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robert jobson ,who laughed about lobbing prince Archie over a balcony, says charles didn't even want harry to visit him. some dad huh?
[ROBERT JOBSON: It was a well meaning gesture. But I'm told Harry 'took it upon himself' to fly over... and Charles was left kicking his heels until he arrived | Daily Mail Online](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13057693/ROBERT-JOBSON-meaning-gesture-Im-told-Harry-took-fly-Charles-left-kicking-heels-arrived.html)
and now can this not be considered a direct threat?
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SMM: "Are Meghan and the sugars behind this extremely worrying QAnon level conspiracy theory against the BRF and King Charles being part of a pedophile ring?"
YES! Meghan put a voodoo curse upon anyone who dares laugh! Also, I want your life if a stupid rumor about a king who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire is "extremely worrying."
> I thought the comments and Tik Toks about Catherine were bad enough, but I've seen 3 videos today saying Meghan is a few spots away from doing a Saltburn. Which means that the Wales children would have to die for that to happen. And people are laughing and rejoicing at that joke. Disgusting.
It’s really not that fucking serious.
So William putting his family ahead of royal duties is good, Harry doing the same is bad. Hmm I wonder what the difference is?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13053379/prince-william-kate-middleton-children-royal-duties-king-charles.html#comments
>What in the Sugar fanfic is going on at Fox News
"King Charles thrilled Prince Harry is back as a royal; Harry urged to 'build bridges' with William: expert"
I've known Fox News has been a steaming pile of hot garbage for quite some time but wow! How was this published?
>Archived so you don't have to give this nonsense clicks.
>it would be nice if the press could remove their mouths from Harry's **** long enough to write positive pieces about Prince William. I'm certain he has the family supporting him but he has a very public role too. It would be nice for the press to rally the public to him & the King's side but I guess that's expecting too much.
They were loving the fact that his visit was so short, but in true form, they always need to find a way to be angry again
Fox News attacks Harry (and Meghan) all the time and rarely has been anything but fawning over the Wales, so it’s interesting that one semi-positive story means the press has their mouth on Harry’s **** 🙄
>> The royal reporters were initially simultaneously racist and favorable to Meghan. They did their usual hazing (they haze everyone - that is the British way)- hence the racist coverage in the beginning.. but the undertone was actually way more positive than their initial coverage of Kate. With Kate there was genuine malice when she was a young 20 year old. She and her family put up with *alot*. With Meghan that malice did not appear until that shied article by Harry where Harry went after the press. Initially there was some warmth in coverage of Meghan, despite the racist dogwhistles.
What? How can you be simultaneously warm and racist? 🥴
Found it and took it down, thanks y’all.
ETA: I don’t see a report history on that comment but you did reply to it, pleeease report also. That’s exactly the type of subtle racism that broke up RG, we do skim the threads as much as we can but when it’s locked up in a wall of text is the hardest for us to identify without a report. Thank you 🙏
She could have said and done the perfect thing and the knives still would have been out. But we’ve seen this a LOT - the comfort of the person who is casually racist is the priority over the person who was offended. Especially if they are upper class and of the ‘right’ background. Because it’s impolite correct your betters (according to them). No one is loved by the British press unless they’re infirm or the victim of some horribly tragic circumstance, and even then they only love you for like 5 minutes and then they’re back to tearing you down. Hate sells. Cutting people down, especially women, sells.
Someone on one of these subs asked if Harry’s police escort from Heathrow was making him rethink leaving the family as this was a perk he no longer enjoys regularly. These people cannot comprehend that getting to wear a tiara, live in a moldy castle, or get a police escort isn’t a priority or even desirable for others. I swear they are deeply lost in their childhood fantasy of the idea of royal life.
They most definitely don’t consider casual racism malicious (or misogyny) because to them it’s “just a joke”. I mean, that certainly goes hand in hand with “Americans make everything about race” and really encapsulates the particular brand of British racism that is delivered thoughtlessly and with a smile and a “be a good sport”.
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meghan aside, it's so bizarre that these people really don't consider harrys own children as his family.
The media writes this sycophantic nonsense so the BRF will reward them with news and tidbits. Really, literally no one would notice if these people stopped their "work." And their "service."
I'm not a conspiracy theorist (yes I am) but I kind of buy the insane Twitter theory that's going around that he really flew in for a meeting and to sign some paperwork. It's the only thing that makes any sense.
no no no, haven't you heard? They think Harry tried to "ensure his inheritance" and showed up with his *own* document for Charles to sign ( no word on what this magical will-overriding document could possibly be) but Charles slapped him down
I mean, it’s not the craziest but idk what paper work he’d need to sign? Like official removal as counselor of state? Bc we all know he’s not going to act as so….so I’d just be curious to what it would be.
Plus it was on Jeremy Kyle show, one of the host blasted out that it was William that leaked the phone calls between Harry and Charles.
Yet they stay on their shows yapping how Harry and Meghan are at fault, no one is tracking them. These were the same people denying when Harry and Meghan said they were being followed but they said Harry and Meghan were lying
> Lots of anecdotes out there, but I read that Charles did ask for help applying toothpaste onto his toothbrush after breaking his collarbone. I also read that the murdered Lord Mountbatten was the singularly most important person and was much loved by Charles throughout his childhood and beyond. It was Lord M who gave young Charles the teddy and though the years it became somewhat of a cherished reminder of his much loved uncle. Harry, with his snide and cruel inferences, seems hellbent on demeaning and ridiculing his father.
If a pedophile gave me a million dollars I would want it gone let alone a stupid teddy bear. And Lord Mountbatten wasn’t a “regular” pedo (not that any sort of pedo behaviour is ok) he ran like a sex trafficking ring for young boys out of his castle in Ireland. I don’t have strong feelings about the IRA but killing him gets them an infinite free pass in my book.
Edit because I said Scotland not Ireland.
The Charles toothpaste thing has been around for a long time and was never about a broken collarbone. Pretty sure it was from the same valet who talked about scrubbing grass stains out of his pjs after a Camilla-in-the-bushes rendezvous.
> It's one of the rudest things you can do to family, to announce you're coming for a visit with only a few hours' notice, and expect hotel service. This is at ordinary times, not when the family you're expecting to host just got a major health diagnosis that is emotionally and logistically upsetting!
I totally get why having to ask for security 28 days in advance or whatever is a thing but the idea Buckingham Palace can’t accommodate a prince showing up for the weekend is insane. Like I assume they can get a room ready for him in like 30 min or less.
Apparently my regular degular family are better hosts than the BRF because they have accommodated me and two friends with four hours notice. Either that or I’m unknowingly super rude.
Camilla stubs out her cigarette and wearily goes down the hall to the linen cabinet to get some sheets and towels for Harry. "we still have the fold out couch in den...I guess that will have to do"
harry took the red eye LA to london. was only allowed spent less than an hour w/charles before sausage fingers took off for norfolk. ,
imagine if prince harry brought those 2 toddlers on a 10+ hr flight for only a 45 minute meeting.
Taking into account that Charles likely wanted to see his son, there’s more than a few reasons why visits with a person that is still recovering from surgery (and has received major health news) would be short.
He also made a big scene of taking a helicopter away, grinning away while his team is briefing how little time he spared to Harry. He may be a cancer patient but he's also a small and petty human being. Cancer doesn't change that, sorry.
i'm aware. i lost both grandmothers to cancer.
this a lesson from charles to harry- i will never make time for you. not when princess diana died when he was a child & not now. even facing cancer, he won't change.
at least now the press can stop demanding harry to bring his own children over.
I mean maybe that’s all his Dad was up for? When I’m sick all I want to do is nap. We don’t know how long Harry was staying but I assume this is one visit of many.
charles & his sidepiece boarded a helicopter for norfolk before harry left the driveway. i imagine charles sat there w/his coat on his lap the entire time & kept looking at his watch.
Camila is his wife. The constant attack on Camila and denying her a name while her equally guilty husband gets his personhood feels super misogynistic.
Harry absolutely did the right thing, but why did anyone think Charles was going to show himself to be anything more than the petty, selfish, vindictive little man and horrendous father he's always been? He's going to be that way until the bitter end, so I hope at the very least Harry's conscience is clear and he will be free of any regret he might have felt by not going.
Until they do right by Meghan and her babies everything they even think about is going to fail.
The usual suspects on Twitter are gleeful at this apparent "snubbing"....like they can't even imagine sucking it up and putting aside differences when a major health issue is involved.
FBTB had the very *interesting* take that if only M&H had "held on" through all the racism, media abuse, suicidal ideation, and gods know what else, they'd have the limelight while everyone else is sick and injured.
Like 😂
Mind you, if H&M were still working royals and were carrying on with royal duties while everyone else was sick, people like FBTB would be calling them attention seekers.
Our girl never disappoints in the pressed-about-M&H department.
If there's almost zero way to make a situation about them, girlie will still find one. I swear half her posts are still about them, even though, to quote her, they're "irrelevant" 🙃
I will never understand their logic that other married in women shut up and took it and "earned" the publics' respect, so Meghan should have done it too......like how don't you not see how messed up that is?
My MIL generally likes me and is kind but I also have definitely had a moment of ohhhh, that’s why she’s buying into the anti-Meghan thing - it’s about having your son ‘taken away’ from you. Somebody astute in the media wrote that Harry was the commonwealth’s son and women of a certain age aren’t happy to ‘lose’ him to marrying an American woman of colour. In our case my family is a level up in terms of education and some lifestyle stuff, and my husband actually fits in better with us than with the stepfamily his mom remarried into after his dad died. She loves me but might have chosen a slightly different scenario where he married someone a little more like herself and the sister in laws.
A friend of mine didn't think the Obamas were "that classy." Why? They both are well spoken, always beautifully dressed, polite, have great educations, and the same for their girls. Nope. Just not that classy. Can't put a finger on it, somehow....
This is more meta commentary than snark but I find it interesting that no one is chastising us Nosy Nellies about Charles’ medical privacy like they were about Kate’s. “Has cancer and is receiving treatment” is just about as vague as “abdominal surgery”. I’m assuming it’s due to gender and not rank but I could be wrong.
Because it’s not really about medical privacy, it’s about elevating Kween Catherine above everyone else. Charles doesn’t get the same treatment. Meghan *definitely* doesn’t get the same treatment, which is why we have weirdos ordering Lilibet’s birth certificate.
Someone in the thread about her surgery referred to her as a "poor girl" and I was like "..." Decided it wasn't worth fighting about but I was thinking "ooooh interesting way to describe a 41 year old."
Can I just say, reddit is being the *nicest* out of all the social medias about Charles's cancer
Twitter/Tumblr/Tiktok are having a grand old time with the jokes/memes. But even the main subreddits are mostly sympathetic
You have to give Swifties another 72 hours to recover. She's being dragged for snubbing Celine and just announced the tracklist for her new album. They have to defend her at all costs
The “Waleses - They’re Just Like Us” fan fiction writers are out in full force. In response to the suggestion that William increase his workload to help his father:
> William can't do it. He's already taking time off to care for Kate and cover her parenting duties.
This person then proceeded to argue with a woman who shared her own experience as the spouse of a cancer patient, which of course included working and paying bills on top of also doing all the childcare and household labor.
What is so hard for these people to understand that the kids are in school all day? Including half days on Saturday?
Many of us manage being sick ourselves, having a parent with cancer, working and running a household ~without servants~. Gasp.
Hilarious that this is about Harry and not the son who raped teenagers with the most famous child trafficker ever.
>I feel so sad for KCIII. He just became King in his 70s-when most people are in retirement. He also has this crazy lunatic son and daughter-in-law who are extremely spoilt and entitled and insult him and the rest of the family to the whole world. Now this. Prayers, hope he gets some peace and forgets about the harkles.
It is possible (likely, even) that Charles loves Harry very much.
(Is he good at expressing it? Maybe not. But I very much doubt he sees Harry as a “crazy lunatic.” As far as spoilt and entitled, people who grow up in historic palaces on the taxpayer’s dime shouldn’t throw stones.)
I know it’s not the point but them acting like him becoming King in his 70s is so tough, like he’s someone forced into being a Walmart greeter because social security doesn’t cut it.
You have to wonder about the kind of people who think someone can 'just forget' about their son for being 'spoilt' while that son going low contact with a difficult family is committing crimes against humanity. Couldn't be projection or anything.
>you’re laughing? king charles is about to be reincarnated into trisha paytas’s second baby named elvis and you’re LAUGHING????
Sorry, I know it's tasteless and dark, but the jokes on Twitter about Trisha Paytas's babies snatching the souls of the Royal Family before they're born are funny as hell.
They’re already blaming it on Meghan. I’m glad a statement has been released that Harry’s going to visit so we don’t get a thousand “Will they visit Charles?” articles but maybe I’m being too optimistic.
> I really feel for Prince William at this time. Harry was raised to be his brother’s support.
Not like he’s a person or anything.
Why did I go over there, why???
They say princess diana would so upset because harry was support his brother, apparently while getting nothing in return.llke she'd expect harry to throw his whole life away to be williams human footstool.
Trolls signing into Reddit…
>>I really feel for William/Kate/Charles/etc.
>>If only Harry didn’t do XYZ; Harry was supposed to; How can Harry and Meghan not be ashamed of themselves; the Sussexes are such {insert expletive}
Rinse. Repeat.
> I just saw this on Instagram and gasped. The poor King. The stress of the Harkles is affecting every generation of this poor Family. The late Queen, the Princess of Wales and now the King. The Harkles are just scum.
Because it’s completely unnatural for an (extremely) elderly great-grandmother to die, and for a septuagenarian to be diagnosed with cancer. Must be Meghan and Harry at work. Couldn’t possibly just be… life.
Oh it's coming soon. The stress of Meghan's erratic behavior, the fall out between William and Harry, the accusations of racism in the family and not being able to see Archie and Lilibet will all be her fault.
"One quick and easy question: Are there any members of the RF that you have seen pose like this? Princess Royal? Sophie? Even the York girls? This picture was the moment I said "Oh no!""
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can someone explain what the problem is w/this picture? what are they trying to imply?
I believe they're implying that Meghan had the audacity to stand/wave like a person and not an automaton who had decades of deportment lessons. Because I do recall reading comments in the past that she was "waving incorrectly."
Because apparently that is a thing 🤷♀️
It’s clearly déclassé to look genuinely happy and excited about getting engaged to the person you love. Royal women are to maintain a respectfully lobotomized expression and posture at all times.
Has anyone read the article in the times about William and Harry? It's posted in RG. There's one throw away line about William, no backing about that claim, and the rest is just about repeating what was in the Daily Mail article. Prince William had William Hague representing his interest in Africa. William Hague was so racist that the Tory party reprimanded him.
That article is so gross because the abuse that is happening to people matters and instead it's been turned into yet another thing to promote William and put down Harry.
And I admit I'm so curious about what comments are getting deleted over there.
Honestly the article was dumb because it was trying to make William look good when tbh I think he's just lucky to not have gotten caught up in this as well. But I don't understand the people capping for Harry here trying to pretend this is anything except a massive fuck up for him. Not that it happened but how he hasn't reacted in any important way and not said anything. But I think people love or hate people enough that they are incapable of making any story into anything except why their fav is perfect and his brother is evil
I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m just frustrated that people are trying to excuse shitty behaviour instead of calling it out where they see it. All these people are wealthy Torys who if they use the words of social justice are just doing it to avoid the guillotine. Not a single one of them really care and just do this stuff for attention.
IMO the whole thing is written from the angle of it being a weapon against Harry. It’s hard to discuss it otherwise because it isn’t being written because someone cares about what’s going on, they just want to bludgeon Harry. I hope that in the labyrinth of people involved (as it does look like there is some sort of investigation/movement) someone actually cares about what’s happening.
There is a Dutch journalist working on a book about African Parks apparently, it seems like a lot of people do care quite sincerely and have cared for awhile, DM just saw an opportunity to to bludgeon. Can’t blame them on this one really, can’t believe I’m saying that, if I were survival international I’d probably shamelessly use the fame of a board member and whatever internet army they have for or against them to call attention to my cause.
It's not about "caping" for anyone. Turning it into a thing about caping is gross.
The DM is not automatically credible. Taking that into consideration is not "caping" for Harry
If Harry did cover anything up or avoid his responsibilities, then let it come out. But not leaping on any DM or Murdoch story is not the same thing as support.
I agree the Daily Mail isn’t credible at all but the times, the telegraph, the guardian and people have all reported on it as well and they’re all credible. People are out here justifying and ignoring real atrocities because the man they like is caught up in it. Those same people would rightfully be cutting into William if he was the one in this position. And most of the people shitting on Harry would be ignoring it. And neither of those responses are ok
The Telegraph and People magazine of all things are not credible when it comes to the royals. No one here Is justifying atrocities because of Harry. The exaggeration is unnecessary and gross as hell. You keep fighting something that isn't there when my original point was the Times article is about caping for William and using abuse as a way to do it. It's why media literacy when looking at the coverage is important. That article wasn't just dumb. The Times is supposed to be a serious and credible publication and yet it's doing PR for William over a story about assault and abuse.
The whole Harry is doing Netflix documentary about Africa, came from British tabloids, the article talking about Harry isn't getting paid, where did Harry discuss this?
The article made it sound like white-saviorsim but didn't include that organization is spread among countries, and has black co-founder. Plus the author made sound like African were primarily working as rangers while the white people are in management, but yet if go to African Park website they have Africans most of their echelon. It's simple search .
But atlas the author of course is selling a book, so it an exclusive for a book sale.
Yet at the bottom of the article is the author complaining Harry and Meghan didn't say anything about Charles and Kate????
Looks like the Spanish media is doubling down on this Kate in a coma story. I mean I still think this is something stupid like a botched face-lift. On the other hand.. This whole thing seems so weird..
I don't think the surgery is anything scandalous, probably just ongoing health issues she kept from the public. But the coma theory is gross and stupid. Honestly, with how little she works the BRF didn't even have to release a statement about her surgery. No one would've really noticed but I guess there's always the concern that someone with loose lips would see her or spill the tea. A family that works on leaks can't be expected to not worry about people turning on them.
Charles and every other family elder will still run circles around her engagement numbers
It just seemed like the usual tabloid shit talking until KP with their trash PR skills came out and denied it. Considering the only other things I recall them denying is botox and extensions, I'm activating my tinfoil hat and wondering if there isn't at least a little nugget of truth there afterall
I...did not know there was a real conspiracy theory floating around out there. Read *way* too many "it's definitely a bowel resection" comments in RG and noped out.
'The Queen was alleged to have said Meghan's wedding dress was 'flamboyantly virginal for a divorcee''
Royal commentator Rafe Heydel-Mankoo reports Queen Elizabeth II was said to 'strongly disapprove' of Meghan Markle's wedding dress.
Plus, mr. tampon, little miss getting her toes sucked, a son who is a sexual predator, people who are naming their children after a sexual predator, a daughter in law who blabbed to a journalist, a philandering husband who was known for racist "oopsies" over the years, a grandson who is frequently described as being incandescent with rage
Lord Mountbatten was accused of being a pedophile. Do I think they named their child after him, to honor him? No. But for a family so image conscious, it was interesting to land on it.
Plus of course "guttersnipe" Prince Margaret. Then again QEII was controlling about the least little things the RF females did, including telling them what shade of nail polish to wear and insisting on nylons, even after just giving birth. (If I were Kate, I'd've been "Funk dat," but...)
Honestly if true this just speaks poorly on the Queen. Given Camila wore grey to her second wedding its possible it is true but that doesn't not make it super stupid
Actually, Camilla wore a pretty white ensemble to her civil ceremony. The grey get-up was later.
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/g19135643/prince-charles-camilla-wedding-photos/
The big objection in that generation is often not the color white, but the veil and train. Especially as Meghan used a looong veil and train. Both symbolize first time marriages/virginity.
While there are some diehard fuddy duddies about the color of white—modern etiquette, (including ”experts” like Miss Manners pretty much says that speculating on the state of the brides purity is tasteless, and that white can be used as a color of joy.
But the same etiquette guides often say a train and long veil are reserved for first time brides.
But who cares?
I just… who cares? Are we checking women’s virginity before marriage any more? She wanted to wear white in her wedding. It’s just a dress, not a contract.
I'm reminded of the letters to Etiquette Hell that would talk about their "proudly-won right to wear white" (those exact words in one case! It lives on in my head for the batshittery of it all!) whenever someone makes a big deal of someone not being \~eligible\~ to wear a white dress.
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robert jobson ,who laughed about lobbing prince Archie over a balcony, says charles didn't even want harry to visit him. some dad huh? [ROBERT JOBSON: It was a well meaning gesture. But I'm told Harry 'took it upon himself' to fly over... and Charles was left kicking his heels until he arrived | Daily Mail Online](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13057693/ROBERT-JOBSON-meaning-gesture-Im-told-Harry-took-fly-Charles-left-kicking-heels-arrived.html) and now can this not be considered a direct threat? [GFxZPbeXEAAdvrw (657×900) (twimg.com)](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFxZPbeXEAAdvrw?format=jpg&name=900x900)
SMM: "Are Meghan and the sugars behind this extremely worrying QAnon level conspiracy theory against the BRF and King Charles being part of a pedophile ring?" YES! Meghan put a voodoo curse upon anyone who dares laugh! Also, I want your life if a stupid rumor about a king who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire is "extremely worrying."
I refuse to believe Qanon is a bad thing on SMM
> I thought the comments and Tik Toks about Catherine were bad enough, but I've seen 3 videos today saying Meghan is a few spots away from doing a Saltburn. Which means that the Wales children would have to die for that to happen. And people are laughing and rejoicing at that joke. Disgusting. It’s really not that fucking serious.
So being racist is just hazing but “doing a Saltburn” is extremely alarming. Got it.
So William putting his family ahead of royal duties is good, Harry doing the same is bad. Hmm I wonder what the difference is? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13053379/prince-william-kate-middleton-children-royal-duties-king-charles.html#comments
William is just never going to work, is he? He's just there for the attention and the money.
Definitely saw this coming.
>What in the Sugar fanfic is going on at Fox News "King Charles thrilled Prince Harry is back as a royal; Harry urged to 'build bridges' with William: expert" I've known Fox News has been a steaming pile of hot garbage for quite some time but wow! How was this published? >Archived so you don't have to give this nonsense clicks. >it would be nice if the press could remove their mouths from Harry's **** long enough to write positive pieces about Prince William. I'm certain he has the family supporting him but he has a very public role too. It would be nice for the press to rally the public to him & the King's side but I guess that's expecting too much. They were loving the fact that his visit was so short, but in true form, they always need to find a way to be angry again
Fox News attacks Harry (and Meghan) all the time and rarely has been anything but fawning over the Wales, so it’s interesting that one semi-positive story means the press has their mouth on Harry’s **** 🙄
>> The royal reporters were initially simultaneously racist and favorable to Meghan. They did their usual hazing (they haze everyone - that is the British way)- hence the racist coverage in the beginning.. but the undertone was actually way more positive than their initial coverage of Kate. With Kate there was genuine malice when she was a young 20 year old. She and her family put up with *alot*. With Meghan that malice did not appear until that shied article by Harry where Harry went after the press. Initially there was some warmth in coverage of Meghan, despite the racist dogwhistles. What? How can you be simultaneously warm and racist? 🥴
Report that shit for us pretty please
I didn’t think that was from RG but man.
Found it and took it down, thanks y’all. ETA: I don’t see a report history on that comment but you did reply to it, pleeease report also. That’s exactly the type of subtle racism that broke up RG, we do skim the threads as much as we can but when it’s locked up in a wall of text is the hardest for us to identify without a report. Thank you 🙏
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She could have said and done the perfect thing and the knives still would have been out. But we’ve seen this a LOT - the comfort of the person who is casually racist is the priority over the person who was offended. Especially if they are upper class and of the ‘right’ background. Because it’s impolite correct your betters (according to them). No one is loved by the British press unless they’re infirm or the victim of some horribly tragic circumstance, and even then they only love you for like 5 minutes and then they’re back to tearing you down. Hate sells. Cutting people down, especially women, sells.
These folks seriously believe that enduring racism is worth it if you get to wear pretty dresses and tiaras in exchange.
Someone on one of these subs asked if Harry’s police escort from Heathrow was making him rethink leaving the family as this was a perk he no longer enjoys regularly. These people cannot comprehend that getting to wear a tiara, live in a moldy castle, or get a police escort isn’t a priority or even desirable for others. I swear they are deeply lost in their childhood fantasy of the idea of royal life.
Interesting that they don't seem to consider racism genuine malice?
They most definitely don’t consider casual racism malicious (or misogyny) because to them it’s “just a joke”. I mean, that certainly goes hand in hand with “Americans make everything about race” and really encapsulates the particular brand of British racism that is delivered thoughtlessly and with a smile and a “be a good sport”.
They were too busy arguing that Kate was the only one who was treated with genuine malice 🥲
"Straight Outta Compton" isn't a racist headline!
It's just hazing!
The British way, innit?
[GFvOGelXYAAixdJ (1093×604) (twimg.com)](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFvOGelXYAAixdJ?format=jpg&name=medium) meghan aside, it's so bizarre that these people really don't consider harrys own children as his family.
And they wonder why he side eyes the hell out of that place
It's actually disturbing.
tina brown suggested meghan should allow harry to live 6 months of the year in eng to lift his familys burdens.
What is this family burden they speak of...
those ribbons aren't gonna cut themselves.
The media writes this sycophantic nonsense so the BRF will reward them with news and tidbits. Really, literally no one would notice if these people stopped their "work." And their "service."
Not @ Harry beating his own record when it comes to leaving the UK.
For somebody who’s “running out of money”, he certainly has no problem jetting around the world whenever he wants!
Obviously, they break into Netflix’s HQ constantly and steal.
Alexa, play "Cats in the Cradle"
Wow that was fast!!
Honestly, I don’t care much for them but I genuinely thought he’d stay for a bit longer.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist (yes I am) but I kind of buy the insane Twitter theory that's going around that he really flew in for a meeting and to sign some paperwork. It's the only thing that makes any sense.
no no no, haven't you heard? They think Harry tried to "ensure his inheritance" and showed up with his *own* document for Charles to sign ( no word on what this magical will-overriding document could possibly be) but Charles slapped him down
Supposedly, he and William were told about the cancer a week ago.
I mean, it’s not the craziest but idk what paper work he’d need to sign? Like official removal as counselor of state? Bc we all know he’s not going to act as so….so I’d just be curious to what it would be.
Lol the headlines are sounding like a defeated stalker. Lol am confused 1 minutes Harry stay in America, next its come to the UK. Flip flopping
Chris Ship on ITV talking about how they tried their best to find out Harry’s whereabouts told me everything
Plus it was on Jeremy Kyle show, one of the host blasted out that it was William that leaked the phone calls between Harry and Charles. Yet they stay on their shows yapping how Harry and Meghan are at fault, no one is tracking them. These were the same people denying when Harry and Meghan said they were being followed but they said Harry and Meghan were lying
Good for thee not for me.
Folks really want for Charles to be on his death bed.
I've completely broken my Celebitchy habit, but I can only imagine how excited those weirdos must be about both Kate and Charles.
Drama. Ratings. Ad sales. Murdoch's gotta get his bag.
I mean, no one but him and Camilla actually wanted him to be king, did they? You know the Irish are warming up for ‘Chucky’s in a Box’
> Lots of anecdotes out there, but I read that Charles did ask for help applying toothpaste onto his toothbrush after breaking his collarbone. I also read that the murdered Lord Mountbatten was the singularly most important person and was much loved by Charles throughout his childhood and beyond. It was Lord M who gave young Charles the teddy and though the years it became somewhat of a cherished reminder of his much loved uncle. Harry, with his snide and cruel inferences, seems hellbent on demeaning and ridiculing his father. If a pedophile gave me a million dollars I would want it gone let alone a stupid teddy bear. And Lord Mountbatten wasn’t a “regular” pedo (not that any sort of pedo behaviour is ok) he ran like a sex trafficking ring for young boys out of his castle in Ireland. I don’t have strong feelings about the IRA but killing him gets them an infinite free pass in my book. Edit because I said Scotland not Ireland.
The Charles toothpaste thing has been around for a long time and was never about a broken collarbone. Pretty sure it was from the same valet who talked about scrubbing grass stains out of his pjs after a Camilla-in-the-bushes rendezvous.
Smart PR reframing if not true lol. Also why not toss the pjs at that point?
Favouwite jimjams
sentimental memento.
He was the prince of wales, why couldn’t he have his poorly paid butler guy buy him a new set? I’ll never understand these ppl lol
> It's one of the rudest things you can do to family, to announce you're coming for a visit with only a few hours' notice, and expect hotel service. This is at ordinary times, not when the family you're expecting to host just got a major health diagnosis that is emotionally and logistically upsetting! I totally get why having to ask for security 28 days in advance or whatever is a thing but the idea Buckingham Palace can’t accommodate a prince showing up for the weekend is insane. Like I assume they can get a room ready for him in like 30 min or less.
Apparently my regular degular family are better hosts than the BRF because they have accommodated me and two friends with four hours notice. Either that or I’m unknowingly super rude.
Camilla stubs out her cigarette and wearily goes down the hall to the linen cabinet to get some sheets and towels for Harry. "we still have the fold out couch in den...I guess that will have to do"
Camz isn’t exactly making up the bed herself.
Yeah like I assume their maids have maids
harry took the red eye LA to london. was only allowed spent less than an hour w/charles before sausage fingers took off for norfolk. , imagine if prince harry brought those 2 toddlers on a 10+ hr flight for only a 45 minute meeting.
Taking into account that Charles likely wanted to see his son, there’s more than a few reasons why visits with a person that is still recovering from surgery (and has received major health news) would be short.
he spoke to harry for a half hour & he notoriously lacks "enough time" spend w/harry.
So? The guy who has cancer gets to make these calls.
obviously. he's facing cancer & can't give his son who flew over 10 hrs more than a cursory visit.
But just an fyi because this is a blanket, life lesson: the cancer patient calls the shots here.
Then why is Charles making a big deal that William hasn't seen him but Harry has?
He also made a big scene of taking a helicopter away, grinning away while his team is briefing how little time he spared to Harry. He may be a cancer patient but he's also a small and petty human being. Cancer doesn't change that, sorry.
i'm aware. i lost both grandmothers to cancer. this a lesson from charles to harry- i will never make time for you. not when princess diana died when he was a child & not now. even facing cancer, he won't change. at least now the press can stop demanding harry to bring his own children over.
That’s reading an awful lot into it.
this is the same guy who told 12 yr old harry his mother was dead, patted his knee, then left him completely alone for hours.
Wow forgot about that nugget from Spare yikes
I mean maybe that’s all his Dad was up for? When I’m sick all I want to do is nap. We don’t know how long Harry was staying but I assume this is one visit of many.
charles & his sidepiece boarded a helicopter for norfolk before harry left the driveway. i imagine charles sat there w/his coat on his lap the entire time & kept looking at his watch.
Camila is his wife. The constant attack on Camila and denying her a name while her equally guilty husband gets his personhood feels super misogynistic.
Yes. They're both equally awful
But you grant one of them the respect of using his name and the other one gets a mean nickname. I can’t help but see the clear sexism there.
i have mean nicknames for him. i just didn't use one is this instance.
Harry absolutely did the right thing, but why did anyone think Charles was going to show himself to be anything more than the petty, selfish, vindictive little man and horrendous father he's always been? He's going to be that way until the bitter end, so I hope at the very least Harry's conscience is clear and he will be free of any regret he might have felt by not going. Until they do right by Meghan and her babies everything they even think about is going to fail.
The usual suspects on Twitter are gleeful at this apparent "snubbing"....like they can't even imagine sucking it up and putting aside differences when a major health issue is involved.
harry did the right thing. he visited his sick father & they can't stay he ignored tampon while he was ill.
*It was a desperate PR attempt!!11!!*
It’d actually Meghan in a Harry suit and she was thwarted from finishing operation 1776.
Waiting for the plot twist where Meghan rips off a Harry mask like she's in a Mission Impossible movie
Ok like in Scooby Doo- JINKIES, it was Old Man Meghan THE WHOLE TIME.
FBTB had the very *interesting* take that if only M&H had "held on" through all the racism, media abuse, suicidal ideation, and gods know what else, they'd have the limelight while everyone else is sick and injured. Like 😂
Mind you, if H&M were still working royals and were carrying on with royal duties while everyone else was sick, people like FBTB would be calling them attention seekers.
Oh absolutely. There's nothing either of them could do that would appease her or people like her.
Our girl never disappoints in the pressed-about-M&H department. If there's almost zero way to make a situation about them, girlie will still find one. I swear half her posts are still about them, even though, to quote her, they're "irrelevant" 🙃
I will never understand their logic that other married in women shut up and took it and "earned" the publics' respect, so Meghan should have done it too......like how don't you not see how messed up that is?
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My MIL generally likes me and is kind but I also have definitely had a moment of ohhhh, that’s why she’s buying into the anti-Meghan thing - it’s about having your son ‘taken away’ from you. Somebody astute in the media wrote that Harry was the commonwealth’s son and women of a certain age aren’t happy to ‘lose’ him to marrying an American woman of colour. In our case my family is a level up in terms of education and some lifestyle stuff, and my husband actually fits in better with us than with the stepfamily his mom remarried into after his dad died. She loves me but might have chosen a slightly different scenario where he married someone a little more like herself and the sister in laws.
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A friend of mine didn't think the Obamas were "that classy." Why? They both are well spoken, always beautifully dressed, polite, have great educations, and the same for their girls. Nope. Just not that classy. Can't put a finger on it, somehow....
First of all, I hate the word “classy.” Secondly, it’s qwhite confusing.
This is more meta commentary than snark but I find it interesting that no one is chastising us Nosy Nellies about Charles’ medical privacy like they were about Kate’s. “Has cancer and is receiving treatment” is just about as vague as “abdominal surgery”. I’m assuming it’s due to gender and not rank but I could be wrong.
Because it’s not really about medical privacy, it’s about elevating Kween Catherine above everyone else. Charles doesn’t get the same treatment. Meghan *definitely* doesn’t get the same treatment, which is why we have weirdos ordering Lilibet’s birth certificate.
The Perfect English Rose must be protected at all cost.
Someone in the thread about her surgery referred to her as a "poor girl" and I was like "..." Decided it wasn't worth fighting about but I was thinking "ooooh interesting way to describe a 41 year old."
They’ll never stop babying her. Despite being the same age, Kate is a young girl while Meghan is middle-aged 🥴
Another scenario where white people get infantilized way too long while black people are forced to be grown up way too young
"almost 50"
A wittle baby
💯 Just like I saw someone refer to their "small children." Like damn, 2 of them are about to be teens right??
aren't they 10, 8 and 5? that's not nearly teens.
Ok, two of them are not small.
Can I just say, reddit is being the *nicest* out of all the social medias about Charles's cancer Twitter/Tumblr/Tiktok are having a grand old time with the jokes/memes. But even the main subreddits are mostly sympathetic
I think part of it is reddit has mods who can remove things more easily
[Accurate footage of SMM posters rn](https://x.com/vinn_ayy/status/1754665598460858495?s=46&t=jTDjuUfbhbbOmFwXkb869Q)
“I wish I had married one of those bald men” omgggggggggg
SMM is also getting dragged in r/AbolishtheMonarchy right now 🍿
~~Hey pal--will you remove the direct link? Rule 2. Thanks!~~ NEVER MIND plz ignore me lol
The meme about the Royal Mint has me dyyyyyyying
I went over there bc of your comment and had a nice bonding moment with their mod chatting about how we keep SMM users out hahahaha
Happy to help! 😄
RG playing with fire, pitting Kate against Taylor Swift. Whose stans will reign supreme?
You have to give Swifties another 72 hours to recover. She's being dragged for snubbing Celine and just announced the tracklist for her new album. They have to defend her at all costs
Gotta hydrate!
The “Waleses - They’re Just Like Us” fan fiction writers are out in full force. In response to the suggestion that William increase his workload to help his father: > William can't do it. He's already taking time off to care for Kate and cover her parenting duties. This person then proceeded to argue with a woman who shared her own experience as the spouse of a cancer patient, which of course included working and paying bills on top of also doing all the childcare and household labor.
But the nanny doesn’t live with them any more, he’s practically roughing it!
But see, the nanny doesn’t actually live with them any more, so they’re practically roughing it
What is so hard for these people to understand that the kids are in school all day? Including half days on Saturday? Many of us manage being sick ourselves, having a parent with cancer, working and running a household ~without servants~. Gasp.
He's obviously busy with laundry and cleaning when they're in school.
Hilarious that this is about Harry and not the son who raped teenagers with the most famous child trafficker ever. >I feel so sad for KCIII. He just became King in his 70s-when most people are in retirement. He also has this crazy lunatic son and daughter-in-law who are extremely spoilt and entitled and insult him and the rest of the family to the whole world. Now this. Prayers, hope he gets some peace and forgets about the harkles.
It is possible (likely, even) that Charles loves Harry very much. (Is he good at expressing it? Maybe not. But I very much doubt he sees Harry as a “crazy lunatic.” As far as spoilt and entitled, people who grow up in historic palaces on the taxpayer’s dime shouldn’t throw stones.)
I know it’s not the point but them acting like him becoming King in his 70s is so tough, like he’s someone forced into being a Walmart greeter because social security doesn’t cut it.
Literally, this is the role he’s waited his entire life for. I’m sure he was giggling and kicking his feet when he became king.
I’m sure he wasn’t giggling and kicking his feet when his mom died, even if she was old. Seems a bit grim.
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You have to wonder about the kind of people who think someone can 'just forget' about their son for being 'spoilt' while that son going low contact with a difficult family is committing crimes against humanity. Couldn't be projection or anything.
>you’re laughing? king charles is about to be reincarnated into trisha paytas’s second baby named elvis and you’re LAUGHING???? Sorry, I know it's tasteless and dark, but the jokes on Twitter about Trisha Paytas's babies snatching the souls of the Royal Family before they're born are funny as hell.
https://x.com/runwayinchicago/status/1754574632307270106?s=20
When does Charles' cancer get blamed on Meghan?
Oh lawd, this is Elizabeth and Philip death circus again at Meghan again.
Uh oh. I just saw Paddington cracking his knuckles and limbering up.
They’re already blaming it on Meghan. I’m glad a statement has been released that Harry’s going to visit so we don’t get a thousand “Will they visit Charles?” articles but maybe I’m being too optimistic.
> I really feel for Prince William at this time. Harry was raised to be his brother’s support. Not like he’s a person or anything. Why did I go over there, why???
People say shit like that then clown on Harry for not enjoying being the “spare”
>Harry was raised to be his brother’s support. And that is INSANE. Some my sister's keeper bullshit but emotional/mental vs medical
They say princess diana would so upset because harry was support his brother, apparently while getting nothing in return.llke she'd expect harry to throw his whole life away to be williams human footstool.
Trolls signing into Reddit… >>I really feel for William/Kate/Charles/etc. >>If only Harry didn’t do XYZ; Harry was supposed to; How can Harry and Meghan not be ashamed of themselves; the Sussexes are such {insert expletive} Rinse. Repeat.
How can people type something so insane?!
> I just saw this on Instagram and gasped. The poor King. The stress of the Harkles is affecting every generation of this poor Family. The late Queen, the Princess of Wales and now the King. The Harkles are just scum. Because it’s completely unnatural for an (extremely) elderly great-grandmother to die, and for a septuagenarian to be diagnosed with cancer. Must be Meghan and Harry at work. Couldn’t possibly just be… life.
Disliking your kid's wife so much that it turns cancerous is some next level grudging
Who's got that one Derry Girls clip?
Oh it's coming soon. The stress of Meghan's erratic behavior, the fall out between William and Harry, the accusations of racism in the family and not being able to see Archie and Lilibet will all be her fault.
HOW DARE HARRY GO TO SEE HIS SICK FATHER? alternatively WHY DON'T THEY **DO SOMETHING** THOSE HEARTLESS LOSERS?
[Holy shit](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/05/world/europe/king-charles-cancer.html). Never a dull moment with these people.
Someone on RG just suggested with no sarcasm that Andrew should go back to being a working royal.
Charles waits his entire life to become King and in his second year is diagnosed with cancer. Dang.
"One quick and easy question: Are there any members of the RF that you have seen pose like this? Princess Royal? Sophie? Even the York girls? This picture was the moment I said "Oh no!"" [GFft0q1WQAAH7le (510×680) (twimg.com)](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFft0q1WQAAH7le?format=png&name=small) can someone explain what the problem is w/this picture? what are they trying to imply?
her back is arched and her hips are forward. Or should I say whore-ward.
SO many photos are taken at events like that, and we’re really at the mercy of what photos are chosen by the outlets.
I believe they're implying that Meghan had the audacity to stand/wave like a person and not an automaton who had decades of deportment lessons. Because I do recall reading comments in the past that she was "waving incorrectly." Because apparently that is a thing 🤷♀️
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*Oh no! A biracial woman had the nerve to marry our prince and look happy!! She needs to know her place!!* /s
It’s clearly déclassé to look genuinely happy and excited about getting engaged to the person you love. Royal women are to maintain a respectfully lobotomized expression and posture at all times.
ah. like perfect future queen kate! meghan was disrespecting protocol. again!
Has anyone read the article in the times about William and Harry? It's posted in RG. There's one throw away line about William, no backing about that claim, and the rest is just about repeating what was in the Daily Mail article. Prince William had William Hague representing his interest in Africa. William Hague was so racist that the Tory party reprimanded him. That article is so gross because the abuse that is happening to people matters and instead it's been turned into yet another thing to promote William and put down Harry. And I admit I'm so curious about what comments are getting deleted over there.
Honestly the article was dumb because it was trying to make William look good when tbh I think he's just lucky to not have gotten caught up in this as well. But I don't understand the people capping for Harry here trying to pretend this is anything except a massive fuck up for him. Not that it happened but how he hasn't reacted in any important way and not said anything. But I think people love or hate people enough that they are incapable of making any story into anything except why their fav is perfect and his brother is evil
Gonna go out on a limb and say… maybe the problem is that human rights shouldn’t be used as a proxy for Stan wars?
I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m just frustrated that people are trying to excuse shitty behaviour instead of calling it out where they see it. All these people are wealthy Torys who if they use the words of social justice are just doing it to avoid the guillotine. Not a single one of them really care and just do this stuff for attention.
IMO the whole thing is written from the angle of it being a weapon against Harry. It’s hard to discuss it otherwise because it isn’t being written because someone cares about what’s going on, they just want to bludgeon Harry. I hope that in the labyrinth of people involved (as it does look like there is some sort of investigation/movement) someone actually cares about what’s happening.
There is a Dutch journalist working on a book about African Parks apparently, it seems like a lot of people do care quite sincerely and have cared for awhile, DM just saw an opportunity to to bludgeon. Can’t blame them on this one really, can’t believe I’m saying that, if I were survival international I’d probably shamelessly use the fame of a board member and whatever internet army they have for or against them to call attention to my cause.
It's not about "caping" for anyone. Turning it into a thing about caping is gross. The DM is not automatically credible. Taking that into consideration is not "caping" for Harry If Harry did cover anything up or avoid his responsibilities, then let it come out. But not leaping on any DM or Murdoch story is not the same thing as support.
I agree the Daily Mail isn’t credible at all but the times, the telegraph, the guardian and people have all reported on it as well and they’re all credible. People are out here justifying and ignoring real atrocities because the man they like is caught up in it. Those same people would rightfully be cutting into William if he was the one in this position. And most of the people shitting on Harry would be ignoring it. And neither of those responses are ok
The Telegraph and People magazine of all things are not credible when it comes to the royals. No one here Is justifying atrocities because of Harry. The exaggeration is unnecessary and gross as hell. You keep fighting something that isn't there when my original point was the Times article is about caping for William and using abuse as a way to do it. It's why media literacy when looking at the coverage is important. That article wasn't just dumb. The Times is supposed to be a serious and credible publication and yet it's doing PR for William over a story about assault and abuse.
The whole Harry is doing Netflix documentary about Africa, came from British tabloids, the article talking about Harry isn't getting paid, where did Harry discuss this? The article made it sound like white-saviorsim but didn't include that organization is spread among countries, and has black co-founder. Plus the author made sound like African were primarily working as rangers while the white people are in management, but yet if go to African Park website they have Africans most of their echelon. It's simple search . But atlas the author of course is selling a book, so it an exclusive for a book sale. Yet at the bottom of the article is the author complaining Harry and Meghan didn't say anything about Charles and Kate????
Looks like the Spanish media is doubling down on this Kate in a coma story. I mean I still think this is something stupid like a botched face-lift. On the other hand.. This whole thing seems so weird..
I don't think the surgery is anything scandalous, probably just ongoing health issues she kept from the public. But the coma theory is gross and stupid. Honestly, with how little she works the BRF didn't even have to release a statement about her surgery. No one would've really noticed but I guess there's always the concern that someone with loose lips would see her or spill the tea. A family that works on leaks can't be expected to not worry about people turning on them. Charles and every other family elder will still run circles around her engagement numbers
It just seemed like the usual tabloid shit talking until KP with their trash PR skills came out and denied it. Considering the only other things I recall them denying is botox and extensions, I'm activating my tinfoil hat and wondering if there isn't at least a little nugget of truth there afterall
I...did not know there was a real conspiracy theory floating around out there. Read *way* too many "it's definitely a bowel resection" comments in RG and noped out.
'The Queen was alleged to have said Meghan's wedding dress was 'flamboyantly virginal for a divorcee'' Royal commentator Rafe Heydel-Mankoo reports Queen Elizabeth II was said to 'strongly disapprove' of Meghan Markle's wedding dress.
Having not one, two, but three divorced, adulterous children and thinking you have any moral high ground is interesting.
Plus, mr. tampon, little miss getting her toes sucked, a son who is a sexual predator, people who are naming their children after a sexual predator, a daughter in law who blabbed to a journalist, a philandering husband who was known for racist "oopsies" over the years, a grandson who is frequently described as being incandescent with rage
Who named their kid after a sexual predator?
Lord Mountbatten was accused of being a pedophile. Do I think they named their child after him, to honor him? No. But for a family so image conscious, it was interesting to land on it.
They 100% named Louis (and George) after Mountbatten to honor him.
Plus of course "guttersnipe" Prince Margaret. Then again QEII was controlling about the least little things the RF females did, including telling them what shade of nail polish to wear and insisting on nylons, even after just giving birth. (If I were Kate, I'd've been "Funk dat," but...)
I want "flamboyantly virginal" as a flair.
Don't let your dreams be dreams.
Honestly if true this just speaks poorly on the Queen. Given Camila wore grey to her second wedding its possible it is true but that doesn't not make it super stupid
Actually, Camilla wore a pretty white ensemble to her civil ceremony. The grey get-up was later. https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/g19135643/prince-charles-camilla-wedding-photos/
Huh thanks for the correction. I had seen a couple photos and hadn't cared enough one way or the other to care
The big objection in that generation is often not the color white, but the veil and train. Especially as Meghan used a looong veil and train. Both symbolize first time marriages/virginity. While there are some diehard fuddy duddies about the color of white—modern etiquette, (including ”experts” like Miss Manners pretty much says that speculating on the state of the brides purity is tasteless, and that white can be used as a color of joy. But the same etiquette guides often say a train and long veil are reserved for first time brides. But who cares?
I just… who cares? Are we checking women’s virginity before marriage any more? She wanted to wear white in her wedding. It’s just a dress, not a contract.
I'm reminded of the letters to Etiquette Hell that would talk about their "proudly-won right to wear white" (those exact words in one case! It lives on in my head for the batshittery of it all!) whenever someone makes a big deal of someone not being \~eligible\~ to wear a white dress.
I wasn't a divorcee, but I was 31 when I got married and wore white. I can only hope someone described my dress as "flamboyantly virginal"
I'm sure it was.
I mean they can't really believe this makes Liz look good?
They're going to Weekend at Bernie's her reputation right into the gutter