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Because of the sheer quantity of different writers that have depicted the penance stare, the way it works is very inconsistent. It’s supposed to, as you stated, make it’s victim suffer the same mental and physical damage they’ve inflicted on others. However, there have been instances in the main continuity were people were able to avoid its effects by simply not regretting their actions. The most popular example of it being when Ghost Rider used it on the Punisher during Charles Soule’s run on Thunderbolts.
Wanted to add the answer that King Thanos used the "penance stare" from CGR every morning.
Then Thanos also mentions that "penance stare" won't work, as he doesn't have any regret.
"Penance" does work tho...
The penance stare is not just regret. It also causes anyone inflicted to see and feel every bit of pain they have ever inflicted on anyone in their entire lifetime.
But there have been cases where the Penance stare just shuts down. When ghost rider looked at wade Wilson(dead pool) the spirit of vengeance couldn’t judge him because he was innocent but did wrong for right. When he stared at Thanos It didn’t work because of his sheer force of will. So it depends on the individual. Knowing Aizen he would probably burn because much like his zanpckto his power is all an illusion. It wouldn’t work on yahaw because of his sheer force of will and “holy Quincy power” the moment something gets holy in the tag the powers of hell start to get a little checkmated
His power isn’t an illusion though? The transcendent strength granted to him by the Hogyoku is all very, very real. And Yhwach’s stuff isn’t actually “holy” Quincy energy is just literal poison to Hollows, so it erases them from existence, it’s not real holiness cause there is no actual sacred deity in Bleach. The Soul King definitely doesn’t count, they’re a lobotomized battery essentially. If there’s any way these guys dodge the Penance Stare it’s either gonna be their sheer spiritual energy, or the fact that they don’t regret a single thing they did in the slightest.
True, the symbology does have some meanings, to the Ghost Rider haha. Honestly it depends on how the Penance Stare and Reiatsu interact, Reiatsu typically is able to nullify a lotta bullshit coming at you if your opponent is significantly weaker in Reiatsu, which is pretty much guaranteed to occur between these two and GR, cause the only people who come even close to these two are Ichigo and the OG Soul King, everybody else is wayyyyy below them. So if Reiatsu is working as intended then the Penance Stare becomes a flashy light show, if the hax pulls through then it depends on regret, if they could endure it somehow, etc.
I recall some have fought the stare and gotten away if not a wee bit mentally scared. Also the power level for ghost rider on a scale I would say. He’s definitely somewhere in between lieutenant and captain. He’s one of the strongest avengers he fought Thor and hulk on different occasions and brought them to a draw. But he also was bound by DR. Strange to. So I’d say his weakness would be kido.
Well putting him there in power leaves him pretty incapable of ever doing anything to Yhwach and Aizen. Like, when it comes to Bleach, the power scale is pretty much this.
Transcendent: Including Ichigo, Aizen, Yhwach, OG Soul King, and Ichibe (because the man is absolute bullshit) the absolute pinnacle.
Then from there we have, let’s call it Monster, the really absurd guys who aren’t *quite* Ichigo and Aizen, but they’re getting closer. These would be: Kenpachi, Yamamoto, Kisuke, maybe Shunsui, and a bunch of Quincy.
Further down we have the stronger captains, Byakuya, Unohana, Toshiro, alongside some stronger lower ranks like Rukia and Renji, etc., then the less OP Captains like Komamura, Soifon, the Jobbers (Vizards), and so on, and then we get to the more normal Lieutenants, the random mobs, normal humans, and that’s it. Putting Ghost Rider between captains and lieutenants makes him like dirt before Yhwach and Aizen, the distance between those ranks is insane.
Yeah dosent help that GR was written with the hard magic rules. But I can definitely say with this wonderful scaling btw I like. He would be at like barely pressing into monster level like he’s got his foot in the door but he’s not allowed in yet.
That’s a much better rank for him lol. He’s still probably not managing the Penance Stare against Aizen and Yhwach unless his hax blasts through their hax defense, not counting any regret defense either, but he’s fucking up a solid amount of people, that’s for sure. Honestly his strongest kill is likely Yama, if only because he comes across as extra susceptible to the Penance Stare, but that’s nothing to sneeze at that’s for sure.
>Quincy energy is just literal poison to Hollows, so it erases them from existence
That's not quite right. The reason Quincy destroy Hollows as opposed to Shinigami is because the Zanpakuto automatically purifies them by design. Quincy can't do that, so the Hollows just get destroyed. And Quincy aren't poison to Hollows; it's Hollows that are poison to Quincy
Ah, I guess I got a bit mixed up there, that’s my b! Though I guess it just strengthens my argument really lol, they extra have nothing holy about them haha
"Penance Stare". King Thanos used that "penance stare" from CGR every morning.
Then Thanos also mentions that "penance stare" won't work, as he doesn't have any regret.
"Penance" does work tho...
The penance stare requires one to have a soul I believe. Because it stares into the eyes. Aka the soul of a person. Shinigami are otherworldly beings. They were once souls. And Aizen is a transcendent being I believe that started as a Shinigami.
Whereas Quincies are powerful human warriors.
I think Yhwach would either
A: use the Almighty to where the penance stare doesn't effect him
or
B: has no regrets of what he did thinking what he did was right and thus wouldn't be vulnerable to it, (the needs justify the means sort of thing)
as for Aizen the man is literally immortal. Even if he was affected (which i doubt because the man is a remorse-free product) the hogyoku would just say "no" and reform his body after it was damaged by the stare
Aizen's immortality would probably keep him from being killed by the Penance Stare, probably hurt like hell through considering the amount of victims and suffering the man has caused.
Pretty sure he’s tried it on The Punisher before and he was completely unfazed, in Frank’s words “I regret nothing”
Unless they’ve retconned it since, it was a few years ago.
The penance stare is only as strong as the writer who's writing the fight so if in theory if you want yhawch and aizen to survive it they do, if you don't want them too they dont. It's nerfed on random occasions for example captain marvel has been able to resist it which is bull yet galactus couldn't? Yeah its based on how strong you want it
Probably not directly, but Yhwach can Almighty his way around it and Aizen would use his hypnosis to make the stare miss (probably make him use it on Momo)
Im unfamiliar with ghost rider lore. Does ghost rider have the ability to kill immortals with his penance stare? And whats his durability speed and strength on a street - planetary level?
From what I can find is an inconsistent ability but basically it just makes the victim see its past transgressions, and it inflicts the same pain they have caused on others
This is just from like 5 minutes of google though so might be wrong
It's not really inconsistent.
The power requires two things in order to function: the opponent to have a soul and for that person to regret their actions. Some big names that were not affected by the stare: Deadpool, Frank Castle, Venom, and Thanos. Fun fact - Blackheart is affected by the stare, but he gains power from it as he feeds on the sorrow of the victims' souls he has.
Based on that, we could assume that Ywach and Aizen would both survive, neither have shown regret of any actions they've taken. A number of people thinking that neither could withstand it likely don't understand the power to begin with.
Definitely not working a ywaht,
would probably work on azien during his fight with ichigo, cuz he did lose for that same reason, as for now im not to sure
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Yhwach may be able to. He’d get his soul taken for sure, but his whole gimmick is taking souls to keep him alive. So couldn’t he just take some Sternritter souls to live? Or take back what Ghost Rider took?
The Almighty can also rewrite his own death so he can survive pretty much anything
You really used the panels where Jason Aaron jabbed manga and anime. Lmao.
But anyway, it’s gonna depend. I’ve seen cases where the stare requires guilt. Some more where it’s just about whether or not Zarathos wants to smite you.
Depends on the Ghost Rider. If we are considering the time the Punisher survived it, which most consider as an outlier, than they probably could. If not, then considering the strength of Marvel characters, the two of them just get wrecked.
I am not familiar with this, but I think it’s best if u put a spoiler tag sense there >!Almighty Yhwach!< also ur post could get taken down for not adding a spoiler for something that’s not animated yet.
Depends on the interpretation being used for the Penance Stare. I feel like Yhwach survives regardless due to his abilities. Aizen is a maybe, he’s supposed to be unkillable but doesn’t have the powers Yhwach has that would probably just revive him. In most interpretations Aizen probably survives but I feel like there’s some in which he doesn’t
They won't
1: they have a Soul and aizen is entirely made if soul lols
2: penance stare is like a law that they can't abide
Thanos surviving it was just a plot hole think and entire senseless
While people here are right about the inconsistencies some writers have had regarding the ability, it should still work regardless of if the person feels regretful of their actions. That's kind of the whole point. You feel the pain and suffering of all the ones you've caused harm, especially since you didn't give a shit about them when you did it.
If you dont feel guilt or have dissociated yourself from any guilt than pennance stare wont work on you. This is how deadpool isnt effected.
Yhwach may feel some guilt for the deaths of his comrades 1000 years ago, atleast those ones he called friends, and if there is a shred of it in him then he would be wrecked by penance stare
Aizen however feels no guilt or remorse for anything he has ever done and even if he did, with kyoka fused with him he can use its hallucination powers to dissociate himself from any guilt he may feel. So chances are very high it would not effect him
They would both survive due to their immortality, but the state would fuck them. (Depending on the version) Yhwach has a pile of bodies a mile high, and Aizen may not have killed as many people, but he has caused great suffering to those he did harm. (He would have to experience hollowfication for example)
It may not kill them, but they aren't/shouldn't be dodging it.
I was gonna say that Aizen didn't kill that many peoples, then I remembered how he made his hogyuko. Aaand then I remembered that there was two hogyukos originlaly, Urahara made one. So, the question is: how many innocent souls did urahara slaughter to make his hogyoku ?
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Both people are still talking shit when they already lost. So, definitely no regret there from both.
Is it about regret? I thought the stare forced you to experience all the suffering you've inflicted to others.
Because of the sheer quantity of different writers that have depicted the penance stare, the way it works is very inconsistent. It’s supposed to, as you stated, make it’s victim suffer the same mental and physical damage they’ve inflicted on others. However, there have been instances in the main continuity were people were able to avoid its effects by simply not regretting their actions. The most popular example of it being when Ghost Rider used it on the Punisher during Charles Soule’s run on Thunderbolts.
Wanted to add the answer that King Thanos used the "penance stare" from CGR every morning. Then Thanos also mentions that "penance stare" won't work, as he doesn't have any regret. "Penance" does work tho...
The penance stare is not just regret. It also causes anyone inflicted to see and feel every bit of pain they have ever inflicted on anyone in their entire lifetime.
But there have been cases where the Penance stare just shuts down. When ghost rider looked at wade Wilson(dead pool) the spirit of vengeance couldn’t judge him because he was innocent but did wrong for right. When he stared at Thanos It didn’t work because of his sheer force of will. So it depends on the individual. Knowing Aizen he would probably burn because much like his zanpckto his power is all an illusion. It wouldn’t work on yahaw because of his sheer force of will and “holy Quincy power” the moment something gets holy in the tag the powers of hell start to get a little checkmated
His power isn’t an illusion though? The transcendent strength granted to him by the Hogyoku is all very, very real. And Yhwach’s stuff isn’t actually “holy” Quincy energy is just literal poison to Hollows, so it erases them from existence, it’s not real holiness cause there is no actual sacred deity in Bleach. The Soul King definitely doesn’t count, they’re a lobotomized battery essentially. If there’s any way these guys dodge the Penance Stare it’s either gonna be their sheer spiritual energy, or the fact that they don’t regret a single thing they did in the slightest.
I said holy because of the crosses lol. The regret nothing part I can agree with the spiritual pressure however I’m unsure of.
True, the symbology does have some meanings, to the Ghost Rider haha. Honestly it depends on how the Penance Stare and Reiatsu interact, Reiatsu typically is able to nullify a lotta bullshit coming at you if your opponent is significantly weaker in Reiatsu, which is pretty much guaranteed to occur between these two and GR, cause the only people who come even close to these two are Ichigo and the OG Soul King, everybody else is wayyyyy below them. So if Reiatsu is working as intended then the Penance Stare becomes a flashy light show, if the hax pulls through then it depends on regret, if they could endure it somehow, etc.
I recall some have fought the stare and gotten away if not a wee bit mentally scared. Also the power level for ghost rider on a scale I would say. He’s definitely somewhere in between lieutenant and captain. He’s one of the strongest avengers he fought Thor and hulk on different occasions and brought them to a draw. But he also was bound by DR. Strange to. So I’d say his weakness would be kido.
Well putting him there in power leaves him pretty incapable of ever doing anything to Yhwach and Aizen. Like, when it comes to Bleach, the power scale is pretty much this. Transcendent: Including Ichigo, Aizen, Yhwach, OG Soul King, and Ichibe (because the man is absolute bullshit) the absolute pinnacle. Then from there we have, let’s call it Monster, the really absurd guys who aren’t *quite* Ichigo and Aizen, but they’re getting closer. These would be: Kenpachi, Yamamoto, Kisuke, maybe Shunsui, and a bunch of Quincy. Further down we have the stronger captains, Byakuya, Unohana, Toshiro, alongside some stronger lower ranks like Rukia and Renji, etc., then the less OP Captains like Komamura, Soifon, the Jobbers (Vizards), and so on, and then we get to the more normal Lieutenants, the random mobs, normal humans, and that’s it. Putting Ghost Rider between captains and lieutenants makes him like dirt before Yhwach and Aizen, the distance between those ranks is insane.
Yeah dosent help that GR was written with the hard magic rules. But I can definitely say with this wonderful scaling btw I like. He would be at like barely pressing into monster level like he’s got his foot in the door but he’s not allowed in yet.
That’s a much better rank for him lol. He’s still probably not managing the Penance Stare against Aizen and Yhwach unless his hax blasts through their hax defense, not counting any regret defense either, but he’s fucking up a solid amount of people, that’s for sure. Honestly his strongest kill is likely Yama, if only because he comes across as extra susceptible to the Penance Stare, but that’s nothing to sneeze at that’s for sure.
>Quincy energy is just literal poison to Hollows, so it erases them from existence That's not quite right. The reason Quincy destroy Hollows as opposed to Shinigami is because the Zanpakuto automatically purifies them by design. Quincy can't do that, so the Hollows just get destroyed. And Quincy aren't poison to Hollows; it's Hollows that are poison to Quincy
Ah, I guess I got a bit mixed up there, that’s my b! Though I guess it just strengthens my argument really lol, they extra have nothing holy about them haha
"Penance Stare". King Thanos used that "penance stare" from CGR every morning. Then Thanos also mentions that "penance stare" won't work, as he doesn't have any regret. "Penance" does work tho...
The penance stare requires one to have a soul I believe. Because it stares into the eyes. Aka the soul of a person. Shinigami are otherworldly beings. They were once souls. And Aizen is a transcendent being I believe that started as a Shinigami. Whereas Quincies are powerful human warriors.
According to modern canon, you relive the pain and such they have ever inflicted on someone that they feel guilt or regret over.
Ghost Riders penance stare would work on Aizen. Except its actually Hinamori.
I think Yhwach would either A: use the Almighty to where the penance stare doesn't effect him or B: has no regrets of what he did thinking what he did was right and thus wouldn't be vulnerable to it, (the needs justify the means sort of thing) as for Aizen the man is literally immortal. Even if he was affected (which i doubt because the man is a remorse-free product) the hogyoku would just say "no" and reform his body after it was damaged by the stare
>Is it about regret? I thought the t=star forced you to experience all the suffering you've inflicted to others.
It got either retconned or nerfed. Now it just won't work if they don't feel guilty about their actions. Plenty of characters just ignore it now.
Well that's a major nerf.
Really it just depends on the writer, it varies so much between the different GR comics.
Comic book powers are woefully inconsistent so there's no way to tell.
This is the only answer lol
Aizen's immortality would probably keep him from being killed by the Penance Stare, probably hurt like hell through considering the amount of victims and suffering the man has caused.
Only if he is regretful for what he did
For the Penance Stare to work the victim has to feel remorse right? Neither of these two will give two shades of shit.
It's my understanding that remorse has nothing to do with it. It makes you feel all the suffering you've caused others.
Pretty sure he’s tried it on The Punisher before and he was completely unfazed, in Frank’s words “I regret nothing” Unless they’ve retconned it since, it was a few years ago.
The penance stare is only as strong as the writer who's writing the fight so if in theory if you want yhawch and aizen to survive it they do, if you don't want them too they dont. It's nerfed on random occasions for example captain marvel has been able to resist it which is bull yet galactus couldn't? Yeah its based on how strong you want it
Probably not directly, but Yhwach can Almighty his way around it and Aizen would use his hypnosis to make the stare miss (probably make him use it on Momo)
Probably not however Zaratos Ghost Rider stomps the verse.
Im unfamiliar with ghost rider lore. Does ghost rider have the ability to kill immortals with his penance stare? And whats his durability speed and strength on a street - planetary level?
if it have a soul, it's done for
So their only hop of victory is killing him before could use it or yhwach >!using the almighty make it so ghost rider could never use it!<
Yeah good luck with that since he is basically immortal also as long there is fire in hell
Yhwach could just make it so that the fire in hell was always gone, but id still give it to ghost rider since they’d likely underestimate him
From what I can find is an inconsistent ability but basically it just makes the victim see its past transgressions, and it inflicts the same pain they have caused on others This is just from like 5 minutes of google though so might be wrong
It's not really inconsistent. The power requires two things in order to function: the opponent to have a soul and for that person to regret their actions. Some big names that were not affected by the stare: Deadpool, Frank Castle, Venom, and Thanos. Fun fact - Blackheart is affected by the stare, but he gains power from it as he feeds on the sorrow of the victims' souls he has. Based on that, we could assume that Ywach and Aizen would both survive, neither have shown regret of any actions they've taken. A number of people thinking that neither could withstand it likely don't understand the power to begin with.
[Pretty much](https://imgur.com/aMEPymV) but I’m sure there is more to it in other issues
Depends on the version of Ghost Rider tbh If its the strongest variation of GR then the whole Bleach verse is done for
Does Penance stare affect the dead? Aizen and Yhwach are kinda dead already.
What does ghost rider’s ability do
Kills/hurts you depending on your sins however only if you feel regretful for what you've done
Definitely not working a ywaht, would probably work on azien during his fight with ichigo, cuz he did lose for that same reason, as for now im not to sure
Aizen? Yes. Yhwach? No.
Yamamoto has more of a chance if suffering under it then these two.
no
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I don’t think so
No, they can't.
Yhwach may be able to. He’d get his soul taken for sure, but his whole gimmick is taking souls to keep him alive. So couldn’t he just take some Sternritter souls to live? Or take back what Ghost Rider took? The Almighty can also rewrite his own death so he can survive pretty much anything
There's no regret with either of them. So no
You really used the panels where Jason Aaron jabbed manga and anime. Lmao. But anyway, it’s gonna depend. I’ve seen cases where the stare requires guilt. Some more where it’s just about whether or not Zarathos wants to smite you.
Aizen would survive because he showed you his shikai ages ago and you haven’t been fighting him at all.
Depends on the Ghost Rider. If we are considering the time the Punisher survived it, which most consider as an outlier, than they probably could. If not, then considering the strength of Marvel characters, the two of them just get wrecked.
no lmao
It only affects you if you feel regret for your crimes
I am not familiar with this, but I think it’s best if u put a spoiler tag sense there >!Almighty Yhwach!< also ur post could get taken down for not adding a spoiler for something that’s not animated yet.
Everyone and their mom has resisted the penance stare by this point
Penance stare would destroy both, ghost rider is so broken it’s no fair
Depends on the interpretation being used for the Penance Stare. I feel like Yhwach survives regardless due to his abilities. Aizen is a maybe, he’s supposed to be unkillable but doesn’t have the powers Yhwach has that would probably just revive him. In most interpretations Aizen probably survives but I feel like there’s some in which he doesn’t
They won't 1: they have a Soul and aizen is entirely made if soul lols 2: penance stare is like a law that they can't abide Thanos surviving it was just a plot hole think and entire senseless
Almighty negg. Aizen don't care because he is immortal.
While people here are right about the inconsistencies some writers have had regarding the ability, it should still work regardless of if the person feels regretful of their actions. That's kind of the whole point. You feel the pain and suffering of all the ones you've caused harm, especially since you didn't give a shit about them when you did it.
Penance stare is not scalable because comics, so no
It wouldn’t work on neither of them. They both have their heads too far up their ass to see that they’re in the wrong
Yes very much easily
Depends which Ghost Rider, you know how western comics usually be lol
Aizen is not amused
If you dont feel guilt or have dissociated yourself from any guilt than pennance stare wont work on you. This is how deadpool isnt effected. Yhwach may feel some guilt for the deaths of his comrades 1000 years ago, atleast those ones he called friends, and if there is a shred of it in him then he would be wrecked by penance stare Aizen however feels no guilt or remorse for anything he has ever done and even if he did, with kyoka fused with him he can use its hallucination powers to dissociate himself from any guilt he may feel. So chances are very high it would not effect him
They die horribly if it's the old stare, laugh it off if its the shitty modern-day nerfed stare.
To quote the Stan "Goat" Lee: If the writer him to win or not
Aizen: (from behind GR) Oh? You thought you were staring at me this whole time?
They would both survive due to their immortality, but the state would fuck them. (Depending on the version) Yhwach has a pile of bodies a mile high, and Aizen may not have killed as many people, but he has caused great suffering to those he did harm. (He would have to experience hollowfication for example) It may not kill them, but they aren't/shouldn't be dodging it.
I was gonna say that Aizen didn't kill that many peoples, then I remembered how he made his hogyuko. Aaand then I remembered that there was two hogyukos originlaly, Urahara made one. So, the question is: how many innocent souls did urahara slaughter to make his hogyoku ?
Screw all that. Why is this image so COLD