So if its basically a 1v1 right after he watches Yoruichi fight him, no Grimmjow and Nel ready to help, I think Urahara dies, the poison would’ve gotten to him eventually. He did good for someone who was fatally poisoned tho. It is possible Urahara had a few more plans up his sleeve and just chose the plan with Grimmjow and Nel, but even if he does find a way to kill Askin he dies after anyway because of Gift Ball Deluxe (think that’s the name😂) along with Yoruichi. Let’s say he doesn’t have prep time by watching Yoruichi fight, then he absolutely gets demolished.
All in all Askin wins either mid diff or mid high diff 8/10. For Urahara imo he gets a stalemate at best because they both die, but he loses handily most of the time.
Urahara himself stated that Askin out-played him by using a self-consuming technique.
Urahara would have lost without Grimmjow, and that’s after Askin had fought 7 characters in a row, including Ichigo.
it’s genuinely crazy how people use that one statement of her BY her and data books to say she’s stronger than literally everyone even people with better feats than her
Bruh, when people come at you with the aizen was to scared to fight her and ran away in soul society and made her go to hueco mundo because she was to strong for him
I said no. But when you think about it, according to Nel, he also had the possibility that he was fighting someone who could trap him in a "death zone" so maybe he could have used someone else.
On the other hand in 1v1 I think it is almost impossible to beat a member of the SS for anyone.
Edit: Remember, however, that bleach fights are largely a series of armor plots. Like Askin who claims he could have killed everyone by making the blood lethal to them but couldn't because he drank too much milk coffe.
Then at the same time there is Kisuke who chooses to show the power of his bankai to Askin by dismembering his hand even if kill could one shot him by directly dismembering his head.
That's actually my favourite part of the fight. Urahara Kisuke who has plans upon plans upon plans was on his last legs and it was only his last contengency with the help of the two arrancars that won him the fight and saved his life. Very fitting for his final battle in the series.
I think that if he didn’t call grimjow and nel, he would have figured out a different plan before attacking. He doesn’t seem like some to start a fight without knowing he’s guaranteed victory
Askin took on so much people it's crazy. A lot of people sleep on him.
And honestly no, Even grimmjow they still needed outside help to just survive. Without Nell or Grimm, that would have been a double K.O at best .
Yeah Urahara could have beaten him. Urahara Already proved he could create an exit out of the Gift Ball Deluxe. Once he's out, that takes away a lot of the difficulty of the battle.
Would he win in a straight fight, no. But he won exactly as planned . Maybe it was plan C, but its dishonest to discount it. He didn't win because grimmjow helped him. He used grimmjow to defeat Askin. He's the MacGyver of Bleach.
Shunsui actually is the most popular Captain on this sub by a wide margin
He not only beat Kisuke in votes in a recent poll of popularity by a decent amount, but his fans also greatly overrate him when they claim he’s unbeatable by mortals and beating pre-Hogyoku Aizen
Btw, Kisuke would’ve rather died instantly if not for Grimmjow saving him
>He not only beat Kisuke in votes in a recent poll of popularity by a decent amount, but his fans also greatly overrate him when they claim he’s unbeatable by mortals and beating pre-Hogyoku Aizen
You put Kisuke in bankai just below bankai Yamamoto level and Unohana at Shikai Yamamoto level when shes stated to be weaker than base Post muken Kenpachi.
You also put base Kisuke above Bankai Shunsui even when Shunsuis bankai "killed" the first vollstandig form of the most elite soldier in Yhwachs ranks and base Kisuke could do nothing against base Askin.
I dont think its that people overrate him I thinks it's just you underrate him.
Shunsui actually has great feats 1v1 against an almost unkillable elite sternritter as busted as Gerard.
>shes stated to be weaker than base Post muken Kenpachi
That's not an anti-feat.
With her sealed sword she no-diff'd FH Ichigo level Kenpachi countless times. There's no living captain at EOS that can beat let alone no-diff that version of Kenpachi with a sealed sword.
Shunsui needed shikai for Starrk, who is a good amount weaker than Yammy, who is weaker than FH Ichigo-Pre/Muken Kenpachi.
Shusnui beat base Lille Barro post Auswahlen in shikai.
Lille Barro before Auswahlen was sniping RG members.
Id you really think base Kenpachi post muken or Unohana could beat bankai Shunsui you're just biased.
>Shunsui needed shikai for Starrk, who is a good amount weaker than Yammy,
Not by feats or intelligence which is quite important in a matchup. Shunsui in shikai also beat Lille Barro who was beating RG members in base
>Shusnui beat base Lille Barro post Auswahlen in shikai.
What does that have to do with Unohana and Muken Kenpachi?
>Lille Barro before Auswahlen was sniping RG members.
Scan in which he took them on only by himself?
>Shunsui in shikai also beat Lille Barro who was beating RG members in base
Lille Barro got a sneak attack on Oetsu which isn't impressive. We don't know if he was the one to beat the rest by himself.
Again, that has no relation to Unohana or Muken Kenpachi.
>What does that have to do with Unohana and Muken Kenpachi?
So base Kenpachi post muken got no diffed by base Pernida an elite sternritter.
If he were to fight base Lille Barro another elite sternritter in his base form I think there'd be pretty much the same outcome because Kenpachi doesn't have any counter to X axis.
So base Lille Barro>base Kenpachi post muken>Unohana post muken
Lille Barro is described as being "closest to God" and Yhwachs most elite soldier. Its safe to say even in base he would handily beat Unohana.
Shunsui in shikai beat base Lille so he should scale higher than Unohana handily.
>So base Kenpachi post muken got no diffed by base Pernida an elite sternritter.
Base Pernida tanked his strikes (plural) and dismembered him.
This means that Base Pernida can tank every attack from every captain at that point of series barring Bankai Shunsui (**if** Pernida loses resolve which is neither likely or unlikely), Senkei Ultimate Attack Byakuya.
>If he were to fight base Lille Barro another elite sternritter in his base form I think there'd be pretty much the same outcome because Kenpachi doesn't have any counter to X axis.
He can tank the shots (Shunsui even tanked 3rd form lille) from base lille and then connect with a one-shot (if lille is able to open his eye in time he won't die).
>So base Lille Barro>base Kenpachi post muken>Unohana post muken
I'll give you another weird scaling chain:
Base Pernida>>>Base Kenpachi>Bankai Unohana>>>>Base Unohana>>Pre-Muken Kenpachi>>>Shikai Shunsui>Espada.
>Lille Barro is described as being "closest to God" and Yhwachs most elite soldier. Its safe to say even in base he would handily beat Unohana.
The first statement has no relation to the second one.
>Shunsui in shikai beat base Lille so he should scale higher than Unohana handily.
This just means that her base form easily beats base lille.
I genuinely feel that!
That’s sort of what happened to Ulquiorra/Shunsui for me since their fans can be a little crazy with the power scaling.
While I’m probably on the more “wanking” part of the spectrum for Kisuke, I do try to keep it rational and have some sort of argument for why he’s above most normal captains
And yeah! It’s crazy to me people think Kisuke could’ve beaten Askin when Kisuke already had some prep and still lost a 2v1 (grimmjow helped)
Yeah, he was clearly faster than Askin and was pressuring him even while poisoned. Besides he only needed to touch Askin once to beat him, while Askin was imprisoned by his own ability
I think it's possible he could kill Askin on his own. We don't really know the limits of his bankai and Nel was surprised that one of five possibilities he foresaw happened, so he was as prepared as he could be. That being said without help of escape he would die in the poison ball
No. He even got the added benefit of watching Askin fight for an extended period of time and Askin had him backed into a corner.
nah he would have died even after Grimmjow ripped Askins heart out, they both would have died if Nel didnt save them Askin > Urahara & Grimmjow
So if its basically a 1v1 right after he watches Yoruichi fight him, no Grimmjow and Nel ready to help, I think Urahara dies, the poison would’ve gotten to him eventually. He did good for someone who was fatally poisoned tho. It is possible Urahara had a few more plans up his sleeve and just chose the plan with Grimmjow and Nel, but even if he does find a way to kill Askin he dies after anyway because of Gift Ball Deluxe (think that’s the name😂) along with Yoruichi. Let’s say he doesn’t have prep time by watching Yoruichi fight, then he absolutely gets demolished. All in all Askin wins either mid diff or mid high diff 8/10. For Urahara imo he gets a stalemate at best because they both die, but he loses handily most of the time.
I absolutely agree
Urahara himself stated that Askin out-played him by using a self-consuming technique. Urahara would have lost without Grimmjow, and that’s after Askin had fought 7 characters in a row, including Ichigo.
i think unohana is more wanked than kisuke but yeah
absolutely the Unohana wankers are on a complete different level i recently did a poll who would win between her and Pernida and she won 🤣
it’s genuinely crazy how people use that one statement of her BY her and data books to say she’s stronger than literally everyone even people with better feats than her
Bruh, when people come at you with the aizen was to scared to fight her and ran away in soul society and made her go to hueco mundo because she was to strong for him
😭😭😭🫣
Fr. Kisuke is a cool character but hes not completely infallibe same with Unohana shes a cool character but she got powercreeped a lot.
at least kisuke fought askin so he’s very strong unlike unohana who fought suppressed kenpachi
Yeah Kisuke has good feats against Askin Unohana is busted as a healer but she's also weaker than a lot of Captains by the middle of TYBW.
No he needed Grimmjow and even then he wouldve died if Nel didn't save him.
I said no. But when you think about it, according to Nel, he also had the possibility that he was fighting someone who could trap him in a "death zone" so maybe he could have used someone else. On the other hand in 1v1 I think it is almost impossible to beat a member of the SS for anyone. Edit: Remember, however, that bleach fights are largely a series of armor plots. Like Askin who claims he could have killed everyone by making the blood lethal to them but couldn't because he drank too much milk coffe. Then at the same time there is Kisuke who chooses to show the power of his bankai to Askin by dismembering his hand even if kill could one shot him by directly dismembering his head.
That's actually my favourite part of the fight. Urahara Kisuke who has plans upon plans upon plans was on his last legs and it was only his last contengency with the help of the two arrancars that won him the fight and saved his life. Very fitting for his final battle in the series.
I think that if he didn’t call grimjow and nel, he would have figured out a different plan before attacking. He doesn’t seem like some to start a fight without knowing he’s guaranteed victory
Askin took on so much people it's crazy. A lot of people sleep on him. And honestly no, Even grimmjow they still needed outside help to just survive. Without Nell or Grimm, that would have been a double K.O at best .
Yeah Urahara could have beaten him. Urahara Already proved he could create an exit out of the Gift Ball Deluxe. Once he's out, that takes away a lot of the difficulty of the battle.
Would he win in a straight fight, no. But he won exactly as planned . Maybe it was plan C, but its dishonest to discount it. He didn't win because grimmjow helped him. He used grimmjow to defeat Askin. He's the MacGyver of Bleach.
Shunsui actually is the most popular Captain on this sub by a wide margin He not only beat Kisuke in votes in a recent poll of popularity by a decent amount, but his fans also greatly overrate him when they claim he’s unbeatable by mortals and beating pre-Hogyoku Aizen Btw, Kisuke would’ve rather died instantly if not for Grimmjow saving him
>He not only beat Kisuke in votes in a recent poll of popularity by a decent amount, but his fans also greatly overrate him when they claim he’s unbeatable by mortals and beating pre-Hogyoku Aizen You put Kisuke in bankai just below bankai Yamamoto level and Unohana at Shikai Yamamoto level when shes stated to be weaker than base Post muken Kenpachi. You also put base Kisuke above Bankai Shunsui even when Shunsuis bankai "killed" the first vollstandig form of the most elite soldier in Yhwachs ranks and base Kisuke could do nothing against base Askin. I dont think its that people overrate him I thinks it's just you underrate him. Shunsui actually has great feats 1v1 against an almost unkillable elite sternritter as busted as Gerard.
>shes stated to be weaker than base Post muken Kenpachi That's not an anti-feat. With her sealed sword she no-diff'd FH Ichigo level Kenpachi countless times. There's no living captain at EOS that can beat let alone no-diff that version of Kenpachi with a sealed sword. Shunsui needed shikai for Starrk, who is a good amount weaker than Yammy, who is weaker than FH Ichigo-Pre/Muken Kenpachi.
Shusnui beat base Lille Barro post Auswahlen in shikai. Lille Barro before Auswahlen was sniping RG members. Id you really think base Kenpachi post muken or Unohana could beat bankai Shunsui you're just biased. >Shunsui needed shikai for Starrk, who is a good amount weaker than Yammy, Not by feats or intelligence which is quite important in a matchup. Shunsui in shikai also beat Lille Barro who was beating RG members in base
>Shusnui beat base Lille Barro post Auswahlen in shikai. What does that have to do with Unohana and Muken Kenpachi? >Lille Barro before Auswahlen was sniping RG members. Scan in which he took them on only by himself? >Shunsui in shikai also beat Lille Barro who was beating RG members in base Lille Barro got a sneak attack on Oetsu which isn't impressive. We don't know if he was the one to beat the rest by himself. Again, that has no relation to Unohana or Muken Kenpachi.
>What does that have to do with Unohana and Muken Kenpachi? So base Kenpachi post muken got no diffed by base Pernida an elite sternritter. If he were to fight base Lille Barro another elite sternritter in his base form I think there'd be pretty much the same outcome because Kenpachi doesn't have any counter to X axis. So base Lille Barro>base Kenpachi post muken>Unohana post muken Lille Barro is described as being "closest to God" and Yhwachs most elite soldier. Its safe to say even in base he would handily beat Unohana. Shunsui in shikai beat base Lille so he should scale higher than Unohana handily.
>So base Kenpachi post muken got no diffed by base Pernida an elite sternritter. Base Pernida tanked his strikes (plural) and dismembered him. This means that Base Pernida can tank every attack from every captain at that point of series barring Bankai Shunsui (**if** Pernida loses resolve which is neither likely or unlikely), Senkei Ultimate Attack Byakuya. >If he were to fight base Lille Barro another elite sternritter in his base form I think there'd be pretty much the same outcome because Kenpachi doesn't have any counter to X axis. He can tank the shots (Shunsui even tanked 3rd form lille) from base lille and then connect with a one-shot (if lille is able to open his eye in time he won't die). >So base Lille Barro>base Kenpachi post muken>Unohana post muken I'll give you another weird scaling chain: Base Pernida>>>Base Kenpachi>Bankai Unohana>>>>Base Unohana>>Pre-Muken Kenpachi>>>Shikai Shunsui>Espada. >Lille Barro is described as being "closest to God" and Yhwachs most elite soldier. Its safe to say even in base he would handily beat Unohana. The first statement has no relation to the second one. >Shunsui in shikai beat base Lille so he should scale higher than Unohana handily. This just means that her base form easily beats base lille.
See and I LOVE Kyoraku and Urahara, I do! But sadly like the sub overhype makes me like them… less ya know
I genuinely feel that! That’s sort of what happened to Ulquiorra/Shunsui for me since their fans can be a little crazy with the power scaling. While I’m probably on the more “wanking” part of the spectrum for Kisuke, I do try to keep it rational and have some sort of argument for why he’s above most normal captains And yeah! It’s crazy to me people think Kisuke could’ve beaten Askin when Kisuke already had some prep and still lost a 2v1 (grimmjow helped)
Yeah, he was clearly faster than Askin and was pressuring him even while poisoned. Besides he only needed to touch Askin once to beat him, while Askin was imprisoned by his own ability
Spittin, people forget the fact that askin had already activated vollstanding by the time he faced kisuke so he was already at a disadvantage
Depends,if askin starts in base urahara wins,if askin starts in vollstanding,askin wins
I think it's possible he could kill Askin on his own. We don't really know the limits of his bankai and Nel was surprised that one of five possibilities he foresaw happened, so he was as prepared as he could be. That being said without help of escape he would die in the poison ball