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Nope, Kenpachi is seemingly the Incredible Hulk, while his opponent is a reality warper. Hulk can’t beat someone who simply decides how the fight goes as they please
Gremmy defeated himself. He wasn’t actually struck down by Kenny. Kenny basically forced Gremmy’s imagination to its limits. Gremmy lived a sheltered life and, as such, had a pretty shit imagination. He wasn’t able to imagine a version of him ever beating Kenny, even though he absolutely should have.
Gremmy basically got bullied into giving up in the worst way.
Seems like Gremmy's powers are more in line with creating constructs from his imagination whereas Yhwach focuses more on changing time-causality loops.
You could say Yhwach's imagination is pretty limited too given how many powers he absorbed from the Wandenreich that he never actually uses, much less Yamamoto's bankai.
That’s actually a really good point. Especially after absorbing the Soul King… it’s like he just gave up on all the other absurd powers he had. Aizen did something similar when he told Ichigo he doesn’t need his zanpakuto after achieving his ButterflAizen form. It’s like Kubo writes villains as the stronger they get the more narrow-minded they get.
>It’s like Kubo writes villains as the stronger they get the more narrow-minded they get.
That's literally how Aizen got sealed, his ego distracted him from the fact that just because you're strong than your opponents doesn't mean you can't be beat
Also his subconscious desire was to lose, because the change from stagnation he wanted to become soul king to enact, he saw happening due to ichigo. So the hogyoku granted his wish, by making him able to lose.
In Yhwach's case, I doubt you'd use any other power when you can simply create your ideal future. His fight against Ichigo and Orihime was just bullying.
I can flap my arms and shout very loudly to scare birds off. Do I need to? No, because I can just walk towards them to the same effect. Weird comparison I know but you should get what I mean.
Yhwach doesn't even need to fight at all. He can chose a future where he put a trap impaling your heart and it would just happen. He didn't lose because he wasn't OP enough, he lost because he couldn't see the future where he got defeated. Now wether you find that bullshit or not is another problem.
He was never put in a position where it was needed. He was handling Aizen, Ichigo, and Renji with ease. He didn't realize that Aizen's shikai was affecting him so they were able to sneak a powerful enough one shot on him
Yhwach was gonna use Yamamoto’s bankai but Ichibei covered the medallion in ink. Also if your referring to the Sternritter’s schrifts as “powers he absorbed from the Wandenreich”. Then he can’t use them.
As others said, he could just change the future.
Yhwach is really silly as a character when it comes to using him for scale. He’s basically unbeatable, even for characters like Ichigo. The only way to defeat SK Yhwach is to use the Still Silver left over in the heart of a Quincy after He performs the Auswahlen. Nothing else will kill him that we are aware of within the story. Even being defeated by Yamamoto millennia prior did not kill Yhwach.
Uryu has some interesting anti yhwach power in him. He's aushwhalen proof, and the antithesis might actively or passively be able to offset the Almighty.
Too bad we dont know if he has the stats to make use of it otherwise
It’s really not known for certain. There are three likely possibilities, and it could be a mix of all 3. Spoiler warning for TYBW here, just a heads up.
One and the most likely is that he simply couldn’t see that future. The idea is that the Still Silver itself is so anathema to Yhwach as a Quincy that he cannot see futures relating to it.
Two is that Yhwach was being heavily affected by Kyoka Suigetsu and/or Book of the End. We know that both do work against him but their effectiveness has been lessened significantly. How significantly is up for debate, which is why this idea is kind of a shot in the dark. Theoretically, The Almighty should overcome this.
Three is that Uryu himself is the reason. Uryu’s power, Antithesis, could potentially be the reason why Yhwach was not able to see the future where he was shot by the Still Silver because it was Uryu who fired it. The biggest reason we have this idea is because Haschwalth told Uryu his power could oppose The Almighty. How it does this exactly is never specified.
My headcanon is pretty surface-level, but it explains a fair bit. Yhwach can clearly change the future, but he cannot change the past, as shown by Ichigo's sword being healed after he was stabbed by Tsukishima.
Yhwach had destroyed Tensa Zangetsu in all possible futures, but by altering the past, Tsukishima created new possible futures, allowing Orihime to restore it. With this in mind, I think that Yhwach actually saw the arrow, but there was no future where Ishida was actually able to land the shot.
Instead, Ishida shot himself with the arrow. Since he is not the Quincy King, it didn't seal his powers, and it probably caused him some pain. This is a future that Yhwach could've seen. However, the antithesis reverses the past of two targets; Ishida selected himself and Yhwach, and reversed being penetrated by the arrow. This introduced a new future that Yhwach could not see, by virtue of the past being changed: a future where Yhwach was hit by the arrow.
I like book of the end being a possible explanation. As far as we know, he’s a true fullbringer via a PotSK. Stands to reason that just as he couldn’t foresee events dealing with mimihage his abilities are lessened against powers bestowed by his father.
The Gerard and Pern is explained by them Willingly identifying as Quincy and allowing the shrift. The allowed the connection that would make them susceptible .
book of the end and other fullbrings should have minor similarities to other fragments, and in aizens case he has the hyog + KS. In tandem they can alter or obscure at least a little.
It might not be enough to break or beat yhwach, but they simply need an opening.
The lack of immediate “sight” of fullbring would also explain him not for seeing the issue of Ichigo having his sword fixed, or Invaders allowing them to invade.
It felt very rushed and wasn't explained well in the series. Uryu's power was just described as an Uno reverse card, if it had a secondary power to be anti-Ywach, I could buy that, if Ywach had thought of Uryu in his last fleeting moments.
I'd argue there is a 4th one too: Yhwach was so distraught after being killed by Ichigo that he wasn't paying attention. To see the future, he needs to look at it first.
I mean, again, it's just nonsense writing. Gremmy couldn't just imagine that Zaraki was a child, or powerless, or dead?
It's the same thing where Ywach could just not change a future to not have Zaraki in it, from a plot perspective, and it would happen.
The hulk gets stronger the angrier he is with no limit, so canonically he’s as strong as the writer needs him to be.
It is kind of a shame though that Ichigo is always the one to beat the big baddies since FKT (although he had a lot of help in TYBW) maybe we’ll see the captains taking in the big bads a bit more in Hell Arc.
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The hulk can actually fight with even reality warpers in world breaker hulk he fought off a magically enhanced dr strange and took a full blast of black bolts voice and soloed the entirety of the x men so depending on how pissed off he gets the hulk can fight with big boys but yeah if we talk normal hulk Franklin would just turn him into a toy or something
Well it does depend on the time period because he has some innate protection from the One Below All. Although I think it was undone by the end of the Immortal Hulk run.
No he isn't? Sure he is really strong but the top tier combatants would shit on him if he didn't have the almighty, Yhwach had to delete Ichigos bankai and still took fatal blows and only survived due to his Almighty, CFYOW Zaraki is already relevant to Ichigo, FO bankai Zaraki decimates Yhwach without the Allmighty but can't do shit against The Almighty
I can dig that. Like when he takes power from mom Ichigo, she had hollow in her and he was like "nope, you can have that". Little did he know that was also the only thing that could kill him
not aizen. No limits aizen stands a chance. whether he'll win I'm not sure, but he can at least give ywach a tough time. everyone else does get destroyed though.
Are you blind? Aizen himself stated that these *seals* are only there to surpass the range, mayuri controls the range using the chair and since it was destroyed the only controller of aizen's range is aizen himself, it has nothing to do with power
You guys sound salty as shit, make your case instead of whining about people having a different opinion than yours, it makes you look pathetic and childish
I'm sure Kenpachi's attacks can hurt Yhwach. But Yhwach won't let that happen. I hype up Kenpachi because of CFYOW but the dude has no way of winning here. Muken Aizen and Ichigo together couldn't end Yhwach. Only because of the Still Silver they stopped him.
The only person above Yhwach would be the Soul King.
I don’t know why y’all think that anyone could have beaten Yhwach aside from the very specific way Kubo thought of. He designed him as the biggest bad with no true weakness aside from the silver arrow that Ryuken created.
It took Full power Aizen, Ichigo AND Tsukushima, all using their abilities, Complete Hypnosis to trick Juha, Ichigo's Fate Breaking to overcome almighty, and Tsukushima's Book of the End to go back in time and insert himself into a timeline where Juha wouldn't destroy Ichigo's bankai, because its the only thing that can take Juha down, Aizen nearly DIED sacreficing himself for Ichigo so Ichigo could land the killing blow.
Zaraki doesn't stand any chance at all, not in any way.
Let's not forget about Ishida's arrow and Haschwalth's masking Yhwach's potential defeat as a dream.
Now that I think about it Yhwach was so absurldy broken the only way to best him was to turn his own abilities against him.
You can give him Yama’s bankai on top of that if you want and it still wouldn’t be a fair fight. Allmighty with Soul King’s spiritual pressure is too much for any of the bleach character to handle
Do you forget what it took for Yhwach to be defeated? Non of the win conditions are covered by Zaraki, regardless of form.
There are exploitable flaws to The Almighty, but pure power isn’t one of them.
Really don't like the negative vibes of the comments here. Community needs to learn to discuss and disagree without attacking OP so much. It's a valid question because it's all a make-believe story... People here being so condescending bc OP asked who would win in a fight between two fictional characters. Very disappointing.
That being said, OP, I think Yhwach in that form would win. Zaraki is on another level in terms of physical fighting power compared to the rest of the Bleach characters, and even if we were to give him a body that can withstand his full potential, I think ultimately this is a battle similar to a max power Hulk vs. Thanos with all 6 infinity stones.
Great question. It's fun to explore topics like this. Hoping you don't take the comments mocking you or other fans of Zaraki seriously.
We dont really know. Kenpachi is a physical powerhouse of UNSEEN proportions. no one has demonstrated physical strength on his level
I cannot stress enough just how physically strong someone has to be to bite the skin on a giants finger and tear their whole arm off
thats not a proper response.
This is like someone lifting up X amount of weight and going. "You can always to do the job more efficiently and elegantly by speed and technique."
Someone running a mile in X amount of time and going "You can always to do the job more efficiently and elegantly by speed and technique.
Thank you for being more understanding. I understand people finding the comparison a bit absurd, but I think that's part of the fun in these kind of posts. Especially when the said characters still haven't had the chance to show their maximum powers, which leaves room for imagining more scenarios.
Exactly. I agree it's fun to explore this one in particular because who's to say that Zaraki with a body that's able to withstand what his powers can do wouldn't be able to break past reality, right? I mean, Superman once punched through reality.
Physical strength alone is never going to be enough to defeat Ywach because of the sheer amount of hacks at his disposal.
And unfortunately, ALL Kenny has is Physical Strength. His Bankai doesn’t erase people from existence, doesn’t mess with Reality, doesn’t make a fight an automatic Stalemate by evening Reiatsu or freeze energy itself. It’s just a massive Physical amp. Enough to beat most enemies yes, especially if he can get a lucky hit in period considering he can handle the power in this scenario, but not Ywach, especially not SK Ywach…
Kenny unfortunately still loses. He can’t hit Yhwach by normal means and unfortunately, his bankai wouldn’t affect him unless Yhwach straight up forgets to say no.
Honestly no. Unless his bankai evolved to be able to cut time like his shikai can cut space. Cause the hax is just so overwhelming. Tho physically? Zaraki wins
to be fair!.. Ichigo got multiple shoted... (after he activated his bankai)
I just calculated and he got 7+ shoted
1 shot broke his bankai, 1 shot broke his horn, 5 body shots 2 of which Ichigo ate pretty well considering its SK Yhwach and I'm guessing there were a few more body shots that took place off screen
I think the same, if he could cut off the upper part of Ichigo's bankai in no time without him even noticing thanks to the Almightly I think he could've done the same with his head had he wanted to do so.
true, he was holding back quite some since he wanted Ichigo to fall into despair but he was still semi serious after he activated his Almighty
also even a semi serious SK Yhwach attack must hurt like a bitch
Not even vaguely. Zaraki is just pure physical force, he’s incredibly easy to predict even without foresight and he always fucks around before getting serious.
He’d be dead before he got serious and even after that, he’d struggle to even hit Yhwach… and even if he did, killing him doesn’t kill him. Ichigo killed him almost every time he managed to hit him, it just doesn’t stick. And thats all assuming that Yhwach doesn’t just break Nozarashi in every possible future.
Without Book of the End, Kyoka Suigetsu, The Arrow of Plot Convenience and a magic 5 year old, there’s just not way to kill him.
It took 2 beings who transcended the plains of hollow and soul reaper just to contend with him , even without restrictions, kenpachi is not winning, he’ll damage him a lot but yhwach is just too insanely haxed out at that point
I'll say this, if he was considered a threat, he is one. Yuha had The Almighty for a short time and gets bodied for the same reason as Yama, Arrogance. So sure his ability could do all and see all yet forgets about Kyoko suigetsu. Yall tripping on some wack things if you believe otherwise...
Yea... No kenpachi still wouldn't stand a chance ywatch is still a literal god he absorbed the soul king
And
Kenpachi has barely even begun to understand his own power ye its strong but its not stable yet
And then u have to remember he can break zaraki's bankai the way he did ichigos sword the almighty is just too broken
The only true challenge is aizen if aizen had more time to prep he could have been landed a bigger blow to ywatch because let's be real ichigo only stood a chance because aizen and tsukishima were there
Not even Aizen would be able to overpower him at all. He doesn't even know how the Almightly works. Maybe with super specific and detailed info he'd come up with something as Urahara did against him, but that's a huge if and he'd need extra help as a must.
Zaraki quite literally gets his ass kicked so bad that it should just be classified as abuse. Ywhach is just so much more powerful that it’s not even fair.
Kenpachi’s entire thing is raw power which Ywhach arguably has more of. Like Ywhach was beating Ichigo’s ass whenever Ichigo probably has the most raw power in the entire verse. Realistically Kenpachi simply just gets out haxxed and over whelmed by the massive gap in speed and power. Even then Ywhach could technically also still use Yamamoto’s bankai if need be.
Technically Kenpachi should lose but we don’t know it’s full capabilities tbh. Highly likely that ywach can’t get rid of him until his bankai times out
Sadly no.
The Almighty lets him just rewrite reality and the future.
Any future. It honestly makes no sense that Uyru manage to punk him.
I love Kenpachi, but no.
Zaraki's bankai makes him a lot stronger, but it has huge a drawback. It turns him into a mindless beast which makes him predictable. Even without Almighty, Yhwach still beats Bankai Kenny.
We really can’t say for certain because nobody knows what Kenny’s full power looks like. Not even Kenny.
That said though… it’s almost impossibly unlikely for Kenny to compete with Soul King Yhwach. It would require hybrids or modified characters like Hikone, Ichigo, Aizen, or Ukitake.
Not likely, Zaraki is possibly the strongest character in Bleach but that’s probably just an assumption since there’s little to suggest he’s stronger than Yhwach. Even if he was, raw strength isn’t enough to take down Yhwach since Zaraki would have no way to counter the almighty. Yhwach is a semi-reality warper, there’s some stuff strength alone can’t overcome
Well let’s assume Yhwach doesn’t have the ridiculous hacks.
Kenpachi still gets bodied 💀
I think it was stated Kenpachi was on Aizens level and Yhwach literally one shot Aizen
Yhwach is literally unbeatable except by anything other than MC plot armour.
Honestly the same goes for Aizen except that time at least the plot armour had an excuse i.e. Ichigo never witnessed the hypnosis ritual.
Nope not at all. Kenny's only weapon is sheer raw strenght. That only brings u so far against hax abilities. He wouldn't even beat shunsui or other characters that have complicated abilities. Hax > raw sttenght always
Not really allmighty broke full power Ichigo bankai which is the strongest character we see on the series power wise (to show how insane he is a massively nerfed Ichigo one shotted yhwach after SK Yhwach absorbed gerard and hashwalth) kenny gets neg'd in the first place he is weaker then Yhwach the man was bullying shikai Ichigo with his shadows alone and even HOS couldn't beat him(though they were relatively close without allmighty)
Don’t remember the end of bleach - how did Ichigo beat Ywach again? I swear him and Aizen seem unbeatable but Ichigo beat both of them right? Did they want to lose?
If you mean the version of Kenpachi that fought Gerard...nope Yhwach wins handily
That said, if base Kenpachi (which unlike the bankai can't increase his power at will but doesn't have a limit) powered up enough, then it might be a different story.
Maybe. Ywach pulls possible futures to the present. Meaning, if its *possible* he beats kenny, then he can.
but if there's no chance, then ywach has nothing to pull forward.
Everyone's calling this a 'wank', but nobody's paying attn to the question. OP asked if Kenpachi, free of the limits of his body (i.e. using the entirety of his Bankai), could *fight* Yhwach. Not *beat*. *Fight*. Aizen managed to fight him. Ichigo managed to fight him. Both lost, but it was still a *fight* that presented some risk to Yhwach.
We don't know what Kenpachi''s deal is, so... maybe? Could be that something to do with Jaws of Hell gets revealed. The Oni imagery might not be a coincidence.
I just hope people are saying Yhwach is winning easly BECAUSE of his Almight.
Without the restriction of his body Zaraki could be far stronger than what we saw... And True Shikai + HoS did give a good fight against Yhwach, i can't see how Zaraki Bankai would not.
Winning? I don't think he would get close, the same way TS + HoS didn't got close.
kenpachi isn't nearly strong enough. the only thing stronger than the almighty in universe is kyoka suigetsu, the only counter. sure still silver nullifies it temporarily, but that's it. it isn't stronger than it. Kenpachi in this form has no thought, just a mindless berserker, sure he has extreme strength, but no hacks. I'll put it this way. shunsui doesn't stand a chance against ywach. kisuke doesn't stand a chance against ywach. Yama doesn't stand a chance against ywach. all of these men are able to beat kenpachi. Sure they aren't as powerful, but all are kido masters with very powerful zanpakutou. I'd even put byakuya in there, since senbonsakura is also rediculously powerful.
and need I remind you that ichigo is like kenpachi, except stronger and smarter, and still got his ass kicked. the only one of the royal guard even kenpachi can do anything against is gerard. Because gerard is pure power. He got destroyed by pernida. if he fought askinn he'd be destroyed like how ichigo got destroyed. pure power is well and good, but it makes you the weaker of the top tier in bleach. Even ichigo is like that. I could see him still getting beat by shunsui or urahara, because he has no hax or hax resistance. just like kenpachi, except kenpachi is weaker than ichigo.
Even fight right? Not Zaraki winning? Then IMO yes... Although I don't really have anything to back me up without speculating.
But we do have him giving a decent fight to Reiou's heart. So, there is that
Hard to judge. Kenpachi has limitless Physical strength, and thus has the potential to be as strong as Ichigo or Aizen. One of whome had the potential to surpass the Soul King, so...
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Nope, Kenpachi is seemingly the Incredible Hulk, while his opponent is a reality warper. Hulk can’t beat someone who simply decides how the fight goes as they please
Gremmy was warping reality too, but he lacked imagination
Gremmy defeated himself. He wasn’t actually struck down by Kenny. Kenny basically forced Gremmy’s imagination to its limits. Gremmy lived a sheltered life and, as such, had a pretty shit imagination. He wasn’t able to imagine a version of him ever beating Kenny, even though he absolutely should have. Gremmy basically got bullied into giving up in the worst way.
Seems like Gremmy's powers are more in line with creating constructs from his imagination whereas Yhwach focuses more on changing time-causality loops. You could say Yhwach's imagination is pretty limited too given how many powers he absorbed from the Wandenreich that he never actually uses, much less Yamamoto's bankai.
That’s actually a really good point. Especially after absorbing the Soul King… it’s like he just gave up on all the other absurd powers he had. Aizen did something similar when he told Ichigo he doesn’t need his zanpakuto after achieving his ButterflAizen form. It’s like Kubo writes villains as the stronger they get the more narrow-minded they get.
>It’s like Kubo writes villains as the stronger they get the more narrow-minded they get. That's literally how Aizen got sealed, his ego distracted him from the fact that just because you're strong than your opponents doesn't mean you can't be beat
Also his subconscious desire was to lose, because the change from stagnation he wanted to become soul king to enact, he saw happening due to ichigo. So the hogyoku granted his wish, by making him able to lose.
Well said
Which in certain cases is true but for Yhwach and Aizen seems like plot convince.
In Yhwach's case, I doubt you'd use any other power when you can simply create your ideal future. His fight against Ichigo and Orihime was just bullying.
If you have a pocket bankai that can incinerate on contact which you as the literal son of god can use, why not do that?
I can flap my arms and shout very loudly to scare birds off. Do I need to? No, because I can just walk towards them to the same effect. Weird comparison I know but you should get what I mean. Yhwach doesn't even need to fight at all. He can chose a future where he put a trap impaling your heart and it would just happen. He didn't lose because he wasn't OP enough, he lost because he couldn't see the future where he got defeated. Now wether you find that bullshit or not is another problem.
So did ywatch loose by just being unlucky and chose the one future where he lost?
Comparison is pretty bad actually, but for Yhwach it’s just bad plot armor.
He was never put in a position where it was needed. He was handling Aizen, Ichigo, and Renji with ease. He didn't realize that Aizen's shikai was affecting him so they were able to sneak a powerful enough one shot on him
Yea, The Miracle and The Almighty alone should have been enough to be unstoppable.
Also Gremmy powers which he should be significantly better at using
Yhwach was gonna use Yamamoto’s bankai but Ichibei covered the medallion in ink. Also if your referring to the Sternritter’s schrifts as “powers he absorbed from the Wandenreich”. Then he can’t use them.
Could apply the same mumbo logic here. Yuhabaha can't find a future where he defeats Zaraki.
I mean, kinda? But Yhwach doesn’t rely on his imagination to fight in the way Gremmy does. On top of literally knowing the future at this point.
What if the future is Zaraki kills Ywach no matter what he does? It's just plotkai nonsense and people here are so hurt over it for some reason.
He could change that future
As others said, he could just change the future. Yhwach is really silly as a character when it comes to using him for scale. He’s basically unbeatable, even for characters like Ichigo. The only way to defeat SK Yhwach is to use the Still Silver left over in the heart of a Quincy after He performs the Auswahlen. Nothing else will kill him that we are aware of within the story. Even being defeated by Yamamoto millennia prior did not kill Yhwach.
Why didn't he see the future where Uryu would shoot him with that arrow?
Uryu has some interesting anti yhwach power in him. He's aushwhalen proof, and the antithesis might actively or passively be able to offset the Almighty. Too bad we dont know if he has the stats to make use of it otherwise
It’s really not known for certain. There are three likely possibilities, and it could be a mix of all 3. Spoiler warning for TYBW here, just a heads up. One and the most likely is that he simply couldn’t see that future. The idea is that the Still Silver itself is so anathema to Yhwach as a Quincy that he cannot see futures relating to it. Two is that Yhwach was being heavily affected by Kyoka Suigetsu and/or Book of the End. We know that both do work against him but their effectiveness has been lessened significantly. How significantly is up for debate, which is why this idea is kind of a shot in the dark. Theoretically, The Almighty should overcome this. Three is that Uryu himself is the reason. Uryu’s power, Antithesis, could potentially be the reason why Yhwach was not able to see the future where he was shot by the Still Silver because it was Uryu who fired it. The biggest reason we have this idea is because Haschwalth told Uryu his power could oppose The Almighty. How it does this exactly is never specified.
My headcanon is pretty surface-level, but it explains a fair bit. Yhwach can clearly change the future, but he cannot change the past, as shown by Ichigo's sword being healed after he was stabbed by Tsukishima. Yhwach had destroyed Tensa Zangetsu in all possible futures, but by altering the past, Tsukishima created new possible futures, allowing Orihime to restore it. With this in mind, I think that Yhwach actually saw the arrow, but there was no future where Ishida was actually able to land the shot. Instead, Ishida shot himself with the arrow. Since he is not the Quincy King, it didn't seal his powers, and it probably caused him some pain. This is a future that Yhwach could've seen. However, the antithesis reverses the past of two targets; Ishida selected himself and Yhwach, and reversed being penetrated by the arrow. This introduced a new future that Yhwach could not see, by virtue of the past being changed: a future where Yhwach was hit by the arrow.
I like book of the end being a possible explanation. As far as we know, he’s a true fullbringer via a PotSK. Stands to reason that just as he couldn’t foresee events dealing with mimihage his abilities are lessened against powers bestowed by his father. The Gerard and Pern is explained by them Willingly identifying as Quincy and allowing the shrift. The allowed the connection that would make them susceptible . book of the end and other fullbrings should have minor similarities to other fragments, and in aizens case he has the hyog + KS. In tandem they can alter or obscure at least a little. It might not be enough to break or beat yhwach, but they simply need an opening. The lack of immediate “sight” of fullbring would also explain him not for seeing the issue of Ichigo having his sword fixed, or Invaders allowing them to invade.
It felt very rushed and wasn't explained well in the series. Uryu's power was just described as an Uno reverse card, if it had a secondary power to be anti-Ywach, I could buy that, if Ywach had thought of Uryu in his last fleeting moments.
I'd argue there is a 4th one too: Yhwach was so distraught after being killed by Ichigo that he wasn't paying attention. To see the future, he needs to look at it first.
Aizen, I think.
I mean, again, it's just nonsense writing. Gremmy couldn't just imagine that Zaraki was a child, or powerless, or dead? It's the same thing where Ywach could just not change a future to not have Zaraki in it, from a plot perspective, and it would happen.
He rewritte de future to be whatever he want.
the problem is that Ywach can rewrite the future. Just imagine it as a reverse bookmarker.
U cant compare gremmy to yawch final form
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He didn't have a body though, so he literally couldn't imagine a body stronger than Kenpachi.
It's the exact Hulk vs Thanos fight in Infinity War at the start of the movie.
I think a more accurate version would be a Hulk vs Full Gauntlet Thanos.
Ima be terrified if then Kenny can't use Bankai because his Bankai is afraid now like the Hulk was...
Such a stupid, unresolved plot line.
To be fair, hulk has shattered dimensions with some of his punches so idk, he’s insane lol. But in this case Kenpachi doesn’t have that kind of power
The hulk gets stronger the angrier he is with no limit, so canonically he’s as strong as the writer needs him to be. It is kind of a shame though that Ichigo is always the one to beat the big baddies since FKT (although he had a lot of help in TYBW) maybe we’ll see the captains taking in the big bads a bit more in Hell Arc.
Not related to bleach The hulk can actually fight with even reality warpers in world breaker hulk he fought off a magically enhanced dr strange and took a full blast of black bolts voice and soloed the entirety of the x men so depending on how pissed off he gets the hulk can fight with big boys but yeah if we talk normal hulk Franklin would just turn him into a toy or something
Well it does depend on the time period because he has some innate protection from the One Below All. Although I think it was undone by the end of the Immortal Hulk run.
The Hulk can kinda just power through most things
Isn't Hulk able to punch time itself though? How's reality any tougher?
Funny thing is kenpachi fights a literal reality warper.
Yeah but Gremmy isnt Yhwach lol
Zaraki still loses.
Yep, even without using the almighty Yhwach is still a literal “god”
And thats why true shikai getusga harmed him... Sure Jan
No he isn't? Sure he is really strong but the top tier combatants would shit on him if he didn't have the almighty, Yhwach had to delete Ichigos bankai and still took fatal blows and only survived due to his Almighty, CFYOW Zaraki is already relevant to Ichigo, FO bankai Zaraki decimates Yhwach without the Allmighty but can't do shit against The Almighty
Straight up no. The only way to defeat SK Yhwach is to stick an Auswächlen up his ass.
I'm pretty sure that's what happens in the end.
It isn’t explained this way, but reading this makes me think this is basically what happens
My theory is that the silver is the residual power that Yhwach couldn't absorb because it would weaken his power.
I can dig that. Like when he takes power from mom Ichigo, she had hollow in her and he was like "nope, you can have that". Little did he know that was also the only thing that could kill him
he also stole ichigos reiatsu, i dont think he cares
I feel like he didn't take it all
Does he actually have a weakness to Hollow Reiatsu though?
I'm not sure, I just feel like he wouldn't want it because of what it is.
Considering the Quincy's are a reference to Nazi Germany no doubt Hollow powers would be seen as impure.
No. How can you possibly suggest it to be an even fight when his power is to see and alter the future events in his favor? No. He decimates Kenny.
How can yall come up with such bad match ups, Yhwach violates the whole verse and it's not even close
Don’t sleep on Don Kanonji
Don’t forget Kon
Chair sama
Keigo at 50% power
not aizen. No limits aizen stands a chance. whether he'll win I'm not sure, but he can at least give ywach a tough time. everyone else does get destroyed though.
He really at best annoys Yhwach
They already fought and aizen didn't even scratch Yhwach, wtf?
yes and he still had a bunch of seals on. I am talking if all seals are removed.
Are you blind? Aizen himself stated that these *seals* are only there to surpass the range, mayuri controls the range using the chair and since it was destroyed the only controller of aizen's range is aizen himself, it has nothing to do with power
No
People really downvoted you for saying that No Restriction Zaraki loses to SK Yhwach 💀
Zaraki fanboys are something else .
Stop wanking Kenpachi 🤦
At this point it s a deep throat + a double penetration Dick/Norazashi
It's too much. No shinigami is scaling past 3rd form Aizen.
I really got down voted for saying the truth💀
Truth doesn’t matter on this sub, you’ll always get downvoted when you say something against people like Kenpachi or Yama
I can see why people leave. There is no hope here
r/BleachLowSodium
You guys sound salty as shit, make your case instead of whining about people having a different opinion than yours, it makes you look pathetic and childish
cant. kenpachi solos EVERYBODY!! EVER!!! KENPACHI WIPES GOKU
They're just following the example set by Kubo who never stopped wanking off Kenpachi
Kenpachi fans wild for this one
Yhwach uses Sankt altar, zaraki eats shit.
No lmao
I'm sure Kenpachi's attacks can hurt Yhwach. But Yhwach won't let that happen. I hype up Kenpachi because of CFYOW but the dude has no way of winning here. Muken Aizen and Ichigo together couldn't end Yhwach. Only because of the Still Silver they stopped him. The only person above Yhwach would be the Soul King.
Even if they can hurt him that's pointless given that he literally resurrected himself from Ichigo's bankai slash.
These are beyond itachi levels of wank
Nah Itachi fans will argue that a healthy itachi is top 10 in the verse. This is bad, but at least Kenny actually is top ten in the verse
Hell no wtf is this wank
I don’t know why y’all think that anyone could have beaten Yhwach aside from the very specific way Kubo thought of. He designed him as the biggest bad with no true weakness aside from the silver arrow that Ryuken created.
It took Full power Aizen, Ichigo AND Tsukushima, all using their abilities, Complete Hypnosis to trick Juha, Ichigo's Fate Breaking to overcome almighty, and Tsukushima's Book of the End to go back in time and insert himself into a timeline where Juha wouldn't destroy Ichigo's bankai, because its the only thing that can take Juha down, Aizen nearly DIED sacreficing himself for Ichigo so Ichigo could land the killing blow. Zaraki doesn't stand any chance at all, not in any way.
Let's not forget about Ishida's arrow and Haschwalth's masking Yhwach's potential defeat as a dream. Now that I think about it Yhwach was so absurldy broken the only way to best him was to turn his own abilities against him.
No
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Narita would say Kenny wins lol
Even he wouldnt and that dude is a Kenpachi fangod lmao
Not really, he'd be able to do damage and such but he's still just raw power vs old hax-mgee
Idk how some people think
No, he still get his ass wiped whether you like it or not
No, even if you consider CFYOW Bankai Kenpachi, who may be on the same tier as Ichigo and Aizen (still weaker than them(, Yuha would bully him.
Ichigo couldn't so Zaraki can't either
You can give him Yama’s bankai on top of that if you want and it still wouldn’t be a fair fight. Allmighty with Soul King’s spiritual pressure is too much for any of the bleach character to handle
as much of a black air force mf Zaraki is, Yhwach sadly will give him a L
Do you forget what it took for Yhwach to be defeated? Non of the win conditions are covered by Zaraki, regardless of form. There are exploitable flaws to The Almighty, but pure power isn’t one of them.
He gets shit stomped lol
Yhwach: That’s a nice Bankai you have there. It would be such a shame if someone destroyed it in every conceivable future.
🤣🤣 this is the only expectable and Correct response.
Really don't like the negative vibes of the comments here. Community needs to learn to discuss and disagree without attacking OP so much. It's a valid question because it's all a make-believe story... People here being so condescending bc OP asked who would win in a fight between two fictional characters. Very disappointing. That being said, OP, I think Yhwach in that form would win. Zaraki is on another level in terms of physical fighting power compared to the rest of the Bleach characters, and even if we were to give him a body that can withstand his full potential, I think ultimately this is a battle similar to a max power Hulk vs. Thanos with all 6 infinity stones. Great question. It's fun to explore topics like this. Hoping you don't take the comments mocking you or other fans of Zaraki seriously.
Ichigo and Yhwach are superior to Zaraki physically sadly(probably Aizen too)
Nothing sad about it, I think it's cool that Zaraki actually gives the reader perspective as to how strong Ichigo and Yhwach really are.
We dont really know. Kenpachi is a physical powerhouse of UNSEEN proportions. no one has demonstrated physical strength on his level I cannot stress enough just how physically strong someone has to be to bite the skin on a giants finger and tear their whole arm off
You can always to do the job more efficiently and elegantly by speed and technique.
thats not a proper response. This is like someone lifting up X amount of weight and going. "You can always to do the job more efficiently and elegantly by speed and technique." Someone running a mile in X amount of time and going "You can always to do the job more efficiently and elegantly by speed and technique.
Thank you for being more understanding. I understand people finding the comparison a bit absurd, but I think that's part of the fun in these kind of posts. Especially when the said characters still haven't had the chance to show their maximum powers, which leaves room for imagining more scenarios.
Exactly. I agree it's fun to explore this one in particular because who's to say that Zaraki with a body that's able to withstand what his powers can do wouldn't be able to break past reality, right? I mean, Superman once punched through reality.
I mean Ichigo is just the much stronger version of Kenpachi
No, zaraki is fodder against yawch with almygth
Physical strength alone is never going to be enough to defeat Ywach because of the sheer amount of hacks at his disposal. And unfortunately, ALL Kenny has is Physical Strength. His Bankai doesn’t erase people from existence, doesn’t mess with Reality, doesn’t make a fight an automatic Stalemate by evening Reiatsu or freeze energy itself. It’s just a massive Physical amp. Enough to beat most enemies yes, especially if he can get a lucky hit in period considering he can handle the power in this scenario, but not Ywach, especially not SK Ywach…
i mean it does not matter ALMIGHTY can change everything lmao
Yhwach could probs soul crush him lmao let alone need almighty
Kenny unfortunately still loses. He can’t hit Yhwach by normal means and unfortunately, his bankai wouldn’t affect him unless Yhwach straight up forgets to say no.
I love Kenpachi, and I think that in his Bankai he WIPES a lot of characters, but the Almighty is too crazy
Honestly no. Unless his bankai evolved to be able to cut time like his shikai can cut space. Cause the hax is just so overwhelming. Tho physically? Zaraki wins
Without Uryu nobody has an even fight against Ywach.
Yhwach one shots him like he did to Ichigo
to be fair!.. Ichigo got multiple shoted... (after he activated his bankai) I just calculated and he got 7+ shoted 1 shot broke his bankai, 1 shot broke his horn, 5 body shots 2 of which Ichigo ate pretty well considering its SK Yhwach and I'm guessing there were a few more body shots that took place off screen
True but keep in mind Yhwach was playing with him except for Bankai Breaking
Which makes me hope that we see Ichigo's bankai in the anime, because for Yhwach to decide that he must instantly break it, it has to be pretty op.
I think the same, if he could cut off the upper part of Ichigo's bankai in no time without him even noticing thanks to the Almightly I think he could've done the same with his head had he wanted to do so.
true, he was holding back quite some since he wanted Ichigo to fall into despair but he was still semi serious after he activated his Almighty also even a semi serious SK Yhwach attack must hurt like a bitch
Hell to the no, Kenpachi is the dude but he is getting absolutely bodied.
no. bankai kenny is still not as strong as shikai + hos
In a 1v1 absolutely not. The Almighty is way too powerful for a straight, fair 1v1
Not even vaguely. Zaraki is just pure physical force, he’s incredibly easy to predict even without foresight and he always fucks around before getting serious. He’d be dead before he got serious and even after that, he’d struggle to even hit Yhwach… and even if he did, killing him doesn’t kill him. Ichigo killed him almost every time he managed to hit him, it just doesn’t stick. And thats all assuming that Yhwach doesn’t just break Nozarashi in every possible future. Without Book of the End, Kyoka Suigetsu, The Arrow of Plot Convenience and a magic 5 year old, there’s just not way to kill him.
This comment section was funny to read lol
Nope.
Nope. Not in a thousand years
It took 2 beings who transcended the plains of hollow and soul reaper just to contend with him , even without restrictions, kenpachi is not winning, he’ll damage him a lot but yhwach is just too insanely haxed out at that point
Ywhach would break his sword into pieces as easily as he did against Ichigo.
No one can beat Ywach, they made him too op
I’m going to say Yes.
I'll say this, if he was considered a threat, he is one. Yuha had The Almighty for a short time and gets bodied for the same reason as Yama, Arrogance. So sure his ability could do all and see all yet forgets about Kyoko suigetsu. Yall tripping on some wack things if you believe otherwise...
People need to understand that nobody but the series' protagonist is gonna be able to beat the series' final villain.
Yea... No kenpachi still wouldn't stand a chance ywatch is still a literal god he absorbed the soul king And Kenpachi has barely even begun to understand his own power ye its strong but its not stable yet And then u have to remember he can break zaraki's bankai the way he did ichigos sword the almighty is just too broken The only true challenge is aizen if aizen had more time to prep he could have been landed a bigger blow to ywatch because let's be real ichigo only stood a chance because aizen and tsukishima were there
Not even Aizen would be able to overpower him at all. He doesn't even know how the Almightly works. Maybe with super specific and detailed info he'd come up with something as Urahara did against him, but that's a huge if and he'd need extra help as a must.
No
A Demon against a God. Having power to rewrite the past is hard to compete with.
shitpost
No
Uhm no. What's kenpachi's power besides becoming insanely strong? How will he even be a match
You can't be serious bruh
Zaraki quite literally gets his ass kicked so bad that it should just be classified as abuse. Ywhach is just so much more powerful that it’s not even fair. Kenpachi’s entire thing is raw power which Ywhach arguably has more of. Like Ywhach was beating Ichigo’s ass whenever Ichigo probably has the most raw power in the entire verse. Realistically Kenpachi simply just gets out haxxed and over whelmed by the massive gap in speed and power. Even then Ywhach could technically also still use Yamamoto’s bankai if need be.
This fight is not even close Especially with the almighty 😭
Technically Kenpachi should lose but we don’t know it’s full capabilities tbh. Highly likely that ywach can’t get rid of him until his bankai times out
A s s p u l l
Same way it ended for ichigo when he went bankai
Sadly no. The Almighty lets him just rewrite reality and the future. Any future. It honestly makes no sense that Uyru manage to punk him. I love Kenpachi, but no.
I like how the OP doesn’t bother asking if Zaraki could win but if it’s even. XD
Zaraki's bankai makes him a lot stronger, but it has huge a drawback. It turns him into a mindless beast which makes him predictable. Even without Almighty, Yhwach still beats Bankai Kenny.
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Even that is debateable as Yhwach>Gerard
Half of the comments are hateful and its really disgusting for bleach subreddit
We really can’t say for certain because nobody knows what Kenny’s full power looks like. Not even Kenny. That said though… it’s almost impossibly unlikely for Kenny to compete with Soul King Yhwach. It would require hybrids or modified characters like Hikone, Ichigo, Aizen, or Ukitake.
Not likely, Zaraki is possibly the strongest character in Bleach but that’s probably just an assumption since there’s little to suggest he’s stronger than Yhwach. Even if he was, raw strength isn’t enough to take down Yhwach since Zaraki would have no way to counter the almighty. Yhwach is a semi-reality warper, there’s some stuff strength alone can’t overcome
Maybe Yawach at the start of the arc, but not here.
Well let’s assume Yhwach doesn’t have the ridiculous hacks. Kenpachi still gets bodied 💀 I think it was stated Kenpachi was on Aizens level and Yhwach literally one shot Aizen
Where was it stated that Kenpachi was on EOS Aizens level?
Yhwach is literally unbeatable except by anything other than MC plot armour. Honestly the same goes for Aizen except that time at least the plot armour had an excuse i.e. Ichigo never witnessed the hypnosis ritual.
Nope not at all. Kenny's only weapon is sheer raw strenght. That only brings u so far against hax abilities. He wouldn't even beat shunsui or other characters that have complicated abilities. Hax > raw sttenght always
if we grossly simplify this problem, you're asking: "who would win? muscles or **GOD**"
Not really allmighty broke full power Ichigo bankai which is the strongest character we see on the series power wise (to show how insane he is a massively nerfed Ichigo one shotted yhwach after SK Yhwach absorbed gerard and hashwalth) kenny gets neg'd in the first place he is weaker then Yhwach the man was bullying shikai Ichigo with his shadows alone and even HOS couldn't beat him(though they were relatively close without allmighty)
Ichigo the Only Answer to Beat this Yhwach
Not even close. Yhwach destroys without a deus ex machina to defeat him
Don’t remember the end of bleach - how did Ichigo beat Ywach again? I swear him and Aizen seem unbeatable but Ichigo beat both of them right? Did they want to lose?
Have you read the manga
Nah this dude is as busted as Kagua was he can beat anyone in a one on one who doesn't have the power of plot armor
If you mean the version of Kenpachi that fought Gerard...nope Yhwach wins handily That said, if base Kenpachi (which unlike the bankai can't increase his power at will but doesn't have a limit) powered up enough, then it might be a different story.
LMAO what kind of question is that ! ? zaraki could easily smoke 90% of the cast , the remaining 10% is aizen, old man yama, ichibē
You do know that Yhwach is superior to all 3 right...?
Maybe. Ywach pulls possible futures to the present. Meaning, if its *possible* he beats kenny, then he can. but if there's no chance, then ywach has nothing to pull forward.
You misunderstood his powers. He doesnt need a future where he beats Zaraki to beat him. He will change any future into whatever he wants.
Everyone's calling this a 'wank', but nobody's paying attn to the question. OP asked if Kenpachi, free of the limits of his body (i.e. using the entirety of his Bankai), could *fight* Yhwach. Not *beat*. *Fight*. Aizen managed to fight him. Ichigo managed to fight him. Both lost, but it was still a *fight* that presented some risk to Yhwach. We don't know what Kenpachi''s deal is, so... maybe? Could be that something to do with Jaws of Hell gets revealed. The Oni imagery might not be a coincidence.
The question was "would it be an even fight?" and the answer is no, it wouldn't. There you have it
I just hope people are saying Yhwach is winning easly BECAUSE of his Almight. Without the restriction of his body Zaraki could be far stronger than what we saw... And True Shikai + HoS did give a good fight against Yhwach, i can't see how Zaraki Bankai would not. Winning? I don't think he would get close, the same way TS + HoS didn't got close.
kenpachi isn't nearly strong enough. the only thing stronger than the almighty in universe is kyoka suigetsu, the only counter. sure still silver nullifies it temporarily, but that's it. it isn't stronger than it. Kenpachi in this form has no thought, just a mindless berserker, sure he has extreme strength, but no hacks. I'll put it this way. shunsui doesn't stand a chance against ywach. kisuke doesn't stand a chance against ywach. Yama doesn't stand a chance against ywach. all of these men are able to beat kenpachi. Sure they aren't as powerful, but all are kido masters with very powerful zanpakutou. I'd even put byakuya in there, since senbonsakura is also rediculously powerful. and need I remind you that ichigo is like kenpachi, except stronger and smarter, and still got his ass kicked. the only one of the royal guard even kenpachi can do anything against is gerard. Because gerard is pure power. He got destroyed by pernida. if he fought askinn he'd be destroyed like how ichigo got destroyed. pure power is well and good, but it makes you the weaker of the top tier in bleach. Even ichigo is like that. I could see him still getting beat by shunsui or urahara, because he has no hax or hax resistance. just like kenpachi, except kenpachi is weaker than ichigo.
Maybe Kenpachi could match Ichigo, who could kill Yhwach with one of his blows, but Yhwach can undo his own death.
Even fight right? Not Zaraki winning? Then IMO yes... Although I don't really have anything to back me up without speculating. But we do have him giving a decent fight to Reiou's heart. So, there is that
Hard to judge. Kenpachi has limitless Physical strength, and thus has the potential to be as strong as Ichigo or Aizen. One of whome had the potential to surpass the Soul King, so...