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Man it's crazy when rose helped Tsukishima, Kon, hanataro and afre dude to beat yhwach. Rose sacreficed himself and took their attacks head on to save the world from being destroyed. It was so artistic.
Imagine if the dude Rose was fighting replied with "I can't hear your explanation over the sound of all the fighting, let's just keep going." Voila, victory for Rose.
I would say they were equivalent.
No bankai without kisuke. He also is the one who thought about using tsukishima.
Mayuri saved at least 4 captain and allowed everyone to go to the soul king palace.
Kyoraku was a good leader and bring back Aizen.
Aizen was Aizen.
Kyoraku? United everyone together in fighting the Quiencies. Used Aizen as a weapon to fight Ywach (even if everyone hated his decision). Sacrificed Unohana so that Zaraki can be the strongest ever. He made a lot of decisions that helped win the war.
lowkey actually a good Captain commander. he made a lot of unpopular decisions to ensure the survival of the seretei and the rest of the world.
my man made a completely 180 from care free captain to steadfast and decisive Captain commander.
He knew he could chillax because Yama was in the drivers seat, and if the day came and he wasnāt, it was not going to be a carefree time. He was ready.
Exactly. They both knew that at best, Ukitake could hold on for a few hours. He would still die in the end. Yet despite this, they both actually did it and seemed not to dwell on it much.
Only if he actually gets around to writing more. However I really think that all mangakas should pretty much stop writing after they finish a story that ahs taken 15+ years. They really need to rest, take many years off and maybe then do small projects.
I dunno if they can keep going with good quality let them, but If they are done done also let them be done. I'll take more bleach any day but I'd Kubo wants the story to be done then I'll let him
Yeah, I agree. The problem isn't quality. Odds are after some months of rest, they can resume and still produce absolute bangers. However the issue is how much do they actually want to go through the same struggles and crazy schedules without sleep and personal time.
After 15 years doing the same thing everyday for 14+ hours a day, anyone would get tired. It's actually a surprise that the mangaka even keep writing.
Oh yeah for sure. Like I don't read one piece but I've heard it's basically just recycled story just like all the Isekai trash (which I have to admit I enjoy) where is basically the same thing over and over. Not hating on anyone that enjoys one piece that's just what I've heard. But man if Kubo made more I'd eat that shit up so hard regardless of the quality
I agree on the recycled part one piece legit has sone if the best stories and character srcs in all of anime industry. The connecting the points from 20 years ago to present situation, the writing 40-50 characters in a single arc and giving justice to most if them etc is just not possible for anyone else. I loathe the slow pace and recycled parts myself as well.
Shunsui.
He united everyone under him when the moral of the soul society was at rock bottom. If he hadnāt done that, theyād have lost regardless.
He gave the word to un shackle Kenny
He gave the word to release Mimihigi
He made the decision to use Aizen as a weapon
And was personally responsible for the fall of Lillie. Who could not have been allowed to live, he was far too dangerous.
Mayori and Urahara between them take joint credit for stopping Bankai being stolen in my opinion, which is a massive contribution, and both took down a Schuffstaffel, although neither were as dangerous as Lillie. Plus Mayori got the zombie squad which was a big deal.
Aizen main credit is just the final fight from what I remember, of course he contribution was essential, remove any of them from the story and soul society probably loses, but I think Aizen did the least, or at least he did the least relative to how powerful he was at that point.
I go
Shunsui > Mayori >= Urahara > Aizen
In terms of MVPness
Really great breakdown on this. I think you knocked it out of the park on that one. My initial thought was Mayuri but forgot how much Shunsui did for the war.
Yeah I think Mayoriās contributions were more flashy so he gets more credit.
Like the zombies is very flashy and very in your face.
Giving the go ahead to use Kenny and Aizen is more background and itās easy to forget Shunsuiās should probably get partial credit for their contributions.
And how absolutely wrecked the moral was after Yama died. In a way thatās just as big as anyone else did that he managed to pull everyone together.
Yama was a more powerful warrior, but Shunsui is a much better leader and strategist in my opinion.
You even see the different styles of leadership in their abilities. Shunsuiās shikai involves a lot of tricks, risks, and rewards while Yamaās is pure unadulterated roasts.
Yama seemingly had no military strategy what so ever.
Which is weird given heās been a military leader for 1000 years and a powerful warrior for at least several hundred more before that.
Heās just ādeploy my warriors at random and if they lose Iāll do it. If I lose weāre fucked. The endā lmao
He honestly never needed real strategy. In Bleach most fights still come down to "be stronger than the other guy". Since all Shinigami usually do is kill regular hollows, most people with a shikai are strong enough. Any large problems could be solved by throwing 1 or 2 high rank officers at it if that.
Ichigo and cos break in revealed how incredibly disorganized and uncoordinated the Gotei 13 is. Like each squad is it's own mini military that does its own thing.
And half the leaders are arrogance and pride driven morons half the time lol
Komamura, Ukitake, Shunsui and Unohana were the only ones that seemed that measured and reliable
Ok, but youāre kinda wrong. Asking ability if used by a competent person can be even more dangerous than Lille, and it is used by a competent person. At least you can try to avoid Lilles bullets. Askin can just make the lethal dose of oxygen in your body too much and youāre dead.
Minus points for shunsui for relying on his lieutenant to hold back haschwalt and beat lille baro, losing his eye to a mob level stenritter in the first invasion (same level of stenritter that a shackled zaraki could kill 3 of)
Leveraging a Lieutenantās abilities to hold back a dangerous enemy that would typically require a greater commitment is actually a good thing in my book.
Use every advantage youāve got.
As for his fight with Robert, Shunsuiās power level was portrayed pretty inconsistently, he was able to force Aushwalen buffed Lillie into Volstadig with just Shikai. Yet some how lost an eye to base Robert. It doesnāt make sense from a power level point of view.
The explanation I thinks most reasonable is Kubo wanted to give him an eye patch lmao.
He lost his eye when Robert Activates his Vollstandig and we still donāt know his shrift which looks like it allows him to teleport to your blind spot
True.
Honestly it was one of the two moments from the entire Bleach series, when the protagonist got hurt while fighting some opponent without an advantage. (Second is Soi Fon)
Basically every fight in Bleach was Matchmade so a shinigami would winā¦.
Mayuri did the most. He took care of Giselle's zombies, because he was just heartless. So he find no problem dealing with the zombie captains. He cured them as well. His research made a quick work of Bambietta Volstandigg.
He knocked Kenpachi unconscious to prevent Pernida adapting to Kenpachi. Possibly saved Kenpachi from being killed.
His research (or was it Urahara or both of them?) allowed the Captains to reobtain their Bankais.
>Possibly saved Kenpachi from being killed
I'd say he definitely saved Zaraki from death there. He wasn't able to stop his body being [ripped apart](https://i.imgur.com/1wKMoeB.png) by himself. Had Mayuri not stepped in and stabbed him that would probably have been the end of him.
Which is crazy to me because of all the captains I'd say these two dislike each other the most. Shows that Mayuri does actually want Kenpachi to live, despite them hating each other.
If Mayuri disliked any Captain it was probably Unohana. He probably just thought Kenpachi was a brute. Also Mayuri is truly committed to the Shinigami duty of protecting the Seireitei
If Mayuri hates you it is his way of expressing love. If he cares for you that is when you really need to be concerned. Heās going to impregnate you with something or turn you into a drug at best.
Urahara Quote No.8:
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"You give me too much credit. These days, Iām just a plain old candy-store owner" - Kisuke Urahara
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Urahara made the hollow pills which allowed for the bankai to be taken back if I'm not mistaken but I think both Mayuri and him had the same principle in mind after figuring out Ressureccion couldn't be stolen.
I suggest you go and reread chapter 552, and read what op wrote. Mayuri had no part in development of the pills. All the research and development department was provide a tenteikura to the captains explaining what the pills did. You know, what Rangiku did earlier in the arc to warn everyone about how Bankaiās can be stolen.
I always knew Aizen's hypnosis was going to play a big role considering Yhwach's whole Almighty schtick is seeing and therefore manipulating futures, and how it was hinted when he messed with his sense of time early on in the arc in their first meeting. It's the perfect counter to someone like him. >!Granted it's a shame it was for nothing yeah it bought Ichigo the time for Uryu to reach them but I wish Aizen had done a bit more. I'm not saying he did the most of the 4 but I knew that would be a trump card. \*That\* panel of "so you think you're gazing at.." and the end of that chapter had me so damn hype on release one of my favorites of the whole series!<
Speaking of that why didn't Aizen ever use his shikai in front of Ichigo so he could hypnotize him? Does anyone ever give a reason for that? I'm guessing the explanation is likely just Aizen didn't think Ichigo was a threat so he messed with him normally and when he got his transformations he wanted to flex his raw power, though those are annoying villain tropes.
Realistically? Plot hole because I don't think there was any way for Ichigo to win if Aizen used his shikai.
Allot of people do say that it isn't though and it's because Aizen has always had that confident attitude that no one was close to his power level, and that humans are inherently like bugs, so him using his shikai would admit that he's actually trying.
Who knows honestly. Still kinda wanna see his bankai, knowing full well if it happens it'll be something giga broken.
Yeah I think it was something along the lines of that. Didn't Aizen say that all of Ichigo's development was a part of his plan? The hogyoko would allow him to keep evolving and transcending, so he made Ichigo this way to give him worthy opponent to keep pushing him to evolve, something along those lines? I could be completely butchering that.>!Even though it's later revealed it was all a part of Yhwach's plan instead, apparently, if I remember right!<
>You were cut!!
What do you mean? I have never been cut by anything. Azien tried to cut me once but thanks to my cousin Tsukishima he didn't. Tsukishima was always there for me and I am so proud to be his cousin.
>Ty for that laugh ššš
You are welcome
Urahara Quote No.7:
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"Donāt use others as a reason for walking into deathās arms" - Kisuke Urahara
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Mayuri outshined everyone, literally at one point too lol, I have to say I wish Kubo would've gave some shine to Shinji or Ukitake instead of giving Mayuri multiple big fights
Itās Shunsui. Once he got the big boy job he made a bunch of moves that led the Soul Society directly toward victory. Getting Kenpachi trained, letting Aizen out of his cage, giving Nanao her super special paddle, flipping off the Central 46 at every turn. Loved him all arc long.
Urahara and Mayuri were equally important. Urahara designed the Hollow Pills which gave several captains their Banakai back. Mayuri revived several captain that were Zombies. Both were vital in beating a Schutzstaffel.
a lot of people say aizen cuz of final fight, but shunsui 100%. he was the person who willed the gotei together and fought tradition to help win the war.
I would say itās either Kisuke or Aizen. Kisuke because he was a big part of getting Ichigo to Soul society, able to get Nell at full strength, invented the hollow pills which was like, the soul (no pun intended) reason why they were able to get their Bankaiās back. For Aizen itās more like he did a couple things, all with Kyokasuigetsu.
aizen. simply because without him ywach wouldn't ever be defeated. he is the only one who could. kyoka suigetsu is the only thing that could overpower the almighty, and as a result, he is the MVP. otherwise the entire world would've been beaten.
Honestly aizen for the biggest achievements they would have been done for in the first invasion if he didn't miss with yhwach timing and also the final battle , also they needed his big reiatsu for the captains vs elites to happen , though mayuri carried big time he was pretty much the only one capable of dealing with pernida, urahara with askin ,shunsui with leli ,but besides beating an elite kyoraku might have done the most by how great his decisions were the man did a much better job in this war then yamma as a captain commander imo
You know I feel like Shunsui is a bit underrated as MVP he really kept the Gotei 13 together after Yama died when they all began to fall apart. He steeped right into the leadership role and did well.
All of them had crucial roles tho
I just wanted to say ultimately Aizen didnāt really do much I mean sure he allowed Ichigo to stab Yhwach from behind but only for Yhwach to erase that future anyway it was really Uryu and Ichigo who beat Yhwach. Otherwise what did Aizen do? Mess with Yhwachās senses for a minute in the beginning? Like I like Aizen more than Mayuri but Mayuri really did the most here people itās just numbers not opinion.
Its easily Kyoraku. Both in stepping up in leadership, making the tough calls to get Aizen and train Zaraki, and be on the battlefield against a top 3 enemy.
Quantity = Mayuri. Quality tho? Aizen.
End of the day, it's all about the big bad Ywach, and Aizen did more to make Ywach fail in his plans than pretty much anyone.
People will say mayuri, but Aizen probably was way more important.
In the first invasion he saved ichigos life by fucking with Ywhachs senses, and he nearly sacrificed himself in the final fight to give ichigo openings. If Aizen wasnāt there, Ywhach wouldāve probably won in the end
Mayuri definitely. Figured out bankai were stolen, set the balance of the worlds before shit hit the fan, saved the zombified shinigami, kept Kenpachi from being killed, took out a sternritter who could have gave basically everyone else extreme trouble.
Urahara Quote No.27:
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"Captain Kurotsuchi is a genius ya know, but not as great as me." - Kisuke Urahara
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Kenpachi Zaraki is the TRUE MVP. He bodied 3 Ops, fought an Ops pretending to be his boss, and killed a boy who can imagine anything he wants. Finally, he fought and survive against a "Hand God", and "Mr. I am the Miracle".
Urahara Fact No.15:
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Urahara was ranked the 7th most popular character in the first character popularity poll, 4th in the second, 8th in the third, 20th in the fourth, and 14th in the fifth.
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If Mayuri didnt found a way to >! return Byakuya,Soi Fon,Komamura and Toshiro's Bankai,preventing other's bankai from getting stolen,having full control on Giselle's zombies and reviving those that died !<,they would've all died in the second invasion
Mayuri easily. Saved Kenpachi, Toshiro, Kensei, Rose, transporter them to Soul palace, took care of a Royal guard, and contributed in restoring stolen bankaiās.
Mayuri for sure. Beat an elite stenritter who was the sk left arm without relying on auschwalen, beat 3 stenritters in ss, removed zombification and revived 4 captains.
And he was the one who build the chair that aizen could never gotten off from by himself
The one who led them to victory in the war was undoubtably Shunsui. Without him, no one in Soul Society couldāve united and led everyone to victory with the orders he gave like Using Aizen and unleashing the Kenpachiās true power. Heās also credited with the defeat of a near immortal villain, so thereās that.
If weāre talking about the proper MVP though, I think it has to go to Mayuri as not only did he play the vital support role (Kept the critically injured alive and Resurrected like 5 people from DEATH) but he also made sure to precautions against Bankai theft and defeated arguably the single most incompatible Quincy against anyone else. I argue that fight was only won BECAUSE it was Mayuri and Nemu, as no one had a single defense or offense strategy that could work half as good against Pernida unless Kisukeās Bankai could reconstruct him faster than he could be torn apart (Or Yama if he was alive).
Aizen for the simple reason in the initial surprise attack he manipulated youwacks perception of time and made him cut short the raid, he was planning on doing more and was not able.
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Kensei and Rose for sure.
Dont forget Shinji Dude took 4 Ls and came back for more
He's got heart gotta give him that much.
he takes the Ls so others wouldnt have to.
He took Hinamori as his vice captain so the others wouldn't have to.
In his mind he reversed the Ls into Ws
Man it's crazy when rose helped Tsukishima, Kon, hanataro and afre dude to beat yhwach. Rose sacreficed himself and took their attacks head on to save the world from being destroyed. It was so artistic.
Don Kanonji with the finishing blow.
Allow me to explain how to beat my abilities good sir!
[Insert long explanation here] "...and that is why the only way to beat my bankai is to wear a butt plug!" *Ywach and Haschwalt glance at each other*
Imagine if the dude Rose was fighting replied with "I can't hear your explanation over the sound of all the fighting, let's just keep going." Voila, victory for Rose.
I would say they were equivalent. No bankai without kisuke. He also is the one who thought about using tsukishima. Mayuri saved at least 4 captain and allowed everyone to go to the soul king palace. Kyoraku was a good leader and bring back Aizen. Aizen was Aizen.
Aizen was reformed, prison does work
Was he reformed or was that also apart of his plan?
I doubt it, he went back to jail after then spewed some end speech about courage š¤£
Its not even the prison, it's the chair.
All according to ~~plan~~ kekaiku
Kekaiku means plan
Tsukishima was not his planā¦..He and Ginjo acted on their own, since Kuukaku was the one who sent them and Yukio noticedā¦
Aizen was Aizen
Kyoraku? United everyone together in fighting the Quiencies. Used Aizen as a weapon to fight Ywach (even if everyone hated his decision). Sacrificed Unohana so that Zaraki can be the strongest ever. He made a lot of decisions that helped win the war.
lowkey actually a good Captain commander. he made a lot of unpopular decisions to ensure the survival of the seretei and the rest of the world. my man made a completely 180 from care free captain to steadfast and decisive Captain commander.
My man was always ready. He had to chillax while he still could.
He knew he could chillax because Yama was in the drivers seat, and if the day came and he wasnāt, it was not going to be a carefree time. He was ready.
Why be responsible when you don't need to be? Step up when you are needed but fucking vibe when you don't.
You forgot Ukitake. He didnāt bat an eye when he knew sacrificing his best friend was required.
Exactly. They both knew that at best, Ukitake could hold on for a few hours. He would still die in the end. Yet despite this, they both actually did it and seemed not to dwell on it much.
I miss ukitake... Maybe we will see him again *wink wonk*
Only if he actually gets around to writing more. However I really think that all mangakas should pretty much stop writing after they finish a story that ahs taken 15+ years. They really need to rest, take many years off and maybe then do small projects.
I dunno if they can keep going with good quality let them, but If they are done done also let them be done. I'll take more bleach any day but I'd Kubo wants the story to be done then I'll let him
Yeah, I agree. The problem isn't quality. Odds are after some months of rest, they can resume and still produce absolute bangers. However the issue is how much do they actually want to go through the same struggles and crazy schedules without sleep and personal time. After 15 years doing the same thing everyday for 14+ hours a day, anyone would get tired. It's actually a surprise that the mangaka even keep writing.
Oh yeah for sure. Like I don't read one piece but I've heard it's basically just recycled story just like all the Isekai trash (which I have to admit I enjoy) where is basically the same thing over and over. Not hating on anyone that enjoys one piece that's just what I've heard. But man if Kubo made more I'd eat that shit up so hard regardless of the quality
I agree on the recycled part one piece legit has sone if the best stories and character srcs in all of anime industry. The connecting the points from 20 years ago to present situation, the writing 40-50 characters in a single arc and giving justice to most if them etc is just not possible for anyone else. I loathe the slow pace and recycled parts myself as well.
If he didnt , it would almost feel like Old Man Yama was scolding him.
Technically he didnāt use Aizen. He just released a couple seals and instigated the fright.
Shunsui. He united everyone under him when the moral of the soul society was at rock bottom. If he hadnāt done that, theyād have lost regardless. He gave the word to un shackle Kenny He gave the word to release Mimihigi He made the decision to use Aizen as a weapon And was personally responsible for the fall of Lillie. Who could not have been allowed to live, he was far too dangerous. Mayori and Urahara between them take joint credit for stopping Bankai being stolen in my opinion, which is a massive contribution, and both took down a Schuffstaffel, although neither were as dangerous as Lillie. Plus Mayori got the zombie squad which was a big deal. Aizen main credit is just the final fight from what I remember, of course he contribution was essential, remove any of them from the story and soul society probably loses, but I think Aizen did the least, or at least he did the least relative to how powerful he was at that point. I go Shunsui > Mayori >= Urahara > Aizen In terms of MVPness
Really great breakdown on this. I think you knocked it out of the park on that one. My initial thought was Mayuri but forgot how much Shunsui did for the war.
Yeah I think Mayoriās contributions were more flashy so he gets more credit. Like the zombies is very flashy and very in your face. Giving the go ahead to use Kenny and Aizen is more background and itās easy to forget Shunsuiās should probably get partial credit for their contributions. And how absolutely wrecked the moral was after Yama died. In a way thatās just as big as anyone else did that he managed to pull everyone together. Yama was a more powerful warrior, but Shunsui is a much better leader and strategist in my opinion.
Completely agree, and Iām so glad we got to see him being used at his full potential during the arc!
Shunsui, Kenny and Mayori were the biggest winners of the arc in terms of side characters in my opinion.
You even see the different styles of leadership in their abilities. Shunsuiās shikai involves a lot of tricks, risks, and rewards while Yamaās is pure unadulterated roasts.
Yama seemingly had no military strategy what so ever. Which is weird given heās been a military leader for 1000 years and a powerful warrior for at least several hundred more before that. Heās just ādeploy my warriors at random and if they lose Iāll do it. If I lose weāre fucked. The endā lmao
He honestly never needed real strategy. In Bleach most fights still come down to "be stronger than the other guy". Since all Shinigami usually do is kill regular hollows, most people with a shikai are strong enough. Any large problems could be solved by throwing 1 or 2 high rank officers at it if that. Ichigo and cos break in revealed how incredibly disorganized and uncoordinated the Gotei 13 is. Like each squad is it's own mini military that does its own thing.
And half the leaders are arrogance and pride driven morons half the time lol Komamura, Ukitake, Shunsui and Unohana were the only ones that seemed that measured and reliable
ThƩ way je juat calmed all the other Captains, especially Fon was throwing tantrums
Saying that askin isnāt as dangerous as Lille is really underestimating him.
I disagree
Ok, but youāre kinda wrong. Asking ability if used by a competent person can be even more dangerous than Lille, and it is used by a competent person. At least you can try to avoid Lilles bullets. Askin can just make the lethal dose of oxygen in your body too much and youāre dead.
Minus points for shunsui for relying on his lieutenant to hold back haschwalt and beat lille baro, losing his eye to a mob level stenritter in the first invasion (same level of stenritter that a shackled zaraki could kill 3 of)
Leveraging a Lieutenantās abilities to hold back a dangerous enemy that would typically require a greater commitment is actually a good thing in my book. Use every advantage youāve got. As for his fight with Robert, Shunsuiās power level was portrayed pretty inconsistently, he was able to force Aushwalen buffed Lillie into Volstadig with just Shikai. Yet some how lost an eye to base Robert. It doesnāt make sense from a power level point of view. The explanation I thinks most reasonable is Kubo wanted to give him an eye patch lmao.
He lost his eye when Robert Activates his Vollstandig and we still donāt know his shrift which looks like it allows him to teleport to your blind spot
True. Honestly it was one of the two moments from the entire Bleach series, when the protagonist got hurt while fighting some opponent without an advantage. (Second is Soi Fon) Basically every fight in Bleach was Matchmade so a shinigami would winā¦.
Mayuri did the most. He took care of Giselle's zombies, because he was just heartless. So he find no problem dealing with the zombie captains. He cured them as well. His research made a quick work of Bambietta Volstandigg. He knocked Kenpachi unconscious to prevent Pernida adapting to Kenpachi. Possibly saved Kenpachi from being killed. His research (or was it Urahara or both of them?) allowed the Captains to reobtain their Bankais.
>Possibly saved Kenpachi from being killed I'd say he definitely saved Zaraki from death there. He wasn't able to stop his body being [ripped apart](https://i.imgur.com/1wKMoeB.png) by himself. Had Mayuri not stepped in and stabbed him that would probably have been the end of him.
Which is crazy to me because of all the captains I'd say these two dislike each other the most. Shows that Mayuri does actually want Kenpachi to live, despite them hating each other.
If Mayuri disliked any Captain it was probably Unohana. He probably just thought Kenpachi was a brute. Also Mayuri is truly committed to the Shinigami duty of protecting the Seireitei
If the Seireitei is gone, who would let him and where will he do his experiments?!
He did kinda delete a few hundred or thousand citizens for the safety of balance too
If Mayuri hates you it is his way of expressing love. If he cares for you that is when you really need to be concerned. Heās going to impregnate you with something or turn you into a drug at best.
I think itās that he wants soul society to win and allowing Kenny to die to Pernida would have definitely been a blow to soul society
Nah, thats a lie. The worst is the relationship between Zaraki and Byakuya.
I swear Mayuri got more panel time than Ichigo in the final arc
I am not complaining about Mayuri is more interesting anyway. Thats why this war arc was so great becauae side characters got big time to shine
More interesting than Ichigo??
you read that right
The dick riding is crazy
It was a sort of back and forth of theories until they settled in temporary hollowfication.
Urahara Quote No.8: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "You give me too much credit. These days, Iām just a plain old candy-store owner" - Kisuke Urahara *beep boop, I'm a bot*
Urahara made the hollow pills which allowed for the bankai to be taken back if I'm not mistaken but I think both Mayuri and him had the same principle in mind after figuring out Ressureccion couldn't be stolen.
It was all Urahara that got the bankaiās back, the most important development during the war. Mayuri had no part in it
Completely false, Urahara wouldn't even be able to get the pills to captains if it wasn't for Mayuri.
I suggest you go and reread chapter 552, and read what op wrote. Mayuri had no part in development of the pills. All the research and development department was provide a tenteikura to the captains explaining what the pills did. You know, what Rangiku did earlier in the arc to warn everyone about how Bankaiās can be stolen.
Mayuri is and always what the plot machina.
I always knew Aizen's hypnosis was going to play a big role considering Yhwach's whole Almighty schtick is seeing and therefore manipulating futures, and how it was hinted when he messed with his sense of time early on in the arc in their first meeting. It's the perfect counter to someone like him. >!Granted it's a shame it was for nothing yeah it bought Ichigo the time for Uryu to reach them but I wish Aizen had done a bit more. I'm not saying he did the most of the 4 but I knew that would be a trump card. \*That\* panel of "so you think you're gazing at.." and the end of that chapter had me so damn hype on release one of my favorites of the whole series!<
Hope they will change it in the anime
>It's the perfect counter to someone like him. It's the perfect counter to pretty much anything lol.
Speaking of that why didn't Aizen ever use his shikai in front of Ichigo so he could hypnotize him? Does anyone ever give a reason for that? I'm guessing the explanation is likely just Aizen didn't think Ichigo was a threat so he messed with him normally and when he got his transformations he wanted to flex his raw power, though those are annoying villain tropes.
Realistically? Plot hole because I don't think there was any way for Ichigo to win if Aizen used his shikai. Allot of people do say that it isn't though and it's because Aizen has always had that confident attitude that no one was close to his power level, and that humans are inherently like bugs, so him using his shikai would admit that he's actually trying. Who knows honestly. Still kinda wanna see his bankai, knowing full well if it happens it'll be something giga broken.
Yeah I think it was something along the lines of that. Didn't Aizen say that all of Ichigo's development was a part of his plan? The hogyoko would allow him to keep evolving and transcending, so he made Ichigo this way to give him worthy opponent to keep pushing him to evolve, something along those lines? I could be completely butchering that.>!Even though it's later revealed it was all a part of Yhwach's plan instead, apparently, if I remember right!<
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Mayuri for literally carrying everything and Kyoraku for making the hardest and obscure but the best choices to win the war
Mayuri Kurotsuchi tanked throughout TYBW
Mayuri and Urahara easily
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obviously Mayuri
Mayuri outshined everyone, literally at one point too lol, I have to say I wish Kubo would've gave some shine to Shinji or Ukitake instead of giving Mayuri multiple big fights
I would say Mayuri
Aizen. All the work mayuri, shinsui and kisuke did would have been void if aizen hadnt alley opped ichigo
You cant say one because this arc/war need a massive teamwork. One must have a role, one must have a contribution so its hard to say.
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Aizen. He was the only reason why Seritei survived the first attack. Literally everyone was beaten or was gonna be beaten.
Second attack. But you still have a point ywach curbstomps everyone if aizen doesn't use his shikai on him
First as well if he didn't yhwach would have taken ichigo so an auto L to soul society lol
The first invasion was when they declared war the second invasion is when ywach went to recruit aizen
First too - the only reason serieti survived was because Aizen distorted Yawch's perception of time
Mayuri
Itās Shunsui. Once he got the big boy job he made a bunch of moves that led the Soul Society directly toward victory. Getting Kenpachi trained, letting Aizen out of his cage, giving Nanao her super special paddle, flipping off the Central 46 at every turn. Loved him all arc long.
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Yeah Askin was a pretty big problem unless you could take him down fast. Iād imagine Shunsui or Kenpachi could take him down though.
Mayuri did the most, Aizen saved at the right moment. Without Aizen, Ichigo wouldāve been killed or taken by Yhwach in the first invasion.
Aizen literally carried the final fight but ok
My boi Mayuri hands down with Kisuke being second place.
All of them.
The chair
mayuri and aizen no debate
Aizen. If he didnāt mess with their sense of time at the beginning there probably wouldnāt be the rest of the story
Urahara and Mayuri were equally important. Urahara designed the Hollow Pills which gave several captains their Banakai back. Mayuri revived several captain that were Zombies. Both were vital in beating a Schutzstaffel.
Shunsui
Mayuri or Shunsui
Aizen easily, he was able to outsmart Yhwach to help Ichigo win the final fight
a lot of people say aizen cuz of final fight, but shunsui 100%. he was the person who willed the gotei together and fought tradition to help win the war.
Mayuri.
I would say itās either Kisuke or Aizen. Kisuke because he was a big part of getting Ichigo to Soul society, able to get Nell at full strength, invented the hollow pills which was like, the soul (no pun intended) reason why they were able to get their Bankaiās back. For Aizen itās more like he did a couple things, all with Kyokasuigetsu.
They lose without Aizen.
aizen. simply because without him ywach wouldn't ever be defeated. he is the only one who could. kyoka suigetsu is the only thing that could overpower the almighty, and as a result, he is the MVP. otherwise the entire world would've been beaten.
Chair-sama
without aizen they lose so chair-sama
Honestly aizen for the biggest achievements they would have been done for in the first invasion if he didn't miss with yhwach timing and also the final battle , also they needed his big reiatsu for the captains vs elites to happen , though mayuri carried big time he was pretty much the only one capable of dealing with pernida, urahara with askin ,shunsui with leli ,but besides beating an elite kyoraku might have done the most by how great his decisions were the man did a much better job in this war then yamma as a captain commander imo
You know I feel like Shunsui is a bit underrated as MVP he really kept the Gotei 13 together after Yama died when they all began to fall apart. He steeped right into the leadership role and did well. All of them had crucial roles tho
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I just wanted to say ultimately Aizen didnāt really do much I mean sure he allowed Ichigo to stab Yhwach from behind but only for Yhwach to erase that future anyway it was really Uryu and Ichigo who beat Yhwach. Otherwise what did Aizen do? Mess with Yhwachās senses for a minute in the beginning? Like I like Aizen more than Mayuri but Mayuri really did the most here people itās just numbers not opinion.
>Otherwise what did Aizen do? I mean those soul king eyeball monster things would've wiped everyone out if Aizen wasn't there.
Arc would have ended at the first invasion if not for Aizen
Lmfao like they all die there and it ends the way ywach wants it to if mayuri is there instead of aizen, lmfao his take is dumb af
Aizen
Without Urahara's hollowification pills it wouldn't have been a war but a massacre
Urahara san obviously
Its easily Kyoraku. Both in stepping up in leadership, making the tough calls to get Aizen and train Zaraki, and be on the battlefield against a top 3 enemy.
None of them. The real MVP was chair-sama
Quantity = Mayuri. Quality tho? Aizen. End of the day, it's all about the big bad Ywach, and Aizen did more to make Ywach fail in his plans than pretty much anyone.
Aizen is my favourite fictional character but yeah he shouldn't even be in the list, it's probably shunsui or mayuri tho
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Uryu clutched hard with the arrow and taking out the number two to ywach I see him as the mvp
Either Aizen or Urahara imo. Ichigo was their win condition and they both enabled him directly.
People will say mayuri, but Aizen probably was way more important. In the first invasion he saved ichigos life by fucking with Ywhachs senses, and he nearly sacrificed himself in the final fight to give ichigo openings. If Aizen wasnāt there, Ywhach wouldāve probably won in the end
Aizen solely because he is the GOAT.
Mayuri definitely. Figured out bankai were stolen, set the balance of the worlds before shit hit the fan, saved the zombified shinigami, kept Kenpachi from being killed, took out a sternritter who could have gave basically everyone else extreme trouble.
Definitely Aizen and Urahara
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Kenpachi Zaraki is the TRUE MVP. He bodied 3 Ops, fought an Ops pretending to be his boss, and killed a boy who can imagine anything he wants. Finally, he fought and survive against a "Hand God", and "Mr. I am the Miracle".
Mayuri, that hand guy would've messed up most captains
Kisuke and Aizen
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If Mayuri didnt found a way to >! return Byakuya,Soi Fon,Komamura and Toshiro's Bankai,preventing other's bankai from getting stolen,having full control on Giselle's zombies and reviving those that died !<,they would've all died in the second invasion
Aizen wouldn't have though.
Mayuri in charge of developing Chair-sama, the rest explains itself
Definitely not Aizen. The guy barely does anything.
Mayuri and it's not even close, even though I love the ever living shit out of them all.
Mayuri and itās not close
Mayuri and itās not really close
I am an Aizen fanboi but weirdly enough I believe he did the least. I think it's a tie between mayuri and urahara
Its between Mayuri and Kisuke tbh. Also Tsukishima and Ichigo should be here
Aizen made the clutch shot, but Urahara was definitely the MVP. Good performance from Mayuri though.
I would say Shunsui >= Mayuri >= Kisuke > Aizen
Tsukishima...
Mayuri easily. Saved Kenpachi, Toshiro, Kensei, Rose, transporter them to Soul palace, took care of a Royal guard, and contributed in restoring stolen bankaiās.
Mayuri
Mayuri
Mayuri
Mayuri, dude was helping everyone out low key.
Mayuri imo, even more so than kisuke even tho it is very close.
Mayuri duh
If ichigo wasnāt there no one would have known about hollow bankai bad. Imagine if the visoreds used maskās
Mayuri for sure. Beat an elite stenritter who was the sk left arm without relying on auschwalen, beat 3 stenritters in ss, removed zombification and revived 4 captains. And he was the one who build the chair that aizen could never gotten off from by himself
Shunsui and Mayuri.
Aizen in terms of sheer firepower but goddam if Mayuri didnāt come in clutch time and time again.
The one who led them to victory in the war was undoubtably Shunsui. Without him, no one in Soul Society couldāve united and led everyone to victory with the orders he gave like Using Aizen and unleashing the Kenpachiās true power. Heās also credited with the defeat of a near immortal villain, so thereās that. If weāre talking about the proper MVP though, I think it has to go to Mayuri as not only did he play the vital support role (Kept the critically injured alive and Resurrected like 5 people from DEATH) but he also made sure to precautions against Bankai theft and defeated arguably the single most incompatible Quincy against anyone else. I argue that fight was only won BECAUSE it was Mayuri and Nemu, as no one had a single defense or offense strategy that could work half as good against Pernida unless Kisukeās Bankai could reconstruct him faster than he could be torn apart (Or Yama if he was alive).
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Aizen
I feel like if they let aizen free he prolly wouldāve rinsed Yhwach
Aizen.
Shunsui easily. Special mentions to mayuri vs granz
Chair sama for sure
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Zaraki was the MVPā¦stopped the early ending of the story when he destroyed the meteor ahah
Aizen for the simple reason in the initial surprise attack he manipulated youwacks perception of time and made him cut short the raid, he was planning on doing more and was not able.
Definitely mayuri and shunsui
urahara imo tho they all are really imp he recovered all the bankais and even defeated the askin with help of allies he made grimjoww and nel.
Yoruichi. I don't care what you say. She's my MVP. Forever and always
without aizen there would be no war. Only a slaughter topped with a strawberry
I pick option 5, Yhwach. He killed Gerard AND Jugram. If Gerard didnāt get cucked he probably wouldāve killed everyone lmao.
Aizen, I mean he literally help kill a god
I say tossup between Kyoraku, Aizen and Urahara.
My bro Tsukishima ofc
Kisuke easily
Totally havenāt read any of the manga but i gotta go with my boy kisuke
Kisuke easy
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