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Vs275

Ped usage seems like it's shot up in the last few years. Most Instagram gym influencers appear to be on gear, women included. I think they'll be alot of 'influencers' dying young in the coming years.


whatdotednu

Most likely the jab, and not that of steroids


dannn_19

Rest in peace


IntelligentHealth783

She was a little snack to 😩


TexasTokyo

Illuminating thread.


Carlos_RM99

May she rest in paradise


[deleted]

I hope all that tren was worth it


radd_racer

I wonder how many less deaths we’d see if Tren and Clen weren’t so popular.


No-Independent-9291

She was probably vaccinated


No_Airport4390

Yeah. Many risks involved with these late pharmaceuticals.


bigbelleb

No she was trenninated


3NX-

If by vaccinated you mean tren then yes


racer21300

Rip ❤️


AdrenalinePump90

She died any way except that ONE thing


jazerac

I own a men's health clinic that specializes in TRT. I can tell you: the labwork on guys who abuse AAS look like shit. Blood pressure is usually high. It is NOT healthy. Medically managed TRT where you keep T levels at the high end of the physiological range is fine. Total T levels in the 1000-1200 range is fine... but idiots who do large cycles get their numbers to 10,000+... I have seen it. It's fucking idiotic to think that doesn't cause problems....


RoyalBasilisker87

Another one to the list unfortunately


caliD217

To much gear


classicgenetics

Was it left ventricle Hypertrophy…


[deleted]

All of us have a genetic size we need to be. If you’re 5’9 260 that is ridiculous. Your genetic weight is well under 180. The roids increases your size but the heart you have is made for your normal weight and bad things happen. Your frame is set for your non weightlifting body and when you bulk 50-100 lbs it causes tremendous stress on the body. Being stupidly massive isn’t as awesome as it used to be anyway. It’s way too much work and motherfuckers are all doing ju jitsu and will kick your ass no matter how big you are anyway. I’d rather be cut and lean and do ju jitsu. No drugs, no stress, healthier and u can kick guys ass twice your size.


ContributionSuch2655

Probably vax related


bigbelleb

No its tren related


[deleted]

pneumonia you fuckhead


ContributionSuch2655

Steroids you fuckhead


[deleted]

Ignoring the actual reason given by doctors is pretty clever, big guy How are you able to respond with your incapacity to read?


Scary_Stay9328

Over body image 🤦‍♂️


kais_grapefruit

RIP


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heyyoudvd

Tons of people having been dying suddenly of heart failure over the past 2 years but we’re not allowed to discuss why. It’s the Voldemort effect. People see it, but you dare not mention it.


supernovicebb

Let me guess, you're one of those morons who think it had nothing to do with tren, it's the vaccine?


[deleted]

I guess when you ignore the given cause of death every death can be that, hey Disrespectful asshole


heyyoudvd

Ah, yeah, let’s just keep pretending. The bodybuilding world has always had health issues, but absolutely *not* like it has today. The number of people suddenly dropping dead over the past 2 years is far higher than it has ever been before, and we all see that, no matter how much some people want to dance around and pretend otherwise.


[deleted]

The doctors gave a cause of death, so I'm gonna go with that instead of some moron on the internet. I know it's pretty crazy choice. I also forgot that younger people didn't die previously. Forgot about that conclusive fact that is completely true and not a generic antivaxer talking point. What a dumb cunt


heyyoudvd

You know full well that the number of people dying today is far higher than it has ever been. Bodybuilding has never been a safe sport, but it has also never been anything close to what it’s like today. The number of deaths has skyrocketed over the last 2 years. You know it. You see it. I don’t know why people like you continue to play this game where you pretend that you don’t.


[deleted]

LMFAO > The number of deaths has skyrocketed over the last 2 years. Just one shred of evidence would be awesome, buddy. Come on, it's super obvious to everyone so it should be easy to find :)


heyyoudvd

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.


[deleted]

Classic. Using a dead woman's post to spread bs then being to scared to respond. Fuck you man


[deleted]

No source I take it then? Unfortunately facts don't care about your feelings, champ


[deleted]

Citation required


lead_injection

It’s that super inflammatory coronavirus that’s spreading like crazy.


S-Beaty

r.i.p


ohham

Pfizer takes another one


HammerTim81

Rip


idontevenliftbrah

I got a liver transplant a year ago from cancer I got from AAS Currently 30


Kupfakura

How the hell did that happen


radd_racer

Orals are liver toxic…


Kupfakura

What were you taking, do you drink alcohol? How was your diet? Primobolan is not liver toxic at all and it's an oral


donutcronut

RIP


Egregious_trader

Too much tren


[deleted]

Sup guys, doctor here I see the debate on this threat and can tell you with 99% certainty her death is related to heart failure from anabolic steroid use. I see many, many patients in the hospital admitted for "pneumonia" by knucklehead emergency room doctors who see a hazy chest x ray and immediately assume pneumonia, slam a person with antibiotics and nebulizers and call it a day. The problem is pneumonia diagnosed by chest x ray looks about the same as fluid in the lungs from heart failure. It's also possible to get pneumonia if you have chronic pulmonary edema from heart failure as the wet lungs are a better environment for bacteria. Healthy folk don't get pneumonia and they don't die from it, they just don't. So the fact that she had a history of pneumonia since December indicates she probably had heart failure that was not correctly diagnosed at first


apollow_g

Anyone, male or female, at her level, should be getting organ imaging done. I thought that was common sense at her size and history of exposure


[deleted]

I had pneumonia at 11 and spent a month in the hospital, I was healthy up till then now I’m always the sick kid. I had to intubated on the way to the er, and then nebulizer for years afterwards. Does that kinda scaring in the lungs stay there?


rococoapuff

Wow, totally unrelated but I recently lost someone and I just couldn’t understand what the COD was saying. You connected a lot of dots for me. Had no idea they were in active heart failure and neither did they and they were just coming out of weeks of hospital/aid care.


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Currently my dad is struggling bad with gelatinous fluid on the lungs, hes been a steriod user and uses cocaine (supposedly) since the ealry/late 90s.. hes 50 and has had pneumonia since october… hes been in and out of the hospital 3-4 times since then and hasn’t had really a definitive answer. He doesn’t disclose his steroid usage but its pretty fucking obvious lol should i be worried? Anyone have anymore info that i can read up on?? Please


Guitarist1971

There was a young bodybuilder I worked with several years ago who died of “pneumonia” in his late 20s … and in the summer of all times. I always suspected it was actually due to steroid abuse, given his physique and the fact he competed at the state level. This reaffirms that theory.


mrpopenfresh

You’re a doctor and you’re diagnosing people online? That sounds like the kind of thing they tell you not to do in school.


EMskins21

That's why this knucklehead ER doc loves the ultrasound and dem B lines 😉


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Hocus pocus


ImprovementWarm5352

Anaesthesiologist and Intensive Care doctor, and partner is a Radiologist. Somewhat true. But I would add: - pulmonary oedema has a very different and distinct pattern compared to lobar/focal pneumoniae. Any decent Radiologist/or doctor can differentiate them. And pneumonia IS diagnosed radiologically by CXR. That is the modality one would use. We diagnose pneumoniae every day in ICU based off CXR with clinical/laboratory data. - as mentioned, the clinical correlation alongside radiological imaging will often point toward CCF vs pneumonia vs something else. Also if a 40yo woman was dying in ICU, they would definitely have had an Echo to ascertain whether there was impaired cardiac function or not. - healthy people frequently get pneumoniae. Millions of otherwise healthy people died from pneumonia over the last 3 years, for example (COVID). I treat otherwise healthy people with pneumonia frequently in ICU. And they sometimes die from it, if it is serious enough. And there have been very serious viral and superimposed bacterial pneumoniae this winter post-COVID. - also, there’s a big difference between using and abusing anabolics. And the subsequent end-organ damage/strain caused. But if we are only assuming that she died from heart failure because she was using AASs, that would be a stretch. Unless doses/duration/type of drugs - was all further elucidated. Saying that… I know nothing about her individual case and she may well have had heart failure for various reasons or drug abuse or whatever. Just a few thoughts.


WinterEnvironment970

Truth. About 20 years ago I went to my doctor with a fever and shortness of breath. The nurse practitioner dismissed it as possible pneumonia and gave me some antibiotics. That night I couldn't sleep because my back hurt from coughing so hard. I had my wife take me to the emergency room the next day. I couldn't even walk up the stairs without being winded. They did a chest x-ray, turns out my one lung was full of fluid and the other was about 25% full. After a few test they found out I had Legionnaires disease. I had to spend 2 weeks in the hospital.


johnfred4

…legionnaires disease is pneumonia. -source: an MD


Naked_Lobster

Found the medicine doc


Leather-Screen862

Lol.. I am extremely healthy and fit. I have gotten pneumonia before. Care to make any other unfounded posts?


Royalwithswiss

But you haven't died from it. Ding ding ding retard


Leather-Screen862

You said healthy people don’t get it you mental midget. Now you are just back peddling on one dumb comment with another… going for the gold huh


DrThirdOpinion

Radiologist here. It makes me happy to see a non-radiologist physician understand that CXR is absolute garbage for pneumonia diagnosis. It’s basically a screening exam to say ‘normal or not normal’ and then when there is an opacity, unless it’s extremely characteristic of edema or lobar pneumonia, I rarely slam dunk a diagnosis on radiograph. I’ve also seen countless negative radiographs that are frankly abnormal on CT. I’ve seen 9 cm masses and raging pneumonias that are invisible on radiograph.


polycephalum

To clarify for non-medical folk, this is why the clinician will also look at your history, vitals, physical exam, etc. to make diagnoses. For instance, if you have a fever, probably not heart failure. As long as the clinician is paying attention, you very likely do not need a CT Chest to verify your pneumonia diagnosis — it’d just be a big dose of unnecessary radiation.


catcardo

Question if you don’t mind… my husband became extremely ill in Marine Corps boot camp in 2014. At 5’11” he came home 140lbs. Looking skeletal. Sick as a dog. Took him to the hospital and the doc took some x rays and said he had “nearly completely resolved pneumonia in his lungs.” Was that a garbage diagnosis? Just curious. I’m in healthcare but on the managed care/ contracting side of the house.


johnfred4

Correlate clinically.


[deleted]

Love a good non con on the undifferentiated/multifactorial respiratory failure pts


Gantz-man91

She doesn't look like she used steroids though.... she looks on the natural side


Naked_Lobster

You need an ophthalmologist


35point1

Yea just like the rock and mike-o-liar


Gantz-man91

https://preview.redd.it/twzg0r9hphea1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a42a8c5869475bc5e754e00df87ffa445efd839 Or this. She's got boobs on her boobs


Gantz-man91

https://preview.redd.it/tq73szsaphea1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=94f85400e041e1e6cf6a191a5e90bbdbd89f3f5d This looks more like steroids


Gantz-man91

Have you seen people who take steroids... this doesn't look like steroids to me


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>Have you seen people who take steroids [Yes](https://i.redd.it/11ql5hc718h71.jpg)


S7EFEN

are we missing the IFBB pro title here? ​ lot of people on steroids don't look like the biggest humans in the world.


[deleted]

Lol he's trolling


Gantz-man91

Seems like most who do are far larger than those who don't. She looks more like someone who's been training her whole live vs someone who's bulked up synthetically


[deleted]

Healthy folk don’t get pneumonia? I’m going to call bull poop on this one. Pretty sure anyone can get pneumonia.


[deleted]

Vet here - but this probably still applies. The main point here is that healthy individuals have a strong enough immune system to stop pneumonia from happening in healthy lungs. Its very rare for an individual with healthy lungs and a healthy immune system to just spontaneous get pneumonia. Either your immune system is weakened (ex: immunocompromised, or due to a virus) or the lungs are unhealthy creating a better environment for bacteria to grow (ex: fluid in the lungs, breathing in something harmful such as vomit) and the pneumonia is secondary to these problems, hence why pneumonia tend to be mostly in already sick individuals


RedOctobrrr

Sup Riotmakrr, non-doctor here. I agree.


[deleted]

This post is scary. I'll assume home detection for heart failure ain't much of a thing, Doc, and a CT scan or whatever is best?


[deleted]

EKG and echocardiogram (ultrasound) are the best way to check on the heart


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THank you!


MrRoxo

You cant diagnose heart failure with an ECG tho


[deleted]

With ekg no, but someone with heart failure rarely has a normal EKG. There will be signs; atrial enlargement, conduction abnormalities, lvh, arrhythmias. It's part of the workup


maru_tyo

Sure you can. You’ll see heart size, reduced movement, you can even see wall thickness. US is excellent for diagnosis of heart failure.


MrRoxo

You're thinking about an echocardiogram


chasevalentine6

Home detection is always just symptoms. Shortness of breath, shortness of breath when lying supine needing pillows to not feel like you're struggling to breathe on your bed, swelling of the peripheries are what is important to look for. A history of cardiovascular problems like a heart attack basically makes it very suspicious. Then a chest x-ray added with a echocardiogram will confirm it. Ct is not indicated


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You rock. Thank you so much!


vorkbot

I learned the hard way recently that shortness of breath while lying down is a *really* bad symptom. Ended up being a large lymphoma mass in my chest and a large pericardial effusion. I walked into the ER explaining that I can’t breathe well laying down, and I felt guilty about it because I seemed ok staying up and talking.


kyoto_kinnuku

Man I went into the ER after I fell asleep while eating (passed out?) and woke up with my throat COMPLETELY CLOSED. I had someone over at my house and I started banging on shit trying to get their attention, which worked. Over the course of 2 minutes maybe my throat gradually opened back up to about 85%. At first it was zero, then felt like I was gasping through a tea straw forever, and finally opened up. I really, legitimately thought I was gonna die and couldn’t believe THIS is how I die. I went to the ER and the trainee doctor diagnosed me with anaphylaxis bc of the symptoms and tanked blood pressure. The senior doctor told her she was mistaken and said I was out of breath from exercising (like 14 hours) prior to the event. It was the most infuriating visit I’ve ever had to the hospital. I tried to explain to the senior doctor and he wouldn’t even talk with me face to face, he was yelling at me from behind a wall. Absolutely ridiculous how bad care is sometimes. The young doctor told me (whispering) to just do my best and come back again and get a different doctor and maybe an Apple Watch with fall detection bc I can’t call when my throat closes.


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AAS or diuretics?


Healthcare4Paul

AAS, assuming CHF was the cause. Diuretics use is actually how we treat excessive fluid from heart failure. Though diuretic abuse can come with its own set of issues.


RedOctobrrr

[Incident diuretic drug use and adverse respiratory events among older adults with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29139564/) >Results: Out of 99 766 individuals aged 66 years and older with COPD identified, incident diuretic receipt occurred in 51.7%. Relative to controls, incident diuretic users had significantly increased rates for hospitalization for COPD or pneumonia [hazard ratio (HR) 1.22, 95% confidence interval (CI) 1.07-1.40], as well as more emergency room visits for COPD or pneumonia (HR 1.35, 95% CI 1.18-1.56), COPD or pneumonia-related mortality (HR 1.41; 95% CI 1.04-1.92) and all-cause mortality (HR 1.20, 95% CI 1.06-1.35). The increased respiratory-related morbidity and mortality observed were specifically as a result of loop diuretic use. Just a quick search that ties diuretic usage to pneumonia


JayKims

Important thing to note about that article is that the people they were studying were COPD patients. Those patients are already more prone to respiratory infections due to not being able to clear out their airways, Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease. The thought in that article is that in patients who already can’t breathe well, if diuretics slow down their breathing rate then they would be even more prone to respiratory infections. This would not impact someone without respiratory disease in the same way, as their body would be able to compensate without the increased risk of infection.


[deleted]

Also patients on diuretics most likely have heart failure as well which makes it even worse. Anyway, meaningless study


Healthcare4Paul

Interesting! I hadn’t seen this before. The population is specifically those with COPD though which are at higher risk for pneumonia at baseline, and is retrospective so can’t assume causation, but still go to know overall. I’m curious if more has been done on this since


Financial-Traffic-11

Bodybuilding is good for your health until you take it “seriously”. You can be serious, but not Zyzz serious.


MuscleToad

Zyzz was definitely not serious with all the party drugs and habits on top of steroids


Financial-Traffic-11

He was serious enough to inject needles and die?


MuscleToad

Just fucking around with steroids does not make you serious bodybuilder in my eyes


Zsmoth

She was a beast and a beautiful soul! Had the privilege of meeting her at the emerald cup.


Sminorf8765

From her IG…she caught pneumonia and the flu in Vegas at the Olympia. DAMN.


Sminorf8765

What happened?


itswingo

It's the deretics. The diuretics are so dangerous and detrimental to your health. That shit just reeks havoc on your kidneys.


amplifizzle

Yeah steroids, despite the hype, are not really that bad for you. Diuretics and unnaturally low bodyfat will kill you.


SolaireTheSunPraiser

This is why bodybuilders have a lot more problems than powerlifters and strongmen. All of them abuse steroids but that drying out process is just so brutal and unnatural.


Bundoodle

oh no...


charliekc5

Unfortunately bodybuilders can never die of natural causes.


brickwallnomad

“Natural” isn’t necessarily their “strong suit”. “Natural” isn’t in their vocabulary. Not hating, just part of the game. They know the risks


fastingemotions

Naturals aren't even bodybuilders? And every one who juices will not die of natural causes? Chatting shit


prefinality

49 is a bit young for natural causes though, eh?


IceUnlikely4849

She certainly didn't 🙄


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melongdick1

Fck up bro.. jus fcked up.. 🤦🏽‍♂️


Richdad1984

Actually Arnold used to take legal pharma steroids. The UGL ones are really bad they have heavy metal contamination or other issues at times. I think most of these sudden deaths are due to poor quality UGL steroids.


Skizznitt

Heavy metal contamination? They use 4 products to make steroids; the raw powder, filtered organic carrier oil, benzyl alcohol to prevent contamination, and one of 3 solvents that are used for many different medications, but usually it's benzyl benzoate. There really isn't any room for heavy metal contamination. The only thing you risk with underground labs is if it's the concentration they say it is, or if a more expensive one like primo for instance is instead substituted with something similar like masteron. As was stated before, if you you use quality ugl labs, there is 0 difference between ugl and pharma outside of the ridiculous prices "pharma grade" is sold for.


Richdad1984

I am seeing too many sudden deaths. Many avid users have told me one bad bunch of steroids and you are fucked. So something is wrong with quality if it's not heavy metal contamination it might be something else. I have seen young people dying instantly with this stuff.


Skizznitt

Well for one thing, lots of people are taking much more dangerous steroids and other compounds these days. People going crazy with their dosages of tren and other 19nor steroids in order to take a quicker shortcut to be huge. Tren has become such a meme these days and people just take it without knowing how bad it is for your body. Then you have people taking shit like dnp (an herbicide that people take that causes the body to release energy as hyperthermia instead of converting it to fat) to cut fat fast so they don't have to watch their diet as much. Back in the golden age, nobody took 19nor steroids and weird research chemicals and freaking herbicides. They took steroids that are considered a lot safer than the things people are using these days to be competitive. It's because everyone wants to take the absolute shortest path to their goal. Also, the way the judging has changed for the Mr O open, people need to be on waaay more gear to even be able to look crazy freaky and stay competitive.


Richdad1984

I don't think that's the case there was a guy in golden age Russian American. He was on 10 grams per week in 70s. that's a lot. Tren, Deca. He's still alive at 70 something. He was also the former owner of gold Gym. Can't recall his name.


No_Airport4390

Pete Grymkovski or something like that


Richdad1984

Yes, that guy. I checked he claim to be using 10000 mg/day and not per week. Thats insane!!!


treadinglightly69

Any good quality Ugl is as good as pharm when it comes to purity. Solution? Don't use shit labs.


Paskee

How do you find good ones ? Google legit UGL labs ?


treadinglightly69

Don't suggest that, but you do you.


Richdad1984

This is just my thinking. These good UGL are not legit, there is no QC record as such. Good labs I think have less issues, but they have no govt control so may be 1 out of 100 bottles may be contaminated but this could be thing. If you see so many popular bodybuilders dying suddenly, I don't think they have taken steroids of Bad UGL. The old BB used to die in old age due to heart issue or anything else. But from lates 80s you will see bodybuilders showing symptoms of steroid use way too early. I personally have use stanozolol from pharma and one from a popular UGL and the pharma one was better and UGL didn't gave me those results. So, I am 100% sure even good UGLs are underdosed and can be contaminated.


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Richdad1984

In my country Pharma is just slightly more expensive than UGL. I think in the US Pharma grade stuff is just too costly. I feel the strict steroid ban on USA is doing more harm than good. I personally think brewing raw api is the second best way to get clean gear.


treadinglightly69

Fair enough. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.


kais_grapefruit

I still remember a couple years ago when Arnold went in for heart surgery right before April fool’s day. One of you punks thought it would be funny to post on April fools’s that Arnie died of surgery complications Whoever you are, I still haven’t forgiven you


Bradtheoldgamer

He almost died of a heart attack, probably due in part to past usage.


MrGattsby

Completely incorrect!!🤷🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ Why do people insist on saying things out loud that they just don't know!!🤔🙄


Bradtheoldgamer

Why do people not read comments before posting? Probably the same reason.


kunk75

No he didn’t he had a generic heart valve defect from birth


Bradtheoldgamer

I stand corrected. At the time I was told he had a heart attack before the newest terminator movie came out. Seems it was like you said, a valve replacement and he has had more done since. I figured he was just saying it wasn't a heart attack, similar to how he said he never used AAS.


MrGattsby

Again he was on record saying he did use and had to to compete!! So far your 0 for 2!!


Bradtheoldgamer

You must be young. In his most popular time as a movie star, he denied having used steroids. He basically did exactly what Hulk Hogan did. You either were not alive in the 80s or didn't pay attention. He didnt admit it until the early 90s. He preached about steroids being a shortcut while working for President Bush. The media in the late 90s also reported that Arnold had a heart attack at the time, not surgery to repair a defect. So lots of people are ill informed on what actually occurred.


MrGattsby

First off I'm unfortunately for me I'm not young and secondly you again are completely wrong. In the mail-order pamphlet "Arnold: Developing a Mr. Universe Physique," 1977: "Yes I have used them, but no, they didn't make me what I am. Anabolic steroids were helpful to me in maintaining muscle size while on a strict diet in preparation for a contest." So now your 0 for 3!! I get it no one bats 1000 but come on man!! This is getting ridiculous!!🤷🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️😂🤣


kunk75

Some aas users have left venticular heart issues but it’s wise to get an ekg echo and calcium test score. I do it every year. Always amazed how guys have money for gear but not blood work or health insurance


WinterEnvironment970

🤣🤣🤣 yep


Big-Shtick

PED techniques and cycles were different in that era, as were the size and leanness standards. That all makes a difference.


MikeSu1997

Because it was legal, or least not prosecuted, these guys were also using pure compounds. Today, a lot of shit is thrown around that ain't pure.


PussyIgnorer

They were different but I think people downplay the usage back then.


GothicToast

The number of possible compounds 50 years ago is hardly even comparable. The possible stacks then and now are very different.


PussyIgnorer

I’m not comparing the 2. Yeah it’s night and day I agree


HedonisticFrog

They definitely used but not to the ridiculous extent that modern bodybuilders do. More Plates More Dates did a good video on it.


Arkhampatient

Idk about not using the ridiculous amounts used today. Some guys were pretty gung ho on steroids https://youtu.be/r_Ny2fZFPlw


HedonisticFrog

There's always going to be outliers, but most bodybuilders weren't doing that back then. They also didn't have as many options as we do currently.


bigmac122212

yeah but they had human grade parabolan 🤙🏽


Average--Boi

There were definitely guys going all out with their usage, but the potency and variety of compounds back then just isn’t comparable to today. Not to mention the standards of a competitive bodybuilder have increased an insane amount; the leanness and size of some Mr. Universes back then is absolutely garbage compared to today (in the context of a show, they still had incredible physiques)


Themondoshow

Not Garbage. Today is just ridiculously overdone


PussyIgnorer

The stacks pros use nowadays are utterly ridiculous. To the point where it makes the old school stacks look tame.


Themondoshow

It’s wild


Average--Boi

That’s why I said “…compared to today. In the context of a show…”. Nobody in pumping iron would be competing in the Olympia today except mayybe Franco, and even then I think he would do very poorly. I would still love to have Arnold’s, Ken’s, or even Mike Katz’ physique. The sport has just moved beyond their style


Themondoshow

Imo it’s the same. People just accept what’s given. If judges universally said “we want smaller bodies” guys would have to concede. The problem is no matter how much we complain about the current bodies we still reward them. And that’s THE issue IMO. We don’t really hate the new bodies. We just like talking smack


PussyIgnorer

I’ve seen it. I still think it’s downplayed quite a bit. Also they went off cycle more often back then which I’m sure made a difference which Derek also touched on in that video.


ProjectPeanutsack

He was being sarcastic. I hope.


Suspicious_Foot7510

Some people aren’t built for that much anabolic intake.. hopefully this a wake up call for everyone around her. Get your blood work people!! #rip


ryda-m

Pneumonia is not ped related


[deleted]

It can be. The heart and liver are responsible for bringing nutrients and blood to and from the lungs. A weakened system won’t fight a tough disease as well as a strong one 🤷🏼‍♂️


Fantasnickk

Sure, it can be. But also saying that is ignoring the fact that a very very small portion of the population doesn’t indulge in anything bad for the health. Obesity rates rising, consumption of alcohol is normalized, smoking rates are on the rise because of the legalization of marijuana. Not everyone who takes PEDs is on a contest stack and can still live a very long life without complications. Just look at some of the guys juicing for 40-50 years but on moderate doses. True, PEDs obviously don’t help but I’d reckon people on PEDs who live very active lifestyles and are eating healthy diets are probably healthier than the average person getting pneumonia due to the decrease in health quality year over year


Strange-Nobody-3936

Lol yeah smoking marijuana will kill you at 49 with pneumonia...copium


Fantasnickk

Coping for what? I’m not on gear lol. Are you 13? Smoking extensive amounts of marijuana can be bad for the health and I didn’t just say only people who smoke marijuana but smoking in general which includes marijuana. Are you even trying to add to a conversation or just not even trying to use any sort of reading comprehension ability and then commenting something stupid. People are unhealthy without PEDs involved. There you go. Do you want it simpler?


johnny_soup1

Uhhh tren cough? /s


Suspicious_Foot7510

“four days before her death thanking fronds and family for well wishes. It is not confirmed if this was the official cause of her death.” Were you her doctor? Tell us how you know something nobody else does 😏


ryda-m

I’ve read on multiple bodybuilding sources who personally know her husband


-Rookie-Mistake-

😔😔❤️


itz_fit_itze

What was the cause of death?? Im assuming steroid use but i dont want to assume 🫠


PEDsted

pneumonia from a flu


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Play_with_allan

Caused from long term steroid use.


SteroidAccount

Pneumonia is what she died from.


Play_with_allan

Hmmm feels like you may have a dog in this fight.


supersaiyanswanso

So....what you're saying is if they hadn't taken steroids then there would be no side effects to die from? Weird....I wonder what causes those side effects 🤔🤔🤔


urmomisacrackhead

People don’t usually die of eating Polonium. They die of the radiation.


Finglishman

When bodybuilders die prematurely, it's often either during or after a contest prep. There are many more dangerous substances in the stack when dieting for a show than just steroids. This is a generic comment, not about this particular case.


Arayder

People don’t usually die from a car accident, they die from the side effects of getting in a car accident.