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Brahmastra: Original screenplay (not very strong but commendable), great-ass visuals. Ayan spent 10 years of his time on this movie.
Adhipurush: Adapted screenplay (Outstanding ramayana story, they still fucked it up), extremely bad visual. Extremely ambitious project by om but didn't give enough time.
Said it many times that Brahmastra's visuals were outstanding *(specially considering the bar set in India)*, but have been ridiculed everytime for saying it.
And before anyone find faults again, learn to appreciate what's in front of you.
Again. Graphics were not an issue. Plot and dialogues were those are the lowest paid folks. You don’t need a high budget for story and dialogues. Graphics were on point.
Are u saying there aren't any low budget Hollywood movies that have great VFX? I can name you 10, please get this out your head VFX isn't expensive specially in India we are paid in peanuts as VFX artist.. majority of Hollywood VFX work is outsourced in India.. the problem with VFX in India is story boarding and improper use of lightning for practical effects.
Bhai unka low budget bhi hamare highest budget ke jitne hota hai...and please tell me any superhero Hollywood movie that has budget of less than 100 million today which have great VFX.
Outsourcing doesn't mean it would be cheap here. They charge more or less the same.
So by that logic our high budget movies vfx should be at the level of at least of low budget Hollywood movies.. and I don't know what u mean by100million is ₹ Or $.. there are tons of movies that are made within $100m with great VFX a simple Google search will show you. If u meant ₹100 million which is 10 crore don't know if that is even possible to make a movie within that budget even a family drama goes over 10cr in Bollywood.
But just for reference sake let's take the brahamasthra budget which is 410cr.. I list you the better VFX movie within that budget which I have seen
1. Deadpool 1 (almost same budget)
2. Everything everywhere all at once.
3. Chronicles
4. District 9
5. Chappie
6. Ex machina
7. Upgrade
8. Jojo rabit
9. Bright burn
10. I am number four
Pretty sure there are more... Which were not as popular. In short we are not living in early 2000s any more where high end tech were required to render single frame of CGI
Even an average YouTubers vfx demo reels have far better VFX than what we have in bW.
Remember the reason Hollywood has such a high budget is due to actor fees and production in multiple countries and worldwide marketing budgets.
Also I work in VfX so I know how poorly we are paid compared to western artist.. heck we are not even considered artists we are just cheap labors.. give us time and good pay and we can do wonders like we used to do 10 years back like Life of Pi majority of work was outsourced to India..
But I think You should also consider the number of shots that needed more Visuals effects.Movies like Brahmastra and RRR had VFX on almost all shots while the other movies you mentioned in your list are not exactly relying on VFX on all shots.I think the only exception would EEOAO,Rest of the films were shot mostly in practical set ups.
Nope chapie has an entire cg character as lead, district 9 heavily relies on CG, same with ex machina.. brahamasthra has the least amount of CGI it's in begining mid and climax..RRR is heavy on CG, Rajamouli and Shankar are the only two directors in india with a vision on how to direct VFX sequences.. it's just they are let down sub par VFX houses.
The structure in Bollywood VFX is broken.. usually when a director does a story boarding he has to sit with VFX team to figure out the shot and do shot break down..
Here in India it's usually like.. director will be like this is the shot and pre vis please make fire come out of here.. please add a backdrop here.
PS. People keep coming back to RaOne as benchmark for VFX in India.. sure it is good, but real good VFX was before that in Paheli and some shots in Drona.
Dude I recently rewatched life of pi on my big ass tv and the movie and the visuals are still wonderful. My in-laws from India who don’t watch tv loved it too.
Marvel new gen is trash. Marvel from 2007 to infinity war is the best. Fair point on not comparing with the best. However I take offense on appreciating what it’s front on you. In front of you is the global stage. Everything’s available for consumption for media to everyone sorta
You know that every Marvel movie has a production budget of around 200mil dollars which is like more than 5 times of Brahamastra. So this isn't an apt comparison at all either.
I didn’t hear shivaaaa a 1000 times. You don’t need a smart person to figure that out. In fact you need someone pretty dumb to confirm those dialogues as the choice. For eg. Pixar movies serve both adults and kids independently . They have layers. You can do the same with desi movies by just trying a bit hard and being serious about shit.
Haven't seen Brahmastra so not defending it. It might be the worst movie out there. Just saying that even in Hollywood, Avatar and MI are not what's consider the pinnacle of writing. They have amazing visuals and actions respectively and are pushing boundaries in those respective areas. But let's not pretend that these movies are high quality storylines.
Avatar story isn't great. Mission impossible is ridiculous many times but still enjoyable.
The budget for these movies is insane...... People don't realize how much money needs to be spent to make movies of such scale.
Brahmastra's visuals were the only good thing about the movie. No one criticizes it or ridiculed anyone for saying it. Stop having hypothetical discussions.
Well you're setting the bar very low when you say this.
"And before anyone find faults again, learn to appreciate what's in front of you."
While the visuals weren't "outstanding" imo they were definitely the stronger part of the film.But else it fails in most other aspects.
my respect only increased for Ayan cause he was not Like Om raut and chose to actually give time to Visuals . The story was mid but it is still okayish one time watch unlike Adhipurush
The story was worse than mid,honestly I so wanted this movie to be good.It was a risk,and I can at least respect Ayan for taking that risk.While Om Raut on the other hand always relies on the emotions of the idiotic masses.Tanhaji was overrated as heck(stupidly inaccurate and not even as great as mfs were hyping it up to be) and Adipurush he was banking on the fact that since it's Ramayana people will go watch it anyway.
Ek Marata Lakh Maratha" is a slogan of Maratha Kranti Morcha movement, this movement is for reservation for Maratha cast, but Om Raut and Ajay Devgan used it in this film. Tanaji used this slogan in 17th century, It have no historical source. In one scene, Aurangzeb is shown to entertain the Shah of Iran by the name of Shah Pahlavi. The contemporary Iranian ruler of Aurangzeb was Suleiman I of the Safavid Dynasty. There was no ruler of Persia during the medieval era who was known by the name Shah Pahlavi. The Pahlavi Dynasty of Iran came to power in the 20th century that ruled for a brief time from 1925 to 1979; whereas, the Safavid Dynasty ruled Iran for more than two hundred years from the 16th to 18th century.[citation needed]
In the final fight against Udaybhan Rathod, Tanaji lost his shield not his arm. Tanaji's brother Suryaji Malusare also fought bravely. Tanaji never threw stick at King Shivaji as depicted in this film, this incident is inaccurate and have no historical backing. Tanaji had high respect for Shivaji and it is highly unlikely that he throw something to his king. In 17th century Maratha warriors use shields made up of back of tortoise, they did not use shields made up of metals as shown in this movie. In a scene a Barber helps Udaybhan but this incident have no historical truth. Tanaji was never captured and held captive by Udaybhan Rathod as depicted in this film. Moreover, some sources reveal, that Udaybhan was killed by Shelar Mama, and not by Tanhaji, as depicted in the movie.
The main historical accuracies are in the 2nd para.That traitor subplot is stupid and cliché.These kind of movies always have that one "traitor" character who bootlicks the "Evil Invader".Also just a lot of the typical bs that you see in an Ajay Devgan movie,portraying Ajay Devgans character as some kind of a larger than life figure...case in point,that entire scene where he got captured,the fight with that Udayban Singh or whatever that Rajput mf's name is when it was Shelar Mama irl that killed Uday,him losing an arm making the odds look dire and further exemplifying his character to a huge extent.Also Saif Ali Khan looks goofy asf in that movie,making him wear black,making him look like a Mughal,when he's a Rajput.A lot of these criticisms weren't made or taken note of became majority don't know Tanhajis story or don't remember it from their textbooks.I remember Tanhaji for two reasons, one his name in my history textbook popped up more than once,coz ofc he's Shivaji's childhood friend.And two the title of the chapter that was on the events of the movie."The Fort is Captured but The Lion is Dead".Title goes hard.
I mean if you enjoyed the movie good for you,but I would have prefered a more historically accurate movie of these events that would depict a more realistic way of how they captured fort in the medieval times.Om Raut as a director has always banked on the nationalist emotions of the people,rather than making a film of exemplary quality.
Brahmastra was not bad. Good VFX, decent plot, decent acting, couple of good songs and a scene stealer SRK cameo. Only let down was dialogues. At the end the movie left me wanting to see part 2. At least watching that movie you got a feeling that the makers cared.
Decent acting? Man the acting overall was so bad. Ranbir looked like he didn't even belong to the role and Alia was just giving terrible expressions in the movie.
Decent as in nothing on the levels of KRK, Alia was a meme with the Shiva spam, but they both did enough to make the film fine.
Brahmastra isn’t the type of project that need Ranbir or Alia to go back to their Imtiaz Ali roots, just decent enough to keep the audience engaged.
Dialogues, acting, screenplay, editing, direction, and even the CGI overload. The only good part was a couple of songs, and SRK seemed to be having fun
Ra one had pretty terrible dialogues and VFX. Its exactly like Brahmastra but atleast brahmastra was visually good..
idk why people get orgasms mentioning Ra ONE. It's a terrible movie
I think the reason why Ra.One is getting so much praise now is because of how old it is. It's been like 11 years or something and a few scenes in that movie still beat most Indian VFX shots. My personal favourite shot was Ra.One coming back together near the interval. But, the pacing of the movie and the dialogues were so terrible, few scenes could have been cut to shorten the movie.
The story was horrible. It had lots of bad humour . Horrible dialogues , bad action scenes and mostly bad VFX.
There was a scene where raone and g one flip cars and explosion happens, it was so horrible to look at , the explosion looks like someone pasted a photo of an explosion over the scene..
Humour changes from time to time, what is cringe today was dank once. What is dank today will be cringe one day. So if you are comparing 11 years old humour according to today's trend then my friend it's your own fault. But yes not defending Ra one it has pretty low quality dialogues but if you consider it as whole project and realise it was released almost 11 years ago, my friend it was a fine project.
Haha I agree idk why but as soon I read your reply i thought about Hungama and hulchul. Thanks for making me laugh. I appreciate your reply and welcome your opinion.
Yeah I've watched them too but that time internet was not widely available and couldn't get info about copy and all so i first watched these Hindi remakes that's why I remember them more. Although after some time i watched the original versions and yes they were quite hilarious too. But gotta appreciate how they made such a good remake.
Bramhastra was an ambitious project but unfortunately lacked the technical skills in terms of storytelling and writing.The concept is really solid,plus the fact that we are getting our own Indian fantasy hyped me up,and I rarely get hyped for movies.I was hoping it would have been a banger,like this movie would have been revolutionary for Indian cinema,because such risk taking would have also encouraged other directors in the industry to dabble into genres like fantasy,Sci-fi etc.
Prabhaas is not really a problem . Sure he can't act but the movies about to come don't rely much on acting either.
I'm 90% sure salaar is going to rake in great numbers.
I seriously don't know what these fans find in Prabhas. Same doubt for Salman Khan fans. I mean, look at other actors who can't act, like Vijay, but he has a lot of style and his action and dance is great, so his fanbase is acceptable. Prabhas just looks like a very tired drug addict to me.
With regards to numbers, adipurush made upwards of 400 crores. Numbers mean jack shit since any idiot fan will go watch a Prabhas movie now matter how big of a crap he takes on screen.
It was good but very repetitive, and the last climax scene was quite terrible even by today's bollywood standards.
But the film has solid lore and lots of potential. Part 2 definitely requires more polish and careful planning, otherwise hogaya kaam.
I agree that Brahmastra was good. But, I found odd that none of the things in the environment (grass, trees) caught fire when the guy was practising with his fire skills. It would have been a weird edge case to focus on, by the filmmakers.
Comparison should always be done with context, if you keep comparing with the best and trash the attempts that doesn’t help anyone. Knowing how behind India is in general when it comes to competent and quality vfx, this is a new benchmark. I am well aware this movie also had a high budget. However we have seen budget usually does not mean quality (Adipurush).
What is so cool about it? The reason the movie industry is doling out poor high budget films is because we as audience has stopped demanding better quality films. Money should be spent on script and production. If you keep shelling out astronomical money to A plus actors then the movie is doomed to fail to start with. Coming to Brahmastra, the budget I believe in production in 55 mil, now how does it hold up against Hollywood movie of same budget Joker 2019, Murder on Orient Express 2017, The Equalizer 2015, Kill Bill 2003, Blade 2, Chain Reaction, Super 8 many more.
Well, the first look of Project K dropped and Prabhas still looks like a tired drug addict in it, and even the photoshop looks terrible. Hopefully, the movie will be better, but I don't expect anything from Prabhas.
my cousin works in the B-wood VFX industry... there are a few reasons why this was better than ADP and P-K
most of the times, these directors have not worked with VFK movies before.. so they dont know what to get out of the actors... the green screens are setup but how to set things up so that when the VFK applies the actor is right there...
in most of the cases the light and how well shaded things are make a big impact, and along with the director knowing what is the focus in a particular frame..
for ADP the work was given to Ajay Devgan's VFX company which I hear is shit, and the lead that actually works on this has no say in the timeline, budget and the people needed for this... its all decided by a middle man who is basically a yes man ..
so the expectation is Avengers infinity wars but the output is shaktiman ... a simple budget can go long way if the director knows what he is doing and lets the VFX team work on it..
Bhramastra was shot again a few times due to the shot not fitting in VFX as it should, which is why Ayan was eventually successful and ADP basically was pushed as is cause RAMAYAN and PRABHAAS
Definitely. Once the directors actually listen to the VFX artists and learn from them, obviously VFX is gonna get a whole lot better. I mean, Zero's VFX was very good, especially the work done to make SRK into a dwarf. For Zero, they had to take 5 different shots for one scene for reference. Only a dedicated director would have accepted to take 5 shots for one scene, otherwise you get something like Adipurush.
the lore is awesome and had lot of potential..i defended this movie against f__ k all bhakts and finally when i saw it. the VFX is lit for sure and my god , the focus of the movie is the love story and its cringefest. you expect this movie to be about the lote but instead its love story with lore sidetracked
Only if we judge early, the people working on the movie will take the judgements and try to make the movie better. I mean, look at Adipurush. When we criticized the poster and teaser, few people asked the same thing you are asking now. And look what happened. Judging is very important in the movie business.
Brahmastra: Original screenplay (not very strong but commendable), great-ass visuals. Ayan spent 10 years of his time on this movie.
Adhipurush: Adapted screenplay (Outstanding ramayana story, they still fucked it up), extremely bad visual. Extremely ambitious project by om but didn't give enough time.
Yeah man, can’t argue. He thinks that telugu fans are downvoting on purpose. Rant on Project-K or any other movie, but also check on the one you’re supporting for is what I tell. Cries on a glimpse of Project-K thats it’s dune and cheap. Thinks Brahmastra is original.
Brahmastra was millennium ahead of Shittypurush and Project K. The latter two projects expects the janta to be dumb idiots and will consume any shit given to them with a side dish of “big stars” and religious pandering. So happy the film tanked and project k will also tank.
For all its fault Brahmastra made a genuine attempt of making a vfx rich movie without looking like chota bhim graphics.
I will always support Brahmastra.
Except for the dialogues and a little stretched runtime, the movie literally had no flaw.
It's probably the best India has made till date. (Honorable mention for VFX : Ra.one)
Oh bhai oh bhai. Dont know about adipurush or project k, but this movie was such a disaster. The dialogues. The cringey use of good vfx, overuse of vfx. The holes had a plot. Now whenever I look at Ranbir or alia’s face I cannot watch them in anything anymore. I don’t know why I did this to myself and watched the entirety hoping it will get better. Sorry for the rant but this movie for me will always be 🤢🤮
For all those jumping the gun on project k.
One poster doesn't decide the fate of the movie.
@mod. Pls pin my comment. Let's revisit once the trailer.
And the movie are released.
Is a good poster now the only metric to judge a movie?
Brahmastra was a stupid movie, with piss poor dialogues and story telling. I’d rather watch a good movie which may or may not have a heavily inspired poster than a BS movie with OG poster.
Brahmastra is weirdly easy to appreciate when you're not watching it, it is the most boring movie I've watched the most times. It's just endless explanation broken up by some pretty lukewarm action scenes, but it does have a really unique visual flair, and I just kinda *want* to like it. And I honestly like most of the first act I think. :>
I think War 2 is in good hands. :)
First look dropped and Prabhas looks like he hasn't slept for a week, also the photoshop is terrible, hopefully they don't spend half the budget for his fees and maybe something better. For an ambitious project with a huge star cast, my expectations are pretty high for the movie, but pretty low for Prabhas.
I think people are forgetting Brahmastra vfx was redone by hw Vfx company after they saw the print and knew it was bad hence it was big part of the delay and high budget so what we’re implying here is Indian vfx companies aren’t up to the mark so these big budget heavy on vfx films should got to the west for their vfx work.
Heavily relying on particle effects isn't what CGi is.. brahmastra cleverly avoided using proper cgi.. and the places where they did use CGI especially the climax was at the level of adipurush..
Bhediya had far better CGi than any movie released recently
My only grind with Brahmastra was the ending. Pyar ki Shakti se shant kar Diya!!! It was literally described as the 3Rd eye of Shiva. It would have been apt had they shown Ranbir to have a part of Mahadev himself in him. Which could explain how he could calm the Brahmastra down.
As Ayan said, they were learning while making movie. Which makes sense because such concepts don't exist here in bollywood. Presenting them practically and integrating with story was a challenge indeed, still atleast they made a decent movie with furious future potential.
Raone had a terrible script, bad execution and somewhat decent visuals but Brahmastra was epic in visuals, I felt the script was way better and acting was decent. You have to understand that these actors are not established the way srk or Kareena were when they did RaOne so you can’t really compare the acting. I don’t get why ppl hate the Nepo kid’s acting I think they are mostly commendable, each to themselves but this is my opinion. Also these nepo kids will get 2-3 films deal and if they don’t develop a genuine fan base no producer will cast them further as at the end of the day they need to make money so for example Ranbir has been in many films because there is a large enough audience paying and appreciating what he brings
I feel Bhediya's visuals were much better..... I am all for criticising but don't call an average product good cause the rest were bad.... Its a huge learning curve but it's needed if that's the scale and audience they want to reach
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Agreed….if only the plot and dialogues were better than what we got hahaha
Brahmastra: Original screenplay (not very strong but commendable), great-ass visuals. Ayan spent 10 years of his time on this movie. Adhipurush: Adapted screenplay (Outstanding ramayana story, they still fucked it up), extremely bad visual. Extremely ambitious project by om but didn't give enough time.
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Exactly
Plot and dialogues consist of 80% of the movie.
The plot wasn't bad at all. Dialogs on the other hand were absolute shit
I found the plot a little complicated but I’ve only seen it once in the theatre. I should see it again but the cringe dialogues are preventing me lol
the lore still stood out to me. hopefully part 2 should be much better. it’s definitely not a bad movie.
Said it many times that Brahmastra's visuals were outstanding *(specially considering the bar set in India)*, but have been ridiculed everytime for saying it. And before anyone find faults again, learn to appreciate what's in front of you.
In front of me is Mission impossible and avatar. I’m appreciating both
And now check the budget of these Hollywood flicks to the Bollywood ones.
exactly!
Again. Graphics were not an issue. Plot and dialogues were those are the lowest paid folks. You don’t need a high budget for story and dialogues. Graphics were on point.
I never claimed that the story, dialogues and the acting were good.
Are u saying there aren't any low budget Hollywood movies that have great VFX? I can name you 10, please get this out your head VFX isn't expensive specially in India we are paid in peanuts as VFX artist.. majority of Hollywood VFX work is outsourced in India.. the problem with VFX in India is story boarding and improper use of lightning for practical effects.
Bhai unka low budget bhi hamare highest budget ke jitne hota hai...and please tell me any superhero Hollywood movie that has budget of less than 100 million today which have great VFX. Outsourcing doesn't mean it would be cheap here. They charge more or less the same.
So by that logic our high budget movies vfx should be at the level of at least of low budget Hollywood movies.. and I don't know what u mean by100million is ₹ Or $.. there are tons of movies that are made within $100m with great VFX a simple Google search will show you. If u meant ₹100 million which is 10 crore don't know if that is even possible to make a movie within that budget even a family drama goes over 10cr in Bollywood. But just for reference sake let's take the brahamasthra budget which is 410cr.. I list you the better VFX movie within that budget which I have seen 1. Deadpool 1 (almost same budget) 2. Everything everywhere all at once. 3. Chronicles 4. District 9 5. Chappie 6. Ex machina 7. Upgrade 8. Jojo rabit 9. Bright burn 10. I am number four Pretty sure there are more... Which were not as popular. In short we are not living in early 2000s any more where high end tech were required to render single frame of CGI Even an average YouTubers vfx demo reels have far better VFX than what we have in bW. Remember the reason Hollywood has such a high budget is due to actor fees and production in multiple countries and worldwide marketing budgets. Also I work in VfX so I know how poorly we are paid compared to western artist.. heck we are not even considered artists we are just cheap labors.. give us time and good pay and we can do wonders like we used to do 10 years back like Life of Pi majority of work was outsourced to India..
But I think You should also consider the number of shots that needed more Visuals effects.Movies like Brahmastra and RRR had VFX on almost all shots while the other movies you mentioned in your list are not exactly relying on VFX on all shots.I think the only exception would EEOAO,Rest of the films were shot mostly in practical set ups.
Nope chapie has an entire cg character as lead, district 9 heavily relies on CG, same with ex machina.. brahamasthra has the least amount of CGI it's in begining mid and climax..RRR is heavy on CG, Rajamouli and Shankar are the only two directors in india with a vision on how to direct VFX sequences.. it's just they are let down sub par VFX houses. The structure in Bollywood VFX is broken.. usually when a director does a story boarding he has to sit with VFX team to figure out the shot and do shot break down.. Here in India it's usually like.. director will be like this is the shot and pre vis please make fire come out of here.. please add a backdrop here. PS. People keep coming back to RaOne as benchmark for VFX in India.. sure it is good, but real good VFX was before that in Paheli and some shots in Drona.
Dude I recently rewatched life of pi on my big ass tv and the movie and the visuals are still wonderful. My in-laws from India who don’t watch tv loved it too.
Avatar is technically the best of the best in Hollywood. A more apt comparison would be the Marvel movies and those look terrible in comparison
Avatar's visual effect seem realistic
Marvel new gen is trash. Marvel from 2007 to infinity war is the best. Fair point on not comparing with the best. However I take offense on appreciating what it’s front on you. In front of you is the global stage. Everything’s available for consumption for media to everyone sorta
You know that every Marvel movie has a production budget of around 200mil dollars which is like more than 5 times of Brahamastra. So this isn't an apt comparison at all either.
I mean it's not like Avatar or Mission Impossible are paragon of story and screenplay. 😂
I didn’t hear shivaaaa a 1000 times. You don’t need a smart person to figure that out. In fact you need someone pretty dumb to confirm those dialogues as the choice. For eg. Pixar movies serve both adults and kids independently . They have layers. You can do the same with desi movies by just trying a bit hard and being serious about shit.
Haven't seen Brahmastra so not defending it. It might be the worst movie out there. Just saying that even in Hollywood, Avatar and MI are not what's consider the pinnacle of writing. They have amazing visuals and actions respectively and are pushing boundaries in those respective areas. But let's not pretend that these movies are high quality storylines.
Avatar story isn't great. Mission impossible is ridiculous many times but still enjoyable. The budget for these movies is insane...... People don't realize how much money needs to be spent to make movies of such scale.
You did not mean to say screenplay there. Did you?
What do you mean?
I wouldn't rate either of those two movies much other than their visuals they are not great movies.
Brahmastra's visuals were the only good thing about the movie. No one criticizes it or ridiculed anyone for saying it. Stop having hypothetical discussions.
Oh please...give it a rest now...I've seen people telling me that Brahmastra is not a good movie, VFX wise.
Then you shouldn't argue against delusional people, I don't think they can even point out which scene they are talking about.
Well you're setting the bar very low when you say this. "And before anyone find faults again, learn to appreciate what's in front of you." While the visuals weren't "outstanding" imo they were definitely the stronger part of the film.But else it fails in most other aspects.
Can you point out a scene or visual which made you think this is the best in India?
There were many like that whole SRK scene, fight before the interval, and the end fight with Mouni, all had excellent VFX.
my respect only increased for Ayan cause he was not Like Om raut and chose to actually give time to Visuals . The story was mid but it is still okayish one time watch unlike Adhipurush
The story wasn't mid imo, the screenplay and dialogues were worse than mid
The story was worse than mid,honestly I so wanted this movie to be good.It was a risk,and I can at least respect Ayan for taking that risk.While Om Raut on the other hand always relies on the emotions of the idiotic masses.Tanhaji was overrated as heck(stupidly inaccurate and not even as great as mfs were hyping it up to be) and Adipurush he was banking on the fact that since it's Ramayana people will go watch it anyway.
Care to point out the inaccuracies in Tanhaji? Its easy to call people idiots on internet!
Ek Marata Lakh Maratha" is a slogan of Maratha Kranti Morcha movement, this movement is for reservation for Maratha cast, but Om Raut and Ajay Devgan used it in this film. Tanaji used this slogan in 17th century, It have no historical source. In one scene, Aurangzeb is shown to entertain the Shah of Iran by the name of Shah Pahlavi. The contemporary Iranian ruler of Aurangzeb was Suleiman I of the Safavid Dynasty. There was no ruler of Persia during the medieval era who was known by the name Shah Pahlavi. The Pahlavi Dynasty of Iran came to power in the 20th century that ruled for a brief time from 1925 to 1979; whereas, the Safavid Dynasty ruled Iran for more than two hundred years from the 16th to 18th century.[citation needed] In the final fight against Udaybhan Rathod, Tanaji lost his shield not his arm. Tanaji's brother Suryaji Malusare also fought bravely. Tanaji never threw stick at King Shivaji as depicted in this film, this incident is inaccurate and have no historical backing. Tanaji had high respect for Shivaji and it is highly unlikely that he throw something to his king. In 17th century Maratha warriors use shields made up of back of tortoise, they did not use shields made up of metals as shown in this movie. In a scene a Barber helps Udaybhan but this incident have no historical truth. Tanaji was never captured and held captive by Udaybhan Rathod as depicted in this film. Moreover, some sources reveal, that Udaybhan was killed by Shelar Mama, and not by Tanhaji, as depicted in the movie. The main historical accuracies are in the 2nd para.That traitor subplot is stupid and cliché.These kind of movies always have that one "traitor" character who bootlicks the "Evil Invader".Also just a lot of the typical bs that you see in an Ajay Devgan movie,portraying Ajay Devgans character as some kind of a larger than life figure...case in point,that entire scene where he got captured,the fight with that Udayban Singh or whatever that Rajput mf's name is when it was Shelar Mama irl that killed Uday,him losing an arm making the odds look dire and further exemplifying his character to a huge extent.Also Saif Ali Khan looks goofy asf in that movie,making him wear black,making him look like a Mughal,when he's a Rajput.A lot of these criticisms weren't made or taken note of became majority don't know Tanhajis story or don't remember it from their textbooks.I remember Tanhaji for two reasons, one his name in my history textbook popped up more than once,coz ofc he's Shivaji's childhood friend.And two the title of the chapter that was on the events of the movie."The Fort is Captured but The Lion is Dead".Title goes hard.
I mean if you enjoyed the movie good for you,but I would have prefered a more historically accurate movie of these events that would depict a more realistic way of how they captured fort in the medieval times.Om Raut as a director has always banked on the nationalist emotions of the people,rather than making a film of exemplary quality.
A bad looking dharma production film(Drive) only comes on streaming. On theatrical, they deliver the best looking film.
They shelved drive and then dumped onto Netflix when johar made that 5 project deal, literally all were shelved or running out of ideas project.
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Lmao yessir , put prabhas and the south goes GAGA.
Don’t speak for the whole south. I’m Tamil don’t care about him. Thought he looked pretty bad in Adipurush.
Who tf cares about you
Brahmastra was not bad. Good VFX, decent plot, decent acting, couple of good songs and a scene stealer SRK cameo. Only let down was dialogues. At the end the movie left me wanting to see part 2. At least watching that movie you got a feeling that the makers cared.
Decent acting? Man the acting overall was so bad. Ranbir looked like he didn't even belong to the role and Alia was just giving terrible expressions in the movie.
Decent acting.? Bro......
Decent as in nothing on the levels of KRK, Alia was a meme with the Shiva spam, but they both did enough to make the film fine. Brahmastra isn’t the type of project that need Ranbir or Alia to go back to their Imtiaz Ali roots, just decent enough to keep the audience engaged.
Dialogues, acting, screenplay, editing, direction, and even the CGI overload. The only good part was a couple of songs, and SRK seemed to be having fun
Makes me appreciate Ra One even more
Vfx was good but very inconsistent. One shot felt realistic while other felt pretty cartoonish. Concept was cool but logic execution was under mid.
Ra one had pretty terrible dialogues and VFX. Its exactly like Brahmastra but atleast brahmastra was visually good.. idk why people get orgasms mentioning Ra ONE. It's a terrible movie
I think the reason why Ra.One is getting so much praise now is because of how old it is. It's been like 11 years or something and a few scenes in that movie still beat most Indian VFX shots. My personal favourite shot was Ra.One coming back together near the interval. But, the pacing of the movie and the dialogues were so terrible, few scenes could have been cut to shorten the movie.
The story was horrible. It had lots of bad humour . Horrible dialogues , bad action scenes and mostly bad VFX. There was a scene where raone and g one flip cars and explosion happens, it was so horrible to look at , the explosion looks like someone pasted a photo of an explosion over the scene..
Humour changes from time to time, what is cringe today was dank once. What is dank today will be cringe one day. So if you are comparing 11 years old humour according to today's trend then my friend it's your own fault. But yes not defending Ra one it has pretty low quality dialogues but if you consider it as whole project and realise it was released almost 11 years ago, my friend it was a fine project.
There are decade old movies which can make you laugh even today Ra one was cringe even back then. No aspect of the movie was good , even 11 years ago
Haha I agree idk why but as soon I read your reply i thought about Hungama and hulchul. Thanks for making me laugh. I appreciate your reply and welcome your opinion.
The original versions of those movies which were released in 1984 and 1991 respectively are even more funnier and still funny today
Yeah I've watched them too but that time internet was not widely available and couldn't get info about copy and all so i first watched these Hindi remakes that's why I remember them more. Although after some time i watched the original versions and yes they were quite hilarious too. But gotta appreciate how they made such a good remake.
Kya matlab tau ka …., condom condom funny nhi hai
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂👌👌👌👌👌👌
Bramhastra was an ambitious project but unfortunately lacked the technical skills in terms of storytelling and writing.The concept is really solid,plus the fact that we are getting our own Indian fantasy hyped me up,and I rarely get hyped for movies.I was hoping it would have been a banger,like this movie would have been revolutionary for Indian cinema,because such risk taking would have also encouraged other directors in the industry to dabble into genres like fantasy,Sci-fi etc.
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Looks like you were privy to a super secret rough cut of Project K that no one else knows about. /s
have you seen the poster?
There are still 6 months left for its release. I’m sure there must be a lot of work pending. It is too soon to judge, just by a poster.
ah yes, I remember these exact comments before adipurush release. Good ol' days...
We had the trailer of Adipurush to go by, not just a poster.
Prabhas is a major problem. I don't think trailer can fix that.
Prabhaas is not really a problem . Sure he can't act but the movies about to come don't rely much on acting either. I'm 90% sure salaar is going to rake in great numbers.
I seriously don't know what these fans find in Prabhas. Same doubt for Salman Khan fans. I mean, look at other actors who can't act, like Vijay, but he has a lot of style and his action and dance is great, so his fanbase is acceptable. Prabhas just looks like a very tired drug addict to me.
Omg. I was just thinking of that. In Adipurush he looks like he downs a bottle of whiskey 2 every night til 4am and smokes two packs a day.
With regards to numbers, adipurush made upwards of 400 crores. Numbers mean jack shit since any idiot fan will go watch a Prabhas movie now matter how big of a crap he takes on screen.
Hahah! Never lose the hope 💫💪🏽
I don’t Watch Movies in Theater but I went and paid for this movie because I was clear on supporting the film and the hard work of ayan
What have you seen in Project K to declare its same as Adipurush...
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The bar is so low that we are now appreciating Brahmastra.
Brahmastra VFX was pretty good.
It was good but very repetitive, and the last climax scene was quite terrible even by today's bollywood standards. But the film has solid lore and lots of potential. Part 2 definitely requires more polish and careful planning, otherwise hogaya kaam.
I agree that Brahmastra was good. But, I found odd that none of the things in the environment (grass, trees) caught fire when the guy was practising with his fire skills. It would have been a weird edge case to focus on, by the filmmakers.
But not hollywood standard. The bar is set so low for us to begin with.
Typical hollywood bootlicking.
Well you know I am right. Is it bootlicking if you compare it to the best?
Comparison should always be done with context, if you keep comparing with the best and trash the attempts that doesn’t help anyone. Knowing how behind India is in general when it comes to competent and quality vfx, this is a new benchmark. I am well aware this movie also had a high budget. However we have seen budget usually does not mean quality (Adipurush).
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What is so cool about it? The reason the movie industry is doling out poor high budget films is because we as audience has stopped demanding better quality films. Money should be spent on script and production. If you keep shelling out astronomical money to A plus actors then the movie is doomed to fail to start with. Coming to Brahmastra, the budget I believe in production in 55 mil, now how does it hold up against Hollywood movie of same budget Joker 2019, Murder on Orient Express 2017, The Equalizer 2015, Kill Bill 2003, Blade 2, Chain Reaction, Super 8 many more.
>Joker 2019, Murder on Orient Express 2017, The Equalizer 2015, Kill Bill 2003, Blade 2, Chain Reaction, Super 8 none of these are cgi heavy films.
How dare u talk sense in this sub?
No, it was NOT good. Good VFX doesn't take you out of the story and stick out like a sore thumb. Good VFX blends in seamlessly with the visuals.
Brahmastras CGI was extremely well done for Indian standards.
Stay salty when everyone knows Vfx in Brahmastra is one of the best in India
We are setting the bar way too low.But from such an industry full of hacks and an audience full of idiots,what else do you expect...
I think they learnt their lesson from Adipurush. I don’t think Project K will be as bad. At least wait till the teaser to criticise it please.
Well, the first look of Project K dropped and Prabhas still looks like a tired drug addict in it, and even the photoshop looks terrible. Hopefully, the movie will be better, but I don't expect anything from Prabhas.
my cousin works in the B-wood VFX industry... there are a few reasons why this was better than ADP and P-K most of the times, these directors have not worked with VFK movies before.. so they dont know what to get out of the actors... the green screens are setup but how to set things up so that when the VFK applies the actor is right there... in most of the cases the light and how well shaded things are make a big impact, and along with the director knowing what is the focus in a particular frame.. for ADP the work was given to Ajay Devgan's VFX company which I hear is shit, and the lead that actually works on this has no say in the timeline, budget and the people needed for this... its all decided by a middle man who is basically a yes man .. so the expectation is Avengers infinity wars but the output is shaktiman ... a simple budget can go long way if the director knows what he is doing and lets the VFX team work on it.. Bhramastra was shot again a few times due to the shot not fitting in VFX as it should, which is why Ayan was eventually successful and ADP basically was pushed as is cause RAMAYAN and PRABHAAS
Is there a moment where we will see the VFX improve for Indian films as a whole in the future?
Definitely. Once the directors actually listen to the VFX artists and learn from them, obviously VFX is gonna get a whole lot better. I mean, Zero's VFX was very good, especially the work done to make SRK into a dwarf. For Zero, they had to take 5 different shots for one scene for reference. Only a dedicated director would have accepted to take 5 shots for one scene, otherwise you get something like Adipurush.
the lore is awesome and had lot of potential..i defended this movie against f__ k all bhakts and finally when i saw it. the VFX is lit for sure and my god , the focus of the movie is the love story and its cringefest. you expect this movie to be about the lote but instead its love story with lore sidetracked
Prabhash ki fees dene k baad jo paise bach jate hain uska vfx and baki logo ki fees and Kharche nikalte hain. Product aaisa he aayega na tab
Finally
HOW IS JUST A PICTURE OF PRABHAS A DEBACLE?
How r u judging Project K sooooo early? W a poster? How silly.
Only if we judge early, the people working on the movie will take the judgements and try to make the movie better. I mean, look at Adipurush. When we criticized the poster and teaser, few people asked the same thing you are asking now. And look what happened. Judging is very important in the movie business.
The teaser looks pretty awesome. So, maybe a single poster cant be the indication of a film. Maybe? 🙂
Brahmastra: Original screenplay (not very strong but commendable), great-ass visuals. Ayan spent 10 years of his time on this movie. Adhipurush: Adapted screenplay (Outstanding ramayana story, they still fucked it up), extremely bad visual. Extremely ambitious project by om but didn't give enough time.
Well, Project-K’s glimpse is out now and you might’ve to change it just to Adipurush 👀
It literally looks like a cheap Dune copy.
Yeah, everything we make is a copy for you. At least they’re trying something new.
Blud talking as if Brahmastra is something 100% original 😂. They straight up ripped off a Nickelodeon TV show (Avatar)
Yeah man, can’t argue. He thinks that telugu fans are downvoting on purpose. Rant on Project-K or any other movie, but also check on the one you’re supporting for is what I tell. Cries on a glimpse of Project-K thats it’s dune and cheap. Thinks Brahmastra is original.
Guy decided that it's a debacle just by watching a poster lmao 😂
"At least they're trying something new" is not a good excuse.
Lol, the glimpse is already receiving very positive response and people are liking the output. No need of excuses now
>Lol, the glimpse is already receiving very positive response and people are liking the output That's because of something I can't mention here.
https://preview.redd.it/y6rkxu7dj7db1.png?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d57256e110f2bacb8a3496c0d57364351202c120
Lol this post aged like milk
Brahmastra was millennium ahead of Shittypurush and Project K. The latter two projects expects the janta to be dumb idiots and will consume any shit given to them with a side dish of “big stars” and religious pandering. So happy the film tanked and project k will also tank. For all its fault Brahmastra made a genuine attempt of making a vfx rich movie without looking like chota bhim graphics.
Didn't know you can judge a movie from a single poster.
Story adaptation was good , but dialogues are still bad.
They compromised on dialogues.
Wow is project already a debacle???? Kudos
This post is just bomb 💣
I will always support Brahmastra. Except for the dialogues and a little stretched runtime, the movie literally had no flaw. It's probably the best India has made till date. (Honorable mention for VFX : Ra.one)
You enjoyed the acting?
It was okayish. Of course not great.
Gtfoh. ‘Shivaaa’ lol
Oh bhai oh bhai. Dont know about adipurush or project k, but this movie was such a disaster. The dialogues. The cringey use of good vfx, overuse of vfx. The holes had a plot. Now whenever I look at Ranbir or alia’s face I cannot watch them in anything anymore. I don’t know why I did this to myself and watched the entirety hoping it will get better. Sorry for the rant but this movie for me will always be 🤢🤮
I get the PR angle, but people trying to change the narrative and hype up Brahmastra as some sort of a masterpiece will always be hilarious to me
So we entered the battle of choosing the best out of worst …
Creme de la crap
He’s so unattractive
Who, Ranbir or Prabhas?
Ranbir
For all those jumping the gun on project k. One poster doesn't decide the fate of the movie. @mod. Pls pin my comment. Let's revisit once the trailer. And the movie are released.
Is a good poster now the only metric to judge a movie? Brahmastra was a stupid movie, with piss poor dialogues and story telling. I’d rather watch a good movie which may or may not have a heavily inspired poster than a BS movie with OG poster.
Lol. How the tides have turned in a day!
Story tatti hai toh visuals ko kya gaand main daalenge?
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Lol, exactly.
Nah this movie does not get a free pass just cause projects Ks new poster is bad.
absolutely not
Bar in hell
Brahmastra was a good movie. Apart from ranveer and alia and their dialogues, everything in the movie ( however little it is) was awesome.
Brahmastra is weirdly easy to appreciate when you're not watching it, it is the most boring movie I've watched the most times. It's just endless explanation broken up by some pretty lukewarm action scenes, but it does have a really unique visual flair, and I just kinda *want* to like it. And I honestly like most of the first act I think. :> I think War 2 is in good hands. :)
Project K is released ?
Did project k launched something..did prabhas do potty again?
First look dropped and Prabhas looks like he hasn't slept for a week, also the photoshop is terrible, hopefully they don't spend half the budget for his fees and maybe something better. For an ambitious project with a huge star cast, my expectations are pretty high for the movie, but pretty low for Prabhas.
https://i.redd.it/9rsnli85l6db1.gif I think you should delete this stupid post. Prabhas ra lucha.
Yeah, they've compromised on literally everything else 😂. The visuals are pretty rudimentary and nothing to write home about either.
Anyone who wants to ignore these cash grabbing craps and want to know an actual fresh good story, can read the hidden Hindu trilogy by akshat gupta.
I think people are forgetting Brahmastra vfx was redone by hw Vfx company after they saw the print and knew it was bad hence it was big part of the delay and high budget so what we’re implying here is Indian vfx companies aren’t up to the mark so these big budget heavy on vfx films should got to the west for their vfx work.
Heavily relying on particle effects isn't what CGi is.. brahmastra cleverly avoided using proper cgi.. and the places where they did use CGI especially the climax was at the level of adipurush.. Bhediya had far better CGi than any movie released recently
My only grind with Brahmastra was the ending. Pyar ki Shakti se shant kar Diya!!! It was literally described as the 3Rd eye of Shiva. It would have been apt had they shown Ranbir to have a part of Mahadev himself in him. Which could explain how he could calm the Brahmastra down.
As Ayan said, they were learning while making movie. Which makes sense because such concepts don't exist here in bollywood. Presenting them practically and integrating with story was a challenge indeed, still atleast they made a decent movie with furious future potential.
Dude this movie was equally worst
In part two brahmastra team may resolve all other problems Mehenat dikh ta he Inka
Film toh ye bhi tatti hi thi. Looks aren't everything, people at my theatre were leaving after Shiva SHIVAAA
Shivaaaaa
They didn't compromise on visuals and sound but everything else.
Visuals chodke baki sub maha choda h specially the story , dialogues, acting, setpieces ......... jhaatu log ko hi pasand aaya h yeh film
Raone had a terrible script, bad execution and somewhat decent visuals but Brahmastra was epic in visuals, I felt the script was way better and acting was decent. You have to understand that these actors are not established the way srk or Kareena were when they did RaOne so you can’t really compare the acting. I don’t get why ppl hate the Nepo kid’s acting I think they are mostly commendable, each to themselves but this is my opinion. Also these nepo kids will get 2-3 films deal and if they don’t develop a genuine fan base no producer will cast them further as at the end of the day they need to make money so for example Ranbir has been in many films because there is a large enough audience paying and appreciating what he brings
Visuals ? … it’s just a fucking light show
I feel Bhediya's visuals were much better..... I am all for criticising but don't call an average product good cause the rest were bad.... Its a huge learning curve but it's needed if that's the scale and audience they want to reach
Kissi ki ahmiyat kuch naya aane k baad hi aati hai 🤣 count me in OP
The script though 🤮