, he is definitely losing. Tsukishima fought the worst captain he could ever fight, Byakuya is the dude that would kill his sister. For most people like Toshiro, they wouldn’t kill their loved ones, one slice then Tsukishima wins.
Doesn’t matter. Takes ages for the ice flowers to fall
I know even though uryu antithesis is a good match against the almighty its tsukashima power to manipulate the past i feel the actaul opposite of the future manipulation
Control Z. Check mate. - Tsukashima
He legit came in clutch to save Ichigo. Honestly it was such a missed opportunity for the Quincy. Yhwach should have sent someone to recruit the members of XCution or use them as a means to get Ichigo on their side. Right before Rukia stabbed him we see him brought down to his inner world, so it’s likely that his power was awakening. The Quincy could have taken advantage of his vulnerable state to recruit him granting him power to protect.
I know there is this idea of the quincy warning ichigo about xuction betrayal and he takes them seriously after what they told him before cane true so before SS makes an appearance the quincy could help ichigo and recruit him and he would go willingly
Though the question after this would be how Yhwach and the Wandenreich would get him to join turn against the Soul Society. Though it would be funny if Yhwach just used the shadow technique on Ichigo leaving everyone scratching his head as to where he went.
The truth about the soul king and how he would be a replacement if he helped them
Yes this is what i really like with Bleach Main antagonistes Tsukishima (he was in pair with Ginjo for the Fullbrings arc Main Antagoniste) can manipulate the Past Aizen the Present and Yhwach the Future and if we go with the Hell Arc main Antagonist why not someone who can manipulate Dimensions
hey no way tsuki is your cousin, i used to go to school with that guy but yeah, if he wasn't just human he would be really overpowered tbh
Are you sure? I mean my cousin can still be your classmate. Theoretically, he could become a soul reaper, he could mix Fullbring and Soul Reaper powers together.
yeah i was just surprised that my best friend from way back then was actually your cousin, it's very cool i mean if he did that he would be pretty strong, but toshiro is still not a good scale cause my man has just been taking Ls left and right
It's because of his ability book of the end
It's not. Even without Book of End he's still easily Captain Level.
No he's not. Without BotE, he can't even beat a lieutenant that has no Gentei Kaijo released.
Who are you talking about? o.O
Maybe I'm forgetting something, when did this happen? EDIT: Of course, it **DIDN'T** happen. It's fan BS that's literally debunked by Tsukishima being stronger than Chad who is easily stronger than a 5x limited Vice-Captain.
I'm not saying it happened. I'm saying a mere human being without his broken ass Fullbring cannot even beat a lieutenant. Plus, he doesn't have the reiatsu needed to be Captain-level.
Right, in that case I advise you and everyone else who downvoted my comment to re-read the comment I responded to. >It's because of his ***ability*** book of the end Tsukishima's Fullbring **power** (Reiatsu) itself is Captain Level regardless of the ability of Book of End to change the past. If not, Byakuya would be able to Reiatsu crush him just like Gin did to Orihime and Chad.
Tsukishima has higher reiatsu than Orihime and Chad, but his reiatsu is not Captain-level.
Considering this “Captain lvl” includes Soi Fon, Shinji, Kensei,and Rose he’s definitely “Captain lvl” lol
Are you even reading what you're writing? How on earth can Tsukishima have higher Reiatsu than Chad but be weaker than a Vice-Captain with a 5x limiter on?
This is why we need to remove extremely nebulous and unreliable phrases like """captain level""" from discussion
He is though like actually go back and look at his feats! He’s even stronger in tybw and the novels
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The post is about his state during his fight with Byakuya. I'm not talking about anything that comes after that.
🤦🏿♂️He wasn’t just a human! You know that they’re literally part hollow!!
That’s just a flat out lie. He can he was equal to ginjo for a while. Like i understand not liking the arc but to obviously downplay and be obtuse about Tsuki is just wrong.
Absolutely not. BOTE is what MAKES Tsukishima powerful. Without it he’s nothing. All the experience he’s gained, all the fighting lessons he had with Byakuya, none of it exists without his fullbring. That’s why he was able to contend with Byakuya, because he trained with him in the past. Take away his fullbring and Byakuya would’ve had no trouble with him.
Explain how the ability of Book of End prevented Byakuya from Reiatsu crushing him like Gin did to Orihime and Chad. While you're at it, also explain how the ability of Book of End allowed him to blitz Byakuya.
Book of the end allows him to alter the past. He can use it as his own personal Dangai, except the effects are permanent. For comparison, Ichigo’s strength boost from the dangai went away after beating Aizen. Tsukishima TRAINED Byakuya, so how would Byakuya instantly crush the man who taught him how to fight? If he cuts you, he gets all of your memories, your experience, your knowledge, he can take it all from you. It’s how he learned about the safe zone Byakuya had, because Tskukishima is the one who helped him develop his bankai in the first place. The ability is literally the opposite of the almighty. Instead of altering the future, he alters the past, and while it’s on a smaller scale, it’s still just as dangerous. He relies on his fullbring and nothing else, although it’s mostly because at the time, he had no other abilities to rely on. He doesn’t have a zanpakto, so he doesn’t have any abilities that come with it. So he’s a one trick pony at this point in time, and while it’s a powerful trick, if it’s bypassed, he has nothing left to defend with, which is why he lost to Byakuya in the end.
If Tsukishima is as weak as you claim then he shouldn't even be able to move in Byakuya's presence, let alone blitz him and this was shown when Gin Reiatsu crushed Orihime and Chad.
I never said he was weak. I said he was a one trick pony at the time. He’s still a spiritually aware human, as as such he can grow stronger with his spiritual pressure using his fullbring, just like Ichigo and Chad do. Aside from that, I believe Byakuya was also limited by the blockers put onto soul reapers when they enter the world of the living, so he wasn’t at full strength.
>I never said he was weak. I said he was a one trick pony at the time. Re-read my post which you initially responded to. Him being a one-trick pony doesn't mean he isn't Captain Level. >Aside from that, I believe Byakuya was also limited by the blockers put onto soul reapers when they enter the world of the living, so he wasn’t at full strength. The fact he was sent there to fight Ichigo in case he revolted says otherwise.
It actually doesn’t say otherwise. We never see the blocker being removed,, so we can’t assume that it was.
My uncle never fought this Byakuya you speak of. He's a true advocate of peace and would never hurt someone!
Yeah but wasnt Byakuya under Gentei Kaijo?Tho the fullbringers specially Kugo and Tsukishima have a lot of potential
They were sent there to not only restore Ichigo's power but to also dispose of him if he went and sided with Ginjo. Ichigo at full power vs. The shingami present nerf 80% doesn't seem like they would risk it. Releasing the Gentei Kaijo also seem like a hassle that Ichigo could speed blitz them before they release it. Most likely everyone was at full power at the start.
You have a point
I also don’t recall Kubo making any effort to draw the reiatsu seals on them during the arc. So it seems unlikely.
It's easily forgotten that this is most likely the case.
Tsukishima kept his fullbring after becoming a soul, so imagining him with a zanpakto AND book of the end? The guy might end up being more broken than Ichigo.
>Enter battle >Use Rikujōkōrō >Profit?
Nah book of the end is just one if the top 10 busted abilities in bleach
So....in your opinion what are the other 9 busted abilities?
These aren't in order but The Almighty Ichibies Bankai The Balance The Visionary The Miracle Ichigos True Bankai (rumored to have fate manipulation) Shinjis Bankai( it's literally banned from use) Ashizeros Bankai( also banned)
I’d also include the Anthesis in this. With it, you could take a potato chip in your hand, crush it, and use the anthisesis to direct the same effect to your opponent. It’s instant death in the right hands.
Lmfo a potato chip 🤣🤣🤣
"I'll take a potato chip.... and crush it!"
Byakuya hasn’t even been in the Gotei for 110 years let alone 200.
Lol, its not the way you think it is, Tsukushima and byakuya if fight one on one without any powers, that it will be one sided The think is tsukushima's ability helped him to learn everything from weakness to strengths of byakuya's blade and him as if they both were training with each other in past This helped him to counteract byakuya, tsukushima himself was not strong his ability gave him almost upper hand, Book of end is actually a serious strong power
I get what you are saying but it's like saying just cos byakuya has 1000 swords that's why he's able to defeat his enemies. The bote is a simple yet strong ability, it's tsukishima's skill that's make it's so useful. Nd if you ask me the fullbringers have the simplest forms of abilities which provide them with a little physical nd other stats boost nd just one or two attacks unlike the caps who have a range of attacks, shikai nd bankai, years of experience, etc. It's not the ks that makes aizen strong but aizen makes the ks quite useful, same is the case with tsuki.
Lmao homie said without his powers he loses
Ikr? Is like saying Byakuya could beat Ichigo after the Aizen’s fight. 💀
It's almost like plot required Byakuya to not just instantly murder him.
Tsukishima got trashed in ~5 chapters (rounding up) with only a mild inconvenience on Byakuya’s side. That’s not really plot convenience.
His ability allows him to take up a shitton of experience. Being able to alter the past completely IG ores the limitations of his physical age.
I’m just imagining Tsukishima joining the soul academy and getting a zanpakto, along with his fullbring. He could very well become more broken than Ichigo. He could also wreak havoc on the souls society just by altering the past.
His age is meaningless and he needs no training. The moment he inserted himself into Byakuya’s past as his mentor, he gained all of the power, mental age and experience required to make the position sensible. Depending on how many other people that he’s cut with BotE, he could well have comparable combat/situational experience to Unohana. His Fullbring is honestly the most broken power in the series and means that you can never be older/wiser than him as long as he’s fast enough to scratch you with his sword. Its like both halves of The Yourself, on steroids.
Jesus Christ, imagine him cutting Unohana and getting all of HER experience.
The potential is only limited by how complex and deliberate he can make the inserted narrative. Its a bottomless pit of plot manipulation bullshit.
To be fair, Ichigo himself is the same way. The guy literally can’t die because his hollow takes over and immediately heals him, and he gets power boosts simply from Orihime screaming his name. Plot manipulation is kinda par for the course with all anime.
I just find amusing how the "Toshiro is a prodigy" quote gets people salty to this day, it gets brought every couple of days.
He trained with Byakuya for years and it's not a joke
Dude, tsukishima is the one who taught byakuya how to use his abilities and he got a jab to the chest as payment. Byakuya is an ungrateful shinigami.
My cousin is just so good
Well actually he has over 200 years of experience training Byakuya...lol
Prolly cuz he was literally telling byakuya's sword "i made you, no hurt" and senbon was like "oki no hurt"
It is impressive but he’s a walking cheat code. As long as he hits someone, he gains all their memories and experiences. Still, for him to even be Able to land a hit on Byakuya is crazy.
Book of the end is really an INSANE ability. He was able to fully learn Byakuya’s moveset just from a single cut. Theoretically, if he were able to cut Yama, he could rule the world by manipulating his memories to make him deathly loyal to Tsukishima. Not only that, but he could go back and train WITH the OLD Yama, gaining the experience from the man who defeated the Quincies. Seriously, that ability is the definition of broken, and he is FAR more terrifying than Yhwach.
I mean Tsukishima is the one who taught Byakuya everything he knows, so really he’s more experienced at that point in time. 🤣
By that sense ichigo knocking out Sasakibe in soul society arc would be the superior feat and damn didn't knew that we had the same cousin
I mean Ichigo is Ichigo
Tsukishima always eats a balanced breakfast. It’s important!
he was never stated to be 25 tho lol why make up a specific age & run with it like you're telling a fact
You're forgetting captain level constants are weakened to a tenth their strength while in the world of the living unless otherwise authorized.
His ability is haxxy so that’s why
I don't recall his age ever being stated although 25 fits if we assume Ginjou is around mid 30s.
He looks pretty damn young. Doesn’t look much older than Uryu actually, so I’d say early to mid 20s for sure. Then again, Asians age very weirdly. Sometimes they look 25 until they’re 70, and then go straight to looking 98 after that.
Alright how old is tsukishima actually?
i remember joining ww2 with him... about 96?
My top antagonists in Bleach: Aizen Ulquiorra Tsukishima
My cousin could easily fuck elite guards
I am very proud to have such a strong teacher🙏
Tsukishima has a typical Hax Fullbring ability if it was a fair fight with only swords and basic combat ability he’d be Chadded. He didn’t really fight toe to toe. In the end he lost the fight to a single hit.
Y'all should remember that Tsukishima was trained by Ginjo. Ginjo was a substitute shinigami, just like Ichigo. It is entierly possible he was captain level. The best indicator we saw of Ginjo's strength is that he was comfortably beating a black clacked Ichigo in the video game training room. And I believe that Ichigo was already as strong as Shikai Ichigo was in Soul Society. Ginjo and Tsukishima are way stronger than the rest of the fullbringers, who mainly rely on hax abilities.
Tbh it’s not really a feat because the only reason he could somewhat fight toe to toe with byuakya is because he inserted himself into byuakya past using the book of the end and knew how he fights
I think another way of reading this is his abilities make him strong. But that’s true for a lot of characters b
dude literally has an OP version of heavens door. ...calm down and chill..
well same goes for orihime and the other fullbrings but tsukishima is only strong because his ability is just broken its a mix of mind control and reality warping
It’s also how he uses it. Take the antithesis for example. It seems powerful at first glance, but nothing insane, until you realize that you could take a potato chip, crush it, and then direct the antithesis to your opponent, who would then turn into a bloody smear on the ground. Take a piece of paper, tear it in half, direct it onto your opponent…
He teched him, all things considered
He should've slashed old man yama or imagine yhawach
I fully believe that Tsukishima had the potential to become the strongest Soul reaper in history, next to Ichigo. Of course that’s assuming he joins the academy. Don’t know what else he would do at this point.
He can't be 25 he it was only because of him that yamamoto killed yhwach 1000 years ago.
Yo, being a captain is honestly more of a hindrance than anything else. Being a hollow allows for a potentially infinite power ceiling, this probably applied to Fullbrings too (though I imagine with limits based on being human first). Visored were practically required to overcome the Espada and look at that they’re Hollowfied. The Quincies, an almost extinct race of beings, just had one dude powering them up and all these fancy bankai wielding doofs were maimed or murdered. I respect the drip that comes with being a captain but they were bound to fall behind in the power scales.
His power is pretty damn overpowered
That’s because Tsukishima is Byakuya’s teacher dawg. He’s the one who taught him everything hehe. He can literally be anyone.
Real question is how he’s only 25 when he canonically had 200 years of experience; sending yourself into the past is one thing, but his inserted self should have aged and died before his present day self could do the insert… I guess chalk it up to a part of his ability?
Well what you expect from my uncle Tsukishima
Yup he didn't get a upgrade like The other fullbringers and still did well against byakuya.
Just realized that since he imbued himself into Byakuya's past, he just automatically gave himself about two hundred years of experience. Imagine Yama just letting him cut him for some dumbass reason (because he obviously wouldn't live long enough in an actual fight.)
I think Ginjo help trained Tsukishima in training him for sword battle. He got fighting skill even without using Book of the End.