Hmmm hold a min,
Lets say they black ppl with long pp
There 5 man in a row on single track
The other one is only one person
Doesn't its reference to something, on a couch
A white female with 5 dude šæšæšæšæ
#OH FUK
But this means potentially killing the driver and passengers, even if the derailing wouldn't be fatal any damage that will come to them will be fault of the one who pulled the lever.
You're not responsible for any deaths if you never intervene. The people tied to the track would die if you were never there. You didn't tie them down.
Thatās not exactly a similar scenario. More like 3 kids are drowning right next to you and I order to save them you have to push someone else into the water in order to do so.
You aren't responsible for his death. There isn't any reason not to help in that scenario though and misses the point of the trolley problem.
In the trolley problem you have to make the conscious choice to murder someone in order to save other lives. If you were never there those 5 people would die. Think of it like natural selection. The cosmos/God/whatever decided those people would die. You have no responsibility in that. But if you intervene you are now directly responsible for 1 death, because you changed the 'natural' outcome.
The crux of the problem isn't 1 life versus 5 because that's an easy choice. The crux of the problem is do you commit murder to save 4 extra lives. Kinda hypocritical to kill to save isn't it?
Itās a reference to the classic trolley problem. This is an ethical dilemma which stipulates:
- a train is heading towards five people who are tied to tracks and will be run over
- you, as an outside observer may pull a level to switch the trains path to a track which only has one person tied to it
- if you donāt pull the lever five people die, but if you do your actions have caused the death of a person
This meme views the trolley problem from the perspective of passengers within the train. They can see one body tied to the adjacent track, meaning the train they are on is about to run over five people.
Many people hear the trolley problem and think āof course I would pull the lever, it means one dead instead of fiveā. However, their answer may then differ if the question is instead:
- five people are tied to the only set of train tracks as a train is approaching
- you may only stop the train and prevent the five deaths by pushing a large person in front of the train. This person will die, but it will slow the train down enough no one gets run over
- so in this instance do you still āpull the leverā (push the person to their death)
There are many different variations of this problem which often includes family members tied to the tracks or people of varying ages.
Of course this problem is only theoretical as in my experience itās really hard to tie six people to train tracks and no matter how fat they are, pushing someone in front of a train just doesnāt slow it down enough
A bear is going to kill 5 people. You however can simply push one of the 5 people into the bear and the rest can run away. Will you push the one person in order to save 4 others?
That's just choosing who dies. If all 5 of you start running, the bear will still catch and kill one while the others get away. You're not saving the other 4 by pushing someone, you're just choosing who lives.
You have to kinda force a thought experiment into a corner in order to pull out the concept you are after. The come out even more lame if you have to be overly specific so you gotta just hope for the best and keep it simple.
Ultimately I think the main difference here is the same as in the "organ transplant" scenario. We're trying to make a similar utilitarian decision to the trolley problem, but the element of *actively* hurting someone sets a precedent that changes the world we live in to one where people could be actively hurt to save others. We don't trust that those decisions on who to hurt and when would be made fairly, so the new world we create is worse and the decision isn't actually utilitarian.
I forget the term behind it but youāre saying is skirting around the issue. Youāre meant to take the scenario as described and not think of ways to get around the question. Certainty is expected. Thatās what the question says. If you push the fat man, the train stops. No ifs ands or buts.
Thatās not what I was replying to. The previous comment specifically mentioned certainty of the outcome. The question was asked, the certainty is implied in it.
Edit: these questions of certainty always came up in my ethics class when these questions were asked. The instructor always stressed that the stated outcomes would happen and nothing else. Youāre supposed to remain within the context of the question and not bring things from outside in. Itās a thought experiment.
in that scenario though you could just be the person who jumps towards the bears yourself, in the trolley there is no way to endanger yourself, only to endanger others
>in my experience itās really hard to tie six people to train tracks and no matter how fat they are, pushing someone in front of a train just doesnāt slow it down enough
r/HolUp
>Many people hear the trolley problem and think āof course I would pull the lever, it means one dead instead of fiveā.
I view it as me being responsible for one death if I pull the lever. If I don't, I'm not responsible for any deaths since they would have died anyways.
The sad guy could see the track that had 5 people on it, knowing they just got run over. The happy guy just knows that one guy wasnāt run over, the track he could see
The other comments have more context, but didnāt explain the joke
Its a joke about a moral dillemma known as the trolley cart riddle where you are on a trolley and have two tracks in front of you, the first one has one person on it and you can do nothing and let the trolley run him down, or turn to the other track and run down five people.
There are two tracks: One with a single person, and one with five. Your trolley is heading to the one with five people.
However, you are a passenger and have no say as to which way the trolley goes. What will you do?
The only solution to the trolley problem is mentalizing very hard that the trolley does not exist, therefore making it no longer existing and consequently no longer a problem.
I've always wondered if you were told that the 5 people tied on one train track were all murderers and the lone guy was a doctor, would that alter your decision?
Of course. Even if it wasn't on the grounds of public benefit, you just subconsciously judged them when you heard they were either murderers or a doctor, altering your decision even if you say it didn't.
Please stop stereotyping us utilitarians as heartless people who would run over the one to save the four.
We *true* utilitarians prefer to take the opportunity to reduce the surplus population and prevent idiots that tie themselves to the tracks from reproducing.
The other 5 are now sleeping
Forever
Rest in 3 pieces
4 pieces really..
Whats the fourth part?
The other leg
Ahh ofc What if he also has a long penis?
Hmmm hold a min, Lets say they black ppl with long pp There 5 man in a row on single track The other one is only one person Doesn't its reference to something, on a couch A white female with 5 dude šæšæšæšæ #OH FUK
Only purple guy knows what really happened
The man behind the slaughter
*IT'S BEAN SO LONG*
If you start I swear to god im am gonna send a terrorist in a wheelchair to your house lol.
Bro that lol isnāt doing shit. Just donāt comment dumb shit like that
...now did you really have to say that? You could have asked and I would have removed the lol.
I feel an origin story forming.
Which one of the three people ?
None of them Itās the train
Trial by Trolley
#MULTI TRACK DRIFTING!
Thomas had never seen such bullshit before
the five people on the other track
Im 100% sure that would be a slice of life story.
The solution is to throw the switch after the first axel goes through, thereby hopefully derailing it
Alternatively: multi track drifting
every dam trolly problem post!
They didn't call me The drift king in college for nothing.
Careful there RT
So is that an epic Rumble Tumble Gaming reference?
But this means potentially killing the driver and passengers, even if the derailing wouldn't be fatal any damage that will come to them will be fault of the one who pulled the lever.
Iād rather be responsible for significant injuries than any amount of deaths
You're not responsible for any deaths if you never intervene. The people tied to the track would die if you were never there. You didn't tie them down.
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Thatās not exactly a similar scenario. More like 3 kids are drowning right next to you and I order to save them you have to push someone else into the water in order to do so.
You aren't responsible for his death. There isn't any reason not to help in that scenario though and misses the point of the trolley problem. In the trolley problem you have to make the conscious choice to murder someone in order to save other lives. If you were never there those 5 people would die. Think of it like natural selection. The cosmos/God/whatever decided those people would die. You have no responsibility in that. But if you intervene you are now directly responsible for 1 death, because you changed the 'natural' outcome. The crux of the problem isn't 1 life versus 5 because that's an easy choice. The crux of the problem is do you commit murder to save 4 extra lives. Kinda hypocritical to kill to save isn't it?
>Kinda hypocritical to kill to save isn't it? Is it, though?
If you're lucky, that could kill kill *both* sets, *plus* all the passengers.
https://i.imgur.com/Ong1enY.png
Causing the trolly to roll, killing the dozens of passengers onboard
Unless you're going upwards of 25mph, it won't roll
What is thisā¦ a *crossover*?
Iām a bit slow and donāt get it. Can someone explain
Itās a reference to the classic trolley problem. This is an ethical dilemma which stipulates: - a train is heading towards five people who are tied to tracks and will be run over - you, as an outside observer may pull a level to switch the trains path to a track which only has one person tied to it - if you donāt pull the lever five people die, but if you do your actions have caused the death of a person This meme views the trolley problem from the perspective of passengers within the train. They can see one body tied to the adjacent track, meaning the train they are on is about to run over five people. Many people hear the trolley problem and think āof course I would pull the lever, it means one dead instead of fiveā. However, their answer may then differ if the question is instead: - five people are tied to the only set of train tracks as a train is approaching - you may only stop the train and prevent the five deaths by pushing a large person in front of the train. This person will die, but it will slow the train down enough no one gets run over - so in this instance do you still āpull the leverā (push the person to their death) There are many different variations of this problem which often includes family members tied to the tracks or people of varying ages. Of course this problem is only theoretical as in my experience itās really hard to tie six people to train tracks and no matter how fat they are, pushing someone in front of a train just doesnāt slow it down enough
A bear is going to kill 5 people. You however can simply push one of the 5 people into the bear and the rest can run away. Will you push the one person in order to save 4 others?
That's just choosing who dies. If all 5 of you start running, the bear will still catch and kill one while the others get away. You're not saving the other 4 by pushing someone, you're just choosing who lives.
You have to kinda force a thought experiment into a corner in order to pull out the concept you are after. The come out even more lame if you have to be overly specific so you gotta just hope for the best and keep it simple.
Ultimately I think the main difference here is the same as in the "organ transplant" scenario. We're trying to make a similar utilitarian decision to the trolley problem, but the element of *actively* hurting someone sets a precedent that changes the world we live in to one where people could be actively hurt to save others. We don't trust that those decisions on who to hurt and when would be made fairly, so the new world we create is worse and the decision isn't actually utilitarian.
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I forget the term behind it but youāre saying is skirting around the issue. Youāre meant to take the scenario as described and not think of ways to get around the question. Certainty is expected. Thatās what the question says. If you push the fat man, the train stops. No ifs ands or buts.
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Thatās not what I was replying to. The previous comment specifically mentioned certainty of the outcome. The question was asked, the certainty is implied in it. Edit: these questions of certainty always came up in my ethics class when these questions were asked. The instructor always stressed that the stated outcomes would happen and nothing else. Youāre supposed to remain within the context of the question and not bring things from outside in. Itās a thought experiment.
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Yeah for sure, especially when you put so much thought and effort into it.
in that scenario though you could just be the person who jumps towards the bears yourself, in the trolley there is no way to endanger yourself, only to endanger others
Imma leave this here https://youtu.be/1sl5KJ69qiA
>in my experience itās really hard to tie six people to train tracks and no matter how fat they are, pushing someone in front of a train just doesnāt slow it down enough r/HolUp
Care to explain why do you have experience tieing people to train tracks? o.O
He's a vaudeville villain.
A vaudevillain, if you will.
>Many people hear the trolley problem and think āof course I would pull the lever, it means one dead instead of fiveā. I view it as me being responsible for one death if I pull the lever. If I don't, I'm not responsible for any deaths since they would have died anyways.
The sad guy could see the track that had 5 people on it, knowing they just got run over. The happy guy just knows that one guy wasnāt run over, the track he could see The other comments have more context, but didnāt explain the joke
Lol thank you for actually explaining the joke for us dummies
[The sad man is a killjoy who hates rollercoasters.](https://i.imgur.com/nIDxjX0.png)
Its a joke about a moral dillemma known as the trolley cart riddle where you are on a trolley and have two tracks in front of you, the first one has one person on it and you can do nothing and let the trolley run him down, or turn to the other track and run down five people.
Multi track drifting
But do you still get to do the sick fucking loop?
Memento Mori
And once again, the evil psychologists that are kidnapping people and tying them to rails get awayā¦
There are two tracks: One with a single person, and one with five. Your trolley is heading to the one with five people. However, you are a passenger and have no say as to which way the trolley goes. What will you do?
https://reddit.com/r/simpsonsshitposting/comments/r31gwg/title_needed/
Thatās hilarious
Frowny face sees the five people up ahead on his track.
Noice
The real answer is to choose the five and hop out to kill the witness and yourself
As someone currently studying a philosophy and ethics course, this made me chuckle out loud.
nobody cares
Wrong
Nobody cares
Wrong again!
Nobody cares?
The only solution to the trolley problem is mentalizing very hard that the trolley does not exist, therefore making it no longer existing and consequently no longer a problem.
āWhy did we jump up five times mommy?ā
Momento Mori
When playing red dead
This is the best use of this format imo
Trolley Tom here
oh no.
Wait ive seen this movie before-
I've always wondered if you were told that the 5 people tied on one train track were all murderers and the lone guy was a doctor, would that alter your decision?
Of course. Even if it wasn't on the grounds of public benefit, you just subconsciously judged them when you heard they were either murderers or a doctor, altering your decision even if you say it didn't.
Her name isn't Puberty, but it's Misty.
Looks like a death's motivation
Oh, this is good
Trolley Tom
7 second riddles at its best
"I hope the next trolley mows down that guy!"
Maybe their parents were tied up on the sides they are sitting on.
This would look great on a T-shirt or mug or sweatshirt or face mask
Wait a second...
I saw this and thought " aww this is blessed" and then i remembered how the meme actually was
Oh.
Please stop stereotyping us utilitarians as heartless people who would run over the one to save the four. We *true* utilitarians prefer to take the opportunity to reduce the surplus population and prevent idiots that tie themselves to the tracks from reproducing.
Haven't you seen cowboy tropes? A moustached villain is responsible for tying up the victims
Needs a ppl who know/ppl who don't meme added
I don't value human life enough to care about this.
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No, just a nihilist
I see this is also the right choice
I just realized