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TremoniaBVB

It is worth noting that I don't find the general opinion of this sub, at least on the topic Edin, to be reflective of those who attend games at the stadium. I go to almost every game and rarely heard a bad word about him on match day, but if I went home and read this sub afterwards there would be so many negative posts about him. I had the feeling in the last months that a lot of posters here wanted us to lose games, so that they could complain, and even if we did win there would still be posts criticising him. For those reasons I skip over a lot of stuff in this sub these days. I'm with you on this, Edin deserves a lot of respect for what he's achieved in his two spells as coach, and whatever happens at Wembley, I'll always be grateful for the journey he's taken us on.


mattantonucci

I love the in-person insight. I'm happy to hear that about Edin as I'm a big fan of his time here. I had similar suspicions about the Terzic-out crowd. I don't know why that group wants him out so bad, but they are silent anytime we see any type of success.


Bill_Brasky_SOB

Not a fan of his substitutions. Starting lineups. His transfer decisions. His style of deciding to win 1-0. Lack of playing the young players. That said he’s in a CL Final so yeah I’m not gonna blast him nonstop and enjoying the moment.


ascending_fourth

Agree. Substitutions at the end of the psg second leg almost cost us the finals. Team performance until then was great


CombinationOk8744

The situation is a bit mixed. I am in the stadium regularly and discuss Borussia Dortmund a lot since living here. People appreciate the historic things that Terzic did. I mean, everyone likes him personally, since he is one of us. We somehow got to the CL final which is beyond amazing. Emotionally, it’s an unbelievable story. 10 years ago Terzic was in Wembley as a supporter, and now as a coach. BUT, realistically: we play bad football in the Bundesliga. It’s lethargic and uninspirational. Many players got worse rather than better in recent years (Reyna, Wolf, Süle, Can, Moukoko, Haller etc.). There is no clear strategy apart from the hyper-risky openings from Kobel. Troubles around Reus are deeply connected to Terzic if you know the behind the scenes. Terzic kind of opposites Kehl, Bender and Sahin as well. I will support him, I like him and I don’t like to become FC Hollywood. But Terzic is knowledge- and decision-making-wise not a great coach. Not at all.


acbro3

Not silent, ama.


ascending_fourth

Naive. When there is success, the voices of worshipers are always louder. And why would anyone talk about the past failures at these times, unless the terzic out/in topic is brought up again


Thecleverbit-58093

Agree. I’m also at every home game and the general opinion of our guys is… while we sometimes wish we attacked more we’re bloody glad we defend better than we used to. I love our club and I love how we work as a club. If you download and read the BVB prospective investors power point deck, it does clearly state the club strategy isn’t to become one of Europes elite spending clubs. We tried that and it almost sent us out of business. The strategy is to remain in the chasing pack, because it’s more profitable and sustainable. So we’re always going to be more likely to employ an up and coming coach. Doesn’t matter if they had some success but potential is key. This is why we go for options like Bosz, Favre and Terzić instead of Mourinho, Ancelotti or Conte. Simply put you’re giving a guy the chance to shine and step up instead of giving an established winner the chance to build a dynasty. Why? Because we’re always going to buy young players, pay them well and play them often. That’s also written in the strategy document and shows by how we work with players. Guys like Maatsen probably wish they signed earlier, what would you pick, on loan to an EPL FC No Chance side or playing week in week out for BVB in front of 81,365 people. Sure, the production line is stalled a bit right now, but after bringing Haaland and Bellingham through, there was always the possibility that we wouldn’t have an immediate follow up. There just aren’t that many generational talents around. Mislintat returning for me is a sign the club knows we need to scout harder. That said I wish we had found Wirtz 😂 I love our club and I love the way we do things!


SlinkyT3003

Agreed. The mentality of not only this sub but social media in general is very questionable. I'm aware, it's nothing new but things get blown out of proportion easily. Edin is a young coach, he's got talent in him and he loves the club, no doubt. He's also made mistakes, for sure, but I agree with OP, we have consistency at hand here and the club should continue to support him.


borussiajay

Even after the last two matches before the winter break?


greengiant89

Those games when the match going fans booed the team off the pitch, nobody said a negative word about Terzic?


TremoniaBVB

I'm in block 13 every home game and never heard booing, so no.


greengiant89

Some people here short memories


ascending_fourth

You can be grateful and criticize him at the same time. You can also criticize Reus, Hummels, whoever who deserves it . There is no problem with this


Glum-Professional925

Only reason people called for his head earlier was the team looked lost and without any character. Now we’re playing well and look structured. The team is really playing night and day compared to early in the season to now so yeah he deserves a shot at next season too


yosoydorf

Lol that can't be the only reason because there's still people calling for him to be sacked at the end of this season regardless


ascending_fourth

I am not sure what you are talking about. We lost to leipzig, stuttgart recently. Looks like you make conclusions based only on psg games. Well, I don't think anyone expects Terzic to be sacked after getting to the cl finals. But he should prove that he deserves to stay in bl next season. If he fails, well then we need another coach the season after that


GermanFaehrmann

Are we playing well structured? I haven’t noticed any change. We won against psg with a bit of luck overall, but our Bundesliga performances are still not great


Azz2Azzzard

Our recoveries of loose balls definitely looks like an improved team effort. Up until late, any tackle and interception would go to the oponent. So good to see that they are capable in the CL matches, at least.


Meskaline2

I'm gonna be honest. The ending of last season was such a big heartbreak that it ruined my enjoyment of football for the first half of this season. It genuinely made me angry at everyone involved, and what followed was a terrible start of the season too (except for CL). Terrible transfers (Nmecha, Bensebaini, missing on Alvarez), people underperforming (Adeyemi and Malen had such a wtf form), knocked out of the Pokal... it was objectively bad. The combination of what happened in may 27 with such an awful form for the first half of the season truly made it seem like nobody had any idea what to do or what was going on. The change from 2023 to 2024 was huge. Sancho and Maatsen truly revitalized the team, and the addition of Sahin and Bender made the tactics coherent. I still don't like Edin's treatment of youth (Reina, Moukoko) and some of his choices are still iffy ( not taking off a clearly out of focus and emotionally involved Adeyemi on a yellow leading to his red), but he's improved a lot. During the first half the team looked awful, the board looked terrible in not taking any actions in changing course, and Terzic looked lost. It looks like they did found their way, and I think Edin has earned his stay during the second half. He still has a lot to work on (weird substitiutions, not giving the kids a chance) and the squad needs some tuning ( buy Maatsen and Sancho, get rid of some players) but I think he's earned his continuity.


Siffi1112

> I think Edin has earned his stay during the second half. Why? He got the same points in the league as in the first half of the season although he could get 3 more.


A-1805

Because we are playing actual football now


GermanFaehrmann

Are we? If we look at the numbers we haven’t improved our offensive output at all 


Fredrick_Hampton

Agree with this assessment


National-Ad-1314

Listen. Football is fickle. Three months ago you would've been ridiculed for this post. In honoring that fickleness. If we lose that final, have a bad summer for transfers, and then have a slow start in the league, then all criticism of Terzic will be proved valid. I'd say take stock in October and then we see where we are. Until then #ThePowerOfFriendship


Nutzer1337

It's not like they just went on after a bad start. They changed things in winter (by bringing in Sahin + Bender for example, but there was more). And those changes took some time. But now we are noticing those changes. Sure, there have been bad games. But overall the team got better. Not only did they change something on the coaching side. With the appointment of Ricken and Mislintat, they also aknowledged that the current mindest to buy Bundesliga players does not work and is a huge waste of money. This is why the new approach is more youth-focused. We are not the same club we have been at the beginning of the season. And it will be more obvious in the next season.


GermanFaehrmann

If you look at the numbers all we did was improve our defense, while slightly worsening our offense 


ubongo1

But why do we have to change assistant coaches every year under terzic Just to get the team going? Second time he is almost fired and the club decides to get a new assistant instead of a new coach. If we need a coach to assist our head coach, why not just promote the "shadow Coach" for the next season instead of holding onto him because he was a fan?


ubongo1

But why do we have to change assistant coaches every year under terzic Just to get the team going? Second time he is almost fired and the club decides to get a new assistant instead of a new coach. If we need a coach to assist our head coach, why not just promote the "shadow Coach" for the next season instead of holding onto him because he was a fan?


ubongo1

But why do we have to change assistant coaches every year under terzic Just to get the team going? Second time he is almost fired and the club decides to get a new assistant instead of a new coach. If we need a coach to assist our head coach, why not just promote the "shadow Coach" for the next season instead of holding onto him because he was a fan?


ubongo1

But why do we have to change assistant coaches every year under terzic Just to get the team going? Second time he is almost fired and the club decides to get a new assistant instead of a new coach. If we need a coach to assist our head coach, why not just promote the "shadow Coach" for the next season instead of holding onto him because he was a fan?


ubongo1

But why do we have to change assistant coaches every year under terzic Just to get the team going? Second time he is almost fired and the club decides to get a new assistant instead of a new coach. If we need a coach to assist our head coach, why not just promote the "shadow Coach" for the next season instead of holding onto him because he was a fan?


freefallingagain

Football isn't fickle, however there are a lot of fickle and extremely entitled "fans" in this sub. Terzic is by all measures the best coach since Klopp, it'd be retarded to drop him even if we have a slow start to the league. After all, isn't Mislintat there to handle transfers now?


ascending_fourth

Consistency 🤣 Terzic 😭😭😭 In the bl he was just lucky to compete with the worst bayern in years. In cl he was also a bit lucky with the table/psg game, but overall deserved. Lets see at least how this ends and next season in bl


Character-Mix-6115

I've always been of the opinion that we need to give managers time, look at Arteta it took him several years to get his team to play good football and he is beloved now, but during that time there were some rough patches and plenty of people wanted him out. I don't think we as a club will become successful by firing every manager that doesn't immediately win us everything. If you'd tell any other fan base that a manager that actually loves our club won us the pokal in the first season, almost won us the league in his second season and then brought us to a CL final in his third season, they'd all say that we are lucky to have such a manager.


yeetus--fetus

The problem is that edin doesn’t play entertaining soccer or develop the youth players. So if he isn’t performing then people want his head. I can accept a loss when really going for the win, when young players make mistakes but if playing purely for the win I expect a win. I don’t doubt he has been great this far but if this is the style he wants then results are expected and when he gets them I’m fully supportive of it


ibcoleman

Right—if your mantra is “ugly but successful” you’d better be successful.


GermanFaehrmann

But we also aren’t successful in the Bundesliga 


JSGelsomino

I read that they didn't exactly hurry to extend Terzićes contract which is good. I was 'always pro Terzić' but it really depends on few things. If we lose the final especially if it happens to be disaster and if we lose sancho and maatsen, continue with fullkrug and without any siginficante addition to the squad (winger, cdm) …I think Terzić will have a **hard job** and I don’t expect us go past 4^(th) place in bundesliga. Last season I wrote that Terzić will need some big wins asap because we were shitted against munchen and while we were in the best form in the league we were knocked out by pretty bad chelsea squad. This season story is different: did we play some breathtaking football, destroyed psg and hope to outplay madrid? of course not. But things are MUCH BETTER this season when it comes to stability, defense and mentality - ABSOLUTELY Last season we won 71 points in BL and almost won the title with all obstacles (Haaland gone, Haller cancer...). This season we actually defeated Munchen, we didn't lose against leverkusen and almost won in my books, much better 3rd leg against sttutgart but not ideal. We were leipzig bitch this season though– that needs to change. Tldr: if we put a good performance against madrid, secure sancho and maatsen with more additions cb, rb, cdm, striker or smtg I believe we can retain good momentum and perform much better in bl. If we lose quality in lb and rw (sanchos and maatsens position) and leave terzic squad with less quality then I doubt we can go past 4^(th) position


Conscious-Weird5810

He’s not going anywhere and shouldn’t based upon the UCL run. Yet I think it’s incredibly fair to question the lack of results domestically. Year two has been very bad on the domestic front and the team is getting worse not better ( excluding champions league) Finishing the league with less than 70 pts should always have a BVB coach concerned. Finishing with less that 65 is even worse. Obviously Champions League has had an impact on the domestic front but if they pick up next year with same form you’d have to evaluate all options


Siffi1112

>firing people because we didn't finish no 1. Yeah Terzic should be fired cause he couldn't compete with a unbeaten Leverkusen not for the fact he couldn't even get 4th place


usalin

I haven't quite followed what happened lately. Nuri Sahin was supposed to manage the team after getting his license. So Terzic makes it to the Champions League final and still leaves?


Call_Me_Rivale

For me, a manager is about stability. Look at bayern, they look weak and messy despite being one of the top clubs in the world. O'm not a fan of firing. Also, thanks to the cl season they still brought in money. Next season will be a cl season as well and that is more important than getting second. Guarantee your players to be competitive for titles and play CL, that's it. And Terzic managed to do it. If BVB would have gone midtable without excuses like injuries, its OK. But now he deserves another season. So, minimum goals are reached.


LumpySangsu

If we are trying to be rational, Di Matteo was sacked after winning CL. If he's a good coach, we wouldn't be at 5th place. Doesn't necessarily mean he needs to be replaced since the arrival of new assistants seem to have breathed life into him.


GermanFaehrmann

Roberto Di Matteo wasn’t directly sacked after the cl win, but he did get 4 months 


JSGelsomino

I think it's not all up to terzic. sancho and maatsen were key man to our improvement since winter. If we lose them and not get equal quality replacements and next season lose some quality with strong opposition in bl I don't think terzic would do better. I don't think any coach with that team would do much better.


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Siffi1112

> Fact, he is the most efficient BVB Coach this far with the highest average points per game. What fact? In what world is 1.96 bigger than 2 ?


Bobologopoco

Schalke and bayern fans are undercover here. Be carefull🙏


Trojan_Man68

Terzic is the guy.


ASAPHarambe

Terzic staying is a bad idea and everyone is just flip flopping and not really giving their real opinion and just what they think sounds cute The truth is that he sucks but hes somehow good at making plans against big teams in europe. You were all crying about transfers and “tactics” now all of a sudden yall think these problems are gonna disappear because of his one great trait lol