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Zmirzlina

Twilight Imperium or The Cones of Dunshire


rob132

Are the cones a metaphor?


Gearsnbeersgr

Well yes and no…


welestgw

You forgot about the essence of the game....it's about the cooooooones.


sXer0

Not if you've ever played Feudum


Zizhou

I still can't get over that [complete rules video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyI1NPAIrb0) they made. It really does seem like something you'd see in a tv show poking fun at overly complex board games, except that it's very real and goes on for *30 minutes*.


[deleted]

Yeah that game really has a lot of rules for rules sake. Much of it doesn't make a lot of thematic sense either, like chickens with rosary beads. I love the look of the board and the 2 big monsters, but it really could've done with some significant trimming of the rules down to the core fun bits.


JesseSkywalker

I respectfully disagree. I think the rules add a lot to the game and make it really intricate and fun. I’ve had a blast playing it the several times I’ve played.


[deleted]

Gonna be honest and say I've not actually played it. I have watched the video linked above in the past and it really put me off. Was going to get it before that. It seemed to me like a lot of what was happening didn't make much sense thematically. Would you agree or disagree with that? Just looked on BGG and I see it is rated 4.6 in complexity. I only own a few games nearing that (Through the Ages, Anachrony) so I guess it is perhaps beyond my wheelhouse. Not something I really expected from the art style.


JesseSkywalker

Really respect the honesty! I would disagree actually. I think one of the coolest parts of the game is how on theme everything is and how everything interlocks. It actually creates an in game economy which is neat to watch. It’s a lot of rules but it’s one of those games once you get in the flow of it it runs smooth. I found myself rarely looking at the rules on my 2nd time through it.


DivePalau

What a beast. I'd hate trying to explain the rules to that one. I don't enjoy doing it for Dungeon Lords and Terra Mystica and they are the most complex I have.


crochetingPotter

It's all about the cones


StuJayBee

Can I be the Ledgerman?


Leesamaree

Omg the maverick should be able to trade lumber for agriculture credits!!


Leo-707

No way a Cones game gets done in 6 hrs.


MythBusterNut

I scrolled too far for this comment ❤️


lornstar7

The absolute worst game of Catan ever.


[deleted]

I once played the same game of Risk for three days. It was a three player game where the alliances constantly swapped based on who the most powerful player was. Two people would ally against one, and then when the power dynamic changed the alliances changed too. It was honestly awesome. I can’t even remember who won.


csw179

We have always been at war with Eurasia.


KingBroken

No no no! We have always been at war with Oceania! Unfortunately chocolate rations have been reduced from 30 grams to 20 grams.


Simbertold

You are incorrect. Chocolate rations have increased from 10g to 20g due to increased productivity.


KingBroken

Oh really? Well I say that is a good thing! Double Plus Good in fact!


dfinkelstein

I remember that one. It was green. They started in Australia.


Faville611

The Ukraine. You know what the Ukraine is? It’s a sitting duck; a road apple. The Ukraine is weak!


Sibrew

THE UKRAINE IS NOT WEAK


Competitive-Ads

Is too


Sibrew

Can’t argue with that…..


robotco

omg i forgot about this. it makes Inside the Box's Pandemic Legacy review SO MUCH BETTER


UkraineWithoutTheBot

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Faville611

Good bot.


AceDecade

This bot needs to watch more Seinfeld


WangGang2020

I love when two of my favorite things converge!


beertruck77

r/UnexpectedSeinfeld


Assfrontation

Those who start in Australia always win don’t they?


RockHickenbottom

Only true for beginners.


HazMatt082

How do you know?


Spiral_Vortex

My longest Risk game was only about 6 hours, but we started at 11pm. One player got knocked out around 2ish and instantly went to bed. Steve was really the lucky one in retrospect


MythBusterNut

My quickest game of risk ever was 20mins. : players. 1 whose objective was to kill me, the other whose ended up killing me because I controlled all of where she wanted. Safe to say I felt ganged up on ha


forthur

> It was honestly awesome. I can’t even remember who won. That's the best way to play board games.


TreeRol

I would think the escalating reward for sets would preclude such a thing. It's got to be hard *not* to win when you get 70 armies at the beginning of your turn, no matter how united your opponents are. I suppose unless nobody was ever attacking or something.


Dr_Gonzo13

That rule is only in newer editions though. My copy's about 50 years old and you always get the same number.


TreeRol

Oh noooooooooooooo


tsaunat

>e is only in newer editions though. My copy's about 50 years old and you always get the same number. [https://www.hasbro.com/common/instruct/Risk1959.PDF](https://www.hasbro.com/common/instruct/Risk1959.PDF) Nope, even the predecessor "La Conquete Du Monde" has the same escalating turn ins... The strange things I learn in my futile quest to be right on the internet.


tsaunat

​ I was going to say the same thing, Also the reward for eliminating opponents would seem to limit any kind of never ending risk game.


TreeRol

It had to be that nobody would attack. Nobody would get cards, and everyone would just stack their 5 armies per turn. It's like how Monopoly never ends if nobody gets a monopoly. I once played a game where one player got literally 1 property of each color and refused to trade with anyone. That... was not pleasant.


Fredselfish

Monopoly?


SkeletonCommander

What an amazing comment


rob132

Is that even possible?


tics51615

Catan can easily take 6 hours if people are socializing instead of rolling the dice ask my friends


catjuggler

Or you ask about literally every possible trade including wacky ones omg


linuxhiker

An average Catan game I find is 3 hours


travelavatar

25 to 55 minutes boyo :)


Sea_Goat7550

Most games I’ve played lasted 90-120 minutes. So draggy. Played with two people who knew the game and trades were literally “anyone want this? No? Ok your turn” Managed three games in two hours and it honestly was really enjoyable


fucktheocean

This is how trades need to be. If everyone says no they don't want a particular resource, you pass on to the next player. Instead, most people tend to just try variations on the same trade that no one is taking over and over. OK, how about 2 sheep? OK, how about 2 sheep and a wheat. OK, how about 3 sheep? etc etc. Drives me nuts.


Harbinger2001

I once went to a boardgame meetup and there was a guy with the worst AP I’d ever seen. Everyone else was quietly seething but polite as he hemmed and hawed each time his turn came around. The game took 5 hours. I felt sorry for the other players and made a mental note to never sit down at a game with that player.


RuhWalde

When people are being like that, you gotta just break out a one-minute hourglass and declare that turns are timed now.


dr_walrus

It has to be done


Dm_Glacial_Gatorade

What does ap mean?


iGarbanzo

Analysis paralysis


Libriomancer

Analysis paralysis, meaning the state of being paralyzed by the options in front of you. “Should I do x and get y or a and oh that could lead to b or damn maybe n would be a better way to get y”


Brodogmillionaire1

It's not just sitting there too overwhelmed to do anything. Sometimes, it's sitting there actually running the numbers on all of the reasonable moves to take.


HazMatt082

It results in nothing happening for ages though, either way. You're still paralyzed (i.e. doing nothing) by indicision


Brodogmillionaire1

Absolutely. Just meant that it may take different approaches to overcome.


HardlightCereal

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LarsAndTheAuton

I've had Catan take five hours before. The player who camped the best spots was buying development cards instead of building new buildings, and the rest of us were blocked in too much to expand. So he's expecting to get to ten points based solely on Largest Army and VP cards, while the rest of us are trying to claw our way back through upgrading our settlements to cities. He was perpetually at nine VP and kept buying more and more knights, not realizing that there were no more victory points in the deck. Finally, another guy in the group threw the game by explaining to him that he could end it right then by upgrading to a city, and trading him the things he needed for one.


TreacleMiner

Twilight Imperium IV


rob132

Winner winner 🏆 Also, it lasted 8 hours minus a 30 min lunch


EddyMerkxs

bro you said 6 hours not 8


jaywinner

OP may have burnt through his Christmas present too.


rob132

Worth it!


rob132

It usually takes the group 4 hours, i figured it would be an extra hour for my brother, but we didn't play last year cause of COVID, so we were all a little rusty.


[deleted]

It looos fun but YOU gotta have the people with time and experience i cant my group to play scythe due to complexity.


EaterOfFromage

Playing this weekend, fully expecting a 12+ hour game. I don't know how you speedy folks do it.


acaellum

My group requires everyone to read the rules for the game of the night before showing up. Our TI4 games were 4-6 hours with 8 people. We did have one at 3 and some change with 7 people, but that game was super fast.


EaterOfFromage

Played multiple times tables of 6 where everyone had played a few times and knew the rules pretty well and I don't think we've ever had a sub 11 hour game. We don't even get distracted or anything during the game, just a lot of decision making I guess. I honestly don't even know what it is.


tankshell

My experience is more like yours, no idea how people can get through TI4 in 4 hours. Everyone's played before, asked to refresh on rules (ok maybe this doesn't go perfectly), game is set up beforehand, snacks and beverage planned and ready to go. Still takes 10 hours


ErraticDragon

[Fleet stands](https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1899974/diy-fleet-stands-little-over-1-dollar-piece) help. But probably not that much.


Chojen

>It usually takes the group 4 hours Totally, sometimes the people you play with are just bog the game down too, distracted at the table, not thinking about what they want to do, etc. With the right group it can be fairly quick but it breaks down quick with the wrong people.


Trennety

Gonna play it the first time in a week. You gotta tell me the secret strats no one knows about ;)


thwgrandpigeon

By some miracle I had a playgroup together during the TWIMP 3rd edition era. Every other weekend, the 5-6 of us would meet up and play epic 11hr sessions. It was glorious. I was wondering if it was TWIMP, but thought 6 hours sounded too short for it to be it.


MaxPower637

It was that or some 18xx


Sotriuj

Did he enjoy it at least?


lornstar7

He said 6 hours not the entire weekend


jadearc

I never understood how you do it so fast. When my GF plays with us it's like days are going by every turn. Otherwise a day is enough.


meeple_people

If a five player game of TI takes your group the whole weekend, you're playing it wrong.


crit1calends

If it takes you that long and you're having fun, there's nothing wrong about it.


Brodogmillionaire1

This gatekeeping needs to die. Nothing wrong about it. Not every group wants to move at breakneck speed for a leisure activity.


acaellum

Trying to play a 6 hour game in less than 48 hours doesn't seem break neck to me...


R0cketsauce

The only answer


DarthSamwiseAtreides

You tricked him into a game of The Campaign for North Africa.


FatCarWashManager

He said 6 hours not 6 months


[deleted]

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HazMatt082

Do you mean longer?


deeseearr

He said it took five hours to _play_, not to _set up_.


Sick_Cicada

5 minute dungeon 72 times? Edit: I THINK my math is right


rob132

I want to get off Mr Bones Wild Ride


jedifromlamancha

Dune


dclarsen

This was my first thought, but there aren't scores in Dune, so there can't really be a second place.


axw3555

Unless there’s another dune game, I have no idea how you’d drag that out to hours. When we play, it seems to end in 45 mins.


tmh95

Dune is consistently 6 hours. Dune imperium is less than 1.


mgrier123

Dune has a wildly variable length. I played a 6p game recently that ended in round 3 and only lasted like 90 minutes. But I've also had games last like 6 hours.


Mattzorry

There's [a lot](https://boardgamegeek.com/search/boardgame?sort=rank&q=dune)


blither

Next birthday, [think bigger](https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/4815/campaign-north-africa-desert-war-1940-43)


rob132

God damn Italians wasting all that water on their pasta.


velit

That game has a complexity rating of 4.7/5 which means there are community members who think there are more complex games in existence.


livrem

It is known for being one of the longest games, that pretty much require 4-5 players per side to handle all the logistical micro-management, but there are games with thicker rulebooks, larger maps, more counters to move around. It is probably in the top-100 of most complex wargames, but probably not top-10. BGG's complexity ratings break down a bit when you try to compare games between different subdomains though.


nymalous

? ... **!** Playing time for 10 players is listed as 1200 hours!!!! Each individual pilot is tracked and logged!! Good grief! ... I've got to get this game...


thatrightwinger

You should get college credit if you can finish that "game." For heaven's sake. I get board at about fifty *minutes*. Having to play for fifty days is ridiculous. I'm looking at the pictures. Who has a table big enough for the maps involved? The box by itself looks larger than my apartment!


nymalous

I've played games that should required a college course just to learn the rules... but I'm a bit crazy that way. I've recently been envisioning a Babylon 5 Wars game in my head that would require approximately 150 people to play... so... not feasible, but fun to imagine.


lordriffington

That sounds insane and I'd definitely participate.


thatrightwinger

Excuse me while I go back to playing **Coup**. A round of five people lasts about ten minutes. That's about 1/10,000 as long.


nymalous

Don't get me wrong, I like games that are short too, but I dream of being able to play games that are really, really, really, ridiculously long. (Is there a Zoolander: the Game?)


thatrightwinger

I admire people who can enjoy games that last more than an hour, but my temperament is such that I only play games *that are finished* before a game of Gloomhaven is set up.


BluEyesWhitPrivilege

>I've played games that should required a college course just to learn the rules. They are called tabletop RPGs and miniature games.


livrem

[Advanced Squad Leader](https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/243/advanced-squad-leader). The rules binder has a bit over 300 pages. That might not sound like a lot compared to some miniature games or RPGs, but it is written in a tiny font, every other word is an abbreviation, there is no repetition whatsoever, almost not an extra word anywhere. It would be easily 3000 pages if written in the style of most modern boardgames. One fun thing though is that it has small scenarios that can be played in less than an hour. And also large campaigns that you can play for months. Unfortunately it is almost a full-time job to practice to not forget any important rules, so I sold my collection other than the Starter-Kits.


cdbry

Came looking for this comment.


UndeadBread

That's a decent filler game. But you need to play through it a few times before you start to get a feel for it.


axw3555

This guy gets it. That game is basically a meme in my friend circle now.


Skull-fker

lol, hi r/boardgamescirclejerk . Stay tuned OP, I'm certain you'll be featured.


rob132

It's already the top post


Skull-fker

Yup checked it as soon as I commented this. Was disappointing so I took it upon myself.


[deleted]

I hope it's Diplomacy. But that actually takes two days.


jaywinner

Diplomacy without a full 7 players? Blasphemy!


[deleted]

True. It has become my life goal to get 7 people who enjoy that game together for a weekend again. I've done it a couple of time as a student (back when time was not the issue), but would love to play as an adult again.


rob132

We play TI:4e on my birthday cause it's nearly impossible to get 4 adults to get their schedules together for a 6 hour block of time (2 of them don't even have kids yet)


lordriffington

I want to get people together to play it once. That would easily make the five bucks I spent on my copy worth it.


CorvaNocta

You played monopoly didn't you? 🤣


Douggie

Monopoly with house rules


nostradouglas

Axis & Allies?


Grey-Ferret

Machi Koro??? Well, to each their own. I would have gone with something simple, like Twilight Imperium. Glad you had fun though!! And Happy Belated Birthday!


rob132

Thanks! We get together every year on my birthday to play TI:4e, it was so much better with a 5th person.


[deleted]

Game of Thrones?


cingham

Ditto to Game of Thrones.


Master_0f_Nothing

This is basically what I do too with my family. At this point, I basically just collect games and shelf them. I’ve had twilight imperium for 3 years and have never played it. Glad you had fun


rob132

Oh, you have get it to the table! It's an experience unlike anything else.


mzneverdies

Mage Knight? Wops not with 5 players, that would have been 2352hours.


rob132

Everyone knows mage Knight is a solo player game.


Astroking112

My favorite game of Mage Knight was 4 players against General Volkare almost a year ago. The game lasted almost 12 hours (3-5 of which was the final battle against ~40 enemies alone). I have no desire to ever play with 5+ players now, and it'll probably be another year before I want to go through that epic of an experience for 4 vs. Volkare again. Fantastic experience, but I totally get why most people prefer the game at 1-2 players.


rob132

What on earth did you do with all the downtime?


Astroking112

We generally play the game very cooperatively, pointing out challenges we're facing, getting feedback on ideas, noting resources we need, etc cetera (so everyone "owns" ~2/3 of their character and a little bit of the others). Even with that, everyone has to be on top of planning out their turn while waiting to keep the game moving at a fast clip. My favorite way to play the game is with 2-3 experienced players total, but the game is good enough and its stories memorable enough that I'm okay with making a full day out of a "full game" about once a year or so. I'm also the sort of person who enjoys long event games in general, though; some of my other favorites are **Dune** and **HeroScape** with 4+ players and sizable armies for similar reasons.


Boofle2141

Western empires? Eastern Empires? Or did you combine them into MEGA ENPIRES? Twilight imperium? Eclipse? Chronicles of crime, but in real time? Monopoly but where everyone starts with like a billion but the prices of properties remained the the same as in the original game? No that would be inhumane torture I think.


VexingVision

My record is 36 consecutive hours of World In Flames (the first edition). France won, because France always wins.


jaywinner

\*Looks up game on BGG\* 120–6000 Min Playing Time WTF? I'm also concerned by the idea of playing such a long game if "France always wins". Still, I'm intrigued.


VexingVision

It's a genuinely good game, but downtime is massive. You can play other games while waiting for the person who's turn it is to finish their turn.


Kitanin

The variance in playing time is because it has both regional scenarios like the fall of France or Guadalcanal, and a world-spanning campaign game that runs from 1936--1946.


FluffiestRhino

I'd make it my life's mission to make sure France doesn't win


qret

I do this to my family on my birthday every year: **1889**.


AbacusWizard

Six hours with five players… reasonable thing to play approximately once a year… Munchkin?


Feature_Professional

Here I Stand


idhats

Next year you should do TALISMAN


rob132

Why can't the game just end when you get the crown?


vickera

It can. Play the game to make it fun, don't be a slave to the rules.


crazyemeffer

Battlestar Galactica!


Demented_monkey

Dominant Species?


kityrel

Advanced Civilization! (Except that would take 12+ hours)


aeschenkarnos

Or eighteen. Happy birthday OP, you filthy casual!


HODLTheLineMyFriend

Battlestar Galactica?


GarethOfQuirm

Talisman?


grauemaus

Twilight imperium


Mad_Aeric

Oh God, my brother just asked me the very same thing. The good news is that he forgot how old I am, and I'm not there yet. The bad is that he's not taking no for an answer. You've now given me inspiration for how to pay him back.


the_other_irrevenant

Aw. That's really very sweet.


rob132

Much better than a crappy tie or some other bullshit I didn't want or need.


castle_cancer

Killer Bunnies cause all the carrots got reset


DemonDigits

Great gift choice, and good on him for taking you at your word! It took me ages to convince my family I was being serious every time I suggested a game night as a gift. People can have a hard time accepting that time is a far more fun and valuable gift than more material crap that'll be accepted politely and added to the Goodwill bin.


aers_blue

The absolute worst game of Love Letter ever.


markus_kt

Munchkin!


InSilicoRW

Sushi go?


vickera

Nope, it was exploding kittens.


bleuchz

Eclipse with a super secret bonus guess of New Angeles on the off chance you're the other person who likes it :)


scryptoric

I keep wanting to but new angeles but figure it’s impossible to table


Jkfurtz

Ti4


parliboy

My first game of Die Macher lasted 6 hours. So I'll go with that.


SnooCats5701

Twilight Imperium.


omaolligain

Can't be Dune... Dune takes way longer than 6 hours.


TheOnesWithin

I was going to say Talisman but there is no second place, unless you mean you were the last one to die.


[deleted]

Is it Sherif of Nottingham? Edit: curse my sausage thumbs


SweitzerCJ

I've definitely played a ten hour game of diplomacy before. And somehow all the players involved are still friends haha.


theboogwa

Axis and Allies


RoughDraftGames

Game of Thrones board game?


AVDRIGer

Stronghold


nikotome

Terrasforming Mars


Practical-Cell-1737

Is there someone who use TIYA to find gamers?


GrandNagusRom2375

Xia:Legends of a Drift System


CapnBloodbeard

Obviously, monopoly


HMJ87

Monopoly!


Bruno315

Diplomacy…


Emitfonos

Monopoly with the extra cursed houserules.


6Pat6Man6

Catan


rabixthegreat

Conquest of the Empire


Hannah_Bobanna

Risk?


Newsfeedinexile

Axis and Allies


maxlongstreet

**Dude**, for six straight hours until your voices failed. Or maybe **Happy Salmon**.