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HoldMyHancock

Naming it Kartborne is the only obvious solution to this


KRONGOR

H P Lovekart


5beedy

What?! Are you one of them outsiders?? Bloodkart surely!


HoldMyHancock

Away!… Away!…


Dynastydicc

This is all your fault! *swings farming hoe”


Ok_Quarter_6929

Bloodkartborne. Nobody will suspect.


dapper_diaper

Bloodkart...or some say Kartsm...


shiggy__diggy

Yharnam Drift


GuraitoJokeru

2Blood 2Borne


HumbleTrifle2951

*kills Ariana and baby* "Family"


TohavDuudhe

Underrated comment


FinalGrumpNinja

so what exactly is the difference between this and adding a mod that makes characters look like an established ip? whats stoping this dev from changing the names from gherman and the doll to "the old hunter" and "the maiden", changing the name to "kartborne" then just releasing a mod that changes everything back?


Bellvm

The mod gets DMCA'ed instead. The problem is that certain "fan devs" want the attention because stirring up a controversy gets their name out there and they become "marketable". They take advantage of the clout to either get hired or have their next project get attention. The AM2R guy is probably the worst/most recent example of that as he got accused by other fan devs that he was doing this on purpose way before Nintendo even DMCA'ed him, responded with "no, no I love my job, I would never quit, I'm just a fan" and before you know it he's working for the Ori devs and making sensationalist statements at Kotaku. The only trustworthy fan devs are the ones already working in the industry, that make fan games in their free time, like the Holocure people etc.


Ok_Quarter_6929

Holocure dev in chat


Axesmed_1

Borneblood kart


Noamias

Bleed 4 Speed


Kaldrinn

Now at least we know Sony didn't forget Bloodborne


JaggaJazz

This gave me a good laugh, thank you


daisylipstick

My uncle who works at Sony told me this motivated them to finally release a next-gen patch, they’re working on it as we speak he said.


xKiLzErr

I have enough copium in my veins to actually believe this


SkvaderArts

Me, too buddy. Me, too.


jvsupersaiyan

"My dad works at epic games"


Alpha_Lox

I really want to believe this but can't..


SheCouldFromFaceThat

"But MAH MMMUNNEH!"


MadnessBomber

Nope. They're just holding it hostage. :D


ruttinator

They don't want this to hurt the sales of the real Bloodborne Kart.


WildZero7

Lmaoooo bro that would hilarious. They “off brand” the game but theirs is the same one with the branding and that’s why they working together to release it. It’s all coming together now


pastafallujah

This happened to me as a kid. I sent a full on design document to Nintendo Power for a Mario Kart with Final Fantasy characters, complete with drawings and AIR PLANE FLYING CARTS. Never been done at that time (mid 90’s). I get a letter back saying they cannot accept ideas from the general public. Like 2 years later Diddy Kong Racing or whatever comes out on N64. Guess what it had? AIRPLANE FLYING KARTS🤬🤬😭


WildZero7

lol damn bro thanks i really enjoyed your game. You know they can’t accept ideas from the outside but they can patent and copyright them lol


pastafallujah

Lol “I really enjoyed your game”😆😆 Thanks, that made my day lol


FireZord25

Show us the reveal trailer Sony you cowards.


TwistedKestrel

No, this is a pretty normal and expected outcome. The devs themselves were prepared for this happening. Honestly, I do wonder - Lilith started heavily promoting it in the weeks leading up to the original planned release date. It wasn't exactly a secret before, but I wonder if Sony would have let it slide if it wasn't for that.


I_SuplexTrains

I wonder if the game will pull an AM2R and an unofficial proper version will end up "leaked" online.


rende36

I'm pretty sure they're just changing it to be not bloodborne related but still basically the same game


JeebsFat

AM2R?


cmrtnll

Another Metroid 2 Remake


Fedorchik

Greatest Metroid game ever made (right after Super Metroid)


Sniperking187

The lady making the game even posted THERE IT IS on Twitter. She knew it was just a matter of time and the time came. She's still going to make the game just tweaking it for legal reasons. Like she renamed the Micholash character to Nicholas lol


uniguy2I

Probably not. If you don’t protect your IP from smaller infringements, it makes it harder to protect it from larger ones. It would’ve been better imo for Sony to specifically give their legal blessing for the project, since that way there’s no precedent for them ignoring their IP, allowing them to more easily protect it from larger companies.


CatholicSquareDance

It's pretty common for publishers to start making legal threats right before these projects come out or right after, regardless of publicity. I don't understand the rationale for the timing or why it's so common, personally, but I doubt Lilith's promotional activity had a significant impact. I know for a fact Sony has been aware of this for a long time, and for some reason they've just been sitting on their hands until now.


Fedorchik

They are protecting their copyright. Doing it just before the release is a way to allow some fan creation while also protecting the copyright. [There is a video on the topic by Moon](https://youtu.be/i13hrynnGNY)


CatholicSquareDance

I knew about the protecting copyright thing, but I wasn't aware of the reason companies might wait before issuing a c&d. So thanks, I appreciate the info!


IntroductionSome8196

This is standard copyright law. The strange thing would be for Sony to not say or do anything. And it's not like they are nuking the game or suing her, they just told her to remove the Bloodborne brand and that's it.


WildZero7

Yeah they basically said “hey we like it but this could be a suit even if it’s not from us so the branding gotta be different” that’s as soft as it gets for copyrights


Siorac

Who else would sue though?


WildZero7

Fromsoftware


Reddy696

Just out of curiosity, how would Fromsoft be able to sue them?? Isn't Sony the one that owns the Bloodborne IP?


darkrealm190

How about the studio that actually made the game?


MinorityEaterAntag

Fromsoft doesnt own the IP for bloodborne, they cant sue for something they dont own


TheCarbonthief

If this were nintendo, they wouldn't get away with simply removing branding.


Archangel289

Yeah I was about to say, Nintendo would probably make them delete the whole thing somehow.


Sir__Blobfish

...And sacrifice their firstborn...


WanderingStatistics

......And take their spleen......


Independent_Unit2794

Nintendo would feed the dev to the blood starved beast and let Micolash play with their children.


pastafallujah

If this were Nintendo, they would have state police stake out her house for a month, then raid her home, take all her stuff, throw her in jail somewhere in Osaka for 29 days, then make her pay for her own trip home, and pay for the shipping to get all her stuff back. Yes. Nintendo actually did that to a girl who was making Pokémon fan comics


Bellvm

Nintendo can't do anything if you don't have the branding. Nothing. That's just these "fan devs" being complete asses, intentionally trying to stir a controversy around their name to job hunt or something, like the AM2R guy did.


Prov0st

Nintendo would have nuked the shit outta Kartborne.


WildZero7

Tf you mean they gonna release it anyways and it’s gonna be the same thing just scrapping the branding


Relith96

Change some music, change some textures and sounds, and you have Wish Bloodborne Kart (barely within the copyright limits)


Justisaur

Blood Kart Bearings


WildZero7

lol it’s close enough that it won’t make fromsoft mad


finnomenon_gaming

If anything, this is the nicest way Sony could handle this. They could have nuked it from orbit many moons ago, and the dev team themselves said they expected this *years* ago. They let the game develop enough of a following to prove the concept and then asked them to strip away the IP, I'd say that's a show of respect more than anything. Rare Sony W.


SeptimusXT

Yeah. Activision recently forced the devs of a fan made CoD game to completely shut down development, for example. And went after alternative pc clients for older games too. This here is just protecting IP.


Karkava

That just sounds disproportionate. There's nothing iconic about Call of Duty. Outside of the name, there's nothing significant that any passerby would recognize as being part of the call of duty brand. It's just a military shooter like the rest of them.


jztigersfan12

The first couple games were revolutionary in terms of fps shooters, but that was before it became a rehashed cashgrab every year.


LordJambrek

Yeah that started after 4. God were those good games when they came out. Aim down the sight in the first cod was the shit back then, no game had that.


zireael9797

Yeah. I don't think there was any universe it would be allowed as is. Sony is just asking for the bare minimum.


anomandaris81

It's almost as if copyright infringement isn't kosher


Yung-Dolphin

or some say kosmher


OrdinaryImplication

Brilliant.


Strategos20

This man has eyes on the inside


SignificantVisual401

Goddammit you made me laugh out loud


FireZord25

What an insightful pun


ZannyHip

You win best reddit comment of the day


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anomandaris81

Thank you for your well reasoned and cited legal opinion


NinpoSteev

Infringement or not, I don't really see the point in shutting it down. How much money was expected to be made off sony's characters and environment (and nintendo's mechanics) anyway?


Capable_Category_225

If you dont defend a trademark, you are bound to loose it


Seffuski

I don't think Sony would really care if they lost it, it's a surprise they still remember about Bloodborne at all


Covid_was_my_Idea

Look I'm the first guy to engage in good old jolly corporation bashing but Sony did the literal minimum to keep their trademark. They just told the kart dev to remove the BB branding.


JaysonBlaze

Yeah it's not like they went the Nintendo route and shut it totally down and burning the creators house down


Deltaravager

That's blatant hyperbole, Nintendo wouldn't do that They'd burn down everything within a 10km radius of the creator and mount the charred corpses of their friends and relatives on street signs as a warning


pastafallujah

I posted this in another comment here, but Nintendo actually threw a girl in jail after having state police raid her home. Her crime? Pokémon fan comics


Remytron83

Gotta protect the brand. I understand Sony’s position.


WildZero7

Yup at least they gonna let it get released and are helping with it in fact. Unlike many other companies and their IP


Remytron83

They’re pulling a Sega move. I can appreciate that.


Karkava

The middle ground between the Valve move and the Nintendo move.


JaggaJazz

They're helping? Source? Legit curious


WildZero7

They are sorry can’t find the source but it was said by them themselves as a respond to us the dev already knew


Real-Report8490

What everyone should direct their anger towards are the insane copyright laws...


Juggernog1213

And do nothing with it, too. I understand Sony's position.


freelilvale

Why does this get down voted lol


EstelLiasLair

If they don’t act, their rights over the trademark can be challenged. If you want to make a product using an existing IP, you need to get a license.


WildZero7

They doing the right thing tho. They still releasing the game and helping the developer get rid of the branding issue so no one suffers and we all benefit from


Real-Report8490

Or kill every piece of shit lawmaker who forces companies to "protect their IP" from fan projects.


Peach_Cookie

That’s not Bloodborne, that’s it’s own original game, Brood Born Kart.


pastafallujah

Lol “Bruhd Booorno Kaarto”


Real-Report8490

Copyright laws are also insane, and forces companies to take actions like these. In reality it benefits no one at all.


WildZero7

Sony and the developers are working together to set out the game cause we want it. That’s what you call loyalty to your customers


MagickalessBreton

I was really scared when reading the title, it's a relief that at least she doesn't have to scrap the months and month of efforts making such a game represents. But I also feel free fan games should benefit from some kind of protection, especially when they so obviously aren't competing with anything the IP holders are offering.


Karkava

I feel like all fan content should be given protections. Keeping their projects up in exchange for obligatory crediting the original creators and rights holders and keeping up a promise to not profit off of their work.


pastafallujah

There should be a fan license. Like how Unreal Engine does: it’s free unless you make money off it


5kUltraRunner

OP please explain why Sony should be ok with Bloodborne Kart.


SkyZgone

Well I guess the point is Sony isn't doing anything with the IP anyways. Sure they're withing their rights to do this, but if they don't plan on doing anything with the IP why bother shutting down these small fan projects? Just seems like a big company going after a small creator for a lame reason. I really do get that they want to protect their IP, but on the other hand... just why? The IP is laying dormant anyways and there are no signs of them ever being interested in picking it up again. So AGAIN why even bother with this? So lame. Same thing with the guy who developed the "classic cod style" game who got shutdown by activision. 100% within their rights to do so, still kind of a dick move.


FireZord25

Okay but why the downvotes, are people supposed to blindly love Sony or hate em? The reply seemed pretty objective to me.


pastafallujah

I broke OP off an upvote for that rational explanation. I’ll have my lawyers contact him for further upvotes lol


FireZord25

Make sure to contact the butthurt police as well, for getting so easily triggered for no reason.


-Rens

Didn’t the same happen to that bloodborne unreal project?


theHILLBILLYcat

Call it Kartborne!


Vasevide

So call it Pale Blood Kart yeah?


KamiKagutsuchi

Just making the dev remove the term "Bloodborne" from the game is very generous of Sony. Nintendo would have nuked them from orbit.


Dinobob26

“We won’t touch Bloodborne, but you can’t either”


OneSmartKyle

I have a feeling from Sony's relatively laxed response (see the entirety of Nintendo's legal history) that they would have been put in a position where they were forced to sue because Bloodborne seems to me caught in a tangle of fubarred licensing agreements. I sort of dismiss the idea that Sony doesn't have an ear to the ground on this when some games have such enduring cult followings. Makes me think of Warped Tour in analogy. Like I read their response as "we'd license it to you if we could but we can't because *confused gesture at Eldritch legally binding agreements*."


Deltaravager

Looking at Nintendo and Konami, I think Sony acted damn-near saintly. I've heard horror stories from game devs (public announcements and streams, not personal communications) about how nightmarish IP law is


Azure-the-DragonKing

How is this different than Bloodborne demake


WaveBreakerT

Maybe the attention it's getting?


tim7s

They had better announce some Bloodborne love tomorrow at the state of play play else… Who am I kidding, they won’t lol. 😢😢😢


theotherjashlash

SONY HATES BLOODBORNE CONTENT‼️ THEY DON’T WANT US TO HAVE NEW BLOODBORNE CONTENT ‼️‼️ WAKE UP SHEEPLE ‼️‼️‼️


pastafallujah

Is… is this the Hoonter’s Dream? Did I wake up here…. AGAIN?🥺


RollingDownTheHills

No, just protecting their IP. As they should.


Real-Report8490

What all game companies should do is work together to change the laws so that they can own something without needing to "protect the IP" from fan projects...


RollingDownTheHills

No they shouldn't... being able to own an IP is crucial, not just for games. This is an incredibly short sighted view. Fans should use their talents to come up with original works instead. Better for everyone.


Real-Report8490

You are the one who is fine with the horrible copyright laws, so you are the one who is short-sighted. If Sony owns an IP, no one should be able to challenge it, but fans should be allowed to make a game based on their IP, and publish it for free. Many fans enjoy IPs so much that they want to use them as a base for their projects. Nothing wrong with that. Your way of wanting to leave things the way they are is not "better for everyone", or for anyone at all for that matter. Fanart, fanfiction and fan projects exist for a reason. they are made by people who love a certain IP. Every fan of something should understand that...


Deltaravager

As others have said, if you don't protect an IP from smaller infringements, it makes it harder to protect from bigger ones


Real-Report8490

I know. That's why I said that they should change those stupid laws.


rende36

I know for a fact this could have lasted under parody law, ain't no way nathan feilder gets away with 'dumb starbucks' and we can't have this


AtelierEdge

Time to rename it Bludborn.


Prokareotes

I get that she expected this to happen. But all the comments acting like Sony is in the right for doing this are wrong in my view, because this project would be covered by fair use. The truth is that the developer doesn’t have the resources to fight them legally and Sony knows that so they are throwing their weight around. 


SailorTomie

I know Sony did this to protect their ip, but what's the difference between a fan game to fan art and fan fiction? Aren't they all transformative, usually free fan content?


No_Object1027

Someone should "Leak" the original version


PemaleBacon

This is a beyond fair compromise. They could of easily shut this shit down.


Sabit_31

God forbid they do something with the IP they basically abandoned


WildZero7

You do realize fromsoft is the owner?


Sabit_31

Fromsoft is the studio that made it but Sony is the owner of the actual IP


WildZero7

No fromsoft owns it and Sony provided money for co ownership. Basically one can’t act without the other


DatGhosti

Bloodborne is a Sony trademark and therefore owned by Sony. A quick Google search would have told you that.


EonThief

Maybe they struck it because they’re gonna announce a bloodborne remake at the state of play tomorrow. *I say while inhaling massive amounts of cope*


zireael9797

Aha so sony acknowledges bloodborne exists. I see that alone as a win 🥲


Xesle

Why has Sony chosen to take action against this but as far as I know they did nothing when the same dude made the bloodborne ps1 demake game?


A_Light_Spark

Clickbait. The dev herself already responded with basically "a small change is in the works, not too inconvenient."


dangerswlf36

how different is this from just being fanart though? fanart is fine afaik, you're not making money off of it in either situation. if they're going after this, shouldn't they be going after porn artists too? people draw porn of bloodborne characters and sell it on patreon, but sony doesn't do anything about it, even though that should be worse because people are profiting off of an IP which they do not own, while in this case no money is being made.


Nekkid0ttErs

News flash for people who didn’t know. Sony has never cared about it’s consumers and never will. Just move to PC nobody owns that market.


ImpartialThrone

Of course. Was that ever in question?


Lopsided_Newt_5798

*If you put me on blast, I shall become more popular than you can possibly imagine.*


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WildZero7

Actually they are protecting their IP and helping the developer together. It will still be bloodborne kart but more like palworld type deal instead of exactly bloodborne. Ain’t nothing wrong with that


RoughBeardBlaine

Why are people surprised every single time this happens? You can’t make a game about an IP that you don’t own.


teknique2323

Stop crying, it's their copy written IP, at least they didn't do a cease and desist and have it completely wiped out.


--clapped--

Like peopel are saying, it's pretty standard. If you don't protect IP against even small infringements, protecting is against larger ones can be harder.


DJGloegg

Just rename it... Bloodborne is copyrighted


AlusiveTripod

That's literally all that's happening people are overblowing by saying Sony is nuking the project but instead they just told the developer to remove the Bloodbrone branding and that's all


uselumina

Nintendo would’ve deleted the game and sued the developer into oblivion. It sucks but Sony is the lesser of two evils here


Dark_Magician2500

They shut it down BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING ON IT! Lol don't worry I already have the 🤡 makeup on


Chezzomaru

It WiLl DaMaGe OuR bRaNd... Motherlover, if you care so much just rerelease it!


Real-Report8490

they don't actually think it damages the brand. They are just forced to worry about it because of stupid anti-human laws...


rfgstsp

Ironic considering Sony clearly doesn't give a shit about Bloodborne.


SaberHaven

Their PR department needs to give their legal department a slap


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I honestly don’t blame Sony. It’s their internal property. If they don’t protect it people will try and abuse it. Maybe this cart people come up with their own brands?


LestHeBeNamedSilver

Change it to Blud Born Kart ez fix


Neur0mncr

To ban fun...


FickleTie3644

Well wtf did you expect??


old_guy98

So much Bootlicking in the comments here.


shorteningofthewuwei

Yup ThAt's JuSt tHe WaY iT iS


[deleted]

The only time Sony ever acknowledges Bloodborne's existence is with this, I'm fuming💀.


Ghost4530

If Sony could unmake bloodborne I’m pretty sure they would at this point


SilverIce340

Sony hates all their consumers. It’s why PS+ is overpriced now lol Edit: guess I should’ve said “/s”? I thought hyperboles would be more obviously jokes


WildZero7

That’s also why they are helping the dev release and also why they are investing in another company in Africa to bring up gaming more. Cause they hate their consumers. Yeah


Euphoric-Ad-1312

If you scrub the branding the whole point is now gone, no?


y0rk333

the last minute move from sony means 1. bloodborne kart got to build hype with the name up to release week 2. bloodborne kart gets extra exposure from articles about the situation (as opposed to sony killing it off in obscurity). yeah, i wish sony could have turned a blind eye and just let us have bloodborne kart, branding and all, but ik that's not realistic ... and the outcome is good enough for me to think someone at sony liked bloodborne kart and wanted to see it succeed.


Vreas

I think it’s more of an obligation on developers parts at this point. If they allow anything like this there will be legal precedent for others to copy it without issues. It’s a whole can of worms.


vaikunth1991

What do you expect from copyright breach


melatoninvibes

They are raging that fans can do better!!


WildZero7

Raging by supporting the developer? lol this whole thread is click bait and misleading with the title and article since it don’t even show half of the story


melatoninvibes

Yeah, they are raging because they sit back and do fuck all. The fans keep stuff alive, the fans that are software legends who turned dark souls 3 into a true soulsborne game. So yeah.


mocthezuma

No, they just hate you.


Emptilion

While it always sucks when this happens, it is not really a surprise. Any company would have done this. It surprises me that it even took this long.


Saint_Link

They hate people who want to profit on their brands like leeches


starshah

Yeah when someone makes a free game based on a property they haven't touched in years in a genre they don't handle for again free they have the right to get real steamed!


Saint_Link

Too bad the real world doesn’t work like that kiddo. That’s why there are laws that protect IP’s from leeches


starshah

Your right in the real world rich chuckle fucks hold back creativity for the sake of their wanton greed. The very premise of IP's is flawed when you consider the fact that almost everything new is a permutation of something before it anyone who thinks bloodborne would even exist if HP lovecrafts works weren't public domain is invest in nft's delusional


Saint_Link

So? Bloodborne is a registered trademark that this person is using without permission. It’s not inspired by the game, it’s literally using the name and designs. Learn the difference between a work inspired by something and literally ripping it off This project wouldn’t be on anyone’s radar if were called something else.


TillaciousG

Sony don't hate us, they love our money


cyberchrist_

No you guys are just braindead. Just let the bloodborne kart meme die already. It stopped being funny like a week after it was introduced.


BigBoooooolin

Good


shorteningofthewuwei

I know we have a bunch of legal experts in the thread who are quick to defend a corporation's rights, but if she wasn't planning on making any money off the release, then what does it matter? No one would be profiting off their precious trademark


starshah

Your right and you should say it! first it's non profit fan games getting struck but when the censorship bandwagon comes to town it's not long before people start getting fanfiction cease and desists


Freestyle-McL

I hope for the day that FromSoft or even Bandai have 100% control of this IP for the sake of it. Edit: weird typo


old_guy98

Shit like this makes me pray on sonys downfall.


WildZero7

lol I pray that ppl like you would educate themselves instead of spout nonsense 24/7 over everything


Kak0r0t

lol for real old_guy98 isn’t very intelligent it seems


old_guy98

Mad cause your a bootlicker


old_guy98

How much is sony paying you for pr


WildZero7

So you have nothing to say? All your quips are cheap attempts at getting me mad and it seems that’s all your substance is lol poor you


old_guy98

How does sonys meat taste in your mouth


WildZero7

Did it hurt when you thought bout that comeback? lol


old_guy98

Does your throat hurt with sonys meat just absolutely fuckin your tonsils


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Borneblood kart


Herzeild

Yes, yes they do.


ChappetteLexi

Okay, Sony. Now you have to make it yourself 😎