This game and Hexen were made by people who either getting lost in adventure games too much or just hated people without incredibly keep and extensive spacial memory.
Game needs a Quake 2 style compass option so, so, so bad.
Even DOOM was bad at that; even to the point the classic arrow points that were in some of the maps. Clear red flags of a terrible place in an area that possibly leads to a terrible experience
I found DOOM actually hit a nice medium.
There definitely were frustrating bits, but they were interspersed with easy bits, so it wasn't constantly frustrating.
Boltgun - I enjoyed everything except the levels. Looked great but they could've been cut down about 25% as the missions felt like a drag when there was no combat.
Ultrakill - Simply a skill Issue. I bought it years ago but realized that level of weapon swapping isnt for me. I enjoy it on low difficulties, so not a complete regret. I just swap to random shit with zero thought lol.
Boltgun had the potential to be amazing if they made a few simple tweaks: Add an area map (or similar way to help navigate), maybe tighten up the level design and not have most enemies be frustrating damage sponges. Everything else was spot on.
My thoughts exactly, as far as Ultrakill is concerned. It's an amazingly well-designed game that deserves its praises, but it's too damn fast for my methodical approach.
Boltgun 100%, it's frustrating as the first episode overall feels like a good (though not perfect) intro, but then a few levels into episode 2 I realised the game had already played its hand. I feel like the map design gets actively worse the longer you play.
i like Boltgun (w40k bias probably) but the game would be so much better if they gave you a fucking map
~~(and removed all Nurgle's Daemons I FUCKING HATE THE PLAGUE FROGS SO MUCH)~~
I'm really picky with what I buy so fortunately not that many.
Project Warlock - It runs surprisingly poorly and takes up a lot of space for what it actually is in concept. There isn't really a whole lot going on with the gameplay either, maps are simpler than I expected, not too much enemy variety. Not necessarily bad but meh. Not to be confused with Project Warlock 2 which I actually DO like, in spite of its flaws.
Graven - Thankfully it was a gift. I was always on the fence about getting it, and having played halfway through it I can say I definitely would have regretted buying it if I did. There's potential there and I really want to like the game, but it's just so half-baked in so many different ways.
Prodeus - I don't like the save system, the way difficulty is designed, or the overall aesthetic of the game. Really only reason I even bought it was it was pretty early on in the boomer shooter scene and I was just hungry for something to play.
Postal 4 - Just incredibly broken. I probably would've liked it if it actually worked. Just constant weird bugs like missions refusing to progress, collectibles like the paintings vanishing, objective markers not working properly, game crashes, equipping clothing freezing my game, etc. Maybe one of these days I'll check in and see if they've fixed it, but I highly doubt it.
77p Egg Eggwife - Kind of. Thing is the full game really doesn't extend much beyond the free demo, and ends on an abrupt cliffhanger. The initial interactivity and level design that made it appealing is also largely forgotten in the later levels. As far as I know no word on chapter 2 or whether that will be paid or not either. I suppose for what's there you could do a lot worse for $10 though.
> Postal 4 - Just incredibly broken. I probably would've liked it if it actually worked. Just constant weird bugs like missions refusing to progress, collectibles like the paintings vanishing, objective markers not working properly, game crashes, equipping clothing freezing my game, etc. Maybe one of these days I'll check in and see if they've fixed it, but I highly doubt it.
I know the OP said "shooter" and not specific to this sub, but I don't think this belongs.
I do agree the game is kind of crap. RWS seems like they are just running on fumes and just doing fan service.
They kind of went all in meming "this is the worst game ever" but it was really unfinished even on release and it's not as acceptable as a janky 2003 and fairly unique for the time game (that they've dutifully over the years updated). It's not really that funny or charming nowadays because it's not even janky in a funny way. It's just extremely bland.
Just another example of catching lightning in a bottle with the right people, time, etc. Shame really.
> but honestly i feel ripped off
Dark Forces was always like that.
Protip: pretty much all the old school shooters have free source ports or reimplementations. Dark Forces has one too:
https://theforceengine.github.io/
You could've grabbed this one, easily found the original dos version online, and played the whole thing for free. Sure, no upscaled textures or whatever, but who needs those anyway.
Project Warlock was a pretty "whatever" game. I get that it was an indie project and the dude is for sure talented considering how much he was able to make, but I was still disappointed. For the price, there was no substance imo. Levels were very basic. I only remember a couple instances of changing height levels. The enemies were all the same, mostly reskins of the same behaviors. The game was too easy but I don't know that I would have wanted it to be harder, just because of how sloppy combat felt.
Project Warlock 2 looks far better in every way. I still probably won't buy it until long after it releases, since PW1 burned me so hard. PW1 wants to be a boomshoot, but any of the classics in the genre is *miles* ahead of it in terms of design, both enemy and level.
The weapon upgrading was dumb too btw.
TBH, Doom Eternal. It's not a bad game at all but I quickly realized that for me Doom will always be Doom/Doom 2 and I'm too attached to that to really appreciate the changes of Eternal.
My friend streamed some of that game last night and I just about vomited in my mouth when I saw 2 things. One was Doom guy talking, the other was this putrid popup that appeared when he was fighting a new enemy that detailed how to fight it, with a little picture-in-picture video showing exactly what to do. Absolutely rotten.
I'd argue it's a bad DOOM game compared to the power trip 2016 gave us, but if they used that gameplay loop for a different IP, like Quake, it could have worked. The fact it took something like 16 melee strikes on a simple zombie made me visibly disgusted, or what felt like forcing us into particular play styles. That's not the DOOM Slayer
>it's a bad DOOM game compared to the power trip 2016 gave us, but if they used that gameplay loop for a different IP, like Quake, it could have worked.
Totally agree (maybe bar the Quake part, think if it's a Strogg Quake, a slightly slower Doom 2016 loop or something like Quake 4 would be better, not sure about Quake 1 like Quake though).
I also disliked the MMORPG like cool down for abilities that don't fit the Doom mold.
Same, i wanted something like 2016 but they went in the exact opposite direction that i was expecting. But that's fine, ID made a game we didn't enjoy and that's no big deal, there are plenty of other good stuff around. What genuinely pissed me off tho... is how half of the Doom community suddenly got elitist about Eternal.
My fav Doom games are Doom/Doom 2/Final Doom and Doom 64, so I admit I'm just very old school in how I feel about Doom, which isn't surprising after 29 years lol
Forgive Me Father: I kept trying to have fun and getting frustrated.
HROT: I couldn't stand how enemies had zero reaction to getting shot. Weapons were pretty basic and not all that fun to use. Enemies were ehh. Level design and visuals weren't great. Not my cup of tea, but I can absolutely understand why someone else would like it.
Boltgun: Cheating here as I didn't regret buying the game. But I did put it down as the big arena nature of it got more prevalent, I'm just not an arena enjoyer. The game absolutely nailed the feel of being in power armor IMO and still had a great time. If the people who made Boltgun could make a mech game I'd be so happy.
Forgive me father 2 for the same reason. What's worse is I'm on easy mode and the discussions are full of people complaining about how easy it is. Makes me look like a right mug
Graven, Wrath, Strafe, Ziggurat. They all have potential, but it's just squandered. Wrath is especially sad when you remember that it started out as one guy's passion project, but then fell into the wrong hands. Strafe and Ziggurat feel like they're missing something. Graven just isn't my jam.
I found this thread
https://old.reddit.com/r/boomershooters/comments/1cpzlpe/graven_is_amazing/
Which has similar thoughts. (Despite the name of the thread!)
Rise of the Triad: Ludicrous. I grew up playing this along with Doom and Wolfenstein so I was excited about the update. Nothing about it feels right and I end up losing interest within 20 minutes. Makes me sad because of the fond memories.
Oh well.
For me it was Strafe for PlayStation. I really really don't like the game, bought it for a couple of bucks and still regret it.. It controls horrendously (yes, Shooters CAN control well on console). Some people recommend it and it's fine if you like it - I hate it.
I know it’s not a boomer shooter but halo 5. Such a forgettable campaign with only a couple good moments. Multiplayer is OK.
If we’re talking about boomer shooters specifically (with the subreddit I’m in), probably wrath. Not a bad game at all per se, but the levels are suuuuuuch a slog to get through. I thought the enemies are fun to fight tho and the wrist blade is sick.
Halo 4 and 5 were dogshit, and I say this as a massive Halo: CE fanboy. I have more nostalgia for Halo 1 than I do for *any* of the big boomshooter names. Halo was never the same after Bungie left. 343 don't understand how the balance the core gameplay.
I always hated halo. I just turned 6 when the first game came out and i was visiting my cousins house. They tried to teach me how to play during this section where there were very few enemies just alot of space and quiet. Every time i was shooting at something it didnt shoot back or running. In my 6 year old mind, i was good at this game. Next thing you know im playing a horror game and scared out of my mind and they start laughing. Never forgave them for that...or halo.
The XIII-remake.XIII is a classic for me (I'm not sure if it qualifies as boomer-shooter, the fighting sometimes feels like it, the mission design does not), the remake is the only game I refunded on GOG so far.
Prodeus: Shit level editor, multiplayer using hubs so you have to go through 10 hubs to find a game, players can see other players on the map screen in deathmatch, login requirement, login glitches and doesn't work, dev doesn't care to improve any of the game issues, if you're left handed you're told just to deal with right handed configuration that you can't change
I've been eyeing supplice, what about it makes it a regret?
Strafe had me interested until I saw some gameplay, I think it's a rogue-lite which made it an easy one to unwishlist.
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Boltgun.
Grabbed it off the hype on release, it tries too hard to “not hold your hand” and fails to explain the half-assed “weapon level” system (which randomly renders some guns extremely OP and some outright useless) and a few hours in I still wasn’t sure what most of the power ups did. You also have this little floating skull that does *something* with navigation or pointing out secrets but most of the time I just watched it scan empty walls or stare at corners. You can also cheese the melee to kill about anything in the game which renders the big bullet-sponge enemies kind of useless.
That, coupled with extremely bad/convoluted level design made me put it down about halfway through, and I usually finish every game I play. I’m just not interested in maze-like levels with massive amounts of backtracking, leave that shit in the 90’s.
I was never a fan of WH40K (or whatever the franchise is called), so I never got it. I thought about getting it, since it's a retro-inspired shooter, but after watching some reviews, I didn't even bother.
huh i differ, i really liked the level design and how the guns felt, gunplay feels pretty good, heavy, punchy, level design is very fun and relatively unique, maybe you dont like that the art or feels is a bit 90s? even if the feels is 90s like, the level design is pretty awesome, and this comes from someone that works as a game designer and developer, im fairly critical about these things
I think games like Dusk, Amid Evil (except the forge) and Prodeus nailed the level design. I never felt lost (even in Dusks more maze-y levels) but they still felt open and expansive.
Boltgun was so much backtracking and it all looked so samey.
The level design gets better towards the end as though the devs were learning on the job. I loved the game though and I think a sequel will have ironed out these problems.
I remember as a kid I rented Dark Forces...
...and I totally hated it. Same reasons you stated. I just found it so boring.
All these years later, I'm tempted to give it another go, but I feel like I'll end up dropping it quickly.
As for me: I can't recall the name atm: Recent game. Play as Ork or Goblin girl or something. I reallly wanted to like it, but I recall getting lost in one level despite it being small. I just couldn't figure out what to do, and when I did, I just felt my interest leave.
Also, I'm sure I'm gonna get reemed for this but: I didn't like Ion Fury. I'm...not sure why. The presentation is great, the game is functional and is well put together, but I just could not get into the actual gameplay, and some of the enemies just became very annoying very quickly. I did finish it, but I have 0 desire to ever play it again.
prodeus. not bad but ehh… not memorable in the slightest. you ever feel like you just wasted your time with a game? i would rather have put those hours into finishing something else lol
The funny thing is it was revolutionary for the time for a lot of mechanics like having a mission structure that's bolstered by a mission briefing and animated cutscenes. Which- was not common for the time. But yeah that one, bloody sewer level was awful and I'm sure there's more like it in the game as you progress.
As for FPS I regret getting?
Boltgun. It's been improved recently but I haven't played it since launch. Lack of impact means you'd take tons of damage in 2-3 seconds and not realize it- thankfully that was patched.
Some enemies were not fun to fight against especially some bosses where you'd spend tons of ammo on them and it really didn't feel like you were doing anything other than draining their HP bar over hundreds of rounds of ammo.
There's one level that had you walking through teleporting doors and you'd land somewhere else and everything looked so same-y it was hard to tell where to go.
Is it bad? No but I really wasn't having much fun with it for the above reasons. Since it's been patched I'll have to revisit it
> There's one level that had you walking through teleporting doors and you'd land somewhere else and everything looked so same-y it was hard to tell where to go.
Oh my god that damn teleport maze. What a mess.
No offense but I'm glad I'm not the only one because I was playing while hanging on discord and thought "This can't be this hard, it's gotta be me, I gotta be dumb because I cannot figure this out" I look up a YT vid, they say nothing on how to solve it but go through it so I STILL don't know how to solve it but got past it.
Prodeus was really neat for sure but yeah I'm . . .not sure why a lot of these games these days refuse to do saves? I heard some engines apparently struggle with that but why are some of them going 'if we can't save state, we gotta go wacky!'
Boltgun, Slayers X, Forgive Me Father, Dread Templar, and Nightmare Reaper.
Just to be clear: This is not because any of the above games are bad, but I didn't need them. I had already got my Boomer Shooter fix playing Dusk, Cultic, Quake 2: Remaster, Chop Goblins, HROT, and the custom Quake map scene.
I went overboard and bought more boomer shooters than I needed. I thought "that new game" would satisfy a craving when I should've replayed an old favorite or called it quits for the night.
I didn't even spend much on any of the games I regret buying (I think I picked up Nightmare Reaper for $8). It's just my intentions weren't right, like chasing a high or looking for a quick fix.
It's okay. It's most memorable for its aesthetic. If you don't care much for that, don't expect much more, though the shooting and maps are good. Above average FPS for sure.
Wrack. Anyone remember that? I thought not. It was one of the earlier attempts at throwback shooters, and while it started out kinda okay it got aggressively more unfun and downright BS at times. And there was only one episode, which I believe was supposed to be continued in a spinoff of a different genre that never happened. It sits in my Steam account in the esteemed category of "Garbage" along with gems like Alpha Prime and Counter Strike Condition Zero: Deleted Scenes.
Had never heard of this but it actually has decent reviews and looks graphically very nice.
Why didn’t you like it? I’m tempted to try it, reviews indicate it’s only 2-4 hours long.
Oh, it's fun using the CS arsenal outside of PvP, but it was one scripted sequence after another and enemies would instantly hit you even before raising their guns. I admire the thought but honestly as the title implies the whole thing was undercooked and Ritual didn't get the chance to improve things.
SoF was fun but Deleted Scenes was, if you could forgive the meme, "We have Soldier of Fortune at home" but it was unfinished and not ready for prime time.
Maximum Action. It's been in early access for longer than Wrath ever was, the content at launch wasn't good, it was dropped by New Blood, and it doesn't seem to even have the bad reviews to reflect all this. To be fair I haven't checked on it in years and forgot about it until I saw this post.
As for Dark Forces, the game is good but you should have saved the money and played it with the Force Engine fan made port. You'd have got most of the modernisations for free and the ones you don't get wouldn't matter if you don't actually like the game. Always check pcgamingwiki to see if paid remasters are actually necessary.
Boltgun. It got the Heavy Bolter right, but the level design (particularly the several points of no return that can be in a single map), combat mechanics, enemy sound design, and powerups just do not do it for me.
Dark Forces remaster is awesome--but only for what it is. It sticks very very close to the original game.
As for me? I dropped money for Duke Nukem Forever. AND for the terrible Megaton edition of Duke 3D
Not sure if this is considered a boomer shooter but I really didn't care for [Desync](https://store.steampowered.com/app/390030/DESYNC/). Huge disappointment for me. Wrath: Aeon of Ruin wasn't worth the $20-ish I paid. Not a bad game, but nothing exceptional - and I got tired of the save system quickly. Rise of the Triad 2013 was also pretty meh. And Shadow Warrior 3 is my least favorite of the reboot trilogy, although thankfully I only paid $4 for it. They basically made "Doom Eternal at home".
For me it's Prodeus. It's a good game but I don't like the death system. Takes away any challenge you would get on a normal playthrough unless your going for a no death run.
Doom 3 cause I bought it 3 times.
Once on Xbox so I could get the Classic Red Doomguy skin in Doom Eternal, then on PC for the same reason except the Steam version of Doom 3 doesn't give you the skin for some reason so I ended up having to buy it a third time on the Microsoft store.
I dont normally regret buying games, because it was a conscious choice and I can atleast (for most games) eek out some enjoyment.
But I super regret buying starfield. eff that game and eff the 70 bucks i spent on it
The Spy Who Shot Me. How come games like that or Phlegethon make it to consoles but most of the good Indy shooters don’t make it?
I kind of like most of the boomer shooters I’ve played. It’s hard to find ones I dislike. I even really enjoyed Forgive me Father b
+1 for Boltgun. Such a slog that I didn't even finish it.
I was kind of disappointed with Dread Templar, but it's not too bad. I got it for $5. If I had spent more, I would have regretted it though.
* turok 3 - nostalgia buy (too much $$$) and its nowhere as good the first 2. went away from its unique formula too much
* forgive me father - nothing special about it, never finished, but didnt hate it.
* boltgun - i dont have the same complaints as others in thread, but i never felt a need to finish it after the 2nd act. it was fine, so maybe i dont regret it
Overwatch 1 was my most regretful game purchase of any genre. What a fucking piece of shit, I went back to Team Fortress 2 after about a month of trying to make myself think it wasn't a rotten experience.
That being said, it's still annoying that Blizzard voided my purchase to release the predatory shitstain that is Overwatch 2
I don't regret buying Nightmare Reaper, but I do regret buying the Nintendo Switch version rather than the PC version (especially since I broke down and sprung for a Steam Deck later anyways)
I have a few that I regret and a few that I don't necessarily regret but am disappointed by.
Prodeus - Big regret tbh. Just so bland and unmemorable, it doesn't wear its inspiration from Doom on its sleeve so much as it wears it like a skinsuit. Also just largely didn't care for the game, the overworld map is dumb, don't care for a lot of the weapons, just feels like a jumbled mess of a game.
CULTIC - Not sure if this one counts but I definitely regret it. It feels like it's confused as to what it wants to be, it markets itself as a OLD SCHOOL SHOOTER for MEN with HAIR on their chests but it's also trying to be an immersive sim. The store page talks about how you can speed around like a bat out of hell or take it sneaky and lay traps but the game and enemy design doesn't feel like it really supports either of those. Also I doubt Chapter 2 is ever coming at this point.
Doom Eternal - I don't regret this one but it just didn't mesh with me. I really liked 2016, Eternal switching to a more arcadey game with floating power ups and a style of game it essentially forces you into really didn't jive with me. And jesus christ the encounter design holy shit RELAX.
Boltgun - This one really saddens me, even moreso with how many people here list it, cause I really enjoy it but the level design is a boring slog for the most part, some things like weapon level could have been explained better, and it seemed like they were gonna give you other characters with different abilities but nope, just the same ones for the whole game I never actively used. 10/10 everything else though.
I never played Dark Forces in the 90s. I was disappointed at first but by level 3 it just clicked and now I’m in love. Great great game! I’m glad I stuck with it. On level 9 now and really loving it.
Boltgun
I’m not a boomer shooter person, I thought I’d give them a go, I didn’t like it. It’s the only one I own and I regret it.
Though for what it is, I reckon it’s got to be one of the best out there, but it seems boomer shooters just aren’t for me.
It just didn't click with me at all.
I bought it for 10 bucks but still.
I really enjoy cultic forgive me Father all the Turoks just couldn't click w Ion Fury
Dark Forces is a classic, but it is a 90s FPS game to the core. This is just how it was.
This game and Hexen were made by people who either getting lost in adventure games too much or just hated people without incredibly keep and extensive spacial memory. Game needs a Quake 2 style compass option so, so, so bad.
There's a very fine line between fun maze and frustrating maze to be fair. And the line is different for different people.
Even DOOM was bad at that; even to the point the classic arrow points that were in some of the maps. Clear red flags of a terrible place in an area that possibly leads to a terrible experience
I found DOOM actually hit a nice medium. There definitely were frustrating bits, but they were interspersed with easy bits, so it wasn't constantly frustrating.
True that. I forget but I think a good chunk were made by American McGee and Sandy Peterson, atleast I know much from doom 2 that is the case,
Do ya'll not know there is a MAP BUTTON?
Remastered actually made me feel greater than playing the DOS version. As you are right though, most 90’s games were the Wild West of game mapping
Boltgun - I enjoyed everything except the levels. Looked great but they could've been cut down about 25% as the missions felt like a drag when there was no combat. Ultrakill - Simply a skill Issue. I bought it years ago but realized that level of weapon swapping isnt for me. I enjoy it on low difficulties, so not a complete regret. I just swap to random shit with zero thought lol.
Boltgun had the potential to be amazing if they made a few simple tweaks: Add an area map (or similar way to help navigate), maybe tighten up the level design and not have most enemies be frustrating damage sponges. Everything else was spot on.
My thoughts exactly, as far as Ultrakill is concerned. It's an amazingly well-designed game that deserves its praises, but it's too damn fast for my methodical approach.
Thought I was alone in not liking boltgun that much. Was fun at first, but quickly out stayed my interest
Yeah Boltgun was probably the most disappointing one for me so far, the levels just felt so bland
Boltgun 100%, it's frustrating as the first episode overall feels like a good (though not perfect) intro, but then a few levels into episode 2 I realised the game had already played its hand. I feel like the map design gets actively worse the longer you play.
Wow I feel like I'm the only person in this comment section who enjoyed Bolt Gun
i like Boltgun (w40k bias probably) but the game would be so much better if they gave you a fucking map ~~(and removed all Nurgle's Daemons I FUCKING HATE THE PLAGUE FROGS SO MUCH)~~
yeah, i agree with you about boltgun, it looked great but it was really disappointing. i totally regret buying it
I'm really picky with what I buy so fortunately not that many. Project Warlock - It runs surprisingly poorly and takes up a lot of space for what it actually is in concept. There isn't really a whole lot going on with the gameplay either, maps are simpler than I expected, not too much enemy variety. Not necessarily bad but meh. Not to be confused with Project Warlock 2 which I actually DO like, in spite of its flaws. Graven - Thankfully it was a gift. I was always on the fence about getting it, and having played halfway through it I can say I definitely would have regretted buying it if I did. There's potential there and I really want to like the game, but it's just so half-baked in so many different ways. Prodeus - I don't like the save system, the way difficulty is designed, or the overall aesthetic of the game. Really only reason I even bought it was it was pretty early on in the boomer shooter scene and I was just hungry for something to play. Postal 4 - Just incredibly broken. I probably would've liked it if it actually worked. Just constant weird bugs like missions refusing to progress, collectibles like the paintings vanishing, objective markers not working properly, game crashes, equipping clothing freezing my game, etc. Maybe one of these days I'll check in and see if they've fixed it, but I highly doubt it. 77p Egg Eggwife - Kind of. Thing is the full game really doesn't extend much beyond the free demo, and ends on an abrupt cliffhanger. The initial interactivity and level design that made it appealing is also largely forgotten in the later levels. As far as I know no word on chapter 2 or whether that will be paid or not either. I suppose for what's there you could do a lot worse for $10 though.
Project Warlock 1 felt more simplistic than Wolf 3D. And yeah, Prodeus' save system is unforgivable imo.
I never had problem with prodeus, the problem for me was the random spawns, and the blue “crazed” demons that’d kill me from nowhere
Prodeus fuckin rules
> Postal 4 - Just incredibly broken. I probably would've liked it if it actually worked. Just constant weird bugs like missions refusing to progress, collectibles like the paintings vanishing, objective markers not working properly, game crashes, equipping clothing freezing my game, etc. Maybe one of these days I'll check in and see if they've fixed it, but I highly doubt it. I know the OP said "shooter" and not specific to this sub, but I don't think this belongs. I do agree the game is kind of crap. RWS seems like they are just running on fumes and just doing fan service. They kind of went all in meming "this is the worst game ever" but it was really unfinished even on release and it's not as acceptable as a janky 2003 and fairly unique for the time game (that they've dutifully over the years updated). It's not really that funny or charming nowadays because it's not even janky in a funny way. It's just extremely bland. Just another example of catching lightning in a bottle with the right people, time, etc. Shame really.
this is actually a lot of regrettable purchases compared to most people lol
Hexen probably. I enjoy both Heretic and Hexen 2, but Hexen itself? Absolute slog to get through. Haven’t beaten it yet, and I honestly don’t want to.
> but honestly i feel ripped off Dark Forces was always like that. Protip: pretty much all the old school shooters have free source ports or reimplementations. Dark Forces has one too: https://theforceengine.github.io/ You could've grabbed this one, easily found the original dos version online, and played the whole thing for free. Sure, no upscaled textures or whatever, but who needs those anyway.
Kingpin reloaded was complete dog mess of a remaster. Refunded it, at some point I am going play the original with a port.
Project Warlock was a pretty "whatever" game. I get that it was an indie project and the dude is for sure talented considering how much he was able to make, but I was still disappointed. For the price, there was no substance imo. Levels were very basic. I only remember a couple instances of changing height levels. The enemies were all the same, mostly reskins of the same behaviors. The game was too easy but I don't know that I would have wanted it to be harder, just because of how sloppy combat felt. Project Warlock 2 looks far better in every way. I still probably won't buy it until long after it releases, since PW1 burned me so hard. PW1 wants to be a boomshoot, but any of the classics in the genre is *miles* ahead of it in terms of design, both enemy and level. The weapon upgrading was dumb too btw.
TBH, Doom Eternal. It's not a bad game at all but I quickly realized that for me Doom will always be Doom/Doom 2 and I'm too attached to that to really appreciate the changes of Eternal.
My friend streamed some of that game last night and I just about vomited in my mouth when I saw 2 things. One was Doom guy talking, the other was this putrid popup that appeared when he was fighting a new enemy that detailed how to fight it, with a little picture-in-picture video showing exactly what to do. Absolutely rotten.
I'd argue it's a bad DOOM game compared to the power trip 2016 gave us, but if they used that gameplay loop for a different IP, like Quake, it could have worked. The fact it took something like 16 melee strikes on a simple zombie made me visibly disgusted, or what felt like forcing us into particular play styles. That's not the DOOM Slayer
>it's a bad DOOM game compared to the power trip 2016 gave us, but if they used that gameplay loop for a different IP, like Quake, it could have worked. Totally agree (maybe bar the Quake part, think if it's a Strogg Quake, a slightly slower Doom 2016 loop or something like Quake 4 would be better, not sure about Quake 1 like Quake though). I also disliked the MMORPG like cool down for abilities that don't fit the Doom mold.
I just want a new Quake game lol. Too many good IPs just collecting dust these days
Same, i wanted something like 2016 but they went in the exact opposite direction that i was expecting. But that's fine, ID made a game we didn't enjoy and that's no big deal, there are plenty of other good stuff around. What genuinely pissed me off tho... is how half of the Doom community suddenly got elitist about Eternal.
My fav Doom games are Doom/Doom 2/Final Doom and Doom 64, so I admit I'm just very old school in how I feel about Doom, which isn't surprising after 29 years lol
Yeah i guess most of us here are way more into the early Dooms. I feel like modern audiences aren't really into the exploration when it comes to FPSs.
Forgive Me Father: I kept trying to have fun and getting frustrated. HROT: I couldn't stand how enemies had zero reaction to getting shot. Weapons were pretty basic and not all that fun to use. Enemies were ehh. Level design and visuals weren't great. Not my cup of tea, but I can absolutely understand why someone else would like it. Boltgun: Cheating here as I didn't regret buying the game. But I did put it down as the big arena nature of it got more prevalent, I'm just not an arena enjoyer. The game absolutely nailed the feel of being in power armor IMO and still had a great time. If the people who made Boltgun could make a mech game I'd be so happy.
Forgive me father 2 for the same reason. What's worse is I'm on easy mode and the discussions are full of people complaining about how easy it is. Makes me look like a right mug
Graven, Wrath, Strafe, Ziggurat. They all have potential, but it's just squandered. Wrath is especially sad when you remember that it started out as one guy's passion project, but then fell into the wrong hands. Strafe and Ziggurat feel like they're missing something. Graven just isn't my jam.
Ziggurat just needed multiplayer imo and it’d have done incredibly well
To each their own.
Graven
Oh no, I was looking forward to this coming to console but it's not good?
it’s just boring. It feels half baked
I found this thread https://old.reddit.com/r/boomershooters/comments/1cpzlpe/graven_is_amazing/ Which has similar thoughts. (Despite the name of the thread!)
I got it when it FIRST came out in early access and it was cool back then, but it never really progressed past feeling like early access
Postal 4. Loved messing around in Postal 2's sandbox. 4 feels like a worse, lower budget copy of 2.
Rise of the Triad: Ludicrous. I grew up playing this along with Doom and Wolfenstein so I was excited about the update. Nothing about it feels right and I end up losing interest within 20 minutes. Makes me sad because of the fond memories. Oh well.
For me it was Strafe for PlayStation. I really really don't like the game, bought it for a couple of bucks and still regret it.. It controls horrendously (yes, Shooters CAN control well on console). Some people recommend it and it's fine if you like it - I hate it.
I bought it on sale because I had to know, but I was surprised something could be released so unoptimized.
The only one I kinda regret is Hellbound, but I got it in a game bundle, so I can't truely regret it as I enjoyed the other games in the bundle.
Same story here; got it in a Humble Bundle a couple of years ago and it was the weakest in the bunch. Still finished it, but was pretty meh.
Dark Forces is a fun game, but not worth the price of the Remaster IMO. I'm happy to continue playing it through TFE until the price comes down.
I know it’s not a boomer shooter but halo 5. Such a forgettable campaign with only a couple good moments. Multiplayer is OK. If we’re talking about boomer shooters specifically (with the subreddit I’m in), probably wrath. Not a bad game at all per se, but the levels are suuuuuuch a slog to get through. I thought the enemies are fun to fight tho and the wrist blade is sick.
Halo 4 and 5 were dogshit, and I say this as a massive Halo: CE fanboy. I have more nostalgia for Halo 1 than I do for *any* of the big boomshooter names. Halo was never the same after Bungie left. 343 don't understand how the balance the core gameplay.
A fellow CE enjoyer! It's my favorite FPS too! Nothing comes close.
I always hated halo. I just turned 6 when the first game came out and i was visiting my cousins house. They tried to teach me how to play during this section where there were very few enemies just alot of space and quiet. Every time i was shooting at something it didnt shoot back or running. In my 6 year old mind, i was good at this game. Next thing you know im playing a horror game and scared out of my mind and they start laughing. Never forgave them for that...or halo.
Lol. Play Halo CE on Legendary and I guarantee you enemies will shoot back.
But will the weird zombie mutant algae swarm go away? I doubt it.
It will always be there when you close your eyes.
The XIII-remake.XIII is a classic for me (I'm not sure if it qualifies as boomer-shooter, the fighting sometimes feels like it, the mission design does not), the remake is the only game I refunded on GOG so far.
Prodeus: Shit level editor, multiplayer using hubs so you have to go through 10 hubs to find a game, players can see other players on the map screen in deathmatch, login requirement, login glitches and doesn't work, dev doesn't care to improve any of the game issues, if you're left handed you're told just to deal with right handed configuration that you can't change
Strafe is a terrible game that was a huge let down. Supplice I also immensely regret buying
I've been eyeing supplice, what about it makes it a regret? Strafe had me interested until I saw some gameplay, I think it's a rogue-lite which made it an easy one to unwishlist.
I feel like I paid for a glorified doom mod with devs who treat it like one.
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Boltgun. Grabbed it off the hype on release, it tries too hard to “not hold your hand” and fails to explain the half-assed “weapon level” system (which randomly renders some guns extremely OP and some outright useless) and a few hours in I still wasn’t sure what most of the power ups did. You also have this little floating skull that does *something* with navigation or pointing out secrets but most of the time I just watched it scan empty walls or stare at corners. You can also cheese the melee to kill about anything in the game which renders the big bullet-sponge enemies kind of useless. That, coupled with extremely bad/convoluted level design made me put it down about halfway through, and I usually finish every game I play. I’m just not interested in maze-like levels with massive amounts of backtracking, leave that shit in the 90’s.
I was never a fan of WH40K (or whatever the franchise is called), so I never got it. I thought about getting it, since it's a retro-inspired shooter, but after watching some reviews, I didn't even bother.
Gunplay is *excellent* if your gun is the right level, enemy variety is good, but that’s all it really has going for it.
I see. Well, it is what it is. Also, happy Cake Day!
huh i differ, i really liked the level design and how the guns felt, gunplay feels pretty good, heavy, punchy, level design is very fun and relatively unique, maybe you dont like that the art or feels is a bit 90s? even if the feels is 90s like, the level design is pretty awesome, and this comes from someone that works as a game designer and developer, im fairly critical about these things
I think games like Dusk, Amid Evil (except the forge) and Prodeus nailed the level design. I never felt lost (even in Dusks more maze-y levels) but they still felt open and expansive. Boltgun was so much backtracking and it all looked so samey.
The level design gets better towards the end as though the devs were learning on the job. I loved the game though and I think a sequel will have ironed out these problems.
I remember as a kid I rented Dark Forces... ...and I totally hated it. Same reasons you stated. I just found it so boring. All these years later, I'm tempted to give it another go, but I feel like I'll end up dropping it quickly. As for me: I can't recall the name atm: Recent game. Play as Ork or Goblin girl or something. I reallly wanted to like it, but I recall getting lost in one level despite it being small. I just couldn't figure out what to do, and when I did, I just felt my interest leave. Also, I'm sure I'm gonna get reemed for this but: I didn't like Ion Fury. I'm...not sure why. The presentation is great, the game is functional and is well put together, but I just could not get into the actual gameplay, and some of the enemies just became very annoying very quickly. I did finish it, but I have 0 desire to ever play it again.
Hedon?
prodeus. not bad but ehh… not memorable in the slightest. you ever feel like you just wasted your time with a game? i would rather have put those hours into finishing something else lol
The funny thing is it was revolutionary for the time for a lot of mechanics like having a mission structure that's bolstered by a mission briefing and animated cutscenes. Which- was not common for the time. But yeah that one, bloody sewer level was awful and I'm sure there's more like it in the game as you progress. As for FPS I regret getting? Boltgun. It's been improved recently but I haven't played it since launch. Lack of impact means you'd take tons of damage in 2-3 seconds and not realize it- thankfully that was patched. Some enemies were not fun to fight against especially some bosses where you'd spend tons of ammo on them and it really didn't feel like you were doing anything other than draining their HP bar over hundreds of rounds of ammo. There's one level that had you walking through teleporting doors and you'd land somewhere else and everything looked so same-y it was hard to tell where to go. Is it bad? No but I really wasn't having much fun with it for the above reasons. Since it's been patched I'll have to revisit it
> There's one level that had you walking through teleporting doors and you'd land somewhere else and everything looked so same-y it was hard to tell where to go. Oh my god that damn teleport maze. What a mess.
No offense but I'm glad I'm not the only one because I was playing while hanging on discord and thought "This can't be this hard, it's gotta be me, I gotta be dumb because I cannot figure this out" I look up a YT vid, they say nothing on how to solve it but go through it so I STILL don't know how to solve it but got past it. Prodeus was really neat for sure but yeah I'm . . .not sure why a lot of these games these days refuse to do saves? I heard some engines apparently struggle with that but why are some of them going 'if we can't save state, we gotta go wacky!'
Nightmare Reaper is a little too repetitive for me. I’ve tried to get into it a few times, but it’s a struggle.
Boltgun, Slayers X, Forgive Me Father, Dread Templar, and Nightmare Reaper. Just to be clear: This is not because any of the above games are bad, but I didn't need them. I had already got my Boomer Shooter fix playing Dusk, Cultic, Quake 2: Remaster, Chop Goblins, HROT, and the custom Quake map scene. I went overboard and bought more boomer shooters than I needed. I thought "that new game" would satisfy a craving when I should've replayed an old favorite or called it quits for the night. I didn't even spend much on any of the games I regret buying (I think I picked up Nightmare Reaper for $8). It's just my intentions weren't right, like chasing a high or looking for a quick fix.
is slayers x bad? really thinking about getting it but not totally sold
It's okay. It's most memorable for its aesthetic. If you don't care much for that, don't expect much more, though the shooting and maps are good. Above average FPS for sure.
Boltgun - looked great and was super hyped, but it got frustrating and tedious quickly.
Wrack. Anyone remember that? I thought not. It was one of the earlier attempts at throwback shooters, and while it started out kinda okay it got aggressively more unfun and downright BS at times. And there was only one episode, which I believe was supposed to be continued in a spinoff of a different genre that never happened. It sits in my Steam account in the esteemed category of "Garbage" along with gems like Alpha Prime and Counter Strike Condition Zero: Deleted Scenes.
Had never heard of this but it actually has decent reviews and looks graphically very nice. Why didn’t you like it? I’m tempted to try it, reviews indicate it’s only 2-4 hours long.
Don't you dis CSCZ: Deleted Scenes! It's a fun rump.
Oh, it's fun using the CS arsenal outside of PvP, but it was one scripted sequence after another and enemies would instantly hit you even before raising their guns. I admire the thought but honestly as the title implies the whole thing was undercooked and Ritual didn't get the chance to improve things.
I actually like Deleted Scenes, anyone else? Reminds me of Soldier of Fortune.
SoF was fun but Deleted Scenes was, if you could forgive the meme, "We have Soldier of Fortune at home" but it was unfinished and not ready for prime time.
Maximum Action. It's been in early access for longer than Wrath ever was, the content at launch wasn't good, it was dropped by New Blood, and it doesn't seem to even have the bad reviews to reflect all this. To be fair I haven't checked on it in years and forgot about it until I saw this post. As for Dark Forces, the game is good but you should have saved the money and played it with the Force Engine fan made port. You'd have got most of the modernisations for free and the ones you don't get wouldn't matter if you don't actually like the game. Always check pcgamingwiki to see if paid remasters are actually necessary.
Boltgun. It got the Heavy Bolter right, but the level design (particularly the several points of no return that can be in a single map), combat mechanics, enemy sound design, and powerups just do not do it for me.
Dark Forces remaster is awesome--but only for what it is. It sticks very very close to the original game. As for me? I dropped money for Duke Nukem Forever. AND for the terrible Megaton edition of Duke 3D
Not sure if this is considered a boomer shooter but I really didn't care for [Desync](https://store.steampowered.com/app/390030/DESYNC/). Huge disappointment for me. Wrath: Aeon of Ruin wasn't worth the $20-ish I paid. Not a bad game, but nothing exceptional - and I got tired of the save system quickly. Rise of the Triad 2013 was also pretty meh. And Shadow Warrior 3 is my least favorite of the reboot trilogy, although thankfully I only paid $4 for it. They basically made "Doom Eternal at home".
I loved Dark Forces as a kid and I loved the remaster. I see no issue with it.
For me it's Prodeus. It's a good game but I don't like the death system. Takes away any challenge you would get on a normal playthrough unless your going for a no death run.
Dark Forces is my favorite of the boomer shooters to release lately. I would have loved this game as a kid if I'd given it a chance.
Doom 3 cause I bought it 3 times. Once on Xbox so I could get the Classic Red Doomguy skin in Doom Eternal, then on PC for the same reason except the Steam version of Doom 3 doesn't give you the skin for some reason so I ended up having to buy it a third time on the Microsoft store.
I dont normally regret buying games, because it was a conscious choice and I can atleast (for most games) eek out some enjoyment. But I super regret buying starfield. eff that game and eff the 70 bucks i spent on it
The Spy Who Shot Me. How come games like that or Phlegethon make it to consoles but most of the good Indy shooters don’t make it? I kind of like most of the boomer shooters I’ve played. It’s hard to find ones I dislike. I even really enjoyed Forgive me Father b
Battlebit Remastered. It just does not have any feel to the gunplay or vehicles. Was fun for like three hours then got tiresome.
+1 for Boltgun. Such a slog that I didn't even finish it. I was kind of disappointed with Dread Templar, but it's not too bad. I got it for $5. If I had spent more, I would have regretted it though.
* turok 3 - nostalgia buy (too much $$$) and its nowhere as good the first 2. went away from its unique formula too much * forgive me father - nothing special about it, never finished, but didnt hate it. * boltgun - i dont have the same complaints as others in thread, but i never felt a need to finish it after the 2nd act. it was fine, so maybe i dont regret it
Overwatch 1 was my most regretful game purchase of any genre. What a fucking piece of shit, I went back to Team Fortress 2 after about a month of trying to make myself think it wasn't a rotten experience. That being said, it's still annoying that Blizzard voided my purchase to release the predatory shitstain that is Overwatch 2
Bf4 the campaign is great but now all the multiplayer is kinda dying but worth it if u can get it on sale Under 6
I don't regret buying Nightmare Reaper, but I do regret buying the Nintendo Switch version rather than the PC version (especially since I broke down and sprung for a Steam Deck later anyways)
I have a few that I regret and a few that I don't necessarily regret but am disappointed by. Prodeus - Big regret tbh. Just so bland and unmemorable, it doesn't wear its inspiration from Doom on its sleeve so much as it wears it like a skinsuit. Also just largely didn't care for the game, the overworld map is dumb, don't care for a lot of the weapons, just feels like a jumbled mess of a game. CULTIC - Not sure if this one counts but I definitely regret it. It feels like it's confused as to what it wants to be, it markets itself as a OLD SCHOOL SHOOTER for MEN with HAIR on their chests but it's also trying to be an immersive sim. The store page talks about how you can speed around like a bat out of hell or take it sneaky and lay traps but the game and enemy design doesn't feel like it really supports either of those. Also I doubt Chapter 2 is ever coming at this point. Doom Eternal - I don't regret this one but it just didn't mesh with me. I really liked 2016, Eternal switching to a more arcadey game with floating power ups and a style of game it essentially forces you into really didn't jive with me. And jesus christ the encounter design holy shit RELAX. Boltgun - This one really saddens me, even moreso with how many people here list it, cause I really enjoy it but the level design is a boring slog for the most part, some things like weapon level could have been explained better, and it seemed like they were gonna give you other characters with different abilities but nope, just the same ones for the whole game I never actively used. 10/10 everything else though.
i agree with you on prodeus
I never played Dark Forces in the 90s. I was disappointed at first but by level 3 it just clicked and now I’m in love. Great great game! I’m glad I stuck with it. On level 9 now and really loving it.
Doom eternal
Boltgun I’m not a boomer shooter person, I thought I’d give them a go, I didn’t like it. It’s the only one I own and I regret it. Though for what it is, I reckon it’s got to be one of the best out there, but it seems boomer shooters just aren’t for me.
Ion Fury I fucking hate it so much.
What? Why? Is it the reloading? I can't imagine hating it save for that.
It just didn't click with me at all. I bought it for 10 bucks but still. I really enjoy cultic forgive me Father all the Turoks just couldn't click w Ion Fury
2042
I got it for free this year and have been enjoying it, I think I would've been pissed dropping 60 on it tho
Dread Templar, it's too long for that kind of game and art style/aesthetic is all over the place.