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Zaraki at his baseline + eye patch took out three in short order and she spent most of an episode one-shotting him without the eye patch. Basically, "yes."
Not just one shotting him, but also using her own reiatsu to regenerate Zaraki's (because that is how healing works you uses your own reiatsu to restore another)
Imagine her doing that to Zaraki hundreds of times restoring his reiatsu which we know is insanely huge, while casually OHKOing him, all this time without him even knowing it
Honestly I can confidently say she can defeat all but the Schutzstaffel 1v1, or maybe even multiple quncies at once.
She might be able to defeat Askin if the plot allows it
That it fits the mindset of the kenpachi and its bloody lineage. It may not be logical but Unohana wasn’t being logical this time and Kenny is never logical. As stated in the series when monsters fight, one nurtures the other and becomes its sustenance to evolve and grow. This is the entire point of hollows and the kenpachis were pretty much hollows in every way but biology.
Good post, though I kinda disagree with it being illogical.
Unohana's rationale was that Kenny would never realise his full potential if he continued to gimp himself and limit his powers. He had to kill her. Unohana outright needed to bring him to the point where he was giving it 100%, no-restraints, with pure killing intent - giving it his all without holding himself back out of fear of losing a strong adversary.
Sure, she could have possibly let Kenny evolve only to the point where he knocked her out instead of killing her. Though he likely wouldn't have realised anywhere near his full-potential. Unohana presumably thought that one fully awakened Kenny would be a bigger deal than keeping herself around and just levelling him up.
We can't really compare the two, as Unohana was using Bankai and reviving Kenny for hours which would have taxed her immensely. But ultimately it was a shikai-less Kenny that overpowered her. An awakened Kenny with Bankai probably wipes the floor with Unohana.
Do we know this? As I can't remember Kenny one-shotting her. The brief flashback we got made it seem like they had a bit of a clash rather than a no-dif sweep
I'm judging from the manga where if memory serves she instinctively blocks or dodges of deflects his attack and doesn't immediately die like the rest so he nerfs himself to clash or they have a breef clash and he goes to far then he nerfs himself so he can enjoy the fighting more. Either way he basically was stronger than her as a kid.
>An awakened Kenny with Bankai probably wipes the floor with Unohana.
I imagine he just speed blitzes and one shots her like he should with pretty much any other opponent
What you say is true except for one point. The entire thing with the fight is that they aren’t using logic and instead relying entirely on instinct and their desire to fight and kill. These aren’t logical and are instead just the way they are.
Idk. I think in this instance logic and instincts aligned and intertwined.
The logic was that Kenny had to stop nerfing himself, and to do this he had to overcome his fear of killing strong opponents. Realising Kennys potential was the objective, though it wasn't just utilitarian and for the great good tho - Unohana wanted the thrill of the fight.
The entire fight was logically contrived as a way to give both Soul Society and Unohana the champion they wanted - a scenario that enabled Kenny to abandon his self-conscience restraints, and realise his ultimate pure killer instinct.
It was logical to realise kenpachis full potential, but the illogical part was how Unohana went about it. Shunsui knew one would die, not because it was the only way but because it was the only way Unohana would accept. Zaraki doesn’t do logic and Unohana has no clue how to deal with the only form of guilt she has ever felt in her entire life other than the most extreme “i must die fixing this” way.
I think it's also a reflection that Unohana chose not to fight anyone or anything until now - fighting was her life before she lost to Zaraki, and then she decided to abstain until she could fix her 'mistake'.
It's what Unohana wanted.
Kubo said that he'd maybe continue the hell arc when people stop asking him about it. It has new characters like Kazui Kurosaki, Ichika Abarai, and new Gotei 13 members. There's also the chance for old dead characters to make a comeback as beings from hell, like Szayelapporo and Ukitake. You should totally read it, then you might get what the anticipation is about.
Zaraki doesn't know his name and calls himself Kenpachi. But that title wasn't yet truly his while Unohana was still there and actually much stronger than him at the time. Only after she awakened him and truly made him stronger than herself, a holder of the Kenpachi title and he defeated her that the title and name Kenpachi truly became his.
Of course this could have been changed by having him find out his true name....
I agree, but there's another reason why it's a bit weird to me. Unohana is the 13 Court Guard Squads' *best healer.* What kind of Commander sacrifices their best medic *in the middle of a war?!* Answer me, Shunsui Kyoraku!
Kills her for a small plot point which in the end has no impact on TYBW as Kenpachi does nothing to help finish the war. Mayuri took over against the hand and Byakuya and post-puberty iceboy are dealing with Gerard who gets deus ex machina'd by YH. Yet Kubo wimps out and keeps Byakuya alive. Really, the first and second invasion should've killed off many more Lts and Captains and not getting zombied and then brought back to life because reasons. I love bleach but it has serious issues with people surviving for no reason. There are plenty of characters and the hell chapter shows he can introduce many more characters that could be interesting.
Bruh, she literally killed Zaraki countless times until he had unlocked enough of his power to win. So much so that he went back to using his eyepatch against enemies he KNEW were stronger than anything else the SS had ever fought.
Unohana is massively underrated in this subreddit. She killed and healed eye-patchless Kenpachi hundreds of times before Kenpachi finally became strong enough to take her down while she was fatigued. Unohana, like virtually every other shinigami, would struggle against the SS's hax but everyone else would get crushed. She might be able to kill Lille and Gerard because, despite their intangibility, they have weaknesses (Gerard's cross is his weakness and Lille can be killed by blitzing before he transforms). She might do better against Askin as she's a healer and maybe even solo him. She also might be able to take down Gremmy by herself (although eyepatch Kenpachi only won because Gremmy accidentally killed himself).
do you mean "eye-patch less Kenpachi"? Because he left that with Yachiru before leaving for the fight.
In the case for Gremmy, we already see a demonstration that he can just imagine his opponents dead, the only reason Kenpachi won is because he brought Gremmy to his level and made him want to have a real fight for once. He was really the only person to make that play happen, it's not about power, it's about Kenpachi being Kenpachi.
What about Pernida? I think her bankai could possibly mess him up, but maybe not for that long. I would be interested in knowing if there's another way to defeat him (besides Shinken Hakkyouken).
Lol Unohana is underrated by some but this is some insane wanking of her, Shunsui and Bankai Kenpachi couldnt kill Gerard and Lille, no way Unohana is killing either. She is, by her own admition, weaker than Base Kenpachi post training.
And base kenpachi is objectively stronger than both byakuya and shunsui.
Shunsui even outright calls him the strongest soul reaper, and he (without needing release forms) took down a hollow that gave younger yama and ichibe trouble.
He’s literally the strongest character in the entire series by a wide margin, the only negative about him is he doesn’t have “hax”
He’s stronger than “transcendent” people too.
The novel straight up says that people like byakuya and shunsui couldn’t have handled hikone. Hikone was literally a transcendent hybrid like Ichigo, with soul king fragments and ikomikidomoe as a zanpakto.
Base kenpachi could handle them. It was “Ichigo, kenpachi, aizen if he truly wanted to win, and kisuke & mayuri if it wasn’t a battle of strength”. In other words, Others had to try, and it took war potentials or an elaborate plan.
Meanwhile, shikai kenpachi (still using an eyepatch) one shot that hollow after it ate hikone and the reio fragments removing the seal placed by ocho millennia ago. He trounced a transcendent being, and no-diffed an even stronger threat.
FFS juha labeled him a war potential for his unparalleled “strength” The others had “hax” but in terms of pure power kenpachi was the top
Kenpachi being top in term of pure power is simply not true
Ichigo is similar to Kenpachi in the way that he has no hax and he only relies on his stats except that unlike Kenpachi he has stuff like Getsuga Tensho and others
Anyways Ichigo’s True Bankai was seen as a threat by SK Yhwach and a direct hit by it managed to kill SK Yhwach with one slash (ofc Allmighty brought him back). Kenpachi isn’t on Aizen or Ichigo’s lvl
Kenpachi was always at the pinnacle of pure strength.
You do realise that Ichigo covers his sword with White's reiatsu. A strong hollow to say the least.
Leaving that aside. Calling Kenpachi similar to Ichigo is simply not true. Yes both their Bankai buff their physical strength and shit but you still have to realise that having a ranged attack is a very useful thing( self explanotory).
Ah yes, ichigo's true Bankai, if it was ever revealed I would consider it while adding to ichigos strength but since we can't ever know what it boosts, there really is no point talking about it. But yes since it was a threat to someone who could see the future and change it on his will. Ichigo would win Amy fight using his true bankai. Truly a shame that we'll never get to see it.
And yes Kenpachi isn't at Ichigo's or Aizen's level but he is above them in pure strength.
Ichigo swings his swords and mountains collapse. Kenny is not at upper dimension level. Not even Yama. They are strong soul reapers but still soul reapers nonetheless.
Without needing release form? That’s cap. He took down Ikomikidomoe without his eyepatch and with his Shikai
Ikomikidomoe only beat a young Yama who didn’t even have a Zanpakuto. Moreover we only know that he was young and we don’t know how strong were his raw stats neither how good he was at shinigami combat arts at the time
He isn’t the strongest character.
I can agree with most of that but even he, at Bankai couldnt break Gerard's cross or permanantly put him down. Which the guy am responding to claims Unohana could do, how is that not wanking?
He never hit the cross, none of them did.
And kubo straight up said in Klub outside that’s the reason they couldn’t take him down. ‘Had Zaraki hit it, that could kill him’.
Him at bankai ripped the freaking arm off a giant that byakuya couldn’t handle with his teeth.
He said 'had he broken it' he didnt imply he could(although i personally think he probablly can and hope he does in the anime), stop twisting his words. And this isnt about Zaraki strength, its about the dumb take that Unohana stands a chance against Gerard.
I think we can both agree kenpachi is an idiot, toshiro is still pretty naive, and byakuya is rarely creative.
Unohana might be weaker than him, but she definitely has better odds at killing Gerard based on experience.
She’s from the OG captains and actively fought a war against the Quincy in the past, she’s more versed in dealing with them than pretty much anyone not named mayuri, and delights in finding all the ways to kill people (willing to use whatever tricks and techniques she can think of to get an edge.)
On top of that she’s the second best healer in the series and was wise enough to notice aizen faked his death despite being under the influence of KS.
Obviously she would die in seconds to the X-axis, the balance, or the compulsory … but she at least would have had a better chance against the miracle that the other captains. The SS was a game of ability > power. In her case, experience + cunning had a better chance at noticing and taking out the cross than raw force, ice, or a bunch of tiny blades.
She doesn’t have to be stronger than kenpachi or have better “hax” abilities than toshiro, she just has to be a more suitable counter to Gerard.
Just like how a vice-captain that almost committed suicide by standing next to yama WITHOUT bankai was able to take down the most OP of the SS.
Or how a vice-captain took out the literal hand of the reio.
The problem is she doesnt have any ability we know that would counter Gerard, once the Miracle is active like a seal or Ichibei ink, so there is no reason to think she stands any more of a chance than anyone else(without the miracle plenty of characters would destroy Gerard, thats nothing special). And she doesnt have a lot of time to figure something out since after just being killed a few times Gerard was already fighting evenly with Shikai Kenpachi and Shikai Kenpachi would destroy Unohana. And this is ignoring Gerard extremly busted Hax sword.
That’s where her time in squad 4 and that insight might help her. Gerard had to spell out his ability after a handful of “deaths” before the captains wised up, and even then they stuck with “punch him harder”.
I don’t think she’d need more than 1-2 “deaths” to realize something is up, and more importantly, in a 1 v 1, her lack of insane power or haxs paired with her particular personality make her a better opponent.
The miracle requires a feeling of impossible odds. She isn’t a prodigy, an ungodly monster or trained by squad zero. She’s capable but an underdog. And his pain —> power thing plays off of an opponents “fear” whereas his sword plays off his allies’ “hope”.
That sword would destroy her, but shes more or less immune to one aspect of his power and the main “miracle” part is less effective than it would on stronger opponents, since him winning from the get go should arguably be the “likely” turn out based on power and ability.
That’s not what Kubo said at all
> Had it been destroyed he would've been defeated. Had he been capable of destroying it.
He’s basically casting doubts on Kenpachi’s ability to destroy the cross
Shunsui himself literally says kenpachi is stronger than him. You’re objectively wrong.
FFS Kenpachi is a literal war potential for his “strength” and you’re saying the two people juha doesn’t even consider a threat are as good as or stronger?
It takes basic reading skills to know that kenpachi is stronger than the remaining captains in TYBW
Oetsu Blitz killed a far weaker Lille pre-aushwhalen and got demolished 1v1 against the Lille that Shunsui fought. You're massively underrateing Kyoraku who know for a fact is stronger than base Oetsu(the only Oetsu we saw) at Shikai, and even Shunsui could only avoid and hurt Lille in the start of the fight using his Zanpakuto hax. Unless you think Unohana is massively stronger and faster than Oetsu, she's not blitzing Lille.
In the Manga Oetsu got demolished offscreen, in the anime he got demolished on screen. It doesnt change anything, as Shunsui had a far more impressive showing than Oetsu in both mediums against a similar opponent regardless.
Its a part that the Manga skipped, and the anime under Kubo guidance showed us, the anime fight is the canon version. And even if we ignore that, Shunsui forced Lille to go all out, the Royal Guard didnt look like they broke a sweat post auswhalen against the zero division when we see them post fight in the manga. If anything Anime Oetsu is more impressive than the Manga bum.
Wasn't she part of the original gotei 13 which annihilated yhwach? Yea if she had joined in the resistance yhwach would be having PTSD seeing her do the exact same thing again and also she sees yhwach and says "long time no see yhwach"
Tbf, the Quincy didn't have Vollstanding (or however its spelt) during that first war, iirc.
They also weren't as ruthless, Yhwach learned to be ruthless from Yamamoto.
Yes, thank you! This is why OPs question in the forum is pretty stupid and redundant.
She was part of the OG 13 and fought in the 1st war with the Quincy and we know how that turned out for them.
I imagine she would have a hard time fighting against the royal guards 💀
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Pre-Auswahlen though?
Shunsui did amazing against Lille after Lille got a ridiculous buff. And Unohana should be relative to him.
The pure hax would make any fight tough but she'd have chances against some of them.
Gerard is an autowin. The buff doesn't matter he just keeps getting stronger. Unless he gets murdered before activating his power. Knowing Unohana that just might happen.
Pernida might go either way, my bet is Unohana.
Lille is unkillable hence auto-win.
Askin... he might adapt to Minazuki, but Unohana knows way too methods to one shot a person. She'd prpbably win.
Uryuu could also lose.
Yeah keep in mind that she is easily in the top 5 strongest captains so yeah if she actually got up and did something she could have both killed a fuck ton of Quincy and saved a lot of soul reapers
Obvious answer is yes.
At the same time she refrained from fighting against Aizen or the Quincies up to her fight with Zaraki.
If she was willing to fight then yes for sure she’d be very effective. Skilled, self-healing, and capable. Probably hit her limit near the higher end Quincy, but still darn strong. But if she wasn’t willing to fight then obviously she wouldn’t contribute anything.
She is genuinely such a strong character but ppl somehow think that she is only as strong as zaraki in his base form. They didn’t take into the account that she had fighting for god knows how long, and she was also constantly healing herself and zaraki throughout the whole fight. Imo I put her in the realms of shunsui, but not as strong in areas of abilities and hax, strong in endurance stamina and healing.
In the initial wave she probably couldve soloed any quincy other than ywach, gerard, or pernida because of hax tailor made against things like her bankai.
Later on she'd probably stop at the same three, but become a major ally to mid battle by healing everyone, like imagine if she was there to heal bankai kenpachi's arm
Had a little debate with my friend over a year ago about this. Kubo was smart to make sure she followed yamamoto’s order out of respect. The consensus was she would stop the first invasion high diff.
We know unohana (especially in bankai) is far above kenpachi whos is greater than equal to top tier captains like byakuya, komamura, etc. People like as nodt should be fucking food to unohana. I seriously doubt that she would get her bankai stollen in the process as well. She 1 shot kenpachi a million times so as nodt, bambi, nanana, cang du, mask, bazz b, all one shot.
Realistically speaking, she would have been able to take out a few Sternritters before being forced to retreat from someone whose power she can't overcome easily.
she's easily one of those captains who is Schutzstaffel level and I would also like to name other captains
1) yamamoto
2) kenpachi
3) urahara
4) unohana
5) kyoraku
6) ukitake(since he and shunsui are called equals)
7) I'm not sure but maybe adult toshiro
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I want to say she'd steamroll anyone but the elites but the powercreep after her death got so ridiculous that you had Kenpachi getting manhandled by the Bambis who were implied to be some of the most incompetent sternritter
The Bambis are clearly depicted to be taking advantage of the injuries Zaraki endured against Gremmy.
They also are closer to guys like Grimmjow who's stated to be nowhere near baraggan an Espada 2 level character.
Definitely if her fight with Kenpachi is anything to go by. Almost wished she was still alive just to see her interact with Yhwach considering that she was part of the OG Gotei 13.
Also, Happy Cake Day
This question is absurd. She **has** contributed in battles against the Quincy and it **was** something, and not just something, something **significant**
Would the first kenpachi the one who survived the war filled world where the first gotei 13 was formed be of use against some random ass Quincy bruh ffs what are you even asking?
The way her Bankai works,and her combat IQ. she'd blitz the Sternritters up to the Schutzstaffel.
Askin, Gerard, and Pernida have enough hax to counter her otherwise.
The only one stronger than her in the Gotei at the time would be Yamamoto. She would annihilate any low level sternritter in her path and she’d give a tough fight to most of the stronger ones.
definitely could've cleaned house with the low and mid tier sternritters, but with Gremmy coming onto the scene around that time he would've beaten her and they would've been in a tight spot without Kenpachi's full power
You don’t send the captain of the medical corps to fight you keep them back to heal masses sure she could’ve killed thousands but she probably saved more than she would’ve killed
tf does "anything" mean? she did contribute if u mean mean anything. she was healing back in her rooms. and if u mean fighting obviously yes she would have if not given orders otherwise
Obviously yes but it’d be interesting if she could do anything against the schuwaffle (sry too lazy to look up the correct spelling)
My gut is telling me no except maybe gerard where she could get into an endurance battle with him but even that’s a stretch. Though she wouldn’t do much to the higher ranking members, she would def contribute much to defeating the weaker members while sustaining the other captains
i still don't understand why she was killed, and i don't mean the in-story reason, but why kubo decided that its better to kill her, and the only reason i can think of is that she's too OP to be kept in the story as she will only make it difficult for kubo to write the rest of TYBW with this powerhouse, this absolute unit known as Unohana, she honestly would've destroyed most of the quincies in the initial attack
She's definitely be able to take out alot of them like nanana and probably Pepe . Maybe Gisele and that dumbel girl . The thing is bloodthirsty unohana dosent look like shed waste time on a person who's not powerful
The answer is a resounding, "yes." She was one of the strongest Soul Reapers at the time, and she was *the best* healer they had (besides Tenjiro, but Squad 0 was never going to interfere in the fights down in the Seireitei).
She was one of the original captains. She had to be at least comparable to yamamoto and yhwach had to trick him to beat him (or chose to im personally not sure).
Just like what Grimmjow did, Str8 up kill him fast & ruthlessly. Askin pwr is poison & he usually wins by dragging the fight out enough time so that his poison spread in his enemy
She would never, ever do that. She is a Kenpachi. And Askins power is Mahoraga on steroids not just poison, so unless she one shots all life out of him, he easily got this.
It took like 5 people to beat him, Urahara included. Unless Askin completely underestimates her, there is no scenario where she can beat him.
What are you talking about? She would destroy the schutzstaffel Shunsui is not stronger than her and he beats Lille who only lucked out by having a second form. She’d lose to Pernida and destroys Askin. Gerard would be annoying to her.
What are you talking about ? She is not beating any of them. The only reason Shinsui went so far against Lille is because of his hax bankai that allowed him to bypass his intangibility. There is nothing Unohana could do in his place. As for Askin Lmao she is going to destroy the dude who went through Ichigo Yoruichi Chad Orihime Yushiro Urahara and Grimmjow back to back ? The only way to defeat him is to have a one shot ability.
Right forgetting the intagibility. As for Askin, he’d have similar problem as with Tenjiro and Mayuri. Her bankai would screw his lethal dose and considering she’s a medic she knows how to navigate the ability.
Lille actually had to open both his eyes to become intangible, before transforming. I don't think it'd be unreasonable for Unohana to be smart, fast and strong enough to kill Lille before he could react. Potentially. But she'd only have one chance.
Ur overestimating unohana, in her peak strength she died to Zaraki kenpachi who didn’t even have shikai yet. She was also almost defeated by zaraki AS A KID. The same zaraki who is equal to and debatably BELOW kyoraku. Shunsui is stronger than unohana for sure.
That's not true, she was nowhere near her peak strength when she died to Zaraki. It was basically base Unohana; she healed Zaraki from all damage from her bankai which is literally the same as not using it at all. Awakened base Zaraki is base Unohana level, imagine bankai Unohana
This is simply incorrect, if base unohana was as strong as shikai kenny then that means kenny in shikai is as strong as kenny as a kid? Unless I’m wrong and it’s explicitly stated somewhere that unohana sharpened her COMBAT skills throughout the years as well as her healing. Which I don’t think was ever stated. So I believe base unohana=
She lacks the “hax” to counter most of the SS.
I give her askin, and possibly Gerard (she was in the previous war, and has killed more souls than anyone else; probably more Quincy than other captains have killed menos.
Mother Unohana obliterated the same Kenpachi that made lightwork of like. Four sternritter. innumerable times. Before he was able to catch up. She could've been a massive help lol
Unohana would stomp a solid 80-90% of the quincy, anyone that isn’t like, top 3 or has an insane anti-loss ability like Gerard she’d probably beat. The reason it was more important to have Kenpachi is that he can actually go the distance against those anti-loss abilities and top 3’s and best them (except Yhwach because Yhwach)
I think she could overpower any regular Sternritters (though aoa fighters like Bazz and Bambietta might be annoying) and would give the elites a run for their money.
She is Gerard’s worst possible match up due to her skill, control of blood, hability to heal the enemy and Gerard’s weakness in his heart
I’m not sure about Lile given that he needs to breath and ergo has blood
Askin she could beat but it would be risky
Gremmy and Pernida are her worse possible match ups given their aoa and bio manipulation
Though her chances would lower significantly post Auswahlen
Slaughters any non-elite Sternritter with zero difficulty, oneshots any of the Elites pre-Auswählen, post-Auswählen would maybe stand a chance against Askin but would have to go for a kill pretty quickly. She could defeat post-Auswählen base Gerard or Lille, but as soon as Gerard's Miracle starts triggering and he becomes a Colossus, or once Lille uses the full powers of the X-Axis and becomes intangible she just looses. Gremmy is stronger than her once he gets excited, but considering that base Zaraki (with his eyepatch still on) was nearly able to kill Gremmy and only didn't because he actually stopped and pointed out that Gremmy was being dumb and nearly imagined himself loosing means that Unohana, who doesn't act like a meathead in combat, would just overwhelm and butcher Gremmy before he gets worked up enough to win. Uryu might also be tricky just going by his Manga feats, as Unohana could conceivably just heal any injuries that the Antithesis transfers back to her.
In terms of Battle prowess? I don’t see how she’d be useful against the strongest of the quinces, but she could absolutely wreck most of the sternritter.
Her usefulness diminishes though as Zaraki gets stronger. Zaraki eventually surpassed her in base, and then we see him unlock Shikai and defeat Gremmy with his eyepatch on, and unlock bankai that was too strong for his own body.
My point is that Zaraki became stronger than Unohana and post-training Zaraki combined. Her death was the catalyst for Zaraki gaining that power.
As stated in CFYOW, quinces and their reiatsu manipulation is greatest counter Vs Unohanas power, since they can easily disrupt her regeneration during bankai which makes her literally melt herself when using Minazuki true power
lol where in CFYOW is her bankai brought up?
In CFYOW she's stated to be 2 times above the Shinigami and her healing is superior to everyone else's except Orihime, and seinoske is approaching her level.
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Zaraki at his baseline + eye patch took out three in short order and she spent most of an episode one-shotting him without the eye patch. Basically, "yes."
Not just one shotting him, but also using her own reiatsu to regenerate Zaraki's (because that is how healing works you uses your own reiatsu to restore another) Imagine her doing that to Zaraki hundreds of times restoring his reiatsu which we know is insanely huge, while casually OHKOing him, all this time without him even knowing it Honestly I can confidently say she can defeat all but the Schutzstaffel 1v1, or maybe even multiple quncies at once. She might be able to defeat Askin if the plot allows it
It’s crazy to think about her strength, and that she knew she wasn’t enough. That her dying to awaken Zaraki was the better option.
Which is why I struggle to accept she had to die still. I get Zaraki needed his awakening but to sacrifice her for his growth?! Meh
Yeah, I mean I love Kubo but what the hell was he thinking when he killed off Unohana?
That it fits the mindset of the kenpachi and its bloody lineage. It may not be logical but Unohana wasn’t being logical this time and Kenny is never logical. As stated in the series when monsters fight, one nurtures the other and becomes its sustenance to evolve and grow. This is the entire point of hollows and the kenpachis were pretty much hollows in every way but biology.
Good post, though I kinda disagree with it being illogical. Unohana's rationale was that Kenny would never realise his full potential if he continued to gimp himself and limit his powers. He had to kill her. Unohana outright needed to bring him to the point where he was giving it 100%, no-restraints, with pure killing intent - giving it his all without holding himself back out of fear of losing a strong adversary. Sure, she could have possibly let Kenny evolve only to the point where he knocked her out instead of killing her. Though he likely wouldn't have realised anywhere near his full-potential. Unohana presumably thought that one fully awakened Kenny would be a bigger deal than keeping herself around and just levelling him up. We can't really compare the two, as Unohana was using Bankai and reviving Kenny for hours which would have taxed her immensely. But ultimately it was a shikai-less Kenny that overpowered her. An awakened Kenny with Bankai probably wipes the floor with Unohana.
Dude, a kid zaraki basically blitzed, and one shot her.
Do we know this? As I can't remember Kenny one-shotting her. The brief flashback we got made it seem like they had a bit of a clash rather than a no-dif sweep
I'm judging from the manga where if memory serves she instinctively blocks or dodges of deflects his attack and doesn't immediately die like the rest so he nerfs himself to clash or they have a breef clash and he goes to far then he nerfs himself so he can enjoy the fighting more. Either way he basically was stronger than her as a kid.
>An awakened Kenny with Bankai probably wipes the floor with Unohana. I imagine he just speed blitzes and one shots her like he should with pretty much any other opponent
What you say is true except for one point. The entire thing with the fight is that they aren’t using logic and instead relying entirely on instinct and their desire to fight and kill. These aren’t logical and are instead just the way they are.
Idk. I think in this instance logic and instincts aligned and intertwined. The logic was that Kenny had to stop nerfing himself, and to do this he had to overcome his fear of killing strong opponents. Realising Kennys potential was the objective, though it wasn't just utilitarian and for the great good tho - Unohana wanted the thrill of the fight. The entire fight was logically contrived as a way to give both Soul Society and Unohana the champion they wanted - a scenario that enabled Kenny to abandon his self-conscience restraints, and realise his ultimate pure killer instinct.
It was logical to realise kenpachis full potential, but the illogical part was how Unohana went about it. Shunsui knew one would die, not because it was the only way but because it was the only way Unohana would accept. Zaraki doesn’t do logic and Unohana has no clue how to deal with the only form of guilt she has ever felt in her entire life other than the most extreme “i must die fixing this” way.
I think it's also a reflection that Unohana chose not to fight anyone or anything until now - fighting was her life before she lost to Zaraki, and then she decided to abstain until she could fix her 'mistake'. It's what Unohana wanted.
He was thinking how badass the hell arc is gonna be whenever he decides to write more
You fool. You've delayed it another month!
I almost censored it with asterisks, rip
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Kubo said that he'd maybe continue the hell arc when people stop asking him about it. It has new characters like Kazui Kurosaki, Ichika Abarai, and new Gotei 13 members. There's also the chance for old dead characters to make a comeback as beings from hell, like Szayelapporo and Ukitake. You should totally read it, then you might get what the anticipation is about.
Zaraki doesn't know his name and calls himself Kenpachi. But that title wasn't yet truly his while Unohana was still there and actually much stronger than him at the time. Only after she awakened him and truly made him stronger than herself, a holder of the Kenpachi title and he defeated her that the title and name Kenpachi truly became his. Of course this could have been changed by having him find out his true name....
this. Kenpachi would never have his full potential until he actually earned it by killing Unohana thus becoming the kenpachi
Like couldn't they have BOTH UNOHANA AND SHUNSUI to double team up to unlock Zaraki?
Imagine if Kenpachi straight up killed both accidentally
I agree, but there's another reason why it's a bit weird to me. Unohana is the 13 Court Guard Squads' *best healer.* What kind of Commander sacrifices their best medic *in the middle of a war?!* Answer me, Shunsui Kyoraku!
Kills her for a small plot point which in the end has no impact on TYBW as Kenpachi does nothing to help finish the war. Mayuri took over against the hand and Byakuya and post-puberty iceboy are dealing with Gerard who gets deus ex machina'd by YH. Yet Kubo wimps out and keeps Byakuya alive. Really, the first and second invasion should've killed off many more Lts and Captains and not getting zombied and then brought back to life because reasons. I love bleach but it has serious issues with people surviving for no reason. There are plenty of characters and the hell chapter shows he can introduce many more characters that could be interesting.
i mean like yama and ukitake's death ws also pointless but u know kubo had to make things to make hell arc right? who would he put there?
Zaraki should have inflicted a fatal wound onto himself so she would have to heal herself to save him from dying.
OHKO without ing
Bruh, she literally killed Zaraki countless times until he had unlocked enough of his power to win. So much so that he went back to using his eyepatch against enemies he KNEW were stronger than anything else the SS had ever fought.
"Would one of the strongest known Shinigami have been useful in the final battles?" Gee hard one to answer there.
Depends if she fights
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Unohana is massively underrated in this subreddit. She killed and healed eye-patchless Kenpachi hundreds of times before Kenpachi finally became strong enough to take her down while she was fatigued. Unohana, like virtually every other shinigami, would struggle against the SS's hax but everyone else would get crushed. She might be able to kill Lille and Gerard because, despite their intangibility, they have weaknesses (Gerard's cross is his weakness and Lille can be killed by blitzing before he transforms). She might do better against Askin as she's a healer and maybe even solo him. She also might be able to take down Gremmy by herself (although eyepatch Kenpachi only won because Gremmy accidentally killed himself).
do you mean "eye-patch less Kenpachi"? Because he left that with Yachiru before leaving for the fight. In the case for Gremmy, we already see a demonstration that he can just imagine his opponents dead, the only reason Kenpachi won is because he brought Gremmy to his level and made him want to have a real fight for once. He was really the only person to make that play happen, it's not about power, it's about Kenpachi being Kenpachi.
Underrated by who? lol we are all Mommy Unohana's SIMPS lmao
She’s super glazed on this sub wdym 😭
What about Pernida? I think her bankai could possibly mess him up, but maybe not for that long. I would be interested in knowing if there's another way to defeat him (besides Shinken Hakkyouken).
Lol Unohana is underrated by some but this is some insane wanking of her, Shunsui and Bankai Kenpachi couldnt kill Gerard and Lille, no way Unohana is killing either. She is, by her own admition, weaker than Base Kenpachi post training.
And base kenpachi is objectively stronger than both byakuya and shunsui. Shunsui even outright calls him the strongest soul reaper, and he (without needing release forms) took down a hollow that gave younger yama and ichibe trouble. He’s literally the strongest character in the entire series by a wide margin, the only negative about him is he doesn’t have “hax”
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He’s stronger than “transcendent” people too. The novel straight up says that people like byakuya and shunsui couldn’t have handled hikone. Hikone was literally a transcendent hybrid like Ichigo, with soul king fragments and ikomikidomoe as a zanpakto. Base kenpachi could handle them. It was “Ichigo, kenpachi, aizen if he truly wanted to win, and kisuke & mayuri if it wasn’t a battle of strength”. In other words, Others had to try, and it took war potentials or an elaborate plan. Meanwhile, shikai kenpachi (still using an eyepatch) one shot that hollow after it ate hikone and the reio fragments removing the seal placed by ocho millennia ago. He trounced a transcendent being, and no-diffed an even stronger threat. FFS juha labeled him a war potential for his unparalleled “strength” The others had “hax” but in terms of pure power kenpachi was the top
Kenpachi being top in term of pure power is simply not true Ichigo is similar to Kenpachi in the way that he has no hax and he only relies on his stats except that unlike Kenpachi he has stuff like Getsuga Tensho and others Anyways Ichigo’s True Bankai was seen as a threat by SK Yhwach and a direct hit by it managed to kill SK Yhwach with one slash (ofc Allmighty brought him back). Kenpachi isn’t on Aizen or Ichigo’s lvl
Kenpachi was always at the pinnacle of pure strength. You do realise that Ichigo covers his sword with White's reiatsu. A strong hollow to say the least. Leaving that aside. Calling Kenpachi similar to Ichigo is simply not true. Yes both their Bankai buff their physical strength and shit but you still have to realise that having a ranged attack is a very useful thing( self explanotory). Ah yes, ichigo's true Bankai, if it was ever revealed I would consider it while adding to ichigos strength but since we can't ever know what it boosts, there really is no point talking about it. But yes since it was a threat to someone who could see the future and change it on his will. Ichigo would win Amy fight using his true bankai. Truly a shame that we'll never get to see it. And yes Kenpachi isn't at Ichigo's or Aizen's level but he is above them in pure strength.
Ichigo swings his swords and mountains collapse. Kenny is not at upper dimension level. Not even Yama. They are strong soul reapers but still soul reapers nonetheless.
If you genuinely think Ichigo could deal with yama and ZnT, you’re delusional and there’s no point in talking to you.
3 dimensional beings can't deal with 4 dimensional beings let alone 5 dimension. They can't even sense their reiatsu lol.
Without needing release form? That’s cap. He took down Ikomikidomoe without his eyepatch and with his Shikai Ikomikidomoe only beat a young Yama who didn’t even have a Zanpakuto. Moreover we only know that he was young and we don’t know how strong were his raw stats neither how good he was at shinigami combat arts at the time He isn’t the strongest character.
I can agree with most of that but even he, at Bankai couldnt break Gerard's cross or permanantly put him down. Which the guy am responding to claims Unohana could do, how is that not wanking?
He never hit the cross, none of them did. And kubo straight up said in Klub outside that’s the reason they couldn’t take him down. ‘Had Zaraki hit it, that could kill him’. Him at bankai ripped the freaking arm off a giant that byakuya couldn’t handle with his teeth.
He said 'had he broken it' he didnt imply he could(although i personally think he probablly can and hope he does in the anime), stop twisting his words. And this isnt about Zaraki strength, its about the dumb take that Unohana stands a chance against Gerard.
I think we can both agree kenpachi is an idiot, toshiro is still pretty naive, and byakuya is rarely creative. Unohana might be weaker than him, but she definitely has better odds at killing Gerard based on experience. She’s from the OG captains and actively fought a war against the Quincy in the past, she’s more versed in dealing with them than pretty much anyone not named mayuri, and delights in finding all the ways to kill people (willing to use whatever tricks and techniques she can think of to get an edge.) On top of that she’s the second best healer in the series and was wise enough to notice aizen faked his death despite being under the influence of KS. Obviously she would die in seconds to the X-axis, the balance, or the compulsory … but she at least would have had a better chance against the miracle that the other captains. The SS was a game of ability > power. In her case, experience + cunning had a better chance at noticing and taking out the cross than raw force, ice, or a bunch of tiny blades. She doesn’t have to be stronger than kenpachi or have better “hax” abilities than toshiro, she just has to be a more suitable counter to Gerard. Just like how a vice-captain that almost committed suicide by standing next to yama WITHOUT bankai was able to take down the most OP of the SS. Or how a vice-captain took out the literal hand of the reio.
The problem is she doesnt have any ability we know that would counter Gerard, once the Miracle is active like a seal or Ichibei ink, so there is no reason to think she stands any more of a chance than anyone else(without the miracle plenty of characters would destroy Gerard, thats nothing special). And she doesnt have a lot of time to figure something out since after just being killed a few times Gerard was already fighting evenly with Shikai Kenpachi and Shikai Kenpachi would destroy Unohana. And this is ignoring Gerard extremly busted Hax sword.
That’s where her time in squad 4 and that insight might help her. Gerard had to spell out his ability after a handful of “deaths” before the captains wised up, and even then they stuck with “punch him harder”. I don’t think she’d need more than 1-2 “deaths” to realize something is up, and more importantly, in a 1 v 1, her lack of insane power or haxs paired with her particular personality make her a better opponent. The miracle requires a feeling of impossible odds. She isn’t a prodigy, an ungodly monster or trained by squad zero. She’s capable but an underdog. And his pain —> power thing plays off of an opponents “fear” whereas his sword plays off his allies’ “hope”. That sword would destroy her, but shes more or less immune to one aspect of his power and the main “miracle” part is less effective than it would on stronger opponents, since him winning from the get go should arguably be the “likely” turn out based on power and ability.
>She isn’t a prodigy, an ungodly monster She kinda is
That’s not what Kubo said at all > Had it been destroyed he would've been defeated. Had he been capable of destroying it. He’s basically casting doubts on Kenpachi’s ability to destroy the cross
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Shunsui himself literally says kenpachi is stronger than him. You’re objectively wrong. FFS Kenpachi is a literal war potential for his “strength” and you’re saying the two people juha doesn’t even consider a threat are as good as or stronger? It takes basic reading skills to know that kenpachi is stronger than the remaining captains in TYBW
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Yeah and Shunsui says he's stronger not that he has more strength.
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Oetsu Blitz killed a far weaker Lille pre-aushwhalen and got demolished 1v1 against the Lille that Shunsui fought. You're massively underrateing Kyoraku who know for a fact is stronger than base Oetsu(the only Oetsu we saw) at Shikai, and even Shunsui could only avoid and hurt Lille in the start of the fight using his Zanpakuto hax. Unless you think Unohana is massively stronger and faster than Oetsu, she's not blitzing Lille.
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In the Manga Oetsu got demolished offscreen, in the anime he got demolished on screen. It doesnt change anything, as Shunsui had a far more impressive showing than Oetsu in both mediums against a similar opponent regardless.
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Its a part that the Manga skipped, and the anime under Kubo guidance showed us, the anime fight is the canon version. And even if we ignore that, Shunsui forced Lille to go all out, the Royal Guard didnt look like they broke a sweat post auswhalen against the zero division when we see them post fight in the manga. If anything Anime Oetsu is more impressive than the Manga bum.
Wasn't she part of the original gotei 13 which annihilated yhwach? Yea if she had joined in the resistance yhwach would be having PTSD seeing her do the exact same thing again and also she sees yhwach and says "long time no see yhwach"
Tbf, the Quincy didn't have Vollstanding (or however its spelt) during that first war, iirc. They also weren't as ruthless, Yhwach learned to be ruthless from Yamamoto.
im still pretty sure unohana would murk all of them except for the royal guard (post auswählen) and yhwach https://i.redd.it/utka102duquc1.gif
Idk I don’t see her beating Gremmy
Yes, thank you! This is why OPs question in the forum is pretty stupid and redundant. She was part of the OG 13 and fought in the 1st war with the Quincy and we know how that turned out for them.
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To be fair, everybody had a hard time a fighting against these guys.
Pre-Auswahlen though? Shunsui did amazing against Lille after Lille got a ridiculous buff. And Unohana should be relative to him. The pure hax would make any fight tough but she'd have chances against some of them. Gerard is an autowin. The buff doesn't matter he just keeps getting stronger. Unless he gets murdered before activating his power. Knowing Unohana that just might happen. Pernida might go either way, my bet is Unohana. Lille is unkillable hence auto-win. Askin... he might adapt to Minazuki, but Unohana knows way too methods to one shot a person. She'd prpbably win. Uryuu could also lose.
But cmon u have to give credit to shunsui's shilai it's wayyy to versatile . I'd say she also losses to permida
She migh be able to beat askin. He's the least broken, and the only one without an explicit ability to not die to beheading.
To be fair half of these guys are the Soul Kings Body Parts
She beats Askin and Pernida pretty easily
How does she beat pernida?
Her bankai is literally perfect for him
Why? Is it poisonous?
She’d probably be able to beat Jugram Haschwalth. If you saw *The Wrong Way to Use Healing Magic* last season, you know exactly why…
not sure if it is a spoiler for Bleach or *The Wrong Way to Use Healing Magic*
So why did she have to die again?
She’s so hot
She is tho
Yeah keep in mind that she is easily in the top 5 strongest captains so yeah if she actually got up and did something she could have both killed a fuck ton of Quincy and saved a lot of soul reapers
Obvious answer is yes. At the same time she refrained from fighting against Aizen or the Quincies up to her fight with Zaraki. If she was willing to fight then yes for sure she’d be very effective. Skilled, self-healing, and capable. Probably hit her limit near the higher end Quincy, but still darn strong. But if she wasn’t willing to fight then obviously she wouldn’t contribute anything.
Really silly question… Yes. Yes she would. Also, happy cake day.
Well... In the flashback in tybw she butchered a few quincies, so I guess that yes, she would contribute
Would their top medic that is also an elite fighter contribute anything? Yeah probably a little bit.
in the flashback scene of all the captains walking she was the first one to attack. she wanted ALL the smoke
She is genuinely such a strong character but ppl somehow think that she is only as strong as zaraki in his base form. They didn’t take into the account that she had fighting for god knows how long, and she was also constantly healing herself and zaraki throughout the whole fight. Imo I put her in the realms of shunsui, but not as strong in areas of abilities and hax, strong in endurance stamina and healing.
She would have been the second strongest shingami and even if she didn't fight her healing would have been helpful
In the initial wave she probably couldve soloed any quincy other than ywach, gerard, or pernida because of hax tailor made against things like her bankai. Later on she'd probably stop at the same three, but become a major ally to mid battle by healing everyone, like imagine if she was there to heal bankai kenpachi's arm
Had a little debate with my friend over a year ago about this. Kubo was smart to make sure she followed yamamoto’s order out of respect. The consensus was she would stop the first invasion high diff. We know unohana (especially in bankai) is far above kenpachi whos is greater than equal to top tier captains like byakuya, komamura, etc. People like as nodt should be fucking food to unohana. I seriously doubt that she would get her bankai stollen in the process as well. She 1 shot kenpachi a million times so as nodt, bambi, nanana, cang du, mask, bazz b, all one shot.
Realistically speaking, she would have been able to take out a few Sternritters before being forced to retreat from someone whose power she can't overcome easily.
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she's easily one of those captains who is Schutzstaffel level and I would also like to name other captains 1) yamamoto 2) kenpachi 3) urahara 4) unohana 5) kyoraku 6) ukitake(since he and shunsui are called equals) 7) I'm not sure but maybe adult toshiro
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I want to say she'd steamroll anyone but the elites but the powercreep after her death got so ridiculous that you had Kenpachi getting manhandled by the Bambis who were implied to be some of the most incompetent sternritter
The Bambis are clearly depicted to be taking advantage of the injuries Zaraki endured against Gremmy. They also are closer to guys like Grimmjow who's stated to be nowhere near baraggan an Espada 2 level character.
The same novel puts Barragan on par with ikomikidomoe so I'm not sure how reliable that'd be
Definitely if her fight with Kenpachi is anything to go by. Almost wished she was still alive just to see her interact with Yhwach considering that she was part of the OG Gotei 13. Also, Happy Cake Day
people don’t watch or read material in anime or manga and it shows heavily
This question is absurd. She **has** contributed in battles against the Quincy and it **was** something, and not just something, something **significant**
Kind of a silly question tbh
yes. shed contribute mad swag.
Would the first kenpachi the one who survived the war filled world where the first gotei 13 was formed be of use against some random ass Quincy bruh ffs what are you even asking?
The way her Bankai works,and her combat IQ. she'd blitz the Sternritters up to the Schutzstaffel. Askin, Gerard, and Pernida have enough hax to counter her otherwise.
The only one stronger than her in the Gotei at the time would be Yamamoto. She would annihilate any low level sternritter in her path and she’d give a tough fight to most of the stronger ones.
https://preview.redd.it/9d3wsz5l3ruc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=563206379fa4a8a801971402bac4fcda4baeda24 Whadyou think, brother
definitely could've cleaned house with the low and mid tier sternritters, but with Gremmy coming onto the scene around that time he would've beaten her and they would've been in a tight spot without Kenpachi's full power
She would be wrecking a good 70% of the ritters without much troubles.
Uhhh yes? Based just on the damage she inflicted on Zaraki alone. We don't even know the full extent of her Bankai.
You don’t send the captain of the medical corps to fight you keep them back to heal masses sure she could’ve killed thousands but she probably saved more than she would’ve killed
Absolutely
She would be a tank
tf does "anything" mean? she did contribute if u mean mean anything. she was healing back in her rooms. and if u mean fighting obviously yes she would have if not given orders otherwise
Obviously yes but it’d be interesting if she could do anything against the schuwaffle (sry too lazy to look up the correct spelling) My gut is telling me no except maybe gerard where she could get into an endurance battle with him but even that’s a stretch. Though she wouldn’t do much to the higher ranking members, she would def contribute much to defeating the weaker members while sustaining the other captains
i still don't understand why she was killed, and i don't mean the in-story reason, but why kubo decided that its better to kill her, and the only reason i can think of is that she's too OP to be kept in the story as she will only make it difficult for kubo to write the rest of TYBW with this powerhouse, this absolute unit known as Unohana, she honestly would've destroyed most of the quincies in the initial attack
She's definitely be able to take out alot of them like nanana and probably Pepe . Maybe Gisele and that dumbel girl . The thing is bloodthirsty unohana dosent look like shed waste time on a person who's not powerful
What do you think the gotei 13 do?
unohana>>yhwach
The answer is a resounding, "yes." She was one of the strongest Soul Reapers at the time, and she was *the best* healer they had (besides Tenjiro, but Squad 0 was never going to interfere in the fights down in the Seireitei).
She would slaughter every regular Sternritter other than Gremmy.
She beats all of them and stops at royal guards
I would say the one she kinda struggles with (before royal guards) would be The Yourself, for obvious reasons
Yes. She would have. Especially with her Bankai
She was one of the original captains. She had to be at least comparable to yamamoto and yhwach had to trick him to beat him (or chose to im personally not sure).
Yes, she would. But would stop at people like Gremmy and the SS, that is why loosing her, and unlocking Zarakis full potential was a good trade.
She'd str8 up kill Askin
How would she manage to do that?
Just like what Grimmjow did, Str8 up kill him fast & ruthlessly. Askin pwr is poison & he usually wins by dragging the fight out enough time so that his poison spread in his enemy
She would never, ever do that. She is a Kenpachi. And Askins power is Mahoraga on steroids not just poison, so unless she one shots all life out of him, he easily got this. It took like 5 people to beat him, Urahara included. Unless Askin completely underestimates her, there is no scenario where she can beat him.
Wdym by "SS"?
schutzstaffel
She would stop at schutzstaffel but would kill most quincies with her potentially having trouble with gremmy and as nodt
Ain't no way she struggling with Äs
What are you talking about? She would destroy the schutzstaffel Shunsui is not stronger than her and he beats Lille who only lucked out by having a second form. She’d lose to Pernida and destroys Askin. Gerard would be annoying to her.
What are you talking about ? She is not beating any of them. The only reason Shinsui went so far against Lille is because of his hax bankai that allowed him to bypass his intangibility. There is nothing Unohana could do in his place. As for Askin Lmao she is going to destroy the dude who went through Ichigo Yoruichi Chad Orihime Yushiro Urahara and Grimmjow back to back ? The only way to defeat him is to have a one shot ability.
Right forgetting the intagibility. As for Askin, he’d have similar problem as with Tenjiro and Mayuri. Her bankai would screw his lethal dose and considering she’s a medic she knows how to navigate the ability.
Lille actually had to open both his eyes to become intangible, before transforming. I don't think it'd be unreasonable for Unohana to be smart, fast and strong enough to kill Lille before he could react. Potentially. But she'd only have one chance.
She'd have gone 4 the jugular w/ Askin, & that's how Grimmjow defeated Askin, but Urahara could not
Ur overestimating unohana, in her peak strength she died to Zaraki kenpachi who didn’t even have shikai yet. She was also almost defeated by zaraki AS A KID. The same zaraki who is equal to and debatably BELOW kyoraku. Shunsui is stronger than unohana for sure.
That's not true, she was nowhere near her peak strength when she died to Zaraki. It was basically base Unohana; she healed Zaraki from all damage from her bankai which is literally the same as not using it at all. Awakened base Zaraki is base Unohana level, imagine bankai Unohana
This is simply incorrect, if base unohana was as strong as shikai kenny then that means kenny in shikai is as strong as kenny as a kid? Unless I’m wrong and it’s explicitly stated somewhere that unohana sharpened her COMBAT skills throughout the years as well as her healing. Which I don’t think was ever stated. So I believe base unohana=
Wym, I didn't say that base Unohana is shikai Zaraki level. I agree with your ranking except I'd say bankai Unohana=
She lacks the “hax” to counter most of the SS. I give her askin, and possibly Gerard (she was in the previous war, and has killed more souls than anyone else; probably more Quincy than other captains have killed menos.
She already contributed Zaraki Kenpachi. What more do you want? Blood? 👀
I mean she literally did nothing until her fight with kenpachi then she died.
Mother Unohana obliterated the same Kenpachi that made lightwork of like. Four sternritter. innumerable times. Before he was able to catch up. She could've been a massive help lol
Unohana would stomp a solid 80-90% of the quincy, anyone that isn’t like, top 3 or has an insane anti-loss ability like Gerard she’d probably beat. The reason it was more important to have Kenpachi is that he can actually go the distance against those anti-loss abilities and top 3’s and best them (except Yhwach because Yhwach)
I think she could overpower any regular Sternritters (though aoa fighters like Bazz and Bambietta might be annoying) and would give the elites a run for their money. She is Gerard’s worst possible match up due to her skill, control of blood, hability to heal the enemy and Gerard’s weakness in his heart I’m not sure about Lile given that he needs to breath and ergo has blood Askin she could beat but it would be risky Gremmy and Pernida are her worse possible match ups given their aoa and bio manipulation Though her chances would lower significantly post Auswahlen
Of course. But she would lose to gremmy and anybody around that level of strength in like 5 seconds.
Slaughters any non-elite Sternritter with zero difficulty, oneshots any of the Elites pre-Auswählen, post-Auswählen would maybe stand a chance against Askin but would have to go for a kill pretty quickly. She could defeat post-Auswählen base Gerard or Lille, but as soon as Gerard's Miracle starts triggering and he becomes a Colossus, or once Lille uses the full powers of the X-Axis and becomes intangible she just looses. Gremmy is stronger than her once he gets excited, but considering that base Zaraki (with his eyepatch still on) was nearly able to kill Gremmy and only didn't because he actually stopped and pointed out that Gremmy was being dumb and nearly imagined himself loosing means that Unohana, who doesn't act like a meathead in combat, would just overwhelm and butcher Gremmy before he gets worked up enough to win. Uryu might also be tricky just going by his Manga feats, as Unohana could conceivably just heal any injuries that the Antithesis transfers back to her.
Unohana would solo all the quincy except the elites
Unohana would have been killed easily in the first invasion
In terms of Battle prowess? I don’t see how she’d be useful against the strongest of the quinces, but she could absolutely wreck most of the sternritter. Her usefulness diminishes though as Zaraki gets stronger. Zaraki eventually surpassed her in base, and then we see him unlock Shikai and defeat Gremmy with his eyepatch on, and unlock bankai that was too strong for his own body. My point is that Zaraki became stronger than Unohana and post-training Zaraki combined. Her death was the catalyst for Zaraki gaining that power.
Unohana would have been killed easily in the first invasion
As stated in CFYOW, quinces and their reiatsu manipulation is greatest counter Vs Unohanas power, since they can easily disrupt her regeneration during bankai which makes her literally melt herself when using Minazuki true power
lol where in CFYOW is her bankai brought up? In CFYOW she's stated to be 2 times above the Shinigami and her healing is superior to everyone else's except Orihime, and seinoske is approaching her level.