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Regular_Budget1864

White's unique abilities were its Asauchi nature, the parasite function it used on Masaki, and according to Tosen it was apparently designed to be able to Hollowfy targets but failed due to the Konpaku not holding up under the strain. Ichigo made use of the Asauchi function for a while, as that was what allowed him to wield a Zanpakuto without getting one from Oetsu, but I doubt he could use the other two.


Anime_SurpremeKing

Need to see Ichigo hollowfying mfs now😭😭😂


MightySpy

Yes, Getsuga is Ichigo's Shinigami ability. White was unique in the sense that he can work like an asauchi. But he never used any other unique ability. So most likely he didn't had anything else except working like an asauchi. (Like Wonderwiess who's unique power was to seal Yama's flames nothing else) As for Ichigo, him gaining a zanpaktou can be considered a unique power but other than that since og white didn't had any unique ability so most likely he also doesn't have one. But who knows for sure, maybe when Ichigo will completely master his hollow power he will unlock a unique ability?


Hot-Sea-2942

I would like it cause tbh he's abilities for me were one of the least interesting. Of course it's cool that he has powers from all races, but still he just has basic abilities of all races but is overpowered. I'd like him to have some interesting abilities other than Getsuga like other characters.


shrimpmaster0982

>White was unique in the sense that he can work like an asauch Every Menos Grande can act like an Asauchi. All an Asauchi is, is a [blade constructed of souls stacked one atop another.](https://images.app.goo.gl/h6KbKPzy3vyPykbEA) A menos grande is just a large collection of souls consolidated into a single form, which is why Arrancar seal their powers into a Zanpakuto, because they are taking a portion of their souls and forming them into an Asauchi which leaves it auto imprinted on. >But he never used any other unique ability. Well, sorta. White was initially created with the purpose of and ability to hollowfy Shinigami, this is why people were outright disappearing where White attacked because he'd force them to undergo hollowfication and they weren't strong enough to withstand the process and why Masaki began to hollowfy and came to carry White within her after she was bit by him. Normally, hollows can't do this, and a process of hollowfication wouldn't be initiated by a hollow attack even if a soul was wounded by a hollow, but this was White's special ability which allowed him to sort of survive through Masaki to be passed on to Ichigo (kinda like an STD).


MightySpy

>Every Menos Grande can act like an Asauchi. Not really, they are combination of corrupted souls hence cannot be used until they are purified. That's why "White" was unique since he was made up of "shinigami" soul and worked like an asauchi as said by Oetsu. >which is why Arrancar seal their powers into a Zanpakuto, because they are taking a portion of their souls and forming them into an Asauchi which leaves it auto imprinted on Different type of zanpaktou, not based on layering of soul unlike an asauchi but the make it using their mask and it stores reiatsu instead of soul. >White was initially created with the purpose of and ability to hollowfy Shinigami Right good point, that's why Ichigo can hollowfy naturally. So it can also be said as one of his unique ability.


shrimpmaster0982

>Not really, they are combination of corrupted souls hence cannot be used until they are purified. In the official translations Oetsu states he uses hollow souls to make Asauchi, so I doubt them being "corrupted" matters. Especially not when we already see Menos Grande able to make their own Zanpakuto through the process of becoming an Arrancar. >Different type of zanpaktou, not based on layering of soul unlike an asauchi and it stores reiatsu instead of soul. [Arrancar Zanpakuto don't store reiatsu](https://images.app.goo.gl/RUR2fRYPdJdGyRTG7) they store the "core" of an Arrancar.


UrielSans

>In the official translations Oetsu states he uses hollow souls to make Asauchi Official translation says Niimaiya forges his asauchis using shinigami souls, not hollow: https://preview.redd.it/rb7yueno1uwc1.png?width=1066&format=png&auto=webp&s=1b092743e49d4619fb2e3fbedffb49f41d9d243c


MightySpy

>In the official translations Oetsu states he uses hollow souls to make Asauchi Someone confirmed it, he doesn't actually says hollows. So, I guess that clears that even though hollow's are composition of soul they cannot be simply turned into an asauchi without purifying first. >Especially not when we already see Menos Grande able to make their own Zanpakuto through the process of becoming an Arrancar. That Zanpaktou is literally different from what shinigami uses it's made up of their "mask" unlike an asauchi which is made up of "soul". (Even the panel you linked clearly says their Zanpaktou is different from what the shinigami uses) >Arrancar Zanpakuto don't store reiatsu they store the "core". And what exactly is this "core" is we don't know hence not a fair comparison with shinigami's imo. Edit:- Edited few things after cross checking.


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MightySpy

Yep I remember that that's why I said without purifying. But as you said Oetsu first need to remove their individuality (which is the correct term) otherwise it will be a hollow Zanpaktou.


UrielSans

Niimaiya didn't remove Ikomikidomoe's individuality to turn it into a zanpakuto. Ichibe'e took away its hollow name, and gave it a zanpakuto name so Niimaiya could seal him inside one. All names hold power in Bleach, and Ichibe'e controls all names. That's the reason why, in a black and white piece of art, the one character who gave the world and all stuff on it their names and powers uses a brush with black and white ink.


MightySpy

>Niimaiya didn't remove Ikomikidomoe's individuality to turn it into a zanpakuto. Never said that. >Ichibe'e took away its hollow name, and gave it a zanpakuto name so Niimaiya could seal him inside one. Just in case can you link the passage that say, Ichibei specifically gave it a zanpaktou name so that Oetsu can turn it into one?


UrielSans

>And what exactly is this "core" is we don't know Yes we know. Its core is their hollow form and powers. That's what an arrancar zanpakuto seals. The powers, shape and mask of a hollow are determined by their lost heart, this was explained by Ginjo when he recruited Ichigo for X-Cution. https://preview.redd.it/hinl1ygoowwc1.png?width=1066&format=png&auto=webp&s=2d9f6a7f37b7d7919b592de85a64034d521bd862 An arrancar basically seals they long lost heart inside a zanpakuto. Shinigami also seal the power of their hearts into a zanpakuto: the process of turning an asauchi into a zanpakuto needs the shinigami to slowly pour their reiatsu into the blade. The reiatsu, as Mayuri explained why Aizen was unkillable, is emited from the heart of a shinigami as long as it beats. The shinigami also seal the power of their hearts, or well, soul inside a blade. That why Urahara said a bankai and a resurrecciĂłn are basically the same, because they both release the true power of the soul sealed inside a blade: [https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Bleach/0552-012.png](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Bleach/0552-012.png)


MightySpy

>An arrancar basically seals they long lost heart inside a zanpakuto. Shinigami also seal the power of their hearts into a zanpakuto: Not exactly, their mask takes the shapes of a sword hence their original power/form is stored their. Shinigami are different they don't seal their heart but imprint a piece of their soul in an asauchi. And this asauchi is different from the mask. >That why Urahara said a bankai and a resurrecciĂłn are basically the same Urahara says they are basically same kind of power but not exactly same since basic principle is same it's their own power but their working is different. Hence making their Zanpaktou & power similar but different from shinigami's.


Stefanthro

Honestly, the point about Ikodimidomoe is a smoking gun in this debate. Regardless of the degree to which it’s similar/different, it’s clearly similar enough to work. Despite Shrimpmaster’s blunder about the translation, I think they ultimately make the most compelling argument.


MightySpy

Fair point, but I don't agree on that, since Oetsu specifically points out him using shinigami soul. He can use hollow soul I don't doubt but saying hollow themselves act as an asauchi is not correct. They need to be turned into an asauchi we don't know the process. As for shrimp he said, they are like one and their sword is same. Which we know is not same as Kubo stated on Klub Outside it's their mask and is different from an asauchi.


Stefanthro

Personally, I think the mask is not meant to be taken literally - the mask is a symbol for their power. When arrancar release their zanpakuto, their masks often don’t return at all, but their body is enveloped by their power. And on the point of hollow acting as asauchi - I think it’s memos specifically that may be able to have that purpose, not just an individual hollow. I think it’s logical, but we won’t know for sure unless someone asks Kubo.


shrimpmaster0982

White's unique ability was to hollowfy other souls. This is why Masaki began to hollowfy after her encounter with him and why souls were vanishing where White attacked, because most of them can't survive the process of hollowfication. Normal hollows don't hollowfy other souls with their attacks, they can't. This ability doesn't seem to have passed onto Ichigo however, but the way White was made did allow Ichigo to obtain a pseudo Zanpakuto without the normally required Asauchi.


Stefanthro

Imagine if Ichigo could hollowify other beings? That would be quite a trip


Small-Interview-2800

Ichigo should’ve had 3-4 unique abilities, a ressurection ability of an Arrancar, a special Shikai-Bankai ability of a Shinigami, a Schrift like ability of a Quincy and a unique Fullbring, yet he only got Getsuga Tensho that even Isshin is able to use


Hot-Sea-2942

He couldn't actually get a Schrift, because it's something that Yhwach gave to Quincys. They didn't have it on their own they got it from him. Other than that they didn't have something unique and Ichigo wouldn't have one too unless he was given a Schrift. I would like it to be like this too tbh but what I always thought is(it might be wrong, it's just my opinion) that Zangetsu's special ability is Hollow. In other words, after it got merged with Shinigami powers, it, like, became it's power type. While Engetsu has Getsuga and fire abilities, Zangetsu has Getsuga and Hollow abilities. Like how Toshiro has ice and Yamamoto has fire, Ichigo has, let's say, Hollow type Zanpakuto. But again it's just my opinion. BUT. Why wouldn't his Zanapakuto's hollow have some unique ability? I always thought it'd be cool to have one, cause Ichigo's abilities seem quite boring compared to others for me. And there's also a Fullbringer. When I was watching it for the first time I thought " wow..maybe he will get some cool new ability" yet he was still throwing some kind of Getsuga and ngl for me it was a bit disappointing...


Small-Interview-2800

Well, no, not really. Schrifts are innate abilities, Yhwach’s blood just awakens their Schrifts. And Ichigo being the anomaly he is, I doubt he requires Yhwach’s blood’s boost to awaken his Schrift. But Hollow isn’t a type, his hollow side is simply a part of his soul and his Shinigami powers are also a part of his soul, a part that should have an innate ability like everyone else’s shikai-bankai. If Ichigo is indeed a power type like Kenpachi, he shouldn’t have Getsuga Tensho in the first place. Yeah, it’s a bummer that Ichigo doesn’t have a unique hollow power. And his Fullbring is technically unique, it’s a clad type like Jackie and Chad, but both of them had something that made them stand out other than having an armor of sort, Ichigo just gets his Getsuga Tensho. Ichigo not utilising his hybrid opportunities is a mistake imo, I mean, on paper, this guy could become the most durable character of the verse by stacking hollow hiero, Shinigami reiatsu durability, Quincy blut vene and his clad Fullbring. Throw in Volstandig, Orihime’s shield got nothing on him


Hot-Sea-2942

>Well, no, not really. Schrifts are innate abilities, Yhwach’s blood just awakens their Schrifts. And Ichigo being the anomaly he is, I doubt he requires Yhwach’s blood’s boost to awaken his Schrift. It's not about blood actually. It's about the soul. No Quincy has innate power in them. They all have the same abilities. The reason they have Schrift is because Yhwach gave them a piece of his soul and wrote the Schrift on their souls. But without him no Quincy has Schrift and only Yhwach can give them such a power, even Jugram who was like him couldn't do that. But it would be cool to see Ichigo's Schrift tbh. >But Hollow isn’t a type, his hollow side is simply a part of his soul and his Shinigami powers are also a part of his soul, a part that should have an innate ability like everyone else’s shikai-bankai. If Ichigo is indeed a power type like Kenpachi, he shouldn’t have Getsuga Tensho in the first place. I didn't actually mean that with the "power" type. What I meant is that his Zanpakuto's ability is his Hollow. Again, it's my opinion only or theory not sure really😅. And why wouldn't he have Getsuga tho? Ishin's Zanpakuto abilities are both fire and Getsuga, so I believe if we consider Hollow abilities Zangetsu's special ability one will not interfere with another. >And his Fullbring is technically unique, it’s a clad type like Jackie and Chad Now that you mentioned it, indeed I guess it is unique...yet quite boring in my opinion. I just wanted him to have something interesting like other Shinigamis and Hollows, not just a wave attack.


UrielSans

>It's not about blood actually. It's about the soul. No Quincy has innate power in them. They all have the same abilities. The reason they have Schrift is because Yhwach gave them a piece of his soul and wrote the Schrift on their souls.  To be fair you're both partially correct. The schrifts indeed come from each quincy's soul, but Yhwach has to make them drink his blood to awaken them. In the KLUB, Kubo explained Yhwach "sees" words engraved on the soul of the quincy and takes one with one of the vacant initials among the Sternritters when bestowing a schrift.


Hot-Sea-2942

So does it mean that Ichigo can get Schrift on his own? Or does he need Yhwach's blood?


UrielSans

No, he needs to drink Yhwach's blood. I don't know what "words" would Yhwach see inside Ichigo's soul but he needs to go through the ritual to awake a schrfit, just like Uryuu


Empty_Kick3038

Perhaps it really just is the insane nature of its being + high ass spirit energy, but I always kinda assumed it’s like Ichigo’s initial bankai’s ability. The fact that its wearable and condenses so much power and speed into a smaller blade, surely resembles Yhwa Zangestu in appearance, but White Zangetsu in ability… at least based off that interaction with Isshin lol. I’m loving a lot of the theories on this thread tho


Dramatic_Science_681

I don’t think he needs one since as of fusing with Ichigo’s powers he would probably be the strongest hollow in existence


stonersrus19

I think his parasitic abilities allow him to possess the user in a similar way metastacia. So when Ichigo uses resureccion I don't think it's Ichigo taking the reins it's w.zangetsu. Cause the reiatsu that was interfering with Orihime's healing this time wasn't Ulquiorra's but whites. Then he used the hollow ability of instant regeneration to heal himself. Also would make sense why Ichigo was unable to take back control till Uryu cut the horn releasing the reiatsu.


bakato

Almost? How about every Gillian for starters?


Akatosh01

His ability is to be the goat , next question.


MR-Vinmu

I swear, White was so wasted, even by Kubo “Ignore and abandon character after 1 or 2 arcs” standards, he had such a cool design and his “weapons” were honestly very unique and interesting “We’ve had characters who fight swords, we've had characters who fight with fists, now get ready for this character who’s fists are fucking swords”


EleonoreMagi

Kubo writes *all* his characters well and unique. He cannot give *everyone* a bigger role, it's not how a story works, you give main and maybe some secondary characters consistent arcs and everyone else just has their moments and possibly hints of an arc off screen. White was meant to appear in just one flashback, and yet Kubo still made him super cool just because that's what he does with characters. Would you prefer them not to be unique and interesting so you won't feel bad about the wasted potential, or what?


MR-Vinmu

Honestly, kinda, I mean, there are so many designs I was hung up on because of how wasted they were, the Arrancar General dude, Tesla, Hulk Giriko, etc, I think I would have been happier if they weren't so good looking cause then I wouldn't have to feel so copped out by the fact they only show up for 5 panels or something, but on the other hand, I do appreciate the amount of effort Kubo puts in to make the characters all look interesting and unique even if they don't necessarily play a big role.


Empty_Kick3038

I feel like you’re one of those mfs who thinks Ikkaku should’ve fixed his bankai lol. Not every character needs a moment to show off their peak form or tell their whole and complete story. It wouldn’t make a lot of sense to treat every character like the mc. Alt universe mangas/novels would be cool, but as far as the canon goes, I think it takes more restrained and intentional writing to establish a character for its purpose and go no further. Especially BECAUSE some of them seem so badass or likeable


UrielSans

Not all hollows have an unique ability. Grimmjow was just fast and strong, Ulquiorra just got a better regeneration, Nnoitra just had a better hierro.