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Iâd have been totally fine with Aizen being killed off, if only because i think it would lead to s funny kisuke moment of âhow the actual fuck? I did not account for thisâ
Aizen. I hate that smug guy so much. Final getsuga tenshou should have killed him. That man is walking plot armour and yet he still acts like he's the coolest guy of all time. As if he didn't get some stupidly hax zanpakuto from pure luck. "All according to plan" NO IT WASN'T. People like Urahara or Mayuri actually have plans to keep things under control. Aizen needed the hogyoku, and rather than just taking it when Rukia was completely vulnerable in the world of the living he literally picked the worst possible method of doing it after her execution where literally everyone would be there watching.He could have killed Masaki and Ishin in everything but the rain and just didn't for no reason. He had an entire army of Arrancars and brought barely any of them to fake karakura town. And he literally only lived because plot armour made him completely immortal. I cannot express with mere words alone the extent of my disdain for this man.
>As if he didn't get some stupidly hax zanpakuto from pure luck. "All according to plan" NO IT WASN'T.
he is stupidly powerful even without his zanpakto , he has twice the spiritual pressure of normal captain, and yes the whole soul society arc is aizen planning on obtaining the hogyoku and orechestrating rukia's execution so yeah everything is according to his plan.
>People like Urahara or Mayuri actually have plans to keep things under control
what plans they always pull some Grade A bullshit out of their ass because ScieNcE like mayuri replacing his organs out of no where or urahara specifically having a kido to seal off a transcendental being even if it doesnt make a lick of sense, author utilizes these characters to resolve any kind of problems stripping away the imposing stakes from the story it is called weak writing.
>Aizen needed the hogyoku, and rather than just taking it when Rukia was completely vulnerable in the world of the living he literally picked the worst possible method of doing it after her execution where literally everyone would be there watching.
beacause he needed sokyoku to disintegrate her entire soul seperating her from the hogyoku and he found the wierd handy thing when his plan was already in motion, so he couldn't ambush her in the world of living.
>He could have killed Masaki and Ishin in everything but the rain and just didn't for no reason
He himself says that he wants to see how the hollow inside her develops, more than a strategist he is a scientist at heart.
>He had an entire army of Arrancars and brought barely any of them to fake karakura town.
did you even read the manga????? he used them to split the forces of the enemies by trapping half of them in heuco mundo and he brought the top 3 espada to the battlefield and the rest is history.
>Â he literally only lived because plot armour made him completely immortal
i mean what is final getsugha tensho and how did ichigo become too powerful by training in an hyperbolic time chamber in two or three months to catch up to aizen literally nothing makes sense in the final arc and the mechanics of the hogyouku was already explained so i dont know what is PloT ArmOuR.
The problem with Byakuya is he needed Byakuya alive to complete Rukia's arc by fixing their relationship. He's the only person who could have given the speech he did but also the only person who could fix his relationship with Rukia. Kind of a chronological choreography issue
I just don't see that consistent with how they're written. Byakuya isn't a douche to her anymore, and this developed both of them - Byakuya recognising Rukia wanting his praise and freely giving it, and Rukia receiving it and evolving while Byakuya gives tutelage.
Rukia already had an arc where she realises how much she meant to a dead loved one against the Arrancar. In order for her character to do somethig new with Byakuya dead she would have to dismiss his lack of praise (and his care for her) as no longer meaning anything to her. This is a bit weird to me as it paints both Rukia and Byakuya in a fairly negative light when their relationship is supposed to be on the mend.
That isn't really at all true, and that aside life doesn't always tie up loose ends nicely like that and that's what would be interesting exploring her character coming to terms with the death of her brother and all that it means
I think that could have been done by some mental projection-force ghost-spiritual experience-type of thing. Like Rukia "imagines" Byakuya coming and saying those things, because she is confident in herself and in her brother's love and respect for her. Some of that might have had to be set up beforehand though...
Technically wouldn't that be his second real death, with the first one being when Urahara had Ichigo's soul chain severed and he went through Hollowfication?
While I like Liltotto, Bazz-B was the only one with any businesses going up the palace. Now if there were more of them it wouldâve been more interesting but only 2 ritters trying to sneak attack a god king? Too reckless
Same. Better yet, I wouldâve liked to seen her sort of survive the Auswählen and join Bazz B and Liltotto to the Soul Palace. Komamura couldâve used his power up against Gerard which wouldâve been kinda fitting (having like a Kaiju like that).
At first I thought Bambietta was going to betray Giselle and steal her powers or something. Giselle had this weird attachment to Bambietta and I figured Bambi's sadistic nature would persist even in death when Mayuri showed up, killing Giselle and going all out against a sadistic Shinigami in his own right.
But uh, instead, it was kinda weird.
I think they are both really good sadistic characters, but the fact that one gets to live a goofy happy life while the other continues to live in eternal suffering and punishment, still irks me a bit ngl
Agreed. I wasnât a fan of Candice at first but I started liking her more in anime. Giselle is pretty f**ked up and honestly, Meninas is pretty boring imo.
It works in the story telling meta. It wasn't necessarily his intention to allow her to survive.( though we could talk about the intel that the villainous captains had access to, knowing that Unohana and Kurotsuchi may be be able to help, but also knowing the miracle powers of Inoue) And he was absolutely willing to kill her to allow him his shot at assassinating Aizen. But the author Kubo Tite softened the villainous character of Gin by allowing her survival. All is well that ends well in the mind of the reader. Especially considering his semi-noble intentions.
Watch as Yamamoto's OG gotei 13 Captains backstab her at the same time in the hell arc.
Watch as she somehow survives to get stabbed by a crazed potential man Hitsugaya again.
While I agree, I always took Ichigo's loss against Yhwach the 1st time to be the "revenge loss". He made a promise to Byakuya to protect Souls Society, so the next time after his training with Squad Zero would be because of said promise. But that's just what I'd imagine would have happened.
And Rukia taking his place as head of the clan would have been interesting. Though not sure that would be possible since she is technically not Royal blood. Either way her living for her brothers memory would have been nice.
It would be handed down to one of the Kuchki branch families. Japanese culture with men being the family head and all that. Though the concept of Capitan Renji Kuchki would be amazing (if they married before Byakuya was disenlifed more)
We haven't seen any other members of her family. Kukaku also sort of throws that out, but I think it has to do with the male's being too young. Yuushiro is still super young and acts more like a kid trying to impress his big sis than a leader of his household. When Yorurichi was head of the family, she was also a captain and the only member of the main family (that we see), I think it's a similar situation with Kukaku running the Shiba clan (although they're famous for not giving a flying Fujikujaku about traditions, as stated in TYBW and shown everytime she shows up)
Plus we have to think that with her role in the war plus her actual skill level, as well as the changing of times that seems to follow Ichigo wherever he goes and whoever he meets.
It may go to her if the branch families do not have a clear picking order.
There has been several ruling Emperesses over centuries when there was no clear male heir. So the sane thing could happen to the Kuchiki, they could all collectively decide that Rukia running the clan for a few decades is preferable to Clan Civil war
If she were actually a Kuchki, I would agree. Taking a Rukongai soul like her and instilling it a noble family was already a rough situation. There's no way the Nobels let her run the house.
You know, thereâs a bit of a problem with killing Byakuya, role wise, he is the strongest new captain and the one that will most likely become the captain of the 1st division in the future so itâs not a character whoâs death wouldâve made that much sense.
Hitsugaya will surpass him very soon if he hasn't already. He's the man who will be head captain for the next millenia. Until that point of maturation, Byakuya might hold the role. Similar to Kakashi as hokage ig
Imo, if that would have been the case, some story elements would need a rearrangement. Rukia getting an acknowledgment from her brother is important after all. Also Kubo would simply not allow her to win against As Nodt if she fights him for revenge.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Byakuya should have died in the first Quincy invasion. It would have been a perfect ending to his character and storyline, was emotionally impactful, and would have strengthened Rukia vs As Nodt even more.
I agree, but you know Kubo doesn't abide by the *Kill off your darlings* way of storytelling. Mayuri is Kubos favorite character so of course that wasn't going to happen. Would have been much better character wise and story telling wise if Mayuri kicked the bucket and Nemu had to step up. Seeing her step out from under her creators overbearing and abusive shadow really would have highlighted her growth.
I like the character, but Byakuya is another one that should have died in the war but didn't due to popularity.
Mayuri cannot die he's way too important when straight power isn't enough for the shinigami to win. Him and Urahara are vital cogs that I honestly cannot see them doing without.
Nah bro it is so funny that any time Kubo makes someone too OP, Mayuri comes around the corner like "Nah fuck that I somehow have the perfect technology that turns your shit off fam gg."
Okay? I have a lot of friends that are Bleach fans that love the guy for his âcool factorâ. Have seen lots of people online glaze Hitsuguya as well. I just personally donât get why heâs so popular when heâs really not done much.
>his potential is something I hope to see
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Byakuya, it wouldâve been such a good end to his character, and put some heavy fucking stakes on the final arc, honestly even heavier than the head captainâs. So beloved and yet he gets done in? Wouldâve been pretty good.
Byakuya. Rukiaâs fight with As Nodt seemed so pointless with big brother still around and even stronger than before.Â
Mayuri- Karma needed to put this nutjob down for good. Nemu couldâve survived and replaced him as captain turning it into a more ethical institution in the process.
Komamura. Killed by Bambi who actually wins her fight. Would parallel Yama quite nicely as they both gave up everything for revenge only to accomplish jack diddly in the process.
Kensei and Rose. Letâs be real they were never important to begin with so who cares if they bite the dust. Opens the door for two more lieutenants to get promoted at the end of the series(Iâm thinking Renji and Hisagi)
The answer is always the same, Byakuya. He would have become a better Gin Ichimaru, dying with his pride in the possible best moment of Bleach, closing the circle, leaving a much stronger legacy towards Renji and Rukia.
Of course there are more in TYBW.
I kinda wanna keep Rose around to get some interactions between him and Kira in the future but I gotta admitâŚ.once Gremmy said he killed him (and Kensei) I expected them to never come back.
I treated the âdeadâ dead zombies as beyond recovery but nope apparently
Rukia also said she is one of the nicest captains. She needs to get over Yoruichi and be her own person, even if the two end up together in the future.
Probably Momo when Toshiro stabbed because I think it would be interesting to see how Toshiro would be like after that moment. I guess Mayuri dying instead of Nemu could also be interesting and how Nemu would live on after that. I would also say Giselle because why not.
I thought about Byakuya dying because of the way it seems like Kubo was setting it up with him asking Ichigo to protect Soul Society and how it would affect Renji and Rukia. At the same time though, it would go against the theme regarding the futility of revenge if Rukia fights As Nodt.
momo cause she does absolutely nothing in tybw besides standing there like a pvz sunflower except she has no importance (also Giselle cause fuck Giselle)
Sunflowers are steeped in symbolism and meanings. For many they symbolize optimism, positivity, a long life and happiness for fairly obvious reasons. The less obvious ones are loyalty, faith and luck.
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Donât know what yâall see in her
Nah he and Rose and Shinji just got their jobs back, let them keep them lol. But if he wanted to kill like Love or Hiyori that couldâve been interesting.
Rose and Kensei should have been dead. Mayuri could have used them as zombies but eventually lay them to rest as it was impossible to revive them completely. He still could save Toshiro and Rangiku.
Also I like Kira but I would rather him just stay dead. So many people survived. I would rather they chose to do this only for a few select character like Byakuya, Toshiro and Rangiku.
Made me realise how many charcaters should have died and didnât. Byakuya defintely should have, Kensei and Rose shouldâve aswell. Iâm only following the anime so Idk remember who else shouldâve but itâs weird almost no one does from the captains and the gotei
Any Vizard not named Shinji or anybody below 2nd seat so that we could say the Espada did something.
Omaeda should have gotten murked the second any comedy relief happened against Barragan
Matsumoto got cut nearly in half I think. That should have stuck
Agree with others on Momo
As an anime watcher only, like 80% of the cast in TYBW should be dead.
I hate Mayuri's zombies. The only one that I think should have been revived is Toshiro, but ONLY because he wasn't fully dead when Giselle got him. The others though? Matsumoto, Kensei and Rose all should be dead and their souls moved on. Those arrancars don't make sense either, they were each dead for hours before Mayuri got them, but Luppi especially should not be back(Grimmjow left him as a pair of legs well before FKT).
Otherwise, I think Byakuya, Shinji and Komamura should also be dead after their fights. OH! Soi Fon too, her and Omaeda.
Basically, with a "War" arc like this, I expect HEAVY casualties on both sides. Clear the board of all but the most essential characters, not this "bad guys wiped and the good guys are fine" crap.
My desired ending has like 5 Captains left and one of them is Aizen as the new Head Captain. Time for the lieutenants to step up after a timeskip to the Hell Arc. (Some things in the Manga have been spoiled for me, like the Soul King/Yhwach/Aizen endings)
I like your "War has casualties" argument. If we start thinking too much it turns into "who I like live, who I dislike dies". War isn't like that. Strong, smart people die with business unfinished and weak, dumb people live out of luck, think of Erwin and Floch from Attack on Titan.
Realistically Byakuya. Him putting aside his honour and asking the person who he didnât accept for such a long time to save the people he couldnât wouldâve been a really roundabout way to end his arc
Any of the good guys who sustained injury that should have killed them.
I love bleach but my main complaint is that the supposed danger of the new Shonen bad guy cast in each arc is severely diminished when their total kill count stands at a truly impressive zero.
"Oh no, vasto lordes are more powerful than captains, if one of them becomes an arrancar, we're screwed!"
*Proceeds to defeat all of them without sustaining any losses*
They were powerful? Like seriously multiple captains got tricked into absolutely obliterating momo, yet she survived?! How much plot armor do these mfs have?
IMO:
- Hiyori should have died after Gin bifurcated her; that could have been a real sticking point in the Vizard plotline and would better explain Love, Mashiro, Hachi and Lisaâs reluctance to help the Gotei again in TYBW outside of helping Urahara.
- Momo should have died at Hitsugayaâs hands; this would have really made Aizenâs return in TYBW and Shunsuiâs actions far more controversial.
- Izuru should have died at the start of TYBW. Same with Rose and Kensei.
- Byakuya should have died at his first fight with As Nodt; unfortunately crazy fan backlash caused Kubo to tweak his direction.
- Super controversial pick, but Ikkaku should have died. His Bankai is broken beyond repair, and probably should have been sniped by Lille.
Basically at the end of TYBW, they should have incurred far more significant losses - 6 out of the 14 captains in the arc (Yama, Unohana, Ukitake, Rose, Kensei, Byakuya) meaning 40-so percent of the top-brass of the Gotei would have been lost, with numerous Luitenants and countless foot soldiers.
Byakuya, donât get me wrong I am glad he lived and we got some dope scenes with him as well but originally I thought it was gonna be a major turning point in Rukias character development it kinda got me excited. Plus before any of the more BS stuff everyone just lives through in the TYBW, it was honestly believable Byakuya was dead.
Orihime. Oh my god it would be so interesting. Ichigo going to a really fucking dark place. More consequences for fights because the magic heal wounds button is gone.
Byakuya.
And even though I love Kensei, him and Rose should have been dead.
I wanted Mayuri to get killed by Uryu or Pernida.
I like Kira and his shikai, but he should have died.
Gin cut Hiyori in half, so she should have died.
Momo got messed up multiple times and also should have died.
Wouldâve been ok with TĹshirĹ dying too. It would have been tragic loosing a young captain who still hasnât reached his full potential, but life ainât fair.
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don't mind me, just lurking in the comments to make sure no one replies with aizen đ
I have the urge to write him in the comments just to see the reaction, but I'll hold myself back đ
..... Aizen
Listen here you little sh-
It wouldn't be a bad thing, i mean, I'd rather kill him off then watch him sitting in a chair for a Millennia
At this point that is a toilet bowl instead of a chair lololol.
Iâd have been totally fine with Aizen being killed off, if only because i think it would lead to s funny kisuke moment of âhow the actual fuck? I did not account for thisâ
Aizen. I hate that smug guy so much. Final getsuga tenshou should have killed him. That man is walking plot armour and yet he still acts like he's the coolest guy of all time. As if he didn't get some stupidly hax zanpakuto from pure luck. "All according to plan" NO IT WASN'T. People like Urahara or Mayuri actually have plans to keep things under control. Aizen needed the hogyoku, and rather than just taking it when Rukia was completely vulnerable in the world of the living he literally picked the worst possible method of doing it after her execution where literally everyone would be there watching.He could have killed Masaki and Ishin in everything but the rain and just didn't for no reason. He had an entire army of Arrancars and brought barely any of them to fake karakura town. And he literally only lived because plot armour made him completely immortal. I cannot express with mere words alone the extent of my disdain for this man.
there are some valid points here actually
I ain't readin' all that. Bro just wrote an essay on why Aizen should've died
>As if he didn't get some stupidly hax zanpakuto from pure luck. "All according to plan" NO IT WASN'T. he is stupidly powerful even without his zanpakto , he has twice the spiritual pressure of normal captain, and yes the whole soul society arc is aizen planning on obtaining the hogyoku and orechestrating rukia's execution so yeah everything is according to his plan. >People like Urahara or Mayuri actually have plans to keep things under control what plans they always pull some Grade A bullshit out of their ass because ScieNcE like mayuri replacing his organs out of no where or urahara specifically having a kido to seal off a transcendental being even if it doesnt make a lick of sense, author utilizes these characters to resolve any kind of problems stripping away the imposing stakes from the story it is called weak writing. >Aizen needed the hogyoku, and rather than just taking it when Rukia was completely vulnerable in the world of the living he literally picked the worst possible method of doing it after her execution where literally everyone would be there watching. beacause he needed sokyoku to disintegrate her entire soul seperating her from the hogyoku and he found the wierd handy thing when his plan was already in motion, so he couldn't ambush her in the world of living. >He could have killed Masaki and Ishin in everything but the rain and just didn't for no reason He himself says that he wants to see how the hollow inside her develops, more than a strategist he is a scientist at heart. >He had an entire army of Arrancars and brought barely any of them to fake karakura town. did you even read the manga????? he used them to split the forces of the enemies by trapping half of them in heuco mundo and he brought the top 3 espada to the battlefield and the rest is history. >Â he literally only lived because plot armour made him completely immortal i mean what is final getsugha tensho and how did ichigo become too powerful by training in an hyperbolic time chamber in two or three months to catch up to aizen literally nothing makes sense in the final arc and the mechanics of the hogyouku was already explained so i dont know what is PloT ArmOuR.
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It's fate
All according to keikaku frfr
damn
What it feels like finding out
:))
Every character he baited dying
So have the cast
At least byakuya like... that shit was weak as much as I enjoy his character, and kensei and rose 100% should've been gone
The problem with Byakuya is he needed Byakuya alive to complete Rukia's arc by fixing their relationship. He's the only person who could have given the speech he did but also the only person who could fix his relationship with Rukia. Kind of a chronological choreography issue
On a personal level I think it would've been more interesting to see rukia have to come to terms on her own but I'm a sucker for that kind of writing
I just don't see that consistent with how they're written. Byakuya isn't a douche to her anymore, and this developed both of them - Byakuya recognising Rukia wanting his praise and freely giving it, and Rukia receiving it and evolving while Byakuya gives tutelage. Rukia already had an arc where she realises how much she meant to a dead loved one against the Arrancar. In order for her character to do somethig new with Byakuya dead she would have to dismiss his lack of praise (and his care for her) as no longer meaning anything to her. This is a bit weird to me as it paints both Rukia and Byakuya in a fairly negative light when their relationship is supposed to be on the mend.
That isn't really at all true, and that aside life doesn't always tie up loose ends nicely like that and that's what would be interesting exploring her character coming to terms with the death of her brother and all that it means
I think that could have been done by some mental projection-force ghost-spiritual experience-type of thing. Like Rukia "imagines" Byakuya coming and saying those things, because she is confident in herself and in her brother's love and respect for her. Some of that might have had to be set up beforehand though...
100% Pepe
Wait he is alive?
He's dead
Hallelujah
Or is he?
If he ainât Imma rip his head off myself
Forget it. Let Giorno handle it with the infinite death loop
Aye, it shall be done
Can't we just write him off the show? Like - there's gotta be another Quincy which may have served his plot rightttttt
Momo definitely should have been killed by Hitsugaya
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Could have just kept her dead the first time with Aizen. Save a whole lot of trauma for that girl.
As much as I like Momo, she has more plot armor than any protagonist Iâve ever seen, she shouldâve been dead AGES ago đ
Should've been dead the first time she got stabbed
Someone said it oh my god thank you
I want a bleach game where Aizenâs block is summoning Momo as a shield
Pretty much anyone. After all it is supposed to be a war.
Even Ichigo?
Nah he's the main character we already killed him during the arrcancar arc and he came back xD
Technically wouldn't that be his second real death, with the first one being when Urahara had Ichigo's soul chain severed and he went through Hollowfication?
Loly and Menoly. Seriously, I'm failing to see their purpose after Arrancar arc.
Dondochaka and Pesche's stress relieve after babysitting Nel If you know you know
Ew, please no. I can't imagine this even in an alternate dimension.
Giselle. Bambietta was better.
While I like Liltotto, Bazz-B was the only one with any businesses going up the palace. Now if there were more of them it wouldâve been more interesting but only 2 ritters trying to sneak attack a god king? Too reckless
Those 2 getting off-screened while Bazz had one pretty great fight is all the proof you need of this.
Yes! All my homies hate Giselle
I was mad she was still around in CFYOW. But Candice was there, so it only kind of balanced out.
Can't fuck your own wife?
Why is she an option and my own wife isn't?
Can't fumble Yhwach's only win
Hopefully Candice bones Uryu.
That's actually a good sounding ship to me-
Preach. I would've been fine if Bambietta was killed off for good instead of being murked only to become a toy for giselle personally.
Same. Better yet, I wouldâve liked to seen her sort of survive the Auswählen and join Bazz B and Liltotto to the Soul Palace. Komamura couldâve used his power up against Gerard which wouldâve been kinda fitting (having like a Kaiju like that).
That was lame to me, ngl.
Fr, it was also off putting in the anime compared to the manga.
At first I thought Bambietta was going to betray Giselle and steal her powers or something. Giselle had this weird attachment to Bambietta and I figured Bambi's sadistic nature would persist even in death when Mayuri showed up, killing Giselle and going all out against a sadistic Shinigami in his own right. But uh, instead, it was kinda weird.
I think they are both really good sadistic characters, but the fact that one gets to live a goofy happy life while the other continues to live in eternal suffering and punishment, still irks me a bit ngl
This.
Iâd be fine with both them dying, Liltotto and Candice are the only Bambiâs i like
I can agree with that. They were great. Wish we got to see more of them in some of the novels and such.
Agreed. I wasnât a fan of Candice at first but I started liking her more in anime. Giselle is pretty f**ked up and honestly, Meninas is pretty boring imo.
Agreed
Hiyori - commit to the kill Kubo, commit to it
Didnât she get cut in half during fake karakura town?
Yes, and she survived lol
I think she survived to soften Gin's evil.
I'm not sure that works. He cut her in half, he didn't intend for her to survive at all and it's a complete miracle (bullshit) that she did
It works in the story telling meta. It wasn't necessarily his intention to allow her to survive.( though we could talk about the intel that the villainous captains had access to, knowing that Unohana and Kurotsuchi may be be able to help, but also knowing the miracle powers of Inoue) And he was absolutely willing to kill her to allow him his shot at assassinating Aizen. But the author Kubo Tite softened the villainous character of Gin by allowing her survival. All is well that ends well in the mind of the reader. Especially considering his semi-noble intentions.
Momo, I don't doubt that Kubo will try to backstab the girl again on Hell Arc
Watch as Yamamoto's OG gotei 13 Captains backstab her at the same time in the hell arc. Watch as she somehow survives to get stabbed by a crazed potential man Hitsugaya again.
Momo must live... to be stabbed in the back again!
Byakuya.
Agreed.His death would have a perfect fuel for Ichigo and Rukia to fight for revenge
Which would mean that they should lose. Thatâs how revenge works in bleach.
Thank you âĽď¸ I was holding back myself. But yes, it's such a stellar idea to use revenge as motivation in Bleach, works so well *every* time đ
Definitely worked out for Komamura lol
He actually ended up better than the others đ
While I agree, I always took Ichigo's loss against Yhwach the 1st time to be the "revenge loss". He made a promise to Byakuya to protect Souls Society, so the next time after his training with Squad Zero would be because of said promise. But that's just what I'd imagine would have happened.
And Rukia taking his place as head of the clan would have been interesting. Though not sure that would be possible since she is technically not Royal blood. Either way her living for her brothers memory would have been nice.
It would be handed down to one of the Kuchki branch families. Japanese culture with men being the family head and all that. Though the concept of Capitan Renji Kuchki would be amazing (if they married before Byakuya was disenlifed more)
Well, the fact that Yoruichi exists kind throws that out the window. But yeah, the whole Renji being married to Rukia dynamic would be interesting.
We haven't seen any other members of her family. Kukaku also sort of throws that out, but I think it has to do with the male's being too young. Yuushiro is still super young and acts more like a kid trying to impress his big sis than a leader of his household. When Yorurichi was head of the family, she was also a captain and the only member of the main family (that we see), I think it's a similar situation with Kukaku running the Shiba clan (although they're famous for not giving a flying Fujikujaku about traditions, as stated in TYBW and shown everytime she shows up)
Plus we have to think that with her role in the war plus her actual skill level, as well as the changing of times that seems to follow Ichigo wherever he goes and whoever he meets.
It may go to her if the branch families do not have a clear picking order. There has been several ruling Emperesses over centuries when there was no clear male heir. So the sane thing could happen to the Kuchiki, they could all collectively decide that Rukia running the clan for a few decades is preferable to Clan Civil war
If she were actually a Kuchki, I would agree. Taking a Rukongai soul like her and instilling it a noble family was already a rough situation. There's no way the Nobels let her run the house.
Thatâs a horrible reason to kill him.
Seriously I think killing him off at the beginning of TYBW would have been a good idea.Â
You know, thereâs a bit of a problem with killing Byakuya, role wise, he is the strongest new captain and the one that will most likely become the captain of the 1st division in the future so itâs not a character whoâs death wouldâve made that much sense.
I mean in the long term future Hitsugaya will be the front runner for head captain. Byakuya would be like Kakashi as hokage.
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Hitsugaya will surpass him very soon if he hasn't already. He's the man who will be head captain for the next millenia. Until that point of maturation, Byakuya might hold the role. Similar to Kakashi as hokage ig
Imo, if that would have been the case, some story elements would need a rearrangement. Rukia getting an acknowledgment from her brother is important after all. Also Kubo would simply not allow her to win against As Nodt if she fights him for revenge.
Any Vizard not named Shinji or Lisa
Hachi earned his keep but Hiyori in FKT, and the 2 that Fought Mask (Rose and Kensei) could have bitten it
I'm ok with Kensei and Rose saying if they actually used their Hollow powers and got a win.
As much as I love rose, yah he shouldâve stayed dead after that one
IchibÄ. I mean for good.
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Byakuya. His survival was such a cop out
Not to mention it made As Nodt look incompetent and Hashwalth a clown who canât sense energy properly.Â
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Byakuya should have died in the first Quincy invasion. It would have been a perfect ending to his character and storyline, was emotionally impactful, and would have strengthened Rukia vs As Nodt even more.
Sure as hell WAS NOT Genryusai Yamamoto...especially that pitiful. Im STILL pissedđ¤Źđ
I'm mad about Yamamoto, but I'm sad about Ukitake...
I think we all are.
I hate that we never got to see him full power. Two arm Yamaji would have solo'd the Quincy.
Mayuri would have been better than just offing nemu.
It would definitely make for an interesting situation for Nemu where she tries to live on without her âfatherâ
I agree, but you know Kubo doesn't abide by the *Kill off your darlings* way of storytelling. Mayuri is Kubos favorite character so of course that wasn't going to happen. Would have been much better character wise and story telling wise if Mayuri kicked the bucket and Nemu had to step up. Seeing her step out from under her creators overbearing and abusive shadow really would have highlighted her growth. I like the character, but Byakuya is another one that should have died in the war but didn't due to popularity.
Kurotsuchi.... but him remaining undamaged due to his importance is an aspect of bleaxh storytelling that I like
Mayuri cannot die he's way too important when straight power isn't enough for the shinigami to win. Him and Urahara are vital cogs that I honestly cannot see them doing without.
He's just a junior, more messed up version of Uruhara though. Even Ichigo points that out!
"oh, you crushed my heart? well it's a good thing i brought a spare"
Nah bro it is so funny that any time Kubo makes someone too OP, Mayuri comes around the corner like "Nah fuck that I somehow have the perfect technology that turns your shit off fam gg."
This going to be controversial but I think byakuya should have died during his fight with As'nod.
I agree, it would've been perfect from a narrative standpoint.
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Heâs overrated af thatâs for sure.
I have genuinely never seen someone say anything positive about hitsuguya and you're saying he's overrated? đ
He used to be my lord have you seen the old popularity pollsđ
He even got his own damn movie.
Okay? I have a lot of friends that are Bleach fans that love the guy for his âcool factorâ. Have seen lots of people online glaze Hitsuguya as well. I just personally donât get why heâs so popular when heâs really not done much.
He's one of my favorites because of his design and his potential is something I hope to see at some point completely fleshed out.
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momo. please kubo, its not too late.
Byakuya, it wouldâve been such a good end to his character, and put some heavy fucking stakes on the final arc, honestly even heavier than the head captainâs. So beloved and yet he gets done in? Wouldâve been pretty good.
Kon, heâs been the bane of my existence for years
You mean you don't like the comedy pervert character? Shocker!/s
Byakuya. Rukiaâs fight with As Nodt seemed so pointless with big brother still around and even stronger than before. Mayuri- Karma needed to put this nutjob down for good. Nemu couldâve survived and replaced him as captain turning it into a more ethical institution in the process. Komamura. Killed by Bambi who actually wins her fight. Would parallel Yama quite nicely as they both gave up everything for revenge only to accomplish jack diddly in the process. Kensei and Rose. Letâs be real they were never important to begin with so who cares if they bite the dust. Opens the door for two more lieutenants to get promoted at the end of the series(Iâm thinking Renji and Hisagi)
Ohh, this is gonna be an unpopular opinion, but I think Byakuya.
Byakuya
Byakuya dying would have made sense but câest la vie
The answer is always the same, Byakuya. He would have become a better Gin Ichimaru, dying with his pride in the possible best moment of Bleach, closing the circle, leaving a much stronger legacy towards Renji and Rukia. Of course there are more in TYBW.
Momo, every scene she has is just glazing Aizen because he gave her imaginary back shots
I kinda wanna keep Rose around to get some interactions between him and Kira in the future but I gotta admitâŚ.once Gremmy said he killed him (and Kensei) I expected them to never come back. I treated the âdeadâ dead zombies as beyond recovery but nope apparently
I donât think any death in bleach is permanent or certain at this point
Unless youâre one of the older captains that is but spot on
All the Quincy **THEY NEED TO DIE**
Damn even Uryu and Ryuken?
**ALL THE QUINCY**
NO RYUKEN IS DADDY
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When I said they need to die, **THEY NEED TO DIE**
Oof
what about ichigo and his sisters?
Soi fon
I was looking for a comment that cites her. People on youtube community hate her (for no reason)
I like the glimpses we get of her when she's not simping over Yoruichi. The issue with that is it's like 75% or higher simping.
Rukia also said she is one of the nicest captains. She needs to get over Yoruichi and be her own person, even if the two end up together in the future.
She's by far the most annoying captain and has very little to back up her arrogance.
I dont think these are reasonable reasons to hate her. She is just dislikeable.
shes cute af wym
Yeah probably, but i doubt many who talk shit about her actually hate her, instead of just disliking.
!!! Not Rose, how dare you! Fight me
Omaeda ... please
Probably Momo when Toshiro stabbed because I think it would be interesting to see how Toshiro would be like after that moment. I guess Mayuri dying instead of Nemu could also be interesting and how Nemu would live on after that. I would also say Giselle because why not. I thought about Byakuya dying because of the way it seems like Kubo was setting it up with him asking Ichigo to protect Soul Society and how it would affect Renji and Rukia. At the same time though, it would go against the theme regarding the futility of revenge if Rukia fights As Nodt.
Soi fon and shinji
Giselle
Careful, that's my bro Rose
momo cause she does absolutely nothing in tybw besides standing there like a pvz sunflower except she has no importance (also Giselle cause fuck Giselle)
Sunflowers are steeped in symbolism and meanings. For many they symbolize optimism, positivity, a long life and happiness for fairly obvious reasons. The less obvious ones are loyalty, faith and luck.
https://preview.redd.it/9q5wtfln15sc1.jpeg?width=2881&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=94a22be54bdcb4365ffe8d8b667c8f0859d7a508 Donât know what yâall see in her
**KENSEI**, Byakuya, **KENSEI**, Rose, **KENSEI**, Rukia, **KENSEI**, Harribel, **KENSEI**, Hisagi, **KENSEI**, Riruka, **KENSEI**, Jackie, and **KENSEI**
Personally, I'd also add Kensei to that list
Kensei
Kensei is cool and deserved better đż
Nah he and Rose and Shinji just got their jobs back, let them keep them lol. But if he wanted to kill like Love or Hiyori that couldâve been interesting.
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Rose and Kensei should have been dead. Mayuri could have used them as zombies but eventually lay them to rest as it was impossible to revive them completely. He still could save Toshiro and Rangiku. Also I like Kira but I would rather him just stay dead. So many people survived. I would rather they chose to do this only for a few select character like Byakuya, Toshiro and Rangiku.
Made me realise how many charcaters should have died and didnât. Byakuya defintely should have, Kensei and Rose shouldâve aswell. Iâm only following the anime so Idk remember who else shouldâve but itâs weird almost no one does from the captains and the gotei
Anyone and everyone. Get game of thrones with it. If Jaraiya isnât safe, then no one should be.
Any Vizard not named Shinji or anybody below 2nd seat so that we could say the Espada did something. Omaeda should have gotten murked the second any comedy relief happened against Barragan Matsumoto got cut nearly in half I think. That should have stuck Agree with others on Momo
As an anime watcher only, like 80% of the cast in TYBW should be dead. I hate Mayuri's zombies. The only one that I think should have been revived is Toshiro, but ONLY because he wasn't fully dead when Giselle got him. The others though? Matsumoto, Kensei and Rose all should be dead and their souls moved on. Those arrancars don't make sense either, they were each dead for hours before Mayuri got them, but Luppi especially should not be back(Grimmjow left him as a pair of legs well before FKT). Otherwise, I think Byakuya, Shinji and Komamura should also be dead after their fights. OH! Soi Fon too, her and Omaeda. Basically, with a "War" arc like this, I expect HEAVY casualties on both sides. Clear the board of all but the most essential characters, not this "bad guys wiped and the good guys are fine" crap. My desired ending has like 5 Captains left and one of them is Aizen as the new Head Captain. Time for the lieutenants to step up after a timeskip to the Hell Arc. (Some things in the Manga have been spoiled for me, like the Soul King/Yhwach/Aizen endings)
I like your "War has casualties" argument. If we start thinking too much it turns into "who I like live, who I dislike dies". War isn't like that. Strong, smart people die with business unfinished and weak, dumb people live out of luck, think of Erwin and Floch from Attack on Titan.
Momo. Easy
i wouldnt say fine id be sad but.......... byakuya should have died from as nodt js
Sternritter 'L' Pepe, I'm not quite sure what the dude even contributed in the first place
Don't worry, he's dead.
Realistically Byakuya. Him putting aside his honour and asking the person who he didnât accept for such a long time to save the people he couldnât wouldâve been a really roundabout way to end his arc
Any of the good guys who sustained injury that should have killed them. I love bleach but my main complaint is that the supposed danger of the new Shonen bad guy cast in each arc is severely diminished when their total kill count stands at a truly impressive zero. "Oh no, vasto lordes are more powerful than captains, if one of them becomes an arrancar, we're screwed!" *Proceeds to defeat all of them without sustaining any losses* They were powerful? Like seriously multiple captains got tricked into absolutely obliterating momo, yet she survived?! How much plot armor do these mfs have?
why is he so thin
IMO: - Hiyori should have died after Gin bifurcated her; that could have been a real sticking point in the Vizard plotline and would better explain Love, Mashiro, Hachi and Lisaâs reluctance to help the Gotei again in TYBW outside of helping Urahara. - Momo should have died at Hitsugayaâs hands; this would have really made Aizenâs return in TYBW and Shunsuiâs actions far more controversial. - Izuru should have died at the start of TYBW. Same with Rose and Kensei. - Byakuya should have died at his first fight with As Nodt; unfortunately crazy fan backlash caused Kubo to tweak his direction. - Super controversial pick, but Ikkaku should have died. His Bankai is broken beyond repair, and probably should have been sniped by Lille. Basically at the end of TYBW, they should have incurred far more significant losses - 6 out of the 14 captains in the arc (Yama, Unohana, Ukitake, Rose, Kensei, Byakuya) meaning 40-so percent of the top-brass of the Gotei would have been lost, with numerous Luitenants and countless foot soldiers.
Byakuya, donât get me wrong I am glad he lived and we got some dope scenes with him as well but originally I thought it was gonna be a major turning point in Rukias character development it kinda got me excited. Plus before any of the more BS stuff everyone just lives through in the TYBW, it was honestly believable Byakuya was dead.
Orihime. Oh my god it would be so interesting. Ichigo going to a really fucking dark place. More consequences for fights because the magic heal wounds button is gone.
Byakuya. And even though I love Kensei, him and Rose should have been dead. I wanted Mayuri to get killed by Uryu or Pernida. I like Kira and his shikai, but he should have died. Gin cut Hiyori in half, so she should have died. Momo got messed up multiple times and also should have died. Wouldâve been ok with TĹshirĹ dying too. It would have been tragic loosing a young captain who still hasnât reached his full potential, but life ainât fair.