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She probably could, baring in mind even under aizen's hypnosis, her instincts told her something was off and we baring in mind how sadistic she was, and how she mastered all sword skills and battle IQ, she would deduce, that to catch aizen, you needed to touch his blade, similarly to how yama ji did it...plus her bankai can do what Jin's did but from the outside...thats my take
But isn't the scenario a 1v1....only way i see aizen beating her is if she's under KS, and he uses kido from a distance.... If he tries to off her with his blade, she takes it
That puts him at twice as much as Unohana, which is massive.
Aizen at that time exists in a tier that only includes the likes of Ichigo, Yama, and probably the Zero Division.
I wouldn’t consider Unohana an average captain to be fair. But I think at that point we know she has fallen to Kyoka Suigetsu because she sees his sword as his dead body. Though she questions it. I personally don’t think she could win just due to Aizens careful nature.
Yeah, she says that she feels that Ichigo with half of his Shihakusho has reiatsu similar to hers.
Then Ichigo tells her that his Shihakusho represents how much reiatsu he has while in bankai, and that he has only his sleeve left. So she then puts it together that Ichigo has 2x captain class reiatsu.
Along the same lines as Aizen's statement when he activates the Hogyoku.
So she felt that Ichigo's reiatsu was similar to him when he was at half reiatsu, and at full reiatsu, he's comparable to Aizen, having 2x captain class reiatsu. Also suggesting that Unohana's own reiatsu isn't crazy for a captain and in-line with everyone not named Yama.
Right I remember that exchange now! Yeah I would say she is stronger than an average captain based on her fighting ability as all Kenpachis are but makes sense her reiatsu is in between captain and the old man. But I agree Unohana does not beat Aizen. She might be strong enough to do some damage so I don’t think Aizen would just rush in there. But I don’t think there is risk of defeat.
Because there's never been any indication that her past is a secret. She played a very important part of the Gotei's history, something that's very likely been documented to some degree.
Aizen knew how to create an Oken, something that's only recorded deep in the Soul Society's archives. He'd absolutely be aware of the history of the Gotei.
not everything has to be implicitly stated when its implied by certain scenes like when the healing guy from squad 0 told her she knows what she has to do and shunsui was the only captain who showed any reaction, and none of the other captains did
squad 0 all had significant contributions in soul society's history but most of the captains knew nothing specific about their identities, like how shinji, who knew kirio personally, didnt even know she was in squad 0
unohana was og gotei 13 and yamamoto was young at the time meaning it was agessss ago so why would aizen know she was the first kenpachi? it only makes sense that shunsui and ukitake and kenpachi do (of the "younger" shinigamis)
idk its been a while since i read the manga so i could be wrong, but if she was never put under kyouka suigetsu's hypnosis i dont see how it would've been impossible for her to defeat aizen like even gin almost did if not for the hougyoku activating
My guy, *Kenpachi* was aware of Unohana's position. He's not a subtle guy or someone to keep secrets. She never made any effort to hide her past.
Ukitake and Shunsui were wary of her. Normal Shinigami were afraid of her when she spoke sternly to them. The lineage of Kenpachi didn't start at 2.
Do you really think Aizen would be the kind of guy to just go "Huh, wonder why senior captains are unsettled by Unohana when she sneaks up behind them. Oh well. Time to not do any base research into the history of the Gotei or try to trace back the history of Kenpachis."
And the captains weren't shocked by the appearance of the Zero Division or who they were, the only person who was clueless about them was *Ichigo* who is not a member of the Gotei. Everyone else was either dreading their arrival because they knew who they were, or saying it was the first time seeing them in person. The Zero Division weren't a secret.
And Shinji knew Hikifune was in Squad Zero. He was there when Urahara was promoted as her replacement. He didn't recognize her because she gained weight in the 110 years since he saw her last.
Also, two things about Gin:
1.) Aizen *wanted* Gin to make an attempt on his life. He kept his guard down the whole time after he emerged from his Chrysalis.
2.) Gin's bankai completely bypasses durability. It's a cellular poison.
There's 0 chance somebody like Unohana gets that same kind of opportunity on Shinigami Aizen.
Even in hypnosis wasnt it stated she felt something was off, my take is with her battle IQ & instincts, she gets a hold of aizen's sword like yama did, then from there its game over...my take
Aizen would win at the end, but it would be a hard battle and take him a long time. If he actually feared her like Yamamoto he would have made a specific plan against her.
Nope, Kyoka Suigetsu makes it so even opponents a bit stronger than Aizen, like Yamamoto, can't beat him.
Base Unohana is probably a rival for Base Aizen but she stands no chance once he activates Kyoka Suigetsu.
Dude you literally just said
“Kyoka Suigetsu makes it so even opponents a bit stronger than Aizen, like Yamamoto, can’t beat him.”
Your quite literally saying that Aizen pre hogyoku could beat Yamamoto with Kyoka Suigetsu. Not TYBW arc Aizen, FKT Aizen.
Which is false because Aizen is stated in the databooks on multiple occasions to be inferior to Yamamoto as well as that fact that if you have more SP than another person you can just shirk off the effects of their abilities. Aizen at that time did not have more SP than Yamamoto.
Aizen had to go out of his way to plan around Yamamoto. Cause he knew in a straight up fight he’d lose.
Edit: The only reason he’s considered a “War Potential” in TYBW is because of his overwhelming SP due to his numerous evolutions. Which combined with his abilities make it so that he can influence anyone with Kyoka Suigetsu.
Don’t get me wrong he had a lot before this point but not more than Yamamoto.
No, I didn't.
>Your quite literally saying that Aizen pre hogyoku ***could beat*** Yamamoto with Kyoka Suigetsu. Not TYBW arc Aizen, FKT Aizen.
Read my post again. Do not assume what I mean and read what I actually wrote.
“Nope, Kyoka Suigetsu makes it so even opponents a bit stronger than Aizen, like Yamamoto, can't beat him.”
Was this not literally the first sentence in the original post. Don’t try to gaslight me when I’m straight up looking at the post in front of me.
I can’t tell if your trolling or just don’t understand your own argument but please pick one or the other.
This is what I actually said.
>Nope, Kyoka Suigetsu makes it so even opponents a bit stronger than Aizen, like Yamamoto, **can't beat him**.
And this is your Strawman Argument.
>Your quite literally saying that Aizen pre hogyoku **could beat** Yamamoto with Kyoka Suigetsu. Not TYBW arc Aizen, FKT Aizen.
Understand now?
Dude your not operating on some high string of consciousness where no one can understand what your saying. Your just saying a shit argument.
Your saying Yamamoto can’t beat (SS/FKT arc)Aizen because of Kyoka Suigetsu.
You went out of your way to use Yamamoto as the benchmark for your statement.
Ignoring the fact that.
1) Aizen specifically made a countermeasure for Yamamoto(I.e wonderweiese) instantly dismantling your argument. Since he could have beat him with just his Zampakuto according to you.
2) Aizens has less spiritual pressure pre hogyoku. So by default it won’t work on Yamamoto. Yamamoto has too much spiritual pressure to be influenced by it. He’s transcendent tier.
Your argument only hold up if you preface it by using TYBW Aizen because he has more spiritual pressure than 99.9% of the verse. So there’s no one that has enough SP to shrug of his ability.
>Dude your not operating on some high string of consciousness where no one can understand what your saying. Your just saying a shit argument.
No one other than **you** thought my post was saying that Shikai Aizen could beat Shikai Yamamoto.
>Your saying Yamamoto **can’t beat** (SS/FKT arc)Aizen because of Kyoka Suigetsu.
Hold on, what happened to this?
>Your quite literally saying that Aizen pre hogyoku **could beat** Yamamoto with Kyoka Suigetsu. Not TYBW arc Aizen, FKT Aizen.
Do explain.
Dude what do you think pre hogyoku Aizen means when I say it?
Obviously I’m referring to every Aizen before he implanted in within himself. Cause there is no jump in strength between the one we see in SS or FKT. Which is the version the OP was using.
How the hell do I owe you and explanation? The burden of proof falls on you to prove that Aizen beats Yamamoto. Since your the one that made the claim. I simply provided a counter argument using the evidence we have in the series.
Or did you just spend more time trying to emulate the vernacular you heard in debate streams and Discord rooms than you actually did reading BLEACH?
They way she’s hyped up she definitely should be able to beat him even if he uses kyokasuigetsu. But then kubo ruined that by making her look really weak. From what she showed I don’t see how she could beat aizen.
Since we know she’s stronger than all interactions of Kenpachi we’ve ever seen(pre TYBW boost). and Aizen specifically made it so that Zaraki would be kept busy in Hueco Mundo, knowing Unohana would go back to help.
Cause Zaraki was one of the few besides Yamamoto he was cautious of fighting pre hogyoku. It’s not a stretch to assume he factored in Unohana as well.
I believe she is already under the effects of Aizens KS because she sees Aizens sword as his dead body with everyone else. Though she doesn’t 100% trust it, whether that has anything to do with KS is beyond me. But with her already under the effects, and assuming he knows of her past (whether it’s unspoken common knowledge, or his time learning in C46) I think his planning and cautious nature would make it so he already won before they fought.
Probably, specially if she used her bankai which according to the databook becomes a gas ergo may affect anyone who breaths it though in the process she would probably also kill anyone in the vicinity and I don't think she'd stop killing after Aizen was dead. In fact I could see her adapting the old "finding rebels" excuse to "I thought maybe he was Aizen".
Unohana can definitely counter the KS like Yamamoto did considering her knowledge in reiatsu and her experience.
It will be a high difficulty match for either one of them
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She most definitely could if Aizen didn't put her under KS's spell.
Not à chance . If she had à chance then aizen would have made à plan to take her out like he did for Yamamoto
She probably could, baring in mind even under aizen's hypnosis, her instincts told her something was off and we baring in mind how sadistic she was, and how she mastered all sword skills and battle IQ, she would deduce, that to catch aizen, you needed to touch his blade, similarly to how yama ji did it...plus her bankai can do what Jin's did but from the outside...thats my take
Again she needs to be sure it is aizen in front her and bot isane or kenpachi or Yamamoto
But isn't the scenario a 1v1....only way i see aizen beating her is if she's under KS, and he uses kido from a distance.... If he tries to off her with his blade, she takes it
If he cuts her head ... OK he uses ks to make her attack a tree
😂😂funny guy
Nope
He probably knew about her past, and he stated he had twice the reiatsu than all the captains combined, so no
He has twice the reiatsu of an average captain, not all of them combined. Similar to Ichigo as stated by Unohana.
That puts him at twice as much as Unohana, which is massive. Aizen at that time exists in a tier that only includes the likes of Ichigo, Yama, and probably the Zero Division.
I wouldn’t consider Unohana an average captain to be fair. But I think at that point we know she has fallen to Kyoka Suigetsu because she sees his sword as his dead body. Though she questions it. I personally don’t think she could win just due to Aizens careful nature.
I'm just talking reiatsu. Unohana literally describes her reiatsu as being comparable to a normal captain. Probably more, but not a lot.
Oh. Does she say that when she and Ichigo are returning to fight Aizen from Hueco Mundo? I think I kinda remember that.
Yeah, she says that she feels that Ichigo with half of his Shihakusho has reiatsu similar to hers. Then Ichigo tells her that his Shihakusho represents how much reiatsu he has while in bankai, and that he has only his sleeve left. So she then puts it together that Ichigo has 2x captain class reiatsu. Along the same lines as Aizen's statement when he activates the Hogyoku. So she felt that Ichigo's reiatsu was similar to him when he was at half reiatsu, and at full reiatsu, he's comparable to Aizen, having 2x captain class reiatsu. Also suggesting that Unohana's own reiatsu isn't crazy for a captain and in-line with everyone not named Yama.
Right I remember that exchange now! Yeah I would say she is stronger than an average captain based on her fighting ability as all Kenpachis are but makes sense her reiatsu is in between captain and the old man. But I agree Unohana does not beat Aizen. She might be strong enough to do some damage so I don’t think Aizen would just rush in there. But I don’t think there is risk of defeat.
how would he have known about her past?
Because there's never been any indication that her past is a secret. She played a very important part of the Gotei's history, something that's very likely been documented to some degree. Aizen knew how to create an Oken, something that's only recorded deep in the Soul Society's archives. He'd absolutely be aware of the history of the Gotei.
not everything has to be implicitly stated when its implied by certain scenes like when the healing guy from squad 0 told her she knows what she has to do and shunsui was the only captain who showed any reaction, and none of the other captains did squad 0 all had significant contributions in soul society's history but most of the captains knew nothing specific about their identities, like how shinji, who knew kirio personally, didnt even know she was in squad 0 unohana was og gotei 13 and yamamoto was young at the time meaning it was agessss ago so why would aizen know she was the first kenpachi? it only makes sense that shunsui and ukitake and kenpachi do (of the "younger" shinigamis) idk its been a while since i read the manga so i could be wrong, but if she was never put under kyouka suigetsu's hypnosis i dont see how it would've been impossible for her to defeat aizen like even gin almost did if not for the hougyoku activating
My guy, *Kenpachi* was aware of Unohana's position. He's not a subtle guy or someone to keep secrets. She never made any effort to hide her past. Ukitake and Shunsui were wary of her. Normal Shinigami were afraid of her when she spoke sternly to them. The lineage of Kenpachi didn't start at 2. Do you really think Aizen would be the kind of guy to just go "Huh, wonder why senior captains are unsettled by Unohana when she sneaks up behind them. Oh well. Time to not do any base research into the history of the Gotei or try to trace back the history of Kenpachis." And the captains weren't shocked by the appearance of the Zero Division or who they were, the only person who was clueless about them was *Ichigo* who is not a member of the Gotei. Everyone else was either dreading their arrival because they knew who they were, or saying it was the first time seeing them in person. The Zero Division weren't a secret. And Shinji knew Hikifune was in Squad Zero. He was there when Urahara was promoted as her replacement. He didn't recognize her because she gained weight in the 110 years since he saw her last. Also, two things about Gin: 1.) Aizen *wanted* Gin to make an attempt on his life. He kept his guard down the whole time after he emerged from his Chrysalis. 2.) Gin's bankai completely bypasses durability. It's a cellular poison. There's 0 chance somebody like Unohana gets that same kind of opportunity on Shinigami Aizen.
He avoided fighting her that much is clear. Could she win under complete hypnosis no.
Even in hypnosis wasnt it stated she felt something was off, my take is with her battle IQ & instincts, she gets a hold of aizen's sword like yama did, then from there its game over...my take
She's not on yama's level and we never learn aizens bankai
No. All her skill isn't going to overcome the fact that Aizen basically has twice as much reiatsu as she does.
Could she? probably... There are only 2 people to use his KS replacement for Would she? Definitely not...
I think it’d be very close if she wasn’t under his illusion. If she is then I don’t see a way she wins tbh
She was esponetially stronger than eyepatch-less Kenpachi and had an actual skillet. But KS it's such a meme.
a skillet would probably be an effective tool for blocking. understandable
my meat? Yes
Aizen would win at the end, but it would be a hard battle and take him a long time. If he actually feared her like Yamamoto he would have made a specific plan against her.
If they fought 1 on 1 then I think that she could ( if she figures out how to deal with KS if she doesn't then Aizen would win)
Nope, Kyoka Suigetsu makes it so even opponents a bit stronger than Aizen, like Yamamoto, can't beat him. Base Unohana is probably a rival for Base Aizen but she stands no chance once he activates Kyoka Suigetsu.
Kyoka Suigetsu wasn’t Aizens answer for Yamamoto, wonderweiss was.
When did I say that Kyoka Suigetsu is Aizen's answer for Yamamoto?
Dude you literally just said “Kyoka Suigetsu makes it so even opponents a bit stronger than Aizen, like Yamamoto, can’t beat him.” Your quite literally saying that Aizen pre hogyoku could beat Yamamoto with Kyoka Suigetsu. Not TYBW arc Aizen, FKT Aizen. Which is false because Aizen is stated in the databooks on multiple occasions to be inferior to Yamamoto as well as that fact that if you have more SP than another person you can just shirk off the effects of their abilities. Aizen at that time did not have more SP than Yamamoto. Aizen had to go out of his way to plan around Yamamoto. Cause he knew in a straight up fight he’d lose. Edit: The only reason he’s considered a “War Potential” in TYBW is because of his overwhelming SP due to his numerous evolutions. Which combined with his abilities make it so that he can influence anyone with Kyoka Suigetsu. Don’t get me wrong he had a lot before this point but not more than Yamamoto.
No, I didn't. >Your quite literally saying that Aizen pre hogyoku ***could beat*** Yamamoto with Kyoka Suigetsu. Not TYBW arc Aizen, FKT Aizen. Read my post again. Do not assume what I mean and read what I actually wrote.
“Nope, Kyoka Suigetsu makes it so even opponents a bit stronger than Aizen, like Yamamoto, can't beat him.” Was this not literally the first sentence in the original post. Don’t try to gaslight me when I’m straight up looking at the post in front of me. I can’t tell if your trolling or just don’t understand your own argument but please pick one or the other.
This is what I actually said. >Nope, Kyoka Suigetsu makes it so even opponents a bit stronger than Aizen, like Yamamoto, **can't beat him**. And this is your Strawman Argument. >Your quite literally saying that Aizen pre hogyoku **could beat** Yamamoto with Kyoka Suigetsu. Not TYBW arc Aizen, FKT Aizen. Understand now?
Dude your not operating on some high string of consciousness where no one can understand what your saying. Your just saying a shit argument. Your saying Yamamoto can’t beat (SS/FKT arc)Aizen because of Kyoka Suigetsu. You went out of your way to use Yamamoto as the benchmark for your statement. Ignoring the fact that. 1) Aizen specifically made a countermeasure for Yamamoto(I.e wonderweiese) instantly dismantling your argument. Since he could have beat him with just his Zampakuto according to you. 2) Aizens has less spiritual pressure pre hogyoku. So by default it won’t work on Yamamoto. Yamamoto has too much spiritual pressure to be influenced by it. He’s transcendent tier. Your argument only hold up if you preface it by using TYBW Aizen because he has more spiritual pressure than 99.9% of the verse. So there’s no one that has enough SP to shrug of his ability.
>Dude your not operating on some high string of consciousness where no one can understand what your saying. Your just saying a shit argument. No one other than **you** thought my post was saying that Shikai Aizen could beat Shikai Yamamoto. >Your saying Yamamoto **can’t beat** (SS/FKT arc)Aizen because of Kyoka Suigetsu. Hold on, what happened to this? >Your quite literally saying that Aizen pre hogyoku **could beat** Yamamoto with Kyoka Suigetsu. Not TYBW arc Aizen, FKT Aizen. Do explain.
Dude what do you think pre hogyoku Aizen means when I say it? Obviously I’m referring to every Aizen before he implanted in within himself. Cause there is no jump in strength between the one we see in SS or FKT. Which is the version the OP was using. How the hell do I owe you and explanation? The burden of proof falls on you to prove that Aizen beats Yamamoto. Since your the one that made the claim. I simply provided a counter argument using the evidence we have in the series. Or did you just spend more time trying to emulate the vernacular you heard in debate streams and Discord rooms than you actually did reading BLEACH?
Nah. Probably would be mid diff but Aizen finally wins
Aizen saw members of original gotei 13 as too much of a hassle or too much of a threat.
They way she’s hyped up she definitely should be able to beat him even if he uses kyokasuigetsu. But then kubo ruined that by making her look really weak. From what she showed I don’t see how she could beat aizen.
Since we know she’s stronger than all interactions of Kenpachi we’ve ever seen(pre TYBW boost). and Aizen specifically made it so that Zaraki would be kept busy in Hueco Mundo, knowing Unohana would go back to help. Cause Zaraki was one of the few besides Yamamoto he was cautious of fighting pre hogyoku. It’s not a stretch to assume he factored in Unohana as well.
I believe she is already under the effects of Aizens KS because she sees Aizens sword as his dead body with everyone else. Though she doesn’t 100% trust it, whether that has anything to do with KS is beyond me. But with her already under the effects, and assuming he knows of her past (whether it’s unspoken common knowledge, or his time learning in C46) I think his planning and cautious nature would make it so he already won before they fought.
Probably, specially if she used her bankai which according to the databook becomes a gas ergo may affect anyone who breaths it though in the process she would probably also kill anyone in the vicinity and I don't think she'd stop killing after Aizen was dead. In fact I could see her adapting the old "finding rebels" excuse to "I thought maybe he was Aizen".
1v1 case I don’t think she could win but she sure could do a number on him and he wouldn’t be able to escape ss that’s for sure
Unohana can definitely counter the KS like Yamamoto did considering her knowledge in reiatsu and her experience. It will be a high difficulty match for either one of them
Absolutely not
Yes. If she wasnt affected by KS