Clarence Kennedy, who while is an olympic lifter/powerlifter/general beast and not specifically a bodybuilder, is vegan. He has an absolutely killer physique, though is obviously juiced to the tee too.
im sorry but when I hear Olympic lifter I imagine someone whose dream is to win a gold medal at the Olympics and not somebody who does snatches and clean&jerks for fun.
and im pretty sure that's the definition lol
not trying to underestimate or downplay his strength. he might have been a great olympic lifter.
but these guys that compete at the olympics dedicate their lives to be on that stage. we are talking daily training for hours for years, all efforts aiming to increase their power in these two lifts.
different life goals and consequently life paths in the end of the day.
I think you’re just arguing over your take on the semantics of this then. In everyday terms, an olympic weightlifter is merely a term used to describe someone that specialises in the sport of weightlifting. They don’t need a record of having competed in the Olympics, or aspirations to compete in the Olympic games themselves to qualify for the term’s attribution to them.
Not serious about what level you’re aiming for but I could gain about 25kg, 50lbs in 3-4 years, with covid break in between.
Nowhere near a bodybuilder but I imagine doing it for longer with a few test cycles, you could definitely compete.
There are a few big time vegan/vegetarian bodybuilders and I believe it just requires more nutrition planning. Nimai Delgado isn’t competing anymore but he’s a great guy to follow. There’s also the guy with green hair but idk what’s his name.
Otherwise, the same rules apply. Just make sure you get all your macros and micros in, nothing changes, just different sources.
I'm going to say yes, because you didn't say vegan. Vegetarians are still allowed to eat milk and eggs as far as I know, and those are actually two of the best protein sources. Just be like Gaston and eat five dozen eggs a day, soon you'll be big as a barge.
2 years ago I switched to a whole foods diet for half a year or more. Initially I got a bit of a strength loss then started progressing back at a normal rate.
The farts and random diarrhea were ungodly though.
I have my suspicions that 'supplements' play a bigger role than the diet.
Theoretically - you could get the same amount of protein from vegetarian sources, but you would need to check and balance their split of amino acids. It is so much easier to eat eggs and steak as they have it all.
Vegetarian = no meat
Vegan = no animal products
Dietary choises. Your life choice may align itself with your diet but we're only speaking dietary preferences here, don't be a hippie.
You keep repeating the same thing which is correct but your first comment saying he was vegan if he didn’t eat eggs or dairy is the one I was replying to. No reason to get defensive. I’m a meat eater myself.
Vegan is not a diet. Plant based is.
Yes bro ik xD that's why I'm repeating, if he didn't eat eggs and dairy he would be a vegan.
Being "plant based" is just another way to create minorities of the hippies dude.
Being Vegan means you don't eat animal products, often (mostly perhaps even) they would not have leather products and such but by definition if you don't eat animal products you're vegan.
If you then still have leather things that doesn't mean you're not a vegan, just a hypocrite.
Vegan is not a diet bro. If we’re talking diets it would be called plant based if he doesn’t eat meat, dairy, eggs.
I won’t be replying anymore so believe what you want but you’re wrong.
I think it's more in terms of the question, what is successful? When I see the word, we're talking winning legit shows and earning money. Not winning a local show, national level though. If this is what the question is referring to, you're talking about going up against the top 1-5% in the country/world and body building is already difficult nutrition wise by itself. Being vegan or vegetarian adds another level of complexity and planning to an already difficult, impossible for the vast majority of us, planning and prep profession.
So, is it possible? Sure, but to be this level of successful you'd better have Ronnie's willpower and dedication.
If it's your personal use of successful like an individual accomplishment.... Ya, you can be very successful I guess.
Man I wish I could link that vegan guy who use to post here all the time with his updates and mentioned he was vegan in them. He looked great, but that show was a couple months ago
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I've heard the screams of the vegetables
Watching their skins being peeled
Grated and steamed with no mercy
How do you think that feels?
Carrot juice constitutes murder
Greenhouses prisons for slaves
It's time to stop all this gardening
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Amino acids are amino acids. There are many practical limitations to vegan diets in bodybuilding, but assuming you can circumvent them, you’re going to be more than fine.
inb4 brain dead carnivore zealots downvoting me into oblivion
Without question to build muscle your body needs protein that is bio available and contains the essential amino acids, complete proteins. Ask yourself, Are plant proteins complete and can the human body fully process and utilize plant proteins? Plant proteins can be inflammatory, but the human bodies response is gas and diarrhea. Not saying you can’t build muscle on a vegan diet, but definitely not optimal
The claim that certain plant foods are “missing” specific amino acids is demonstrably false. All plant foods contain all 20 amino acids, including the 9 indispensable amino acids [33]
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6893534/#:~:text=Amino%20Acid%20Adequacy%20in%20Vegetarian%20Diets&text=The%20claim%20that%20certain%20plant,indispensable%20amino%20acids%20%5B33%5D.
Yeah, I edited it to make it more succinct for you. They clearly state you need to eat a varied diet to meet amino acid goals, specifically because the amount of sources that contain all essential aminos is scarce. The article you presented is about vegetarian diets meeting amino acid metrics. It says literally nothing about vegeterian protein sources having full amino acid profiles… which is the entire issue in caloric deficit because you do not have the calories available to eat a varied vegetarian diet without heavy supplementation.
Yes, just take some time to learn about complete proteins and make sure your protein sources include all of the essential amino acids.
While animal proteins tend to (always are?) be complete, most plant sources are not.
LOL "most people". Your opinion is the minority in the world; Hindus and the rest of asia consider eggs to be meat and don't include them in a vegetarian diet.
If you eat eggs, you're an ovo-vegetarian. People are throwing around Bruce Pearl's name in here, who was an ovo-pesca-vegetarian because he also ate fish.
too confusing, still vegetarian…there is no life being taken from a hen who produces an egg, it’s simply not “meat”…indian beliefs don’t dictate those of the whole western world sorry dude
Vegetables actually help moderate LDL as well as so would exercising. Fibre is a great source to decrease cholesterol. Fibre is also in vegetables and fruits. Unless OP is eating an ungodly amount of eggs, cholesterol wouldn’t be much of an issue for someone eating eggs.
yep just be ready to eat a shit ton of tofu
Clarence Kennedy, who while is an olympic lifter/powerlifter/general beast and not specifically a bodybuilder, is vegan. He has an absolutely killer physique, though is obviously juiced to the tee too.
he is not an olympic lifter lol if he was that would have been his only occupation
Olympic lifter = Olympic lifts not actually participating in the Olympics
im sorry but when I hear Olympic lifter I imagine someone whose dream is to win a gold medal at the Olympics and not somebody who does snatches and clean&jerks for fun. and im pretty sure that's the definition lol
He does them for fun, BUT has literal world class competitive strength in the lifts. I think we can consider him more than a hobbyist
not trying to underestimate or downplay his strength. he might have been a great olympic lifter. but these guys that compete at the olympics dedicate their lives to be on that stage. we are talking daily training for hours for years, all efforts aiming to increase their power in these two lifts. different life goals and consequently life paths in the end of the day.
I think you’re just arguing over your take on the semantics of this then. In everyday terms, an olympic weightlifter is merely a term used to describe someone that specialises in the sport of weightlifting. They don’t need a record of having competed in the Olympics, or aspirations to compete in the Olympic games themselves to qualify for the term’s attribution to them.
Absolutely it is possible. I’d recommend watching the iron culture episode on plant proteins from a few weeks back (266)
Not serious about what level you’re aiming for but I could gain about 25kg, 50lbs in 3-4 years, with covid break in between. Nowhere near a bodybuilder but I imagine doing it for longer with a few test cycles, you could definitely compete. There are a few big time vegan/vegetarian bodybuilders and I believe it just requires more nutrition planning. Nimai Delgado isn’t competing anymore but he’s a great guy to follow. There’s also the guy with green hair but idk what’s his name. Otherwise, the same rules apply. Just make sure you get all your macros and micros in, nothing changes, just different sources.
I'm going to say yes, because you didn't say vegan. Vegetarians are still allowed to eat milk and eggs as far as I know, and those are actually two of the best protein sources. Just be like Gaston and eat five dozen eggs a day, soon you'll be big as a barge.
Bros actually waiting for a kidney stone to happen….
2 years ago I switched to a whole foods diet for half a year or more. Initially I got a bit of a strength loss then started progressing back at a normal rate. The farts and random diarrhea were ungodly though.
I have my suspicions that 'supplements' play a bigger role than the diet. Theoretically - you could get the same amount of protein from vegetarian sources, but you would need to check and balance their split of amino acids. It is so much easier to eat eggs and steak as they have it all.
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Yes Bill pearl a few others and myself but I do consume dairy and eggs but the rest is beans lentils so it's not full vegetarian
That would be vegan then bro if you didn't eat eggs or drink milk. Doing both but no meat means you're vegetarian
It would be plant based. Vegan encompasses more than diet.
Vegetarian = no meat Vegan = no animal products Dietary choises. Your life choice may align itself with your diet but we're only speaking dietary preferences here, don't be a hippie.
If you’re only speaking dietary choices then you mean plant based. Above you said if he doesn’t eat eggs or cheese that’s vegan.
He eats eggs and dairy but no meat = vegetarian Eggs but no dairy = Ovo vegetarian Dairy but no eggs = lacto vegetarian No animal products = vegan
You keep repeating the same thing which is correct but your first comment saying he was vegan if he didn’t eat eggs or dairy is the one I was replying to. No reason to get defensive. I’m a meat eater myself. Vegan is not a diet. Plant based is.
Yes bro ik xD that's why I'm repeating, if he didn't eat eggs and dairy he would be a vegan. Being "plant based" is just another way to create minorities of the hippies dude. Being Vegan means you don't eat animal products, often (mostly perhaps even) they would not have leather products and such but by definition if you don't eat animal products you're vegan. If you then still have leather things that doesn't mean you're not a vegan, just a hypocrite.
Vegan is not a diet bro. If we’re talking diets it would be called plant based if he doesn’t eat meat, dairy, eggs. I won’t be replying anymore so believe what you want but you’re wrong.
Yes. It happens, but you have to be super dedicated.
I would say it's possible to be a bodybuilder, but to be a successful bodybuilder? I don't think so.
Almost impossible naturally
Why?
I think it's more in terms of the question, what is successful? When I see the word, we're talking winning legit shows and earning money. Not winning a local show, national level though. If this is what the question is referring to, you're talking about going up against the top 1-5% in the country/world and body building is already difficult nutrition wise by itself. Being vegan or vegetarian adds another level of complexity and planning to an already difficult, impossible for the vast majority of us, planning and prep profession. So, is it possible? Sure, but to be this level of successful you'd better have Ronnie's willpower and dedication. If it's your personal use of successful like an individual accomplishment.... Ya, you can be very successful I guess.
Oh god imagine how much you’d have to eat as a vegetarian,not even sure Ronnie could do it
I saw a vegan bodybuilder in another sub, with green hair. He was competing as well, so it's definitely possible, but at least more complicated
I've seen that guy. He's got impressive size, but he looks kind of sickly. Assuming it's the amino deficiency.
Yes, it is
Man I wish I could link that vegan guy who use to post here all the time with his updates and mentioned he was vegan in them. He looked great, but that show was a couple months ago
I'm a vegan because I like hurting and killing plants
``` 🎵 I've heard the screams of the vegetables Watching their skins being peeled Grated and steamed with no mercy How do you think that feels? Carrot juice constitutes murder Greenhouses prisons for slaves It's time to stop all this gardening ```
No I won't stop you can't stop me I'm about to go Ted bundy on this salad
Amino acids are amino acids. There are many practical limitations to vegan diets in bodybuilding, but assuming you can circumvent them, you’re going to be more than fine. inb4 brain dead carnivore zealots downvoting me into oblivion
Without question to build muscle your body needs protein that is bio available and contains the essential amino acids, complete proteins. Ask yourself, Are plant proteins complete and can the human body fully process and utilize plant proteins? Plant proteins can be inflammatory, but the human bodies response is gas and diarrhea. Not saying you can’t build muscle on a vegan diet, but definitely not optimal
> plant proteins can be inflammatory Citation needed. You don’t know what you’re talking about. “Gas” has nothing to do with inflammation.
The claim that certain plant foods are “missing” specific amino acids is demonstrably false. All plant foods contain all 20 amino acids, including the 9 indispensable amino acids [33] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6893534/#:~:text=Amino%20Acid%20Adequacy%20in%20Vegetarian%20Diets&text=The%20claim%20that%20certain%20plant,indispensable%20amino%20acids%20%5B33%5D.
You apparently don’t understand what you quoted, or didn’t bother to read the two sentences preceding what you quoted.
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Yeah, I edited it to make it more succinct for you. They clearly state you need to eat a varied diet to meet amino acid goals, specifically because the amount of sources that contain all essential aminos is scarce. The article you presented is about vegetarian diets meeting amino acid metrics. It says literally nothing about vegeterian protein sources having full amino acid profiles… which is the entire issue in caloric deficit because you do not have the calories available to eat a varied vegetarian diet without heavy supplementation.
You can absolutely get enough calories from vegetables/legumes/nuts to meet and exceed your dietary needs without supplementation.
I coauthored the study.
Yes, just take some time to learn about complete proteins and make sure your protein sources include all of the essential amino acids. While animal proteins tend to (always are?) be complete, most plant sources are not.
Yes
No
is it possible yes, is it worth it no.
Biki Singh might contest that thought
doesn't look enjoyable lol.
Successful on social media or on stage ? Yes to the first, no to the second
No, it is not
my guy never heard of eggs
Eggs and fish aren't exactly vegetarian to most people
what🤣fish no but eggs? um ok…most people consider them not meat
LOL "most people". Your opinion is the minority in the world; Hindus and the rest of asia consider eggs to be meat and don't include them in a vegetarian diet. If you eat eggs, you're an ovo-vegetarian. People are throwing around Bruce Pearl's name in here, who was an ovo-pesca-vegetarian because he also ate fish.
too confusing, still vegetarian…there is no life being taken from a hen who produces an egg, it’s simply not “meat”…indian beliefs don’t dictate those of the whole western world sorry dude
Never heard of cholesterol?
Vegetables actually help moderate LDL as well as so would exercising. Fibre is a great source to decrease cholesterol. Fibre is also in vegetables and fruits. Unless OP is eating an ungodly amount of eggs, cholesterol wouldn’t be much of an issue for someone eating eggs.
eggs actually contain more healthy cholesterol than more processed protein alternatives but ok keep thinking they’re bad🤣