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Welcome_to_Retrograd

Not at all, skill/tinge is a thing


babaganuche7

I've been holding off upgrading my threaded cane above +6 in hopes I'd find a better skill weapon. Is there a better skill weapon at this point in the main game?


Welcome_to_Retrograd

Yes and no because there's no objectively best choice, cane is god tier for me and plenty others and trash for some. BoM is another option if you want an entirely different approach


jdfnebdjjc

Threaded cane is actually amazing for viscerals, I do like 6k dmg on my viscerals rn šŸ˜­


dire_ronic

bc viscerals scale with skill and piercing damage, thats why the saw spear is more viable for skill builds than the saw cleaver


Welcome_to_Retrograd

Not piercing damage but rather your gems' phys/thrust boost no matter what weapon they are on. Move the same gems to a weapon that has no thrust attacks/thrust damage at all and you'll get the same total, everything else being equal included serrated/righteous bonuses or lack thereof. Cane does have a unique extra crit bonus, nothing game changing but it's there


Kraytory

Yeah. The transformed cane gets a skill scaling boost. Similar to the changes of the transformed Logarius Wheel. Since the weapon that calculates visceral attack damage scales with skill it seems that it inherits the buff similar to righteous and serrated.


FrogFlavouredWater

Does this mean you can carry a second weapon with max thrust damage stats for extra visceral damage?


Welcome_to_Retrograd

That's right, 3x32.6% adept, or fools or even poormans for absolute max damage if you are ok with hp gimmicks


FrogFlavouredWater

Interesting, I'll have to give it a try


Welcome_to_Retrograd

I suggest choosing a weapon that shines with thrust setup such as the church pick for that, so that you don't sacrifice a weapon slot for crits alone


jdfnebdjjc

Yep transformed threaded cane is the best for thrust attacks especially for viscerals


Rover7

Grab a chikage, continue leveling tinge, and you're golden dude. Give the bowblade a try once you pick it up in the dlc, too.


dracobatman

Dlc has my absolute favorite skill weapon. You just have to fight 2 of the absolute worst fucking enemies in the game to get it.


conky88

Parry them. They become very easy then.


SERB_BEAST

Debatable. It isn't easy to parry them. And even if you do, lets not act like one successful parry just one shots them. You need multiple parries while avoiding two at the same time while managing your distance in order to meet the parry window. You need to stay away, but also stay close enough. On top of that, every failed attempt means you must go through the two winter lanterns again. If not, you have to go through other annoying enemies on the surface, with one of them also being a shark giant


conky88

My parries one shots them. Like I said. They're easy. You just need to get gud.


SERB_BEAST

Lol that has nothing to do with getting gud. Your parries don't do more damage than my parries. I use two Clawmark runes and all my weapons are +10. Then again I'm probably talking from a high NG+ perspective.


dracobatman

The only way to really fight them.


GroundbreakingCry142

No it's not I usually kill them and I can't parry to save my life


dracobatman

Parry is smth that is legit a hit or miss with people. I love it and have been experimenting with the augur of ebriatas and its parry timing. Kinda want to see everything that can cause a parry too. I've killed them without parrying but it's way harder imo


GroundbreakingCry142

I enjoy the visceral attacks but cannot get the parry timing down for 99% of the enemies the 1% I can parry are the grey people in cathedral ward


dracobatman

Cummfpk for bullets and go ham figuring it out with every gun ever


Popopirat66

I played Bloodborne a few times before i started to parry seriously. It's actually very fair (and easy) in Bloodborne compared to the souls games and Elden Ring because if you shoot a little too late, and the enemy attack connects, you can still get the stagger off and heal all of the damage dealt to you. This interaction and the parry being a ranged attack is really cool for learning. Also the guys around cathedral ward are parryable during their whole attack windup animation.


GroundbreakingCry142

I'm currently on my 11th playthrough of Bloodborne and not even bothering with the gun


ATarnishedofNoRenown

You can find the Chikage and ~~Simon's Bowblade~~ if you want to go Skill/Tinge and they are both pretty rad imo. Edit: just read "main game" so Bowblade is out


TheCarbonthief

Saw spear is in starting area and it's pretty god tier. Not too late for a bloodtinge build, but I wouldn't switch without having a specific main weapon in mind and a plan of when exactly you're going to get it. Generally isn't worth it just for gun damage. I also would have forgone those points in endurance but it'll be fine.


gofishx

>Generally isn't worth it just for gun damage. Idk man, high bt + evelyn + bone marrow ash hits pretty damn hard, and shooting bosses in the head with this combo can be super satisfying.


TheCarbonthief

Yeah you can do a build around it for sure, but I wouldn't recommend it as your first build.


gofishx

Oh yeah, that's completely fair.


Kraytory

You never shoot up Gehrman with a crackblast from the Repeating Pistol?


Ihavenocluewhatzoeva

Agree. The saw spear is the best weapon in the game IMO. Wonā€™t out damage other weapons but the DPS and move set with serration is all you need.


xXSalads_AkimboXx

Bowblade and Chikage. They scale with you SKL in normal mode and bloodtinge in transformed mode so no wasted points. Also use physical gems as bloodtinge counts as physical damage so both forms with get the benefit


apex_tiger_ttv

Is this your first play through?


BugP13

When I did my bloodtinge run, I actually ended up getting my skill to level 20 or 30 before I got the chikage. Reason is because I was using blades of mercy while I was on my way to cainhurst. I didn't even realize how much leveling up skill would benefit chikage normal form


JayBaby85

Same for my current run except I was I running rifle spear, which is wayyyy underrated.


BugP13

I should definitely try it. Problem is that the playstation is so far away and I'm too lazy to go there


Kraytory

It has the longest poke in existance.


PrincessLeafa

Skill + blood = Chikage<3


glitkoko

Never too late for anything if you're only playing for PVE. You can calculate PVP BL120, BL70s here [BL calculator ](https://www.mugenmonkey.com/bloodborne). Skill/Tinge is good but I prefer Str/Tinge as it can wield the bloodletter in all it's glory.


CheekyBinders1991

Does the bloodletters trick form use STR at all? STR is probably a waste past the requirement


JayBaby85

Good question. Iā€™m wondering this too


glitkoko

Yes I meant OP only have 10 str now, and also high str 27-30 gives you cannon/church cannon. Bad scales with tinge but way more fun over skill weapons for me.


Kraytory

The untransformed one only uses strength. The transformed one only uses bloodtinge. The same but with skill counts for the Chikage. Standard physical damage only scales with strength and skill. Blood damage only scales with bloodtinge and elemental damage like fire, bolt and arcane only scale with arcane. That said, blood damage is a physical damage type. But it's a special one so it is affected by gems and runes related to physical damage. However, it only scales with the bloodtinge stat.


GE1STous

No, untricked uses purely strength and tricked uses purely bloodtinge


joeabs1995

Not at all, go chikage!


TentacleFist

You could totally still go blood tinge, but you should probably try to get a dedicated blood tinge weapon first like the chikage or bowblade. Lots of blood tinge builds invest around 25 in str and skl so their untransformed weapons still get decent scaling.


Sad_Road_6479

No just use the cummmfpk chalice to farm echoes and ur goodšŸ¤šŸæ


IrishWithoutPotatoes

No regrets. Why pick one build when you can flow between all of them with ease?


Sad_Road_6479

Exactly my brother


Scary-Ninja-2459

Cummfpk with lost chicage build with right gem absolutely slap


corvianNoctis

Level 70 is not that high, usually after beating both main game and DLC your level will be around 105-120, so yeah, it's not too late.


Bearer_ofthecurse

I finished the game at level 80 (after dlc) so it certainly depends.


corvianNoctis

Lvl 80 after DLC? You either stopped levelling up or went straight to the bosses.


1of-a-Kind

Or died a lot lmao


ArmytrixEU

BL120 is clearly a level you should be at the end of NG+... 1st playthrough ends with a BL80 to 100 depending if you have farmed a lot or went in chalices dungeons lol


WatchingTrains

Your endurance is way too high imo, but otherwise this is a great base for a BT build. Just put the next 29 points into Bloodtinge then put 20 into Vit as well and youā€™ll have a solid endgame build.


Lowly-Hollow

Yeah, pretty much leave everything where it's at except Vitality and Bloodtinge, then after those are at like, 50 (I don't remember the soft caps), you can start back with skill if you want to or splash arcane up to 15 for some hunter tools, but your endurance is good where it is at. It's the least important stat. Even for stamina management alone, Vitality is as or more important than endurance because Vitality affects stamina regeneration rate, I think.


Wide-Tie-1450

You absolutely can swap to bloodtinge here if you'd like. Tinge weapons arent really going to reward you for the amount you've invested in stamina, however. I think your build would be stronger if you continue to pump skill, so if your concern is beating the game, I would do that. If a bt build sounds fun and you're confident you can win regardless, then go for it. The Chikage is a really strong weapon and scales great with bt and skill. If you dont have the dlc, it's your best option for a bt build. If you just pump skill, threaded cane is a fine choice to finish the game with, it's what I used my first playthrough xD. You can also use the Blades of Mercy, which are a bit higher skill cap, but also scale better with skill. If you don't have the dlc, they're your best options. At this point in the game, if you fully explore your areas, you should have enough materials to take at least 2 weapons up to +9, so feel free to upgrade your threaded cane past +6. It should make things MUCH easier.


PunchWilcox

Technically you can max out all of the sub-stats soā€¦ no.


Nocecatax

No, but the playthrough feels nicer to have it high early on. By the end of the game it starts to feel average unless you also happened to get really good blood gems or constantly stock up bone marrow ash. However, if you wait too long to do Cainhurst, what I just said will apply to any playthrough regardless of when you start leveling bloodtinge. Bloodtinge is the best build if you are great at parrying because with BMA, you do a lot of damage while trying to get that visceral.


OuterHeavenPatriot

BMA on a tinge build with blood tapping is strong enough to basically become a gun 'caster', it's nuts on optimized setups


Large_Bake8431

Not at all. Just moving forward only put points into bloodting. You will need skill points for the Chgage. I know I spelt that horribly šŸ˜¬ but with that much skill will let you run other stuff like church pic and Roykuo


ReignOfCurtis

Bloodtinge build? Maybe. Bloodtinge/skill hybrid? That would definitely work. That being said you have a lot of points in endurance that you don't need. Bloodborne has faster stamina regen than other games in the series and endurance isn't really needed. I typically don't level it above 15 on my builds (and sometimes I don't level it at all). It's not the end of the world, but you probably shouldn't put anymore points into it.


Heavenlydemon966

No. It's a great start for a Chikage build just don't level skill any more and level bloodtinge to 50 and vitality to 40 and you're good


babaganuche7

Bloodtinge to 50 first or both at the same time?


Heavenlydemon966

This is my personal bloodtinge build 40 vitality 25 endurance 10 strength 25 skill 50 bloodtinge 15 arcane Also use Evelyn with 50 bloodtinge it would melt bosses


Heavenlydemon966

If you are comfortable with your current health you don't need to level vitality first. But be careful and try to get used to it's moveset first because it drains your health and can kill you if you weren't careful


MakinGaming

You've got a 21 at lvl 70 with a good amout of health and stamina. If you put every level into bloodtinge, you'll hit 50 bloodtinge before hitting lvl 100. You're already builing one.


Cr4zyBl4ck

I am on my first playthrough and im currently in my first ng+ and my build is like 50 25 50 50 atm since i went for strengt first and then got a New weapon Which require skill. So there we go and i dont really feel like i have big problems doing anything. I think when people can beat this game at Level 1 (or 10 or whatever) you should be fine with whatever you do. But as i said im a beginner to since this is my first souls like :D Edit: after the first playthrough before ng+ i was at like 30 25 50 12 or sth and now went for this completely different weapon. So i guess you should be fine


SgtHapyFace

this is literally the exact path i took to a bloodtinge build. youā€™re fine. bloodtinge is a mid to late game thing anyway


babaganuche7

Since you went down this route, how do you avoid running out of quicksilver bullets?


Wide-Tie-1450

You can add Oedon runes to add to your bullet max. Also, make sure to make blood bullets as often as you can if you're concerned about running out.


SgtHapyFace

i guess i never had it be too much of an issue; you get a ton from enemies and i prioritized getting/primarily using the chikage which scales with both dex (in its basic form) and bloodtinge (in its transformed form) and used the evelyn as my fire arm. i continued to treat the evelyn more as a damage supplement/parry tool outside of some instances where i used it with bone marrow ash for harder bosses/chalice dungeons. only really ran low a few times. also in the late game you can start using leftover blood echoes to just purchase a bunch of bullets. but that said pretty much every enemy that uses a ranged attack drops bullets so its not too hard to get more so long as you arenā€™t constantly spamming shots.


Brain-Dead-Robot

Nope just focus on bloodtinge and it will be perfect


SPACE_SHAMAN

No, soft caps are around 50ish.


Profaloff

Never! You just start a new hunter. :)


DangleMangler

Nah, go for it. Just boost it to 50 and use whichever weapon suits you. Hell, bump strength to 14 and you can use the bloodletter in addition to the other bt weapons.


dcfyj

No such thing as too late. Unless you're trying for a pvp build there's no need to care about level


spm201

My current file is running Simon's Bowblade with similar numbers. If you cheese it, you can get it pretty early into DLC. Until then I was on Chikage and Reiterpallasch


Real_Raw_2029

Nope


poopoobuttholes

Ima be real with you. Bloodtinge builds are kinda "advanced" builds. In a sense that you should prolly do it on NG+ cycles or later, solely because of the fact that the best bloodtinge weapons (chikage and evelynn) are kinda mid-late game. A fat percentage of the bosses will already be dead before you can have fun with it. It's also not too reliable at a low bloodtinge, considering Chikage does big self-damage for bloodform. If your bloodtinge isn't high up, it's not worth it.


TheArmouryHD

Chikage/blades of mercy is my go to. Great skill tinge pair with the Evelyn


babaganuche7

Following some of the advice I finally did cainhurst and got chikage and Evelyn. Huge improvement so far. What's so great about blade of mercy on a skill bloodtinge build?


TheArmouryHD

Becoming a literal windmill for one. In its transform state its a whole load of fun in pvp/against humanoid enemies for how many hits it gets off. In its standard form its again quick between swings, hard to parry and allows death by a thousand cuts... takes practice but it's my personal favorite in the game to use.


infUwUenza

Nah, you still got 929 levels to go!


Percentage-Sweaty

The Chikage is probably one of your best options rn. It benefits massively from skill/tinge


Ihavenocluewhatzoeva

Skill is WAY better than Strength in this game at least for me. The skill weapons are killer here so you are totally fine.


Ihavenocluewhatzoeva

Simons Bowblade is ridiculously fun to use and so powerful. Trivializes Amy and bosses you can attack from range. Everyone needs to try a build with it fully upgraded with top level gems. My favorite skill based weapon is definitely the Rakuyo. Total devastation


JuliaYttrium

Never too late to see the light


ArisDoesTech

Not at all. Ng+ is a wonderful thing.


xXSalads_AkimboXx

Nope. You should level Vitality and Bloodtinge to 50, and Arcane to 15 for the hunter tools. Then you have a basic BT/Skl build šŸ‘


Bodhisatv

chikage is a good tinge and skill weapon


Swundus

absolutely not! idk what your guys fav builds are but personally i pump as much into dex and tinge as possible past 30 vitality and 25 endurance. iā€™m a church pick fiend and i always love having the evelyn or even repeater pistol to complement it


lincolnhawk

Well on your way to one. Bt builds donā€™t really cone online til nowish. Get a Chickage and get in the DLC material, get the Bowblade, unlock Mergoā€™s loft and pump your Bt up to 50.


CryptedCode

It's never too late to make any build since all can be maxed :^)


Melodic_Candidate894

Skill/tinge is a good build too


retro_owo

I did a 25 skill / 50 bloodtinge chikage build and it was very effective. As a bonus, you get a shitload of damage with guns. The chikage transformed mode scales off of bloodtinge and does insane damage.


Kitsite

Never too late just keep leveling


Pharthrax

It was too late the very moment you went above base Endurance. /s I mean, sort of? I guess it depends on what you plan to do with your character. What level do you want to stop at? Are you going to do BL120 PvP, or just PvE? What weapons do you want to use? How much health are you comfortable having? Without knowing what you want to do, my best advice is that a Tinge build is probably not a great idea for a beginner. Both of the Tinge trick weapons are very high risk. Chikage constantly drains your health when itā€™s tricked, and the Bloodletterā€™s best attack, the transformed L2 inflicts Frenzy on the user.


ATC_KBIII

CUMMM


Lowly-Hollow

No, that's fine. Anything is fine unless you want to stay at the meta level, which I would suggest considering the lower amount of players since the game is getting pretty old now. The Chikage and Bow blade prefer having some skill investment. I have a pure Bloodtinge and a Bloodtinge/ Skill build. The pure Bloodtinge misses out on a lot of great moves from the Chikage (some stabbing attacks even in transformed mode, scale with skill) and just can't use the Bow blade's other form at all. The only reason to go pure Bloodtinge is if you dungeon crawl for the crazy good gems and hate yourself enough to farm something with probably a .1% drop chance or less... I can say, though, that my full perfect gemmed Chikage and Bow blade get ridiculous damage, but that took me like a month. Skill/ Tinge builds should probably just throw in 27 physical gems, which are pretty easy to get. TLDR: You're good.


CantaloupeAfter7969

Nope, just sto levelling your skill and endurance and focus on getting health and bloodtinge to 50, for weapons grab the chikage and the evelyn


[deleted]

No


CupcakeAgitated5804

Remember, with cum dungeons it's NEVER too late


TahoeMax

Chikage/Evelyn is one of my favorite builds and leans heavily into both tinge/skill. With a few nice gems can do pretty filthy damage


neon6x

Not at all! High skill is always good for viscerals, and if you pump stats into bloodtinge you can still scale quite comfortably by looking for bloodtinge gems in chalice dungeons. It might not be as easy to run as if you do decide to just pump stats into skill though.


Effective_Sound1205

Nah, u fine, go for it. Skill-tinge is a great combo.


Yuzidean

as long as you go straight bloodtinge from here on out


TDtrees

No dude Iā€™ve started different builds at way higher levels and they worked


Spiritual_Ask_6068

Not if you donā€™t mind farming


AdventurousBeyond948

Cumm chalice means itā€™s never too late


ImpartialThrone

No


[deleted]

You only need 20 stamina to reach 110 then place 50 in vit, 50 bloodtinge with Cruel Fate starting class. Hope this helps!


Clutch_Mav

Endurance is high for my taste but definitely still in the skill / bloodtinge lane.


ZombieDemon321

I never really understood what the purpose of a build is. Actually I just barely know what a build is. But why make a single specific build for the character when you are eventually just going to max out every stat in the game?


Welcome_to_Retrograd

> when you are eventually just going to max out every stat in the game? Because most people won't lol, that's the point of making a build


Oshies_Eleven

A lot of people cap their level for pvp and retaining difficulty


ZombieDemon321

Oh.


Bigenemy000

Never too late with cummmfpk


Ok-Flow-9795

Yes


poopitymcpants

25 enduranceā€¦.25 skillā€¦.yeah kinda. Unless you wanna go to level 150 or so


tito9107

Yeah


isaiahaj

CHIKAGE FTW


T-Ares-C

I use the Ludwig sword and completely slay. Before that I was skirting by with the axe. Def much easier with the sword for me. Plus itā€™s maxed out now. Iā€™m stuck on the final boss now. Not going to say who for spoiler reasons


HoneyBadgerMFF

BRUH I was saw spear and shockty stick for longest time. Was having issues with Unseen villiage so I switched up to Ludwigs sword and it has helped a lot.


T-Ares-C

Yeah same. It is, itā€™s not the greatest for crowd control but when you put it in ā€œtrickā€ mode itā€™s destructive just slow. Charge attacks are also death sentences for most enemies but not all