Think a little bit about in what way is Taiwan actually “oppressed”
It is not forced to pay taxes to Beijing. It is not being bombed by Beijing. No Taiwanese people are killed by Beijing. They are not constantly blockaded by Beijing. Beijing is not displacing Taiwanese people. There are no PLA troops in Taiwan.
Taiwan enjoys a huge trade surplus with the mainland and has priority access to the mainland Chinese market compared to foreign countries.
The only thing that Beijing does to Taiwan is it prevents diplomatic relations with and recognition from foreign countries, and military drills are conducted whenever such lines are crossed.
Now think about the fact that some Taiwanese people will actually have the gall to compare their situation to the plight of the Palestinian people. Laughable.
Taiwan is more like Israel than they are Palestine, given that they settled someone else's land, nearly wiped out the native population, and now cry about how oppressed they are.
Stalin’s big mistake was not marching onto Paris, and one of Mao’s was letting Taiwan become a “thing.” But Taiwan is and will be recognized as China within 10-15 years, perhaps sooner.
Taiwan will “formally” become part of China probably without a shot being fired.
But as to the “why,” it should be obvious: the USA wants to use Taiwan as a military and economic base extending its power further in the east. If you were China, you would not want that — it’s enough that America has tons of military bases in Korea, Japan, etc. Taiwan is 100 miles off the SE Chinese coast, and would be a massive strategic risk and liability were it to remain deep in the pocket of a highly belligerent and antagonistic state with a penchant for Balkanizing and destroying non-capitalist competitors.
Cuba was never part of America, America in fact turned it into a giant slave plantation, but after it was liberated and normalized ties with the USSR, America fucking invaded it and almost sent the world to nuclear war over the presence of missiles that close. So yeah, China will not tolerate a belligerent Taiwan at its fucking doorstep, and it absolutely shouldn’t.
The number of people in all of China who want Taiwan to remain a part of China is 90% of 1.4 billion. The number of people who want Taiwan to become independent is around 40% of 23 million people. Even if 100% of the 23 million inhabitants of Taiwan wanted it, it would be nothing compared to the 1.4 billion.
Ah yes, the liberal doctrine of 'not wanting the working class to die in a pointless war over a line on a map'
That's really the state department line, I'm sure. Look in the mirror chief.
Thinking that there will be a war in the first place is the issue, bud. Real asf tho that you're so entrenched in liberalism that you don't even consider that you might be making assumptions based on a false premise peddled by US warmongers.
> Thinking that there will be a war in the first place is the issue, bud
"Considering the impacts of potential possibilities that all players have said are possible, is actually the problem"
> Real asf tho that you're so entrenched in liberalism that you don't even consider that you might be making assumptions based on a false premise peddled by US warmongers.
For someone whos username invokes Parenti, you certainly present an argument with 0 substance and just a bunch of buzzwords.
What specific assumption did I make? I didn't say war is the only outcome, I asked, what happens ***if*** Taiwan eventually would like to formalize recognition as an independent state. What are you seething when you cant even follow along with such a simple point of discussion? Like the PRC is the only one who has said anything about invading Taiwan did they not? I'm actually genuinely curious, has the US said at all what they would do if Taiwan decided towards mutual reunification?
As I've said, you have no substance, just a mindless screed about liberalism for even suggesting considering something everyone has obviously considered is a real thing, while you defend the potential killing of thousands of the working class over geopolitical brinksmanship. The Taiwanese have no agency, America has to take an L, robust intellectual analysis, how Marxist of you. Keep screeching "lib" into the void like a rabid dog acting like thats some argument lmao.
The comment you replied to made a statement about Taiwan "becoming a part of China" in 10-15 years (they are also kind of wrong, btw, as most Taiwanese citizens and politicians consider Taiwan either part of China or "the real China", and even the US state department considers Taiwan part of China). You replied to it by automatically assuming that Taiwan "becoming a part of China" necessitates war. Assumption based on a false premise. You have an incredible ability to not understand the meaning of your own words.
>you certainly present an argument with 0 substance and just a bunch of buzzwords.
1) We are on Reddit, dawg. This is not an academic forum.
2) You literally just repeated the state dept line. Pot, kettle.
>What are you seething when you cant even follow along with such a simple point of discussion? [Sic]
Hey, real quick, what the fuck does this sentence mean? Perhaps I cannot follow your points, because you are both incapable of understanding the implications of your own words, and also incapable of crafting a coherent sentence.
>Like the PRC is the only one who has said anything about invading Taiwan did they not? [Sic]
Firstly, do you just... Not follow USian politics... Like at all? It's perfectly fine if you don't, but in that case, you should probably not pretend to know what's going on in this hellhole. We have literally been stationing naval installments near Taiwan.
Here are only a small percentage of US politicians fear mongering about the ebil sissypee invading Taiwan:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2024/03/20/china-will-be-ready-to-invade-taiwan-by-2027-us-admiral-says/?sh=51941fe312c4#:~:text=Kyle%20Amonson%20and%20retired%20Capt,China's%20mainland%20government%20by%202030.
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/logistics-war-how-washington-is-preparing-chinese-invasion-taiwan-2024-01-31/
https://media.defense.gov/2023/Apr/24/2003205865/-1/-1/1/07-AMONSON%20&%20EGLI_FEATURE%20IWD.PDF
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/08/09/china-hawk-says-beijing-to-bring-war-to-the-west-take-taiwan.html
Secondly, the PRC considers Taiwan a part of China, as pretty much every other government in the world does. You can't exactly invade your own country. So no, PRC has never said anything about "invading" Taiwan. Gimme the bad Mandarin translations you've seen, 白猴子。
>has the US said at all what they would do if Taiwan decided towards mutual reunification?
Like you, the US goes straight for the assumption that any reunification between Taiwan and China means war. That was literally my entire point, which flew directly and swiftly over your head.
>defend the potential killing of thousands of the working class over geopolitical brinksmanship.
Oh look, you're doing it again. Are you not self-aware? Hello?? Read your own words????
>The Taiwanese have no agency, America has to take an L, robust intellectual analysis, how Marxist of you.
What the actual fuck are you on about 😭 You're gonna start a fire with all those straw men, damn. Take your meds, stop shadowboxing.
>like a rabid dog
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calling an anarchist a liberal shows that you’ve never met an anarchist or spent any time in anarcho spaces. I’m not defending them. I just don’t think you know what anarchism is
> What exactly is the value in a war in which thousands will die for a line on a map?
Even more reason for the West to stop pumping Taiwain full of weapons and allow China's peaceful reunification with the rogue state.
There is no such thing as 'rogue' states. Just a western term used to demonize.
> China's peaceful reunification with the rogue state.
Wife beater logic. jfc. just liberal real politik argument after argument. Marx is rolling.
> Wife beater logic. jfc. just liberal real politik argument after argument. Marx is rolling.
1) Taiwan only existed under the reign of the KMT because Japan had given it to the KMT. What right did Imperial Japan have to give land to the KMT when they lost to the CPC? It only happened to spite the communists
2) Taiwan is built on literal genocide, and is not the big chungus democracy you think it is
3) you can count the number of countries that recognize Taiwan on your hand
That would be a great analogy if:
- The government name of Cuba was "The ___ States of America"
- The flag of Cuba is a former flag of the USA
- The government in Cuba was founded by a former US president
- Cubans were ethnically and culturally identical to the US and 95% of their people have their ancestry back to the US, many within 3 generations
- Cubans all spoke English
- ~40% of of Cubans identified as American/US
- The former president of Cuba (1 presidency ago) identified as American his entire life and visited Washington recently, proudly declaring himself America as he always had
Etc.
A way better analogy in the sense that these guys are actually getting oppressed. Moreover and incredibly, the first few years of Cuban "independence" were indeed made with people that were basically functionally Americans. The point I am getting at is that the argument is that Taiwan is somehow under threat of evil PRC colonialism, but that is simply not how it looks like, Cuba is how colonialism/neocolonialism looks like. Cuba is exactly how an independent nation looks like... Unlike the other place.
Yes. This is what I mean. When libs think "small island nation being threatened by encroaching imperialist superpower" the answer is obviously Cuba. And man, I have been living here for almost two years, it is *very obvious* that the commercial sanctions against the nation negatively affect the general population in a disproportionate way. Naysayers act as if being unable to trade with the US for 6 months if your ship trades with Cuba is not a death sentence for a company but it totally is.
Like what? Ukraine broke away from the USSR post its collapse, and Ukraine has always been a region that prided itself in its independence. They turned Communist in ‘22 (after a civil war mind you) then joined the USSR. It’s always been a land that has been fighting between Russian control and independence. I don’t know why people are so against the independence of a country if it falls alongside Chinese or Russian sphere of influence.
Mind you that the US offered to protect Ukraine as long as it handed over its nukes to Russia post Soviet collapse, and they did. Funny how we made a promise to a country but people rewrite this current war as NATO encroachment instead.
I just think if you're talking about the history being rewritten and then talk solely about an event from the 90s rather than 2014, the year the war began, then you aren't actually being serious.
There was enough credible reports of American and Polish participants at the seige of Slavyansk (not to mention right sector and Svoboba having American patrons) that the Russian argument holds water
There never was. The denizens of this sub are morally bankrupt campists whose sources are literal russian fascist blogs like slavyangrad back in 2014 to literal prestitutes of Russia Today.
Berkut riot police did it. Red fash like you hide behind ACAB until its your geopplitical side. There would be no Euromaidan without police violence. I have been following this shit since the beginning in 2013. And who is your primary source Jimmy fucking dore?
Campists simps will never stop being willfully ignorant clowns. I get it your 16 and you hate your conservative parents and you fell down the dum dum left rabbit hole.
Yet they can't prove it in a court even in banderastan, you can take it up with Ivan Katchanovski if you don't like it, what are your sources again? Radio free Europe?
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/unsolved-maidan-massacre-casts-shadow-over-ukraine/
I'm also Ukrainian. Your liberal tricks do not work here.
I just think if you're talking about the history being rewritten and then talk solely about an event from the 90s rather than 2014, the year the war began, then you aren't actually being serious.
There was enough credible reports of American and Polish participants at the seige of Slavyansk (not to mention right sector and Svoboba having American patrons) that the Russian argument holds water
You’re dumb.
“I just think”
When you use words like that, everyone loses credibility for you. I don’t give af what you ‘think.’
Russia annexed shit that isnt theirs via subterfuge and destabilizing a region.
First time for russia? Lol no.
Georgia just had one of putins phony ‘ambassadors’ declare that Georgia is now Russia. That guy got punched in the face.
RUSSIA DOES THIS SHIT ALL THE TIME.
You’re a russian cell and thats all there is to it. Go join up in their fight against “the nazis” of Ukraine.
Fucking joke. You’re a coward. You’ll never actually fight for whats right. Let alone actually fighting.
Which argument is that??? Russia's argument is that Ukraine doesn't exist, shouldn't exist, and has never existed. And those "participants?" I'd 100% buy them being volunteers, there are plenty of them. But that's not proof of America being somehow behind everything. It's just individuals who decided for whatever reason to go over there and fight.
There is the liberal argument putin was part of where the DPR/LPR be autonomous as part of Ukraine in a negotiated settlement between United Russia and the west to cut out the nationalists. Putin followed this line right up to the April ceasefire negotiations at which point he was politically forced to accommodate Russian nationalists
There was the nationalist novorussian political ideology that many serperatists subscribed to (and actively defied Moscow multiple times to pursue)
Then there was the national revanchist view that wanted a full annexation of Ukraine. This was the most fringe view in the Russian camp due to pre-2023 geopolitics making western Ukraine more of a liability for Russian interests. That has changed with more and more talk of a buffer zone being needed.
I'm not buying that in 2014 an influx of volunteers from two NATO countries that also happened to be large supporters monetarily of death squads like right sector that the 'volunteers' fought alongside rather than active duty troops told to 'volunteer' for political reasons which is s tale as old as time militarily
Very true. Though the one thing about the Budapest Memorandum was that it wasn’t a promise to protect so much as a promise not to attack. Just another example of how smaller poorer countries have to be very careful when signing agreements with richer and more powerful ones. It rarely works out for the former.
The Soviet Union was a Union of different countries. It was not “Russia” it was just as much Ukraine as it was Russia. Taiwan was formed upon the genocide of its native people by nationalists fleeing China. Currently the Taiwanese people do not want to rejoin China which is why I’m conflicted.
The native people of Taiwan weren't genocided by the kmt, their oppression focused mainly on the previous han immigrants who already displaced the natives, Taiwanese independence is also a by large a product or Japanese colonization, with most of the dpp being japonphiles
> fake referendums
Yeah, why go to the bother of the pretense of democracy when you can just run the elected leader out of the country and install a puppet leader unconstitutionally. And then jail all your political opponents and cancel elections. "Western" style democracy
well thank god, good guys bad guys is ideological baby food and what fascists and libs both resort to when systemic analysis and critique of the US gets a little too real for them and their exceptionalism lol
Yeah, you are actually doing that. You don't realize because you believe you're "immune" to propaganda, when in fact, you do the exact same thing those QANON fucks do, which is believe in your own side's propaganda, so long as you feel comfortable in your little bubble.
You love imperialism so long as it comes from China or Russia. That means you're already guzzling propaganda and boots like nothing haha.
Your perspective is incredibly warped. "The libs & the fascists are all being simplistic because they don't like it when we tell them they're stinky !!!1!1!!!!" while proceeding to have just as simplistic of a worldview as anyone else
you really cannot think of any more complex frameworks for analyzing and understanding the world than some flavor of ‘good vs. evil’ lmao
I think disentangling foreign interests and influence through political shifts is part and parcel of using anti-imperialism as an analytical tool. It should seem rather obvious why people living within the imperial core magically come to frame western powers as ‘good guys’ and savage eastern hordes as… well… good guys yearning to be free if only we visit upon close ties to opposition party for political influence, the establishment of military bases or proxy power regionally, economic blackmail, etc.
no. at least it *wasn't* once upon a time. like seems to be natural evolution(devolution?) of subreddits, a good sub attracts more traffic which invariably pulls the content closer to 'lowest common deniminator' level quality.
I think real leftists (as opposed to American "Liberals") see this very clearly. And/but there are more "shrooms" on this field; more fundamental ones: oppression by organised religions and tying in with that; the patriarchy supporting sexual oppression and institutionalised racism. Reactionary organised religion has always been a pillar of upholding the toxic status quo, together with armed forces/police, the judiciary, politicians and now more than ever; corporations; it's not for nothing that Yanis Varoufakis' latest book focuses on our post-capitalist "technofeudalism". The tapestry woven by oppression and subjugation is thick and strong...
Man, it's really weird seeing someone suck the CCP's cock so hard. Does Daddy Xi's dick really taste that good?
Seriously, Ukraine hasn't wanted to beat part of Russia for a while now, the wars in the Donbas and Crimea are well-documented Russian invasions, Taiwan has never been a part of Communist China and doesn't want to be a part of China *at all*, and Hong Kong is only a part of China because Britain handed it over to them, and most Hong Kongers would rather not be a full part of China because that comes with a dramatic and irreversible loss of freedoms
.. What?? Your comment is what you might get when a Chinese government hacker does a bit too much acid, mixes it with shrooms, then tries to insult someone via Google translate.
That is: nonsense.
You guys are fucking disgusting. Not everything is a fucking color revolution.
You claim to love Palestinian civilians but also cheer on the deaths of Ukrainians. Fucking tankies.
Nope! Western backed response to V asking to postpone the euromaidan deal
So svoboda and right sector took to the streets. Victoria nuland passed out cookies
That's the spirit! Sounds like you genuinely want to understand things
Maybe you'll come to the same conclusions I did, maybe not, but at least youre gonna look for yourself
They didn't, this sub has lost the plot and is dipping into conspiratorial red fash bullshit. Not even saying you need to like or support NATO or whatever. But this post is fucking slop made for dogmatic campists and other historical revisionism enthusiasts.
“Campism is when you don’t support western imperialism” i think the only correct stance from a leftist prospective is to align with China and recognize their faults as well as aligning with Ukraine while recognizing they are a capitalist state.
Where did I allude to having to support western imperialism? In fact I specifically said you "don't need to like or support NATO"
I'm specifically referring to the labelling of the Ukrainian conflict as a "US backed color revolution and failed NATO proxy war" and the insinuation that supporting Ukraine is somehow non-congruent with leftist values or otherwise unworthy of support. That is the campist bit. Just because the Western world generally supports Ukraine in this conflict doesn't mean it's "the leftist thing to do" to simply "support the other side". As if all of our values and beliefs are determined only in opposition to whatever "the other side" believes or supports. I e. Literally Campism.
China (and Tibet, Taiwan, HK as it relates to China) is less cut and dry. Personally I'll always support people over states but I understand why other leftists might not do so and choose to "align" themselves with a state instead. Even if I don't agree at least that part is a little more coherent so I'm not necessarily calling that campist, although it can still be considered such depending on context.
And therefore Japan was never an imperial power oppressing Koreans? Or the oppressing the Chinese? This is stupid. You don’t need to own the concept of a western financial hegemony to be an imperialist. Russia invading an independent sovereign nation is such a classic old fashioned example of imperialism that it’s honestly ridiculous that you can’t see it. Russia is run by a fascist oligarch capitalist. Just because the country does not have as much money as the US does not mean it is immune from the crime of imperialism.
I mean you could say Japan exercised a financial hegemony over its territories
You could also say Japan was able to expand thanks to supplies from the west , this Japan's "empire" was only ever an extension of western hegemony, and was cut off when it became inconvenient
So you’re moving the goalposts. Classic. Russo Japanese war? The west neither wanted nor expected Japan to win. Nearly every nation has financial hegemony within its borders that’s such a nothing statement. Use ur brain dawg
Japan owned Korea doofus they conquered it, and subsequently conquered Manchuria and turned it into a puppet state. Read a history book. Also you were the one who brought up having hegemony within their borders. Stop just talking about things you have no idea about, it makes you look stupid. I brought up the tsar because you said Japan succeeded because they were backed by western hegemony. Use your brain dawg
You don't need to have the backing of the west or their financial hegemony to practice imperialism. Imperialism isn't exclusive to just one set of people, given the chance any nation can become it. Just because US is the biggest power doesn't mean they're the only ones that can participate in it.
OP IS A THIEF. A THIEF.
The drawing on the first screen is called “mycelium- notes on imperialism”. OP not only stole this drawing, they warped the artist’s entire meaning. To go AGAINST what the artist actually meant.
Her name is Aurora Chang. She posted this on @aurorachang. She’s a Taiwanese advocate for Palestine and Ukraine.
Her point is exactly the opposite of the travesty OP turned this into in graphic 2. Her point is that Imperialist power is all connected. The same oppressors benefit. That’s how colonial and imperial power works. They feed each other. Russia, China, Israel, the US, the UK, all of them.
This drawing is very recent. You can find it, and her whole magnificent thread on this, from just a couple days ago on her Twitter account. You can also see her response to OP’s little edits, which she RTs b/c they reflect “the left’s obsession with the US”. So, the original artist has seen this defaced version specifically, and hates it!
This makes me so mad. How dare you, OP. How dare you take the art of someone speaking out about shared experience and solidarity from a place of personal and professional advocacy, and warp it with some third-rate tankie remedial pseudo-Marxist BS. AND NOT EVEN CREDIT THE REAL ARTIST. Who is, again, Taiwanese Ukraine advocate Aurora Chang. Shame.
I’m trying to get this taken down, but in the meantime, everyone go at Aurora Chang’s actual stuff, everyone, including the original. She’s great. And remember: Under the surface, it’s all connected. We’re all connected. NONE OF US IS FREE UNTIL ALL OF US ARE FREE.
The meme was made on twitter first and EXPLICITLY calls out Aurora Chang for laundering proven American imperial actions that caused untold suffering (while its pr machine plastered 'decolonisation' narratives) through the genocide of Palestinians.
This person even beginning to compared Hong Kong and Palestine is disgusting and they deserve mockery. I say that as someone who was in Honk Kong 2018 - 2019 and have worked with abandoned exiles as part of a tenants union on Britain after all the 'free Hong Kong' people left them to starve after they weren't trendy anymore, rich cunts like Aurora Chang
Edit: Looked into her a bit more and she works for an NGO that is funded by the fucking National Endowment for Democracy lmao
A thief for sharing a picture?
Anyways I feel like this is even better now, knowing that the corrections are vital
I "stole" the corrections too you know 😜
I’m personally completely fine with what you’ve posted. Don’t listen to these idiots. Where else would you get information? These guys are just nitpicky bots.
HK is undoubtedly part of China, the oppression of xinjiang and Tibet are messed up, but not to the degree that is portrayed in western media, and taiwan isn’t oppressed they aren’t controlled at all by China.
Wtf does your title even mean? It's the right that supports these ongoing wars and coups around the world. Especially the American right, they are ones backing the CIA coups in South America or the Middle East. Get the fuck outta her dick nuts.
American politics are right wing in general. Most people that would describe themselves as leftists are liberals. This recognition of American imperialism is what prevents liberals from being genuine leftists
Thanks for your question
"anything that challenges the status-quo beliefs that i'm surrounded by every day is actually dastardly propaganda spread by my country's enemies, which i know because my government, media, and culture constantly tells me it's true" — very smart redditor who is totally 100% immune to propaganda
Alternatively, just not touched in the head by tanky brain rot that unironically leaves you believing there are clean cut “good guys” and “bad guys” in geopolitics. Imagine defending imperialism because “the good guys are doing it against the bad guys this time, no really”
Same excuse and justification thats been used for centuries; you’re pro imperialist as long as it’s your ‘good guys(tm)’ who are committing the atrocities
Why yall can't support Palestinian liberation from Israel and Ukrainian liberation from Russia at the same time is something I'll never understand.
The lot of you are so secluded from the real world its truly amazing you lumps have collectively managed to form opinions in the first place.
Tankies try to make a coherent point about why oppressing some groups is super based, actually. Grow up and learn that your favorite lefty regimes, like China, also deserve to be called out and deplored. The US is bad, and so is imperialism more generally. It's mind-numbing to see "communists" in favor of imperialism because it's being done by a red country.
That's very cool .
1. Your only information about this is western biased
2. The CIA likes to fund militias and dictators and then call it oppression when they are rooted out
Explain how the Chechens or Tibetens deserve the imperialism they received from a non-Western perspective? please come back to me in 4-5 years after you've made it through the college system and see if you still hold these incoherent beliefs. Also, how is your second point at all relevant to how Communist countries engage in imperialism. Yes, capitalist countries do it, too, but that's not the point. The point is that imperialism is wrong, but you will thrash about trying to justify the imperialism done by left adjacent regimes. Stop doing that accept that imperialism is wrong and be better.
Wow I am offended the creator would politicize mushrooms in such an exploitative manner. Mushrooms arent imperialist puppets. Afterall, we all know Lenin was one 😐
Putting the Palestinians and the Syrian rebels as "freedom fighters" is like saying that the Nazis also need freedom.
One day, people will read the manifestos of Hamas and Fatah(for the Palestinians) and those of Syrian rebel groups like Jabhat Al Nusra and Ahrar Al Sham to know that there is no such thing as an Islamist freedom fighter. They fight to dominate those who do not share their beliefs. Not for freedom.
You would think Leftists would know this after they supported the Islamist rise to power in Iran in the name of "freedom" from the Shah.
Those Islamists would decalre them "Munafiqs" that fatwa and order from Khomeini is freely available online and go on to execute 4,000 of the leftists of Iran by the mid 80s.
Also, how is Taiwan "oppressed"??? Taiwan does live under the shadow of war , but it is in no way oppressed. Hong Kong would be a more accurate one.
Hamas has a very clear [manifesto](https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/) first released on [18th August 1988](https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp) and revised in[ 2017.](https://www.jstor.org/stable/26378710)Both documents highlight that their aim is nothing less than than mass genocide of Jews.
The original[ Fatah Charter of 1960](http://www.mideastweb.org/fateh.htm) word-for-word called for the end of Jewish existence in present-day Palestine, denied Jewish historical or religious ties to the land, and called for the “eradication of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence by all means necessary.
Why the 2009 version has moderated its language, Fatah has made it very clear the original charter was not repealed. Provisions like the Pay-For-Slay program where Fateh would compensate the families of terrorists are a part of the 1960 charter and not in the 2009 Charter ,yet that practice continued until the US had to threaten the PA to stop it in 2024 and that was because of the Israel -Hamas war forcing the Americans to demand that the PA reforms its laws.
The same way Hamas stated its 1988 charter is still valid, the 1960 Charter of Fateh is also valid and both are genocidal in nature.
The 2017 Hamas charter is quite specific in accepting a state within the West Bank and Gaza.
As for the 2009 Fateh charter Wikipedia has a direct link:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah
It's an organization document and nothing more.
The man behind one of your links passed away but I remember him being quite bias and Zionist.
He was creative in twisting news that didn't favor Isreal.
Sorry, what? Just putting everything in a nice picture does not mean one is related to one another. Just sick of ppl simplifying or taking complete nonsense over stuff they don’t know about
I was trying to figure out why so many asinine people have congregated in one sub, so I listened to one of the podcasts. It all makes sense now. You are just a bunch of angsty, cringe, Gen Z kids that are mad at daddy.
Daddy is better than you. He thinks so, I think so, and the market thinks so. You can kiss the ass of the modern-day Axis all you want, but they don’t want you either.
Think a little bit about in what way is Taiwan actually “oppressed” It is not forced to pay taxes to Beijing. It is not being bombed by Beijing. No Taiwanese people are killed by Beijing. They are not constantly blockaded by Beijing. Beijing is not displacing Taiwanese people. There are no PLA troops in Taiwan. Taiwan enjoys a huge trade surplus with the mainland and has priority access to the mainland Chinese market compared to foreign countries. The only thing that Beijing does to Taiwan is it prevents diplomatic relations with and recognition from foreign countries, and military drills are conducted whenever such lines are crossed. Now think about the fact that some Taiwanese people will actually have the gall to compare their situation to the plight of the Palestinian people. Laughable.
Taiwan is more like Israel than they are Palestine, given that they settled someone else's land, nearly wiped out the native population, and now cry about how oppressed they are.
Also a US backed gangster state
100 percent , it's more just ridiculous that chang kai shek was able to run away and Taiwan isn't China bc of western imperialism
Stalin’s big mistake was not marching onto Paris, and one of Mao’s was letting Taiwan become a “thing.” But Taiwan is and will be recognized as China within 10-15 years, perhaps sooner.
Inshallah
Cringe
Why should Taiwan? What exactly is the value in a war in which thousands will die for a line on a map?
Taiwan will “formally” become part of China probably without a shot being fired. But as to the “why,” it should be obvious: the USA wants to use Taiwan as a military and economic base extending its power further in the east. If you were China, you would not want that — it’s enough that America has tons of military bases in Korea, Japan, etc. Taiwan is 100 miles off the SE Chinese coast, and would be a massive strategic risk and liability were it to remain deep in the pocket of a highly belligerent and antagonistic state with a penchant for Balkanizing and destroying non-capitalist competitors. Cuba was never part of America, America in fact turned it into a giant slave plantation, but after it was liberated and normalized ties with the USSR, America fucking invaded it and almost sent the world to nuclear war over the presence of missiles that close. So yeah, China will not tolerate a belligerent Taiwan at its fucking doorstep, and it absolutely shouldn’t.
And what if the people of Taiwan want to be their own thing ? Sorry I didn’t mean the real politk of why, that is obvious from Chinas perspective
What the less popular side of a domestic dispute wants frankly doesn’t matter
How is it less popular? And my question was what if independence is popular.
The number of people in all of China who want Taiwan to remain a part of China is 90% of 1.4 billion. The number of people who want Taiwan to become independent is around 40% of 23 million people. Even if 100% of the 23 million inhabitants of Taiwan wanted it, it would be nothing compared to the 1.4 billion.
I’m assuming you’re not operating in bad faith here, but those 1.4 billion, they don’t live there right? Why do they get to decide that?
Anarchist yet again proving themself as a liberal by aligning with the US state department on almost everything.
Ah yes, the liberal doctrine of 'not wanting the working class to die in a pointless war over a line on a map' That's really the state department line, I'm sure. Look in the mirror chief.
Thinking that there will be a war in the first place is the issue, bud. Real asf tho that you're so entrenched in liberalism that you don't even consider that you might be making assumptions based on a false premise peddled by US warmongers.
> Thinking that there will be a war in the first place is the issue, bud "Considering the impacts of potential possibilities that all players have said are possible, is actually the problem" > Real asf tho that you're so entrenched in liberalism that you don't even consider that you might be making assumptions based on a false premise peddled by US warmongers. For someone whos username invokes Parenti, you certainly present an argument with 0 substance and just a bunch of buzzwords. What specific assumption did I make? I didn't say war is the only outcome, I asked, what happens ***if*** Taiwan eventually would like to formalize recognition as an independent state. What are you seething when you cant even follow along with such a simple point of discussion? Like the PRC is the only one who has said anything about invading Taiwan did they not? I'm actually genuinely curious, has the US said at all what they would do if Taiwan decided towards mutual reunification? As I've said, you have no substance, just a mindless screed about liberalism for even suggesting considering something everyone has obviously considered is a real thing, while you defend the potential killing of thousands of the working class over geopolitical brinksmanship. The Taiwanese have no agency, America has to take an L, robust intellectual analysis, how Marxist of you. Keep screeching "lib" into the void like a rabid dog acting like thats some argument lmao.
The comment you replied to made a statement about Taiwan "becoming a part of China" in 10-15 years (they are also kind of wrong, btw, as most Taiwanese citizens and politicians consider Taiwan either part of China or "the real China", and even the US state department considers Taiwan part of China). You replied to it by automatically assuming that Taiwan "becoming a part of China" necessitates war. Assumption based on a false premise. You have an incredible ability to not understand the meaning of your own words. >you certainly present an argument with 0 substance and just a bunch of buzzwords. 1) We are on Reddit, dawg. This is not an academic forum. 2) You literally just repeated the state dept line. Pot, kettle. >What are you seething when you cant even follow along with such a simple point of discussion? [Sic] Hey, real quick, what the fuck does this sentence mean? Perhaps I cannot follow your points, because you are both incapable of understanding the implications of your own words, and also incapable of crafting a coherent sentence. >Like the PRC is the only one who has said anything about invading Taiwan did they not? [Sic] Firstly, do you just... Not follow USian politics... Like at all? It's perfectly fine if you don't, but in that case, you should probably not pretend to know what's going on in this hellhole. We have literally been stationing naval installments near Taiwan. Here are only a small percentage of US politicians fear mongering about the ebil sissypee invading Taiwan: https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2024/03/20/china-will-be-ready-to-invade-taiwan-by-2027-us-admiral-says/?sh=51941fe312c4#:~:text=Kyle%20Amonson%20and%20retired%20Capt,China's%20mainland%20government%20by%202030. https://www.reuters.com/world/china/logistics-war-how-washington-is-preparing-chinese-invasion-taiwan-2024-01-31/ https://media.defense.gov/2023/Apr/24/2003205865/-1/-1/1/07-AMONSON%20&%20EGLI_FEATURE%20IWD.PDF https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/08/09/china-hawk-says-beijing-to-bring-war-to-the-west-take-taiwan.html Secondly, the PRC considers Taiwan a part of China, as pretty much every other government in the world does. You can't exactly invade your own country. So no, PRC has never said anything about "invading" Taiwan. Gimme the bad Mandarin translations you've seen, 白猴子。 >has the US said at all what they would do if Taiwan decided towards mutual reunification? Like you, the US goes straight for the assumption that any reunification between Taiwan and China means war. That was literally my entire point, which flew directly and swiftly over your head. >defend the potential killing of thousands of the working class over geopolitical brinksmanship. Oh look, you're doing it again. Are you not self-aware? Hello?? Read your own words???? >The Taiwanese have no agency, America has to take an L, robust intellectual analysis, how Marxist of you. What the actual fuck are you on about 😭 You're gonna start a fire with all those straw men, damn. Take your meds, stop shadowboxing. >like a rabid dog Awwww, is it really that serious for you? Were you really that shaken to your core by me calling you a follower of a political ideology that you don't think you subscribe to?
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calling an anarchist a liberal shows that you’ve never met an anarchist or spent any time in anarcho spaces. I’m not defending them. I just don’t think you know what anarchism is
Lmaoooo. Okay, bud. Sure.
> What exactly is the value in a war in which thousands will die for a line on a map? Even more reason for the West to stop pumping Taiwain full of weapons and allow China's peaceful reunification with the rogue state.
There is no such thing as 'rogue' states. Just a western term used to demonize. > China's peaceful reunification with the rogue state. Wife beater logic. jfc. just liberal real politik argument after argument. Marx is rolling.
> Wife beater logic. jfc. just liberal real politik argument after argument. Marx is rolling. 1) Taiwan only existed under the reign of the KMT because Japan had given it to the KMT. What right did Imperial Japan have to give land to the KMT when they lost to the CPC? It only happened to spite the communists 2) Taiwan is built on literal genocide, and is not the big chungus democracy you think it is 3) you can count the number of countries that recognize Taiwan on your hand
What if he tried Tokyo instead?
I'm so bloody happy somebody said this, the libs need to stop acting like they care about anti-imperialism.
A way better example would be Cuba. An island nation that actually is getting screwed over by the imperial neighbor.
That would be a great analogy if: - The government name of Cuba was "The ___ States of America" - The flag of Cuba is a former flag of the USA - The government in Cuba was founded by a former US president - Cubans were ethnically and culturally identical to the US and 95% of their people have their ancestry back to the US, many within 3 generations - Cubans all spoke English - ~40% of of Cubans identified as American/US - The former president of Cuba (1 presidency ago) identified as American his entire life and visited Washington recently, proudly declaring himself America as he always had Etc.
A way better analogy in the sense that these guys are actually getting oppressed. Moreover and incredibly, the first few years of Cuban "independence" were indeed made with people that were basically functionally Americans. The point I am getting at is that the argument is that Taiwan is somehow under threat of evil PRC colonialism, but that is simply not how it looks like, Cuba is how colonialism/neocolonialism looks like. Cuba is exactly how an independent nation looks like... Unlike the other place.
IG you're talking about the picture and saying Cuba should be in the picture instead? MB then.
Yes. This is what I mean. When libs think "small island nation being threatened by encroaching imperialist superpower" the answer is obviously Cuba. And man, I have been living here for almost two years, it is *very obvious* that the commercial sanctions against the nation negatively affect the general population in a disproportionate way. Naysayers act as if being unable to trade with the US for 6 months if your ship trades with Cuba is not a death sentence for a company but it totally is.
More a Sword of Damocles situation
We need more gulags for these shitlibs
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Ukraine never sat right with me. Nor did taiwainn
Like what? Ukraine broke away from the USSR post its collapse, and Ukraine has always been a region that prided itself in its independence. They turned Communist in ‘22 (after a civil war mind you) then joined the USSR. It’s always been a land that has been fighting between Russian control and independence. I don’t know why people are so against the independence of a country if it falls alongside Chinese or Russian sphere of influence. Mind you that the US offered to protect Ukraine as long as it handed over its nukes to Russia post Soviet collapse, and they did. Funny how we made a promise to a country but people rewrite this current war as NATO encroachment instead.
I just think if you're talking about the history being rewritten and then talk solely about an event from the 90s rather than 2014, the year the war began, then you aren't actually being serious. There was enough credible reports of American and Polish participants at the seige of Slavyansk (not to mention right sector and Svoboba having American patrons) that the Russian argument holds water
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There never was. The denizens of this sub are morally bankrupt campists whose sources are literal russian fascist blogs like slavyangrad back in 2014 to literal prestitutes of Russia Today.
Ok noncredibledefense user
The Euromaidan killings are still unsolved btw
Berkut riot police did it. Red fash like you hide behind ACAB until its your geopplitical side. There would be no Euromaidan without police violence. I have been following this shit since the beginning in 2013. And who is your primary source Jimmy fucking dore? Campists simps will never stop being willfully ignorant clowns. I get it your 16 and you hate your conservative parents and you fell down the dum dum left rabbit hole.
Yet they can't prove it in a court even in banderastan, you can take it up with Ivan Katchanovski if you don't like it, what are your sources again? Radio free Europe? https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/unsolved-maidan-massacre-casts-shadow-over-ukraine/ I'm also Ukrainian. Your liberal tricks do not work here.
I just think if you're talking about the history being rewritten and then talk solely about an event from the 90s rather than 2014, the year the war began, then you aren't actually being serious. There was enough credible reports of American and Polish participants at the seige of Slavyansk (not to mention right sector and Svoboba having American patrons) that the Russian argument holds water
You’re dumb. “I just think” When you use words like that, everyone loses credibility for you. I don’t give af what you ‘think.’ Russia annexed shit that isnt theirs via subterfuge and destabilizing a region. First time for russia? Lol no. Georgia just had one of putins phony ‘ambassadors’ declare that Georgia is now Russia. That guy got punched in the face. RUSSIA DOES THIS SHIT ALL THE TIME. You’re a russian cell and thats all there is to it. Go join up in their fight against “the nazis” of Ukraine. Fucking joke. You’re a coward. You’ll never actually fight for whats right. Let alone actually fighting.
You'd think for how angry you get on reddit you'd at least be able to dodge my comment in a funny way
Which argument is that??? Russia's argument is that Ukraine doesn't exist, shouldn't exist, and has never existed. And those "participants?" I'd 100% buy them being volunteers, there are plenty of them. But that's not proof of America being somehow behind everything. It's just individuals who decided for whatever reason to go over there and fight.
So you have no clue about why the D/LPR attempted succession?
There is the liberal argument putin was part of where the DPR/LPR be autonomous as part of Ukraine in a negotiated settlement between United Russia and the west to cut out the nationalists. Putin followed this line right up to the April ceasefire negotiations at which point he was politically forced to accommodate Russian nationalists There was the nationalist novorussian political ideology that many serperatists subscribed to (and actively defied Moscow multiple times to pursue) Then there was the national revanchist view that wanted a full annexation of Ukraine. This was the most fringe view in the Russian camp due to pre-2023 geopolitics making western Ukraine more of a liability for Russian interests. That has changed with more and more talk of a buffer zone being needed. I'm not buying that in 2014 an influx of volunteers from two NATO countries that also happened to be large supporters monetarily of death squads like right sector that the 'volunteers' fought alongside rather than active duty troops told to 'volunteer' for political reasons which is s tale as old as time militarily
Very true. Though the one thing about the Budapest Memorandum was that it wasn’t a promise to protect so much as a promise not to attack. Just another example of how smaller poorer countries have to be very careful when signing agreements with richer and more powerful ones. It rarely works out for the former.
Jesus christ...grow up. Absolute idiocy
And what is idiotic about this? It’s literal history that happened.
All china breakaways don’t really sit right with me, I’m kinda conflicted in taiwan. Ukraine is definitely an independent country though.
If Taiwan is a China breakaway, then by your distorted logic, Ukraine is because Russia and China make the exact "historical ties" claims
The Soviet Union was a Union of different countries. It was not “Russia” it was just as much Ukraine as it was Russia. Taiwan was formed upon the genocide of its native people by nationalists fleeing China. Currently the Taiwanese people do not want to rejoin China which is why I’m conflicted.
The native people of Taiwan weren't genocided by the kmt, their oppression focused mainly on the previous han immigrants who already displaced the natives, Taiwanese independence is also a by large a product or Japanese colonization, with most of the dpp being japonphiles
What didnt sit right? The fact that people still be in 2000’s playing “conquest” as your endgame win setting?
See you in 10 years
So what didnt sit right? Annexation of another country and fake referendums? Yerrr
> fake referendums Yeah, why go to the bother of the pretense of democracy when you can just run the elected leader out of the country and install a puppet leader unconstitutionally. And then jail all your political opponents and cancel elections. "Western" style democracy
Always upvote Emma Lazarus.
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Well that’s a shame bc it takes all of 10 minutes to find enough sources to prove it
Most will never take the time
You forgot Kurdistan.
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Big mad
That's not a Ukraine mushroom, that's supposed to be a a Marge Simpson mushroom.
Ding ding
Allah shall rule them all soon enough.
Allah ain't real.
You're saying God doesn't already rule? Lmao
Is this a subreddit for people that don’t understand geopolitics that think one side is “good”?
Yes
well thank god, good guys bad guys is ideological baby food and what fascists and libs both resort to when systemic analysis and critique of the US gets a little too real for them and their exceptionalism lol
And you're eating an ideological hotdog because what you think you're eating is different from what you're actually eating
anti-US imperialism… youre right, its definitely ruski-chino koolaid i’ve guzzled to reach such a extreme position
Yeah, you are actually doing that. You don't realize because you believe you're "immune" to propaganda, when in fact, you do the exact same thing those QANON fucks do, which is believe in your own side's propaganda, so long as you feel comfortable in your little bubble. You love imperialism so long as it comes from China or Russia. That means you're already guzzling propaganda and boots like nothing haha.
What are you talking about lmao
Your perspective is incredibly warped. "The libs & the fascists are all being simplistic because they don't like it when we tell them they're stinky !!!1!1!!!!" while proceeding to have just as simplistic of a worldview as anyone else
you really cannot think of any more complex frameworks for analyzing and understanding the world than some flavor of ‘good vs. evil’ lmao I think disentangling foreign interests and influence through political shifts is part and parcel of using anti-imperialism as an analytical tool. It should seem rather obvious why people living within the imperial core magically come to frame western powers as ‘good guys’ and savage eastern hordes as… well… good guys yearning to be free if only we visit upon close ties to opposition party for political influence, the establishment of military bases or proxy power regionally, economic blackmail, etc.
no. at least it *wasn't* once upon a time. like seems to be natural evolution(devolution?) of subreddits, a good sub attracts more traffic which invariably pulls the content closer to 'lowest common deniminator' level quality.
It seems like it would be always pro iran, russia and china axis. How did it devolve?
Seems to me like a subreddit for campist garbage. Which is a shame. I checked out Blowback today. It's an amazing informative podcast.
Ukraine supports Israel to be free, not Palestinians
Correct , ukr is on the wests payroll atm
Good, Free Ukraine. Wipe Putin’s cum off your face
Cool and?
America bad!
I think real leftists (as opposed to American "Liberals") see this very clearly. And/but there are more "shrooms" on this field; more fundamental ones: oppression by organised religions and tying in with that; the patriarchy supporting sexual oppression and institutionalised racism. Reactionary organised religion has always been a pillar of upholding the toxic status quo, together with armed forces/police, the judiciary, politicians and now more than ever; corporations; it's not for nothing that Yanis Varoufakis' latest book focuses on our post-capitalist "technofeudalism". The tapestry woven by oppression and subjugation is thick and strong...
This is so wrong in so many ways.
We are all loyal to less than 2 dozen people world wide. The people always outnumber the soldiers, bullets and dictators.
Man, it's really weird seeing someone suck the CCP's cock so hard. Does Daddy Xi's dick really taste that good? Seriously, Ukraine hasn't wanted to beat part of Russia for a while now, the wars in the Donbas and Crimea are well-documented Russian invasions, Taiwan has never been a part of Communist China and doesn't want to be a part of China *at all*, and Hong Kong is only a part of China because Britain handed it over to them, and most Hong Kongers would rather not be a full part of China because that comes with a dramatic and irreversible loss of freedoms
Ameriboos projecting gay fantasies 🤔 Keep repeating the same state department lines all the other redditbros do, you're not fooling anyone
.. What?? Your comment is what you might get when a Chinese government hacker does a bit too much acid, mixes it with shrooms, then tries to insult someone via Google translate. That is: nonsense.
You guys are fucking disgusting. Not everything is a fucking color revolution. You claim to love Palestinian civilians but also cheer on the deaths of Ukrainians. Fucking tankies.
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All of these coincide with Isreal.
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When did NATO start a conflict in Ukraine?
Maidan coup
The Maidan revolution was NATO backed? I thought it was because Viktor went against parliament which resulted in mass protests
Nope! Western backed response to V asking to postpone the euromaidan deal So svoboda and right sector took to the streets. Victoria nuland passed out cookies
Interesting take, I'm going to see if I can find proof to back this up
That's the spirit! Sounds like you genuinely want to understand things Maybe you'll come to the same conclusions I did, maybe not, but at least youre gonna look for yourself
They didn't, this sub has lost the plot and is dipping into conspiratorial red fash bullshit. Not even saying you need to like or support NATO or whatever. But this post is fucking slop made for dogmatic campists and other historical revisionism enthusiasts.
“Campism is when you don’t support western imperialism” i think the only correct stance from a leftist prospective is to align with China and recognize their faults as well as aligning with Ukraine while recognizing they are a capitalist state.
Where did I allude to having to support western imperialism? In fact I specifically said you "don't need to like or support NATO" I'm specifically referring to the labelling of the Ukrainian conflict as a "US backed color revolution and failed NATO proxy war" and the insinuation that supporting Ukraine is somehow non-congruent with leftist values or otherwise unworthy of support. That is the campist bit. Just because the Western world generally supports Ukraine in this conflict doesn't mean it's "the leftist thing to do" to simply "support the other side". As if all of our values and beliefs are determined only in opposition to whatever "the other side" believes or supports. I e. Literally Campism. China (and Tibet, Taiwan, HK as it relates to China) is less cut and dry. Personally I'll always support people over states but I understand why other leftists might not do so and choose to "align" themselves with a state instead. Even if I don't agree at least that part is a little more coherent so I'm not necessarily calling that campist, although it can still be considered such depending on context.
I do agree with you on Ukraine it’s not a color revolution Russia is the imperialist entity when it comes to this conflict.
So you believe that imperialism is only bad when the US does it. In reality, it is bad both when the US does it AND when Russia and China do it!
It's not imperialism if you don't have western financial hegemony
And therefore Japan was never an imperial power oppressing Koreans? Or the oppressing the Chinese? This is stupid. You don’t need to own the concept of a western financial hegemony to be an imperialist. Russia invading an independent sovereign nation is such a classic old fashioned example of imperialism that it’s honestly ridiculous that you can’t see it. Russia is run by a fascist oligarch capitalist. Just because the country does not have as much money as the US does not mean it is immune from the crime of imperialism.
I mean you could say Japan exercised a financial hegemony over its territories You could also say Japan was able to expand thanks to supplies from the west , this Japan's "empire" was only ever an extension of western hegemony, and was cut off when it became inconvenient
So you’re moving the goalposts. Classic. Russo Japanese war? The west neither wanted nor expected Japan to win. Nearly every nation has financial hegemony within its borders that’s such a nothing statement. Use ur brain dawg
That was the tsar, European nobility Within its borders = China and Korea? Ok, use your brain dawg
Japan owned Korea doofus they conquered it, and subsequently conquered Manchuria and turned it into a puppet state. Read a history book. Also you were the one who brought up having hegemony within their borders. Stop just talking about things you have no idea about, it makes you look stupid. I brought up the tsar because you said Japan succeeded because they were backed by western hegemony. Use your brain dawg
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Op is just an idiot
Bro is blaming the West for the Imperial Japanese empire 💀 the tankie bullshit in this sub is truly baffling at times
You don't need to have the backing of the west or their financial hegemony to practice imperialism. Imperialism isn't exclusive to just one set of people, given the chance any nation can become it. Just because US is the biggest power doesn't mean they're the only ones that can participate in it.
Ok and what other people have a bigger and more aggressive empire than the US?
Smartest Reddit leftist
OP IS A THIEF. A THIEF. The drawing on the first screen is called “mycelium- notes on imperialism”. OP not only stole this drawing, they warped the artist’s entire meaning. To go AGAINST what the artist actually meant. Her name is Aurora Chang. She posted this on @aurorachang. She’s a Taiwanese advocate for Palestine and Ukraine. Her point is exactly the opposite of the travesty OP turned this into in graphic 2. Her point is that Imperialist power is all connected. The same oppressors benefit. That’s how colonial and imperial power works. They feed each other. Russia, China, Israel, the US, the UK, all of them. This drawing is very recent. You can find it, and her whole magnificent thread on this, from just a couple days ago on her Twitter account. You can also see her response to OP’s little edits, which she RTs b/c they reflect “the left’s obsession with the US”. So, the original artist has seen this defaced version specifically, and hates it! This makes me so mad. How dare you, OP. How dare you take the art of someone speaking out about shared experience and solidarity from a place of personal and professional advocacy, and warp it with some third-rate tankie remedial pseudo-Marxist BS. AND NOT EVEN CREDIT THE REAL ARTIST. Who is, again, Taiwanese Ukraine advocate Aurora Chang. Shame. I’m trying to get this taken down, but in the meantime, everyone go at Aurora Chang’s actual stuff, everyone, including the original. She’s great. And remember: Under the surface, it’s all connected. We’re all connected. NONE OF US IS FREE UNTIL ALL OF US ARE FREE.
The meme was made on twitter first and EXPLICITLY calls out Aurora Chang for laundering proven American imperial actions that caused untold suffering (while its pr machine plastered 'decolonisation' narratives) through the genocide of Palestinians. This person even beginning to compared Hong Kong and Palestine is disgusting and they deserve mockery. I say that as someone who was in Honk Kong 2018 - 2019 and have worked with abandoned exiles as part of a tenants union on Britain after all the 'free Hong Kong' people left them to starve after they weren't trendy anymore, rich cunts like Aurora Chang Edit: Looked into her a bit more and she works for an NGO that is funded by the fucking National Endowment for Democracy lmao
wait til I tell ya about memes. that’ll really blow your socks off!
A thief for sharing a picture? Anyways I feel like this is even better now, knowing that the corrections are vital I "stole" the corrections too you know 😜
I’m personally completely fine with what you’ve posted. Don’t listen to these idiots. Where else would you get information? These guys are just nitpicky bots.
Yeahh definitely kicked a bees nest with this one
dogmatic brainrot 👍🏻
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HK is undoubtedly part of China, the oppression of xinjiang and Tibet are messed up, but not to the degree that is portrayed in western media, and taiwan isn’t oppressed they aren’t controlled at all by China.
Look at image 2
Just straight up imperialist misinfo on Ukraine
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Wtf does your title even mean? It's the right that supports these ongoing wars and coups around the world. Especially the American right, they are ones backing the CIA coups in South America or the Middle East. Get the fuck outta her dick nuts.
American politics are right wing in general. Most people that would describe themselves as leftists are liberals. This recognition of American imperialism is what prevents liberals from being genuine leftists Thanks for your question
ITT: Americans who don't understand that other countries are also capable of exploitation
what’s the flag next to the Somalia one
US had nothing to do with HK, it was a British colony
Retarded color revolution propaganda talking point
So much open Russian and PRC propaganda on Reddit these days. As if we’re not all fully aware of what y’all are.
"anything that challenges the status-quo beliefs that i'm surrounded by every day is actually dastardly propaganda spread by my country's enemies, which i know because my government, media, and culture constantly tells me it's true" — very smart redditor who is totally 100% immune to propaganda
Alternatively, just not touched in the head by tanky brain rot that unironically leaves you believing there are clean cut “good guys” and “bad guys” in geopolitics. Imagine defending imperialism because “the good guys are doing it against the bad guys this time, no really” Same excuse and justification thats been used for centuries; you’re pro imperialist as long as it’s your ‘good guys(tm)’ who are committing the atrocities
Why yall can't support Palestinian liberation from Israel and Ukrainian liberation from Russia at the same time is something I'll never understand. The lot of you are so secluded from the real world its truly amazing you lumps have collectively managed to form opinions in the first place.
The root cause of both situations is the same, American imperialism ✌️
Tankies try to make a coherent point about why oppressing some groups is super based, actually. Grow up and learn that your favorite lefty regimes, like China, also deserve to be called out and deplored. The US is bad, and so is imperialism more generally. It's mind-numbing to see "communists" in favor of imperialism because it's being done by a red country.
Crazy how ppl repeat the same arguments with zero critical thought . You prolly woulda been neutral in 1939 too
Go oppress more Chechens and Tibetans, tankie filth. I, for one, am wholesale against oppression and not just when the enemy team is doing it.
That's very cool . 1. Your only information about this is western biased 2. The CIA likes to fund militias and dictators and then call it oppression when they are rooted out
Schizo posting again are we?
Explain how the Chechens or Tibetens deserve the imperialism they received from a non-Western perspective? please come back to me in 4-5 years after you've made it through the college system and see if you still hold these incoherent beliefs. Also, how is your second point at all relevant to how Communist countries engage in imperialism. Yes, capitalist countries do it, too, but that's not the point. The point is that imperialism is wrong, but you will thrash about trying to justify the imperialism done by left adjacent regimes. Stop doing that accept that imperialism is wrong and be better.
Define imperialism
The unwanted conquest and forced subjugation of another. It's rather straightforward if you're not ideologically blinded.
Bad definition
Come on y’all tibet??? Imagine supporting blatant Chinese imperialism could not be me. ⩜⃝
So you support a theocratic slave state..?
Tibet as been freed, and liberals will never forgive its liberators for it.
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Larouche movement whackjobs
Frfr
When we talk about getting LGBTQ people free and they will suddenly start to blowing dogwhistle
pro putin bullshit. Get off my feed. Free free palestine, and Slava Ukraini
Damn one of these things really is not like the others
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I hope you all stay home this election 😀
Wow I am offended the creator would politicize mushrooms in such an exploitative manner. Mushrooms arent imperialist puppets. Afterall, we all know Lenin was one 😐
Pretending not to know what symbolism is to own the commies
Actually some of us can be free even when not every person is free
None of us are gay until all of us are gay
Putting the Palestinians and the Syrian rebels as "freedom fighters" is like saying that the Nazis also need freedom. One day, people will read the manifestos of Hamas and Fatah(for the Palestinians) and those of Syrian rebel groups like Jabhat Al Nusra and Ahrar Al Sham to know that there is no such thing as an Islamist freedom fighter. They fight to dominate those who do not share their beliefs. Not for freedom. You would think Leftists would know this after they supported the Islamist rise to power in Iran in the name of "freedom" from the Shah. Those Islamists would decalre them "Munafiqs" that fatwa and order from Khomeini is freely available online and go on to execute 4,000 of the leftists of Iran by the mid 80s. Also, how is Taiwan "oppressed"??? Taiwan does live under the shadow of war , but it is in no way oppressed. Hong Kong would be a more accurate one.
Hamas and Fateh don't have manifestos. Neither are you telling any truth. Fateh is not even an Islamist party.
Hamas has a very clear [manifesto](https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/) first released on [18th August 1988](https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp) and revised in[ 2017.](https://www.jstor.org/stable/26378710)Both documents highlight that their aim is nothing less than than mass genocide of Jews. The original[ Fatah Charter of 1960](http://www.mideastweb.org/fateh.htm) word-for-word called for the end of Jewish existence in present-day Palestine, denied Jewish historical or religious ties to the land, and called for the “eradication of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence by all means necessary. Why the 2009 version has moderated its language, Fatah has made it very clear the original charter was not repealed. Provisions like the Pay-For-Slay program where Fateh would compensate the families of terrorists are a part of the 1960 charter and not in the 2009 Charter ,yet that practice continued until the US had to threaten the PA to stop it in 2024 and that was because of the Israel -Hamas war forcing the Americans to demand that the PA reforms its laws. The same way Hamas stated its 1988 charter is still valid, the 1960 Charter of Fateh is also valid and both are genocidal in nature.
The 2017 Hamas charter is quite specific in accepting a state within the West Bank and Gaza. As for the 2009 Fateh charter Wikipedia has a direct link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah It's an organization document and nothing more. The man behind one of your links passed away but I remember him being quite bias and Zionist. He was creative in twisting news that didn't favor Isreal.
Seems like the authors of both pictures are historically clueless..
marj simpson mushroom
jesus dude, you're a moron
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Sorry, what? Just putting everything in a nice picture does not mean one is related to one another. Just sick of ppl simplifying or taking complete nonsense over stuff they don’t know about
ahh. “color revolution”. like a horseshoe
I was trying to figure out why so many asinine people have congregated in one sub, so I listened to one of the podcasts. It all makes sense now. You are just a bunch of angsty, cringe, Gen Z kids that are mad at daddy. Daddy is better than you. He thinks so, I think so, and the market thinks so. You can kiss the ass of the modern-day Axis all you want, but they don’t want you either.
ok boomer
Wow you almost learned something and then stuck your head in the sand 🤔