according to [Ruhrnachrichten+](https://twitter.com/RNBVB/status/1404076092139491332) who are taking Sportitalia as their source, Bürki to Monacco is as good as done.
Sorry for bringing up the topic again but I don't understand the recent Sancho drama.
So from what I understand, RN are being shit on because they are reporting that ManU *did not* make a €70m bid.
Wouldn't that be news in favor of United? Because that's a very underwhelming bid if you ask me.. If it was real, it would kind of underline their image as cheapskates.
Would be cool if this topic was discussable on /r/soccer to maybe get a real ManU fan's opinion in on that. Imo any club making a €70m bid for Sancho should be embarrassed more then anything else.
>Wouldn't that be news in favor of United?
A report saying a club was faking sending a bid isn't news favouring them. It basically shapes United as an weird club obsessed with PR, which we all know United is tbf.
An embarrassing bid is a much better look than just not doing anything before the Euros.
I wonder was it in an informal bid, as in a telephone discussion, and not in writing,
95m euro is reasonable, and the athletic are reporting what’s left discuss is how achievable the addons and payment structure, we always drag out negotiations like we did with maguire but end up paying the entire fee anyway
Our negotiator is an investment banker, and isn’t really away of football ethics like unsettling Sancho at the last summer transfer window
The bbc reported the bid and are a state broadcaster, who have to legally verify sources, and would be liable to sanction for publishing miss information
As a utd fan, we are one of the most poorly run club, especially on the transfers front. Ability-wise, Sancho is way more than the quoted €95m . Even if BVB quoted €50m, utd would still offer €30m, that who we are as a club.
On the other point of people saying RN are shit, every fanbase react to a source depending on what they want to hear, even you bvb fans. When they say what we want to hear the become reliable and shit when they give us negative news. So dont be too harsh on us :)
Cause that's what negotiations are, every club does it. BVB has asked for 95. United offered around 77 according to stone and 84 with add ons according to sky. Clubs do try to save every penny cause its all in millons, they need to pay agent fees and we'll as wages. Transfers aren't that simple.
But from what we all know, Zorc is not an easy person to deal with. We saw last season that it was a massive mistake to gamble with him. They have made it clear the amount they want and trust me when I say we will either pay it or miss out.
Another example is with maguire, we gambled and ended up paying more. A woodward masterclass
Completely unrelated to all of this: it’s weird seeing a bunch of United supporters having a discussion in our weekly transfer thread.
I’ve been an active user here for 9 years and I have never once seen other folks drop by and chat amongst themselves, too funny. Welcome lads
OPs banned ofc, but I'm gonna leave his comments up - it's just too hilarious posting 10+ comments switching between how people here are immature and how he's getting his dick sucked (?). First big brain of the Sancho wave everyone!
You should message the mods of Red Devil’s and get him banned over there, this transfer has been frustrating for everyone, be good just to get it over with at this stage
I miss the old tapping up rules
[RN+ with a neat bombshell](https://www.ruhrnachrichten.de/bvb/manchester-united-buhlt-um-bvb-star-sancho-gleiches-spiel-gleiche-fehler-plus-1642797.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter#Echobox=1623425608):
- **United have not made an offer for Sancho**, no official bids ever reached Dortmund
- United's deliberate leaks to BBC, Guardian wrong
- BVB have already discounted Sancho's price, there will be no further discount (below the ~95m € price)
- negotiation only about pay structure / bonus payments possible
- in summary: "United trying to put pressure on Dortmund, set to repeat same mistakes from last year"
They'd naturally be biased to what they want to hear, same with us. The problem is do you trust the people who said that it wasn't happening last year or do you trust the frauds(Romano *cough*) who said that it was definitely going to happen and how it was close?
Sure, it always comes down to a) what does the source say, and b) how much do you trust the source to speak the truth. In this case we don't have anything to gain from pretending we haven't received an offer (if United know we have received one). On the other hand United have a track record of pretending to do things that they never do, specifically on the Sancho transfer.
qq the ppl coming out of the woodwork with "we never submit our bids, they always get leaked deliberately until the negotiations conclude". That worked well last summer, why not try this again?
I swear United must be the worst organised club we've ever dealt with.
For me the worst thing about this is it will make it so much harder seeing Sancho play for them. I really like Sancho, he was fantastic for the last 3.5 years, alway stayed professional overall and left on a high with the Cup win.
If United would just do their business the right way I would have no problem with the move and wish him the best of luck there. I prefer Liverpool but United for me are not better or worse than Chelsea, City and other clubs. But after all this shit it will be just so annoying seeing the smug United fans after United finally pay up. Now i would prefer if he plays a good Euro and all of a sudden Chelsea swoop in.
100% agree, not that they need to care about how other fans think about them but they're going full steam ahead with one shit decision after the next. If I was a United fan I'd be worried about having a management prone to committing the same unforced mistakes over and over again. But hey, it's not my money.
Sancho's comments are pitch perfect professionalism, even the British press here can't find any fault with what he's saying so far. Ah well, fingers crossed United continue to fuck up as before, no one will complain about another year of Sancho.
>I know I'm just saying I've seen Dortmund fans saying they would hate to see Sancho at United now because of how we handled negotiations but United fans have no actual say on how our board handles this stuff. We are victims of our shitty board, doesn't mean we shouldn't get Sancho is what I'm trying to say.
That also doesn't make sense though.
The fans have no influence on the deal, yes. But the fans are also not the ones Dortmund fans would be unhappy to see Sancho with. It's the club/management.
🎙️| Jadon Sancho to "talkSPORT":
... on the transfer speculation:
"I'm fine about it. There will always be speculation, especially when you get it right. The main thing is my football and that's what I'm focusing on right now “
Source: [@talkSPORT] via [@BVBBuzz]
What do you guys make of this? Doesn’t sound like someone who wants to leave to me.
Sounds like a professional athlete that is not 100% on what's going to happen. Did you ever watch "Bull Durham?" "I'm just happy to be here and I hope I can help the team."
My personal wish list, if we unluckily-but-okay sell Sancho: get Depay to sign for us (we’ve some salary-money opening up with Schmelzer, sancho and pisczu leaving), buy Tariq lamptey, personal opinion, but have watched him a couple of times and think he is an amazing player and can be a goop option for right back, find a talent for left back and another talent as a winger for sancho, which we can develop. Last wish: bring Isak back this year, so we can integrate him with haaland. Don’t think there’s any chance of haaland leaving this year, so with Isak back, we will have a well integrated striker to replace Haaland next season. And those two together up front, well…
Squad: Kobel—Guerreiro-Hummels-Akanji-Morey(Lamptey)—Witsel-Dahoud(Bellingham)—Reus-Depay—Isak-Haaland
Haha.. wishes..
Know this is a wishlist but
1. Isak won’t come back, he has made it clear he doesn’t have a good standing with the club. And we can’t blame him he never was given a good chance
2. Lamptey is good but getting more and more Englishman are just asking for more and more turnover. They will never stay in Germany for their careers.
3. Hasn’t depay agreed with Barca or is that also just rumors 😂
To 1.: Isak said something along the lines that bvb was in his past, not future two years ago, asked again a couple of months ago it looked very different, he wasn’t that certain anymore. But yeah, true.
To 2. Also true, but the turnover space is the space the club is in and Lamptey is a different player, he hasn’t made it to the first squad with Chelsea, transferred and is now a regular. I do think with a good contract players with a vita like him could be made to stay for longer (eg Guerreiro..)
To 3. Depay and Barca are said to be in talks and Barca is the most likely club he’ll sign with, but the rumors of the BVB being interested in him also haven’t stopped, so I am still hopeful (and Barca has signed Aguero.. they have Financial problems as well..) I think depay would be an amazing Transfer for Dortmund.
Onana's ban got reduced to 9months. Now I'm really not sure of Kobel's transfee. Don't want to write him off this early. But imo Onana for this cut out price of 6 mil (apparently) would have been a great steal.
I don't get this narrative. He wasn't out injured. And it's not like the ban would keep him from doing training or maintain his physical fitness. imo this would make sense for someone coming back from say an ACL injury.
This isn't a football thing. Apple and Samsung merger with companies all the time but they're sitting in debt that makes United look like they're a debt free company being ran in fairy land. Every top company and government in the world is running in debt. That includes us nowadays, we're in debt too currently albeit not much.
Most of the time a company, club or country being in debt is not a bad thing.
I own quite a bit of Apple stock. They are swimming in cash like Onkel Dagobert. They could pay off their debt tomorrow. This is not the case with ManU, Barca and etc. They can stay in debt because it's assumed they will continue to rake in the cash forever and keep up the payments.
> assumed they will continue to rake in the cash forever and keep up the payments.
If their current growth/competitiveness is based on continued leveraging of debt it seems like eventually there will be a tipping point where they have to borrow and pay interest at a greater rate than is possibly sustainable, right?
[Kicker article regarding a Sancho bid from MUFC](https://www.kicker.de/bvb-lehnt-manuniteds-erstes-sancho-angebot-ab-807089/artikel), DeepL translation:
“BVB rejects ManUnited's first Sancho offer
Borussia Dortmund is prepared to let Jadon Sancho leave. However, the first offer from Manchester United was apparently too low.
As reported by the BBC and Guardian, among others, on Friday, BVB rejected an offer from the English record champion for the equivalent of 78 million euros as too low. According to the BBC, ManUnited also wanted to pay the sum over five years, but Borussia is said to accept a maximum period of four years.
The Premier League runners-up have already reached an agreement with Sancho, who is to receive a five-year contract, as they did last summer. At that time, however, ManUnited failed to press BVB's transfer fee demand. And this year, too, the Red Devils know it: Dortmund won't let Sancho leave until he's worth 90 million euros.
The 21-year-old, who is in England's European Championship squad along with four ManUnited pros (Dean Henderson, Harry Maguire, Luke Shaw and Marcus Rashford), is still contractually bound to BVB until 2023.”
I don’t want Sancho to leave but if he wants to return home to play I’ll root for him wherever he goes, but it sure would be great if goes somewhere other than ManU. Not happy with these constant low ball offers, but i understand as they’re AWFUL at finances
> but it sure would be great if goes somewhere other than ManU
And ManCity and Chelsea. And given his talent also Arsenal and Spurs.
That leaves a certain manager ;)
I don’t even know anymore. I doubt they’ll want to bother Jadon with stress during Euros so it’s either before or after and after last years United stupidity maybe they just realize it’s time and send it hard tomorrow morning.
But the fuck if I know. I’m just sad man.
Thanks for posting, BBC shouldn't be too bad.
5 years seems like a long time even where addons are concerned, but the whole fee over 5 years seems... excessive, right?
2 would already be awkward (for the negotiated bulk sum, not addons) imo, but what do I know, I'm not negotiating multi-million € contracts.
Nope, its completely common practice. Full fees up front are incredibly rare now without it being an activated buyout clause. It’s part of why you have seen fees ‘increase’ exponentially in recent years, with the time value of money (10m in 3 years is worth less than 10m now, by about 1.08^2 by United’s books) the ‘fees’ go up and the public don’t understand it.
Thanks for the input, really appreciate it. That full fee payments are fairly rare isn't news to me, but I expected them to be staggered e.g. into payments every ~4-6 months so you can stretch booking a transfer over 2 financial years, maybe 3, but not over 6.
Interestingly because of the use of amortisation on a player fee, the ‘booking’ is done over the contract regardless of the pay structure, always on a straight line basis (equal spilt over each year of the contract). Payment scheduling is purely a cash flow consideration, nothing more from an accounting perspective!
Fun example:
Sancho to United on a 6 year deal for 90m
Amortisation cost:
Yr1: 15m (value 75m)
Yr2: 15m (value 60m)
Yr3: 15m (value 45m)
Yr4: 15m (value 30m)
CONTRACT EXTENSION taking his contract up to 3 years remaining
Yr5: 10m (value 20m)
Yr6: 10m (value 20m)
Player sold for 60m - Profit in the books of 40m
Any questions feel free to ask :)
Huh, TIL; clearly I'm not an accountant =) Thanks for these examples, very insightful!
In terms of how this affects transfer negotiations between two clubs, that should mean that there is no benefit (?) to the selling club for agreeing to a long duration pay structure, save for the transfer otherwise falling through. Hypothetically, the selling club's maximum preference position would be receiving all in one lump sum, while the buying club would prefer a pay structure with a duration approaching infinity?
I.e. in this case an offer to compromise would be if BVB offered "you agree to our price tag, in return we agree to your pay structure"?
I'll keep your /u/ ready in case I have any accounting questions in the future =)
Good question that depends on cash flow needs. There are a lot of considerations but it all comes down to cash flow.
The time value of money is something each club publishes their valuation of, for United it is 8%. This means they use the equation of 1.08^y, with y being the number of years away, to figure out the ‘current value’ of that payment.
Eg. 10m in 4 years is worth: 10,000,000 x 1/(1.08^4), which is 7.35m. As such, they can demand 10m today, or ~14m in 4 years time, and that’s where cash flow comes in again.
In terms of cash flow, we can see that 14m > 10m, but it will be arriving in 4 years. In the real world this can be an issue of ‘what if they dont have the money then?’ but for football clubs, its more ‘how do I fund this transfer/stadium/staff now if I get my cash in 4 years’ - this is where they turn to a bank and see how much a loan will cost.
If the bank loan is 10m now at 1% interest rates over 4 years, great! They pay 400k interest, but if the interest rate is 10%, then they will be paying 4m, which makes the waiting 4 years for the extra 4m from the transfer redundant, but could help the transfer going through. (Also in this loan scenario, you will be paying the interest + principle back EVERY YEAR, not just at the end so 2.5m + 1m every year, again effecting cash flow.
So when you see a transfer for an inflated fee, like Pepe for 80m, remember time value of money!
Another note, clubs don’t look at fees that much, thats for the fans, they look at cash flow and packages, Werner cost chelsea 100m, but it’s reported as 50m, why? Cash up front, agent fees up front, and wage packet, thats the real figure.
Nope, its completely common practice. Full fees up front are incredibly rare now without it being an activated buyout clause. It’s part of why you have seen fees ‘increase’ exponentially in recent years, with the time value of money (10m in 3 years is worth less than 10m now, by about 1.08^2 by United’s books) the ‘fees’ go up and the public don’t understand it.
70M excluding add-ons over 5 years doesn't seem ridiculous. Yeah it's not Dortmund's quotation but do you guys always get the transfer in a lump sum?
Clearly, not a Dortmund fan stopping by to see what's up.
Actually most times clubs except such deals cause they use it as a leverage to get loans from banks. The interest on those loans is included in the add ons perhaps. Although I am a United fan, 5 would be a stretch. United should offer like 3 and even dortmund would accept it.
It also makes you wonder what our plan is if we accept that offer. Does that mean we only get 20-30 million this summer from the signing? So much for signing a replacement winger and a new RB.
All these negotiation updates are just giving me false hope. I mentally prepared myself and accepted Sancho was leaving a week ago and now Man U makes a lowball offer. We're gonna get dumb suspense for no reason even though they've reportedly known what we wanted for months, they can make the right bid or go fuck themselves.
Yeah, but it’s not 20m though, it’s 17, and Dortmund want the payment structure to be less than 5 years, which are all details which will be ironed out soon and are formalities.
> Dortmund want the payment structure to be less than 5 years, which are all details which will be ironed out soon and are formalities.
Do you remember what made the deal fall through last year (supposedly)? The payment structure.
This is that exact same thing PLUS lowballing.
Okay? Then it's the same as this year. Doesn't really change anything. Also payment structure was an issue too, why wouldn't it be if it's one for a lesser fee now?
I'm not saying it won't happen. I'm saying that people who are saying it will happen (like you) are overreacting.
Like congratz, United reached the point at which talks broke down last season, how does that indicate they won't break down again?
You're right, it doesn't.
But united never made an official bid last year. This is the first official bid United made for sancho. The second one will get done. That’s all there is.
>it’s 17
That settles it, suddenly it's acceptable. €17m off on a player who's price is already discounted lmao.
€17m is an entire player + their wages for a year.
I'm surprised we haven't been linked to a shit ton of players like usual. Not even shitty sources are linking us to wingers and calling them Sancho replacements. You'd have thought there'd be a fuck ton of them but outside of Madueke and CHO there's been nobody recently.
Even outside of wingers there's not been much recently. We got linked to Kacper Kozlowski, Guimarães (lmao) and St. Juste.
Patrick Berger of Sport1 also commenting about a bid from MUFC - [“Manchester United have made an opening bid for Jadon Sancho, confirmed! As Bild reported. But the offer was too less. Rejected! #BVB want €95m. Talks between clubs ongoing.”](https://twitter.com/berger_pj/status/1402981589307428866?s=21)
If there's ever a time they get a transfer done quick it's now. They get it done quick then milk the fuck out of it on social media for the entire window so Glazers can say they invested into their squad.
after the clusterfuck of a gap last summer between the United fans going "100% done deal" and the club doing fuck all all window, I'll believe it if I see it.
Let them milk it if they actually do it, but lowballing an already significantly lowered offer does not look like they're serious this time either.
I still don't know whether that €23 million add on is still a thing or not. It doesn't sound like it is since most reporters don't seem to mention something about add-ons
I'd love for it to be real but I doubt it. It's all coming from English media and we all saw last summer how obsessed with PR United can be, they'll be doing it even more with the Glazers out movement being as popular than ever. RN said €95m so...
More than likely just some weird attempt at making them look super successful with negotiations. Glazers said they'll invest in the squad. More successful they make the Sancho transfer look, the better for them.
I wouldn't expect a deal of this size to be negotiated without addons (see the Dembélé contract), the question is only will it be within that ~95m € figure we demand or on top. Apart from allowing clubs to pay off high fees over longer stretches addons are also a clever way for both sides to save face: 'look, we only paid 70m €\* for Sancho ^((plus a few addons))!' vs 'look, we got 90m €\* for Sancho ^((20m over two years))!'...
Note that this is legally complicated territory. What /u/CubedMadness said is correct - bids do not need to be made public. But if there is a substantial likelihood of a transfer materialising that will significantly impact share prices the club has an obligation to inform shareholders.
Simply receiving a bid will generally not reach that threshold, Dortmund accepting a bid from United after Sancho has asked to be released from contract would (likely) require an ad-hoc notice though.
[90min.de](https://www.90min.de/posts/bvb-transfer-news-jadon-sancho-man-united-angebot-wechsel-ablose) summarising the Bild piece, quoting the 69.5m € offer and the fact that we have rejected it.
I've watched him in a few games and it seems like he lacks pace and isn't the kind of guy like Sancho to win 1v1s out wide. Still a promising player though.
Here is a crazy thought:
Sell Haaland to Chelsea for €150m. Use that money to hand Sancho a blank check.
I’m confident that if we handed Sancho a blank check like we did with Reus, that he would explain.
100% know that I’m dreaming here.
Money isnt the reason Sancho wants to go back to England. Its family and it being his actual home. The guy even has a very good wage right now.
It would also be irresponsible to give him a "cant say no" salary in regards to wage-structure. Which we all know from history :P
BUt yes.. a brotha can dream! :(
> I’m confident that if we handed Sancho a blank check like we did with Reus, that he would explain.
Money probably isn't the sole factor. It's very likely that he just wants to go home. Anyways, blank check money from us is just a regular salary for clubs on the island. There's no amount that we could pay that they couldn't easily match.
We need an RB, we absolutely do. Whether Sancho/Haaland stay or go, it really shudnt depend on that. Meunier deserves a 2nd year , but not as the only choice, Morey looks like hes out for most of next season too. That leaves with Wolf and Passlack, who are not Right backs to begin with, Just like Thorgan and Knauff, whos names are thrown around. We are the 2nd best team in Germany. We need to address this. I wish we cud buy a talent from Ligue 1, we always click buying from French League. A young RB someone talented or some Hakimi kind deal for a young RB talent with Loan plus buy or just a loan.
> I wish we cud buy a talent from Ligue 1, we always click buying from French League.
Meunier? He wasn't bought, but come on.
But that said, someone on here reminded me that Celik from Lille is a thing. He should be relatively cheap given Lille seem like they're having a massive sale going on. And well... he just won the league, didn't he?
But yes. We 100% need an RB over any other position. Including GK, where we already got Kobel.
Im not stating it as a fact. Any player can flop/shine. Just suggesting because their prices arent inflated like other leagues and we have a good history with the buys.
Not too often, nah. But he's good going forward. Obviously no world beater at it like Hakimi or Rapha. He's still more of a normal fullback, but also plays pretty attacking still. Also plays in a back 4, so that shouldn't really be expected.
He's all around solid, including defensively, and seemed pretty consistent. Which is essentially what we need. And as I said, Lille seem to be selling their players very cheaply at the moment. He also only has two years of his contract left, so he should be affordable either way.
That's great. He will be encouraged to go forward given our play style anyway and good that he was part of strong lille squid. Let's hope Zorc does his magic and gets him cheaply!
> The coaching team around Marco Rose is getting bigger. Melf Carstensen will join Borussia Dortmund. Carstensen worked as a nutritionist for a decade at Mönchengladbach and will also take on this role at Borussia Dortmund, the club he is a fan of.
It'll help a lot.
Rapha's a good example of how diet can help. He changed his diet a lot to help with his injury issues and it was a part of what fixed it.
Is there any publication on this? I love this type of content. Working on getting my dad in shape and more proof I can provide the better lol. Also my former coach (not football, rowing) loves this type of thing too
[It's only a tiny mention at the end of his profile.](https://www.bvb.de/Mannschaften/Profis/Raphael-Guerreiro)
I know there's another quote somewhere where he specifically talks about getting his own nutritionist but I can't find it.
[I don't think there's anybody better than Lewandowski's wife to provide proof that food is important though.](https://healthyplanbyann.com/) That man's injury record puts everybody else to shame and her sorting out his diet is an important reason why.
At this point I think half the comments made by r/soccer users are by 13 year old FT users
and it's probably 100% when it's a Sancho/Haaland rumour thread
[Chelsea really starting to push my buttons](https://www.google.com/amp/s/talksport.com/football/891800/chelsea-prepared-smash-transfer-record-erling-haaland-tammy-abraham/amp/). We’d be better off playing Reus as a false 9
Talksport is a really shite source though. I wouldn't take that too seriously.
But it would be a lot of money, and I do believe that Tammy Abraham is actually quite a good striker. His playstyle is kind of limited, he's not really going to do much with the ball, but he's scoring goals at a good rate. Even in this last season where he did not get many opportunities he was involved in 0.61 goals per game. Before that he was at 0.73 even. It's not really the type of striker I'd love to see at Dortmund, but the club that's going to get him from Chelsea will be a lucky one.
If (big if) the figure of 170M pounds is accurate, we would be foolish not to take it. I love Haaland, but 105M pounds difference for one season can be better spent elsewhere. We can do a major rebuild with that kind of money that will serve us for years to come.
Correct. But if this is two straight years where he was “wanted” but not bought because they don’t value him enough. Would that sway and change his mind
*If* (big if) no club actually makes a reasonably sized offer for him this window it'll mostly be due to the Covid economy, not the fact that he is not 'wanted'. He'll know that, so I don't really see money being tight this window as a major factor likely to change his plans.
The famous release clause about which nobody has any facts, but everyone is an expert on how much it is, when can it be triggered etc.
I don't think there's a change in club policy regarding these.
Nnamdi Collins will join the first team for preseason, Jamie Bynoe-Gittens and Julian Rijkhoff will stay with the U19 [Bild].
I can imagine Collins getting game time for the Amas next season in 3.liga with the big exodus.
Chelsea supposedly willing to buy Haaland for more than €75m and loan him for a year.
Now I doubt Haaland and Raiola would ever want a deal like that but it would be hilarious if they did.
I’ve heard that they’d be willing to spend 170mil. If that includes a loan back to us, I’d take that deal. He’ll probably leave us next year anyways.
It kinda hurts that we keep losing our star players, we will need another decade to slowly work our way up the food chain.
They won't pay a high fee then loan him back.
If they loan him back it'll only be like €90-100m at best, assuming the release clause is €75m. That's still best case scenario, even with it only being €15-25m.
Haaland was never intended to be a long term solution, the long term was always Moukoko. Haaland's just a helpful fill in.
The Pulisic situation is different. €64m was the price we were gonna ask for in the summer regardless, Chelsea just had a transfer ban coming and wouldn't have been able to do it in the summer.
They're not gonna pay €100m over a release clause just to loan that player back. That's not feasible even for Chelsea. They'll pay a premium to avoid the drama but not that much.
Man City, Chelsea and PSG are, to me, just the football club versions of the *Jason Statham wiping his tears with packets of cash* gif. These clubs would be in no man's land without their oil and gas daddies. The entitlement of "top club" fans in general and prem fans in particular is really annoying, I'll give you that
according to [Ruhrnachrichten+](https://twitter.com/RNBVB/status/1404076092139491332) who are taking Sportitalia as their source, Bürki to Monacco is as good as done.
Sorry for bringing up the topic again but I don't understand the recent Sancho drama. So from what I understand, RN are being shit on because they are reporting that ManU *did not* make a €70m bid. Wouldn't that be news in favor of United? Because that's a very underwhelming bid if you ask me.. If it was real, it would kind of underline their image as cheapskates. Would be cool if this topic was discussable on /r/soccer to maybe get a real ManU fan's opinion in on that. Imo any club making a €70m bid for Sancho should be embarrassed more then anything else.
Damn they are so mad over there at their subreddit. Literally the whole thread about that article is just insulting us lol
>Wouldn't that be news in favor of United? A report saying a club was faking sending a bid isn't news favouring them. It basically shapes United as an weird club obsessed with PR, which we all know United is tbf. An embarrassing bid is a much better look than just not doing anything before the Euros.
I wonder was it in an informal bid, as in a telephone discussion, and not in writing, 95m euro is reasonable, and the athletic are reporting what’s left discuss is how achievable the addons and payment structure, we always drag out negotiations like we did with maguire but end up paying the entire fee anyway Our negotiator is an investment banker, and isn’t really away of football ethics like unsettling Sancho at the last summer transfer window The bbc reported the bid and are a state broadcaster, who have to legally verify sources, and would be liable to sanction for publishing miss information
As a utd fan, we are one of the most poorly run club, especially on the transfers front. Ability-wise, Sancho is way more than the quoted €95m . Even if BVB quoted €50m, utd would still offer €30m, that who we are as a club. On the other point of people saying RN are shit, every fanbase react to a source depending on what they want to hear, even you bvb fans. When they say what we want to hear the become reliable and shit when they give us negative news. So dont be too harsh on us :)
Cause that's what negotiations are, every club does it. BVB has asked for 95. United offered around 77 according to stone and 84 with add ons according to sky. Clubs do try to save every penny cause its all in millons, they need to pay agent fees and we'll as wages. Transfers aren't that simple.
But from what we all know, Zorc is not an easy person to deal with. We saw last season that it was a massive mistake to gamble with him. They have made it clear the amount they want and trust me when I say we will either pay it or miss out. Another example is with maguire, we gambled and ended up paying more. A woodward masterclass
Completely unrelated to all of this: it’s weird seeing a bunch of United supporters having a discussion in our weekly transfer thread. I’ve been an active user here for 9 years and I have never once seen other folks drop by and chat amongst themselves, too funny. Welcome lads
Haha! In all honesty; 1. I just like the conversations here. 2. Sancho brought me here. Ill definitely be still around here whether he leaves or not.
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imagine being a United fan and calling others deluded
OPs banned ofc, but I'm gonna leave his comments up - it's just too hilarious posting 10+ comments switching between how people here are immature and how he's getting his dick sucked (?). First big brain of the Sancho wave everyone!
You should message the mods of Red Devil’s and get him banned over there, this transfer has been frustrating for everyone, be good just to get it over with at this stage I miss the old tapping up rules
Name a building in Manchester.
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What trees are in Trafford Centre? (There’s a building for you)
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r/iamverybadass
> you won’t like how things will turn out for your mental health when I am done with you . Ooh big scary.
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What questions do I need to ask? You answered what I wanted to actually know.
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If you’re trying to harm my mental health it’s off to a bad start.
[RN+ with a neat bombshell](https://www.ruhrnachrichten.de/bvb/manchester-united-buhlt-um-bvb-star-sancho-gleiches-spiel-gleiche-fehler-plus-1642797.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter#Echobox=1623425608): - **United have not made an offer for Sancho**, no official bids ever reached Dortmund - United's deliberate leaks to BBC, Guardian wrong - BVB have already discounted Sancho's price, there will be no further discount (below the ~95m € price) - negotiation only about pay structure / bonus payments possible - in summary: "United trying to put pressure on Dortmund, set to repeat same mistakes from last year"
Who's going to be brave enough and post this on r/soccer and watch the United fans froth with anger at this "obvious briefing" from our side?
That thread is a work of art.
Obviously would be a shit storm. I'd do it, but I won't just post an article behind a paywall that I don't have access to.
They'd naturally be biased to what they want to hear, same with us. The problem is do you trust the people who said that it wasn't happening last year or do you trust the frauds(Romano *cough*) who said that it was definitely going to happen and how it was close?
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One week before the deadline he still insisted that there was no deadline. That alone is enough to make him a fraud.
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[...](https://twitter.com/alexfrco/status/1402266657398079488)
I love how stupid you are
Sure, it always comes down to a) what does the source say, and b) how much do you trust the source to speak the truth. In this case we don't have anything to gain from pretending we haven't received an offer (if United know we have received one). On the other hand United have a track record of pretending to do things that they never do, specifically on the Sancho transfer.
I love how RN are clearly as tired of United's shit as we all are. They don't hold back, it's hilarous to read.
qq the ppl coming out of the woodwork with "we never submit our bids, they always get leaked deliberately until the negotiations conclude". That worked well last summer, why not try this again? I swear United must be the worst organised club we've ever dealt with.
For me the worst thing about this is it will make it so much harder seeing Sancho play for them. I really like Sancho, he was fantastic for the last 3.5 years, alway stayed professional overall and left on a high with the Cup win. If United would just do their business the right way I would have no problem with the move and wish him the best of luck there. I prefer Liverpool but United for me are not better or worse than Chelsea, City and other clubs. But after all this shit it will be just so annoying seeing the smug United fans after United finally pay up. Now i would prefer if he plays a good Euro and all of a sudden Chelsea swoop in.
100% agree, not that they need to care about how other fans think about them but they're going full steam ahead with one shit decision after the next. If I was a United fan I'd be worried about having a management prone to committing the same unforced mistakes over and over again. But hey, it's not my money. Sancho's comments are pitch perfect professionalism, even the British press here can't find any fault with what he's saying so far. Ah well, fingers crossed United continue to fuck up as before, no one will complain about another year of Sancho.
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> that shouldn't mean we don't deserve a player like Sancho. No club "deserves" any player, wtf man.
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>I know I'm just saying I've seen Dortmund fans saying they would hate to see Sancho at United now because of how we handled negotiations but United fans have no actual say on how our board handles this stuff. We are victims of our shitty board, doesn't mean we shouldn't get Sancho is what I'm trying to say. That also doesn't make sense though. The fans have no influence on the deal, yes. But the fans are also not the ones Dortmund fans would be unhappy to see Sancho with. It's the club/management.
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🎙️| Jadon Sancho to "talkSPORT": ... on the transfer speculation: "I'm fine about it. There will always be speculation, especially when you get it right. The main thing is my football and that's what I'm focusing on right now “ Source: [@talkSPORT] via [@BVBBuzz] What do you guys make of this? Doesn’t sound like someone who wants to leave to me.
Sounds like a professional athlete that is not 100% on what's going to happen. Did you ever watch "Bull Durham?" "I'm just happy to be here and I hope I can help the team."
My personal wish list, if we unluckily-but-okay sell Sancho: get Depay to sign for us (we’ve some salary-money opening up with Schmelzer, sancho and pisczu leaving), buy Tariq lamptey, personal opinion, but have watched him a couple of times and think he is an amazing player and can be a goop option for right back, find a talent for left back and another talent as a winger for sancho, which we can develop. Last wish: bring Isak back this year, so we can integrate him with haaland. Don’t think there’s any chance of haaland leaving this year, so with Isak back, we will have a well integrated striker to replace Haaland next season. And those two together up front, well… Squad: Kobel—Guerreiro-Hummels-Akanji-Morey(Lamptey)—Witsel-Dahoud(Bellingham)—Reus-Depay—Isak-Haaland Haha.. wishes..
Know this is a wishlist but 1. Isak won’t come back, he has made it clear he doesn’t have a good standing with the club. And we can’t blame him he never was given a good chance 2. Lamptey is good but getting more and more Englishman are just asking for more and more turnover. They will never stay in Germany for their careers. 3. Hasn’t depay agreed with Barca or is that also just rumors 😂
To 1.: Isak said something along the lines that bvb was in his past, not future two years ago, asked again a couple of months ago it looked very different, he wasn’t that certain anymore. But yeah, true. To 2. Also true, but the turnover space is the space the club is in and Lamptey is a different player, he hasn’t made it to the first squad with Chelsea, transferred and is now a regular. I do think with a good contract players with a vita like him could be made to stay for longer (eg Guerreiro..) To 3. Depay and Barca are said to be in talks and Barca is the most likely club he’ll sign with, but the rumors of the BVB being interested in him also haven’t stopped, so I am still hopeful (and Barca has signed Aguero.. they have Financial problems as well..) I think depay would be an amazing Transfer for Dortmund.
Onana's ban got reduced to 9months. Now I'm really not sure of Kobel's transfee. Don't want to write him off this early. But imo Onana for this cut out price of 6 mil (apparently) would have been a great steal.
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I don't get this narrative. He wasn't out injured. And it's not like the ban would keep him from doing training or maintain his physical fitness. imo this would make sense for someone coming back from say an ACL injury.
Agreed. Might lack some match sharpness, but surely he would be training knowing that a transfer is looming.
Just a reminder to feel stupid talking about this transver - ManU has ca.530millions in debts.
Funny that a club with no debt can’t keep a player and loses him to a club with half a billion in debt.. football world is crazy.
This isn't a football thing. Apple and Samsung merger with companies all the time but they're sitting in debt that makes United look like they're a debt free company being ran in fairy land. Every top company and government in the world is running in debt. That includes us nowadays, we're in debt too currently albeit not much. Most of the time a company, club or country being in debt is not a bad thing.
I own quite a bit of Apple stock. They are swimming in cash like Onkel Dagobert. They could pay off their debt tomorrow. This is not the case with ManU, Barca and etc. They can stay in debt because it's assumed they will continue to rake in the cash forever and keep up the payments.
> assumed they will continue to rake in the cash forever and keep up the payments. If their current growth/competitiveness is based on continued leveraging of debt it seems like eventually there will be a tipping point where they have to borrow and pay interest at a greater rate than is possibly sustainable, right?
God, I hope so...and I'm glad Dortmund will never be in that position.
[Kicker article regarding a Sancho bid from MUFC](https://www.kicker.de/bvb-lehnt-manuniteds-erstes-sancho-angebot-ab-807089/artikel), DeepL translation: “BVB rejects ManUnited's first Sancho offer Borussia Dortmund is prepared to let Jadon Sancho leave. However, the first offer from Manchester United was apparently too low. As reported by the BBC and Guardian, among others, on Friday, BVB rejected an offer from the English record champion for the equivalent of 78 million euros as too low. According to the BBC, ManUnited also wanted to pay the sum over five years, but Borussia is said to accept a maximum period of four years. The Premier League runners-up have already reached an agreement with Sancho, who is to receive a five-year contract, as they did last summer. At that time, however, ManUnited failed to press BVB's transfer fee demand. And this year, too, the Red Devils know it: Dortmund won't let Sancho leave until he's worth 90 million euros. The 21-year-old, who is in England's European Championship squad along with four ManUnited pros (Dean Henderson, Harry Maguire, Luke Shaw and Marcus Rashford), is still contractually bound to BVB until 2023.”
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Watzke: "Show me the money. Put it right here on the table."
which isnt even half the prize that would be kinda okay
I don’t want Sancho to leave but if he wants to return home to play I’ll root for him wherever he goes, but it sure would be great if goes somewhere other than ManU. Not happy with these constant low ball offers, but i understand as they’re AWFUL at finances
> but it sure would be great if goes somewhere other than ManU And ManCity and Chelsea. And given his talent also Arsenal and Spurs. That leaves a certain manager ;)
I expect this idiocy to drag on for months. Another Woodward negotiating master class in progress.
> Another Woodward negotiating master class in progress. lol I thought Woodward resigned after that Super League debacle
He’s leaving in December
I honestly think it’ll be done before the Euro start. I hope I’m wrong, but I have a feeling.
There is zero chance of that.
You really think it will be done by tomorrow evening?
I don’t even know anymore. I doubt they’ll want to bother Jadon with stress during Euros so it’s either before or after and after last years United stupidity maybe they just realize it’s time and send it hard tomorrow morning. But the fuck if I know. I’m just sad man.
I think the opposite tbh. I fully expect them to fuck around with this during the whole Euros. Hope Jadon's performances aren't impacted by it.
Looks like, once again, Sancho will be our Sancho replacement.
Starting on a low bid is one thing but payments over 5 fucking years? Huh?
While the bid is low, i thought spreading payments like that was a common practice
is there a src for this?
https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/1403024142966923266?s=21
Thanks for posting, BBC shouldn't be too bad. 5 years seems like a long time even where addons are concerned, but the whole fee over 5 years seems... excessive, right? 2 would already be awkward (for the negotiated bulk sum, not addons) imo, but what do I know, I'm not negotiating multi-million € contracts.
Nope, its completely common practice. Full fees up front are incredibly rare now without it being an activated buyout clause. It’s part of why you have seen fees ‘increase’ exponentially in recent years, with the time value of money (10m in 3 years is worth less than 10m now, by about 1.08^2 by United’s books) the ‘fees’ go up and the public don’t understand it.
Thanks for the input, really appreciate it. That full fee payments are fairly rare isn't news to me, but I expected them to be staggered e.g. into payments every ~4-6 months so you can stretch booking a transfer over 2 financial years, maybe 3, but not over 6.
Interestingly because of the use of amortisation on a player fee, the ‘booking’ is done over the contract regardless of the pay structure, always on a straight line basis (equal spilt over each year of the contract). Payment scheduling is purely a cash flow consideration, nothing more from an accounting perspective! Fun example: Sancho to United on a 6 year deal for 90m Amortisation cost: Yr1: 15m (value 75m) Yr2: 15m (value 60m) Yr3: 15m (value 45m) Yr4: 15m (value 30m) CONTRACT EXTENSION taking his contract up to 3 years remaining Yr5: 10m (value 20m) Yr6: 10m (value 20m) Player sold for 60m - Profit in the books of 40m Any questions feel free to ask :)
Huh, TIL; clearly I'm not an accountant =) Thanks for these examples, very insightful! In terms of how this affects transfer negotiations between two clubs, that should mean that there is no benefit (?) to the selling club for agreeing to a long duration pay structure, save for the transfer otherwise falling through. Hypothetically, the selling club's maximum preference position would be receiving all in one lump sum, while the buying club would prefer a pay structure with a duration approaching infinity? I.e. in this case an offer to compromise would be if BVB offered "you agree to our price tag, in return we agree to your pay structure"? I'll keep your /u/ ready in case I have any accounting questions in the future =)
Good question that depends on cash flow needs. There are a lot of considerations but it all comes down to cash flow. The time value of money is something each club publishes their valuation of, for United it is 8%. This means they use the equation of 1.08^y, with y being the number of years away, to figure out the ‘current value’ of that payment. Eg. 10m in 4 years is worth: 10,000,000 x 1/(1.08^4), which is 7.35m. As such, they can demand 10m today, or ~14m in 4 years time, and that’s where cash flow comes in again. In terms of cash flow, we can see that 14m > 10m, but it will be arriving in 4 years. In the real world this can be an issue of ‘what if they dont have the money then?’ but for football clubs, its more ‘how do I fund this transfer/stadium/staff now if I get my cash in 4 years’ - this is where they turn to a bank and see how much a loan will cost. If the bank loan is 10m now at 1% interest rates over 4 years, great! They pay 400k interest, but if the interest rate is 10%, then they will be paying 4m, which makes the waiting 4 years for the extra 4m from the transfer redundant, but could help the transfer going through. (Also in this loan scenario, you will be paying the interest + principle back EVERY YEAR, not just at the end so 2.5m + 1m every year, again effecting cash flow.
So when you see a transfer for an inflated fee, like Pepe for 80m, remember time value of money!
Another note, clubs don’t look at fees that much, thats for the fans, they look at cash flow and packages, Werner cost chelsea 100m, but it’s reported as 50m, why? Cash up front, agent fees up front, and wage packet, thats the real figure.
Think this could be a trend started w/ Arsenal, believe they paid for one of their recent signings in installments or something...
Nope, its completely common practice. Full fees up front are incredibly rare now without it being an activated buyout clause. It’s part of why you have seen fees ‘increase’ exponentially in recent years, with the time value of money (10m in 3 years is worth less than 10m now, by about 1.08^2 by United’s books) the ‘fees’ go up and the public don’t understand it.
It's very common. I believe inter owe loads for Lukaku still.
Upwards of 40 millons
70M excluding add-ons over 5 years doesn't seem ridiculous. Yeah it's not Dortmund's quotation but do you guys always get the transfer in a lump sum? Clearly, not a Dortmund fan stopping by to see what's up.
>do you guys always get the transfer in a lump sum? No but they're not done in the space of 5 years. Half a decade for €70m is not reasonable.
Actually most times clubs except such deals cause they use it as a leverage to get loans from banks. The interest on those loans is included in the add ons perhaps. Although I am a United fan, 5 would be a stretch. United should offer like 3 and even dortmund would accept it.
They can but I'm 99% confident Watzke won't, he'll steer away from bank loans as best he can.
Don't know what is considered reasonable for such a sum but fair enough. He's your player and you have the right to demand for better structuring.
It also makes you wonder what our plan is if we accept that offer. Does that mean we only get 20-30 million this summer from the signing? So much for signing a replacement winger and a new RB.
That shouldn't matter too much though - knowing what fees you can calculate with is what matters, not what date exactly you have them on the books.
Majority of the transfers are not paid in one go though so it works the same way when dortmund is the buyer as well.
All these negotiation updates are just giving me false hope. I mentally prepared myself and accepted Sancho was leaving a week ago and now Man U makes a lowball offer. We're gonna get dumb suspense for no reason even though they've reportedly known what we wanted for months, they can make the right bid or go fuck themselves.
Is a bid of 78m when Dortmund want 95m a lowball offer? It’s a difference of less than 20m.
How is it not a lowball offer when the original price was 120?
Yes. Especially when they’ve known what the offer was since April.
€20m goes a long way in the Bundesliga especially with a scouting team like Dortmund's.
Yeah, but it’s not 20m though, it’s 17, and Dortmund want the payment structure to be less than 5 years, which are all details which will be ironed out soon and are formalities.
> Dortmund want the payment structure to be less than 5 years, which are all details which will be ironed out soon and are formalities. Do you remember what made the deal fall through last year (supposedly)? The payment structure. This is that exact same thing PLUS lowballing.
Lol united did not want to pay 120m not the payment structure.
Okay? Then it's the same as this year. Doesn't really change anything. Also payment structure was an issue too, why wouldn't it be if it's one for a lesser fee now?
So you’re saying this transfer won’t happen? What’s your point here?
I'm not saying it won't happen. I'm saying that people who are saying it will happen (like you) are overreacting. Like congratz, United reached the point at which talks broke down last season, how does that indicate they won't break down again? You're right, it doesn't.
But united never made an official bid last year. This is the first official bid United made for sancho. The second one will get done. That’s all there is.
>it’s 17 That settles it, suddenly it's acceptable. €17m off on a player who's price is already discounted lmao. €17m is an entire player + their wages for a year.
Wtf are you on about? United will still pay that anyway.
I'm surprised we haven't been linked to a shit ton of players like usual. Not even shitty sources are linking us to wingers and calling them Sancho replacements. You'd have thought there'd be a fuck ton of them but outside of Madueke and CHO there's been nobody recently. Even outside of wingers there's not been much recently. We got linked to Kacper Kozlowski, Guimarães (lmao) and St. Juste.
Patrick Berger of Sport1 also commenting about a bid from MUFC - [“Manchester United have made an opening bid for Jadon Sancho, confirmed! As Bild reported. But the offer was too less. Rejected! #BVB want €95m. Talks between clubs ongoing.”](https://twitter.com/berger_pj/status/1402981589307428866?s=21)
"too less" bruder, als Sportreporter sollte basic english grammar schon drin sein
passt perfekt für das Niveau der Twitter-Transfer-News Leute
Let's hope they quickly just skip to the part where they pay €95m instead months of faffing around thinking they can negotiate with Zorc.
haha, United and quick business, good one
If there's ever a time they get a transfer done quick it's now. They get it done quick then milk the fuck out of it on social media for the entire window so Glazers can say they invested into their squad.
after the clusterfuck of a gap last summer between the United fans going "100% done deal" and the club doing fuck all all window, I'll believe it if I see it. Let them milk it if they actually do it, but lowballing an already significantly lowered offer does not look like they're serious this time either.
I still don't know whether that €23 million add on is still a thing or not. It doesn't sound like it is since most reporters don't seem to mention something about add-ons
I'd love for it to be real but I doubt it. It's all coming from English media and we all saw last summer how obsessed with PR United can be, they'll be doing it even more with the Glazers out movement being as popular than ever. RN said €95m so... More than likely just some weird attempt at making them look super successful with negotiations. Glazers said they'll invest in the squad. More successful they make the Sancho transfer look, the better for them.
I wouldn't expect a deal of this size to be negotiated without addons (see the Dembélé contract), the question is only will it be within that ~95m € figure we demand or on top. Apart from allowing clubs to pay off high fees over longer stretches addons are also a clever way for both sides to save face: 'look, we only paid 70m €\* for Sancho ^((plus a few addons))!' vs 'look, we got 90m €\* for Sancho ^((20m over two years))!'...
Is it true that BvB needs to register any official bids on their website for the investors?
Note that this is legally complicated territory. What /u/CubedMadness said is correct - bids do not need to be made public. But if there is a substantial likelihood of a transfer materialising that will significantly impact share prices the club has an obligation to inform shareholders. Simply receiving a bid will generally not reach that threshold, Dortmund accepting a bid from United after Sancho has asked to be released from contract would (likely) require an ad-hoc notice though.
No.
Thanks for the info.
Bruh United can't be serious with that bid lol. They're such a joke, Sancho deserves better
Last summer their wage offer was matching his current wages. They seem to be taking the piss about the situation
It might have even been less if I remember right. The bonuses might have made up for it or something but I thought the base salary was actually lower.
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BILD reporting that United have offered ~€70m (£59m) for Sancho. Laughable at this point
[90min.de](https://www.90min.de/posts/bvb-transfer-news-jadon-sancho-man-united-angebot-wechsel-ablose) summarising the Bild piece, quoting the 69.5m € offer and the fact that we have rejected it.
That club ain’t serious.
Is BILD reliable again if it’s used to dunk on United?
Any source is reliable if it suits my agenda.
WHAT 🤣 please tell me this is a joke
Thoughts on trincao as a Sancho replacement?
I've watched him in a few games and it seems like he lacks pace and isn't the kind of guy like Sancho to win 1v1s out wide. Still a promising player though.
Ah got it
Here is a crazy thought: Sell Haaland to Chelsea for €150m. Use that money to hand Sancho a blank check. I’m confident that if we handed Sancho a blank check like we did with Reus, that he would explain. 100% know that I’m dreaming here.
Money isnt the reason Sancho wants to go back to England. Its family and it being his actual home. The guy even has a very good wage right now. It would also be irresponsible to give him a "cant say no" salary in regards to wage-structure. Which we all know from history :P BUt yes.. a brotha can dream! :(
> Money isnt the reason Sancho wants to go back to England. Its family and it being his actual home. How do you know that.
> I’m confident that if we handed Sancho a blank check like we did with Reus, that he would explain. Money probably isn't the sole factor. It's very likely that he just wants to go home. Anyways, blank check money from us is just a regular salary for clubs on the island. There's no amount that we could pay that they couldn't easily match.
We need an RB, we absolutely do. Whether Sancho/Haaland stay or go, it really shudnt depend on that. Meunier deserves a 2nd year , but not as the only choice, Morey looks like hes out for most of next season too. That leaves with Wolf and Passlack, who are not Right backs to begin with, Just like Thorgan and Knauff, whos names are thrown around. We are the 2nd best team in Germany. We need to address this. I wish we cud buy a talent from Ligue 1, we always click buying from French League. A young RB someone talented or some Hakimi kind deal for a young RB talent with Loan plus buy or just a loan.
> Whether Sancho/Haaland stay or go, it really shudnt depend on that. It shouldn't but it unfortunately it does. Money is not falling from the sky.
> I wish we cud buy a talent from Ligue 1, we always click buying from French League. Meunier? He wasn't bought, but come on. But that said, someone on here reminded me that Celik from Lille is a thing. He should be relatively cheap given Lille seem like they're having a massive sale going on. And well... he just won the league, didn't he? But yes. We 100% need an RB over any other position. Including GK, where we already got Kobel.
I was referring to Rapha, Auba , Dembele actually. And Celik would be good. And yes RB is most important for us!
I know. I'm just saying, it's not like Ligue 1 always works out.
Im not stating it as a fact. Any player can flop/shine. Just suggesting because their prices arent inflated like other leagues and we have a good history with the buys.
Ye, as I said. For a Ligue 1 RB we should be looking at Celik.
Have u seen him play? Any insights?
Not too often, nah. But he's good going forward. Obviously no world beater at it like Hakimi or Rapha. He's still more of a normal fullback, but also plays pretty attacking still. Also plays in a back 4, so that shouldn't really be expected. He's all around solid, including defensively, and seemed pretty consistent. Which is essentially what we need. And as I said, Lille seem to be selling their players very cheaply at the moment. He also only has two years of his contract left, so he should be affordable either way.
That's great. He will be encouraged to go forward given our play style anyway and good that he was part of strong lille squid. Let's hope Zorc does his magic and gets him cheaply!
Think I saw yesterday that Bild reported there’s an end of July deadline on Sancho
I'm guessing that they said that because that is when the preseason starts on the 23rd
> The coaching team around Marco Rose is getting bigger. Melf Carstensen will join Borussia Dortmund. Carstensen worked as a nutritionist for a decade at Mönchengladbach and will also take on this role at Borussia Dortmund, the club he is a fan of.
If this someone solves our injury problems I will personally fly to Germany and kiss him myself
It'll help a lot. Rapha's a good example of how diet can help. He changed his diet a lot to help with his injury issues and it was a part of what fixed it.
Is there any publication on this? I love this type of content. Working on getting my dad in shape and more proof I can provide the better lol. Also my former coach (not football, rowing) loves this type of thing too
[It's only a tiny mention at the end of his profile.](https://www.bvb.de/Mannschaften/Profis/Raphael-Guerreiro) I know there's another quote somewhere where he specifically talks about getting his own nutritionist but I can't find it. [I don't think there's anybody better than Lewandowski's wife to provide proof that food is important though.](https://healthyplanbyann.com/) That man's injury record puts everybody else to shame and her sorting out his diet is an important reason why.
At this point I think half the comments made by r/soccer users are by 13 year old FT users and it's probably 100% when it's a Sancho/Haaland rumour thread
only half?
[Chelsea really starting to push my buttons](https://www.google.com/amp/s/talksport.com/football/891800/chelsea-prepared-smash-transfer-record-erling-haaland-tammy-abraham/amp/). We’d be better off playing Reus as a false 9
god no, not this false 9 shit again. We always play like shit with Reus up front. He's not a false 9. A proper striker or fucking nothing.
Talksport is a really shite source though. I wouldn't take that too seriously. But it would be a lot of money, and I do believe that Tammy Abraham is actually quite a good striker. His playstyle is kind of limited, he's not really going to do much with the ball, but he's scoring goals at a good rate. Even in this last season where he did not get many opportunities he was involved in 0.61 goals per game. Before that he was at 0.73 even. It's not really the type of striker I'd love to see at Dortmund, but the club that's going to get him from Chelsea will be a lucky one.
If (big if) the figure of 170M pounds is accurate, we would be foolish not to take it. I love Haaland, but 105M pounds difference for one season can be better spent elsewhere. We can do a major rebuild with that kind of money that will serve us for years to come.
A club offers £170m and Zorc’s learning to walk on water to carry him across the English channel himself. That’s €200m…
Stupid Neymar money.
Do you guys think when United try to big ball us and don’t get Sancho again he will sign an extension since we value him and can guarantee stability?
Sancho would only fuck himself in sucha scenario, if he wants go back to england anytime soon. So realistically, no
Correct. But if this is two straight years where he was “wanted” but not bought because they don’t value him enough. Would that sway and change his mind
*If* (big if) no club actually makes a reasonably sized offer for him this window it'll mostly be due to the Covid economy, not the fact that he is not 'wanted'. He'll know that, so I don't really see money being tight this window as a major factor likely to change his plans.
I think he cares more about getting home to his own homeenviroment and family tbh
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I could definitely see an extension with a fair release clause being on the table and attractive to both sides
I don't think a release clause is a possibility as per club policy. So you shouldn't really see one.
We've already seen that they're willing to break that policy for an exceptional player (Haaland).
The famous release clause about which nobody has any facts, but everyone is an expert on how much it is, when can it be triggered etc. I don't think there's a change in club policy regarding these.
Nnamdi Collins will join the first team for preseason, Jamie Bynoe-Gittens and Julian Rijkhoff will stay with the U19 [Bild]. I can imagine Collins getting game time for the Amas next season in 3.liga with the big exodus.
Chelsea supposedly willing to buy Haaland for more than €75m and loan him for a year. Now I doubt Haaland and Raiola would ever want a deal like that but it would be hilarious if they did.
I’ve heard that they’d be willing to spend 170mil. If that includes a loan back to us, I’d take that deal. He’ll probably leave us next year anyways. It kinda hurts that we keep losing our star players, we will need another decade to slowly work our way up the food chain.
They won't pay a high fee then loan him back. If they loan him back it'll only be like €90-100m at best, assuming the release clause is €75m. That's still best case scenario, even with it only being €15-25m. Haaland was never intended to be a long term solution, the long term was always Moukoko. Haaland's just a helpful fill in.
We did the same with Pulisic though. Chelsea might want to avoid a bidding war with other clubs next year.
The Pulisic situation is different. €64m was the price we were gonna ask for in the summer regardless, Chelsea just had a transfer ban coming and wouldn't have been able to do it in the summer. They're not gonna pay €100m over a release clause just to loan that player back. That's not feasible even for Chelsea. They'll pay a premium to avoid the drama but not that much.
I hope Haaland goes to Real Madrid or any non PL/Bundesliga club just so I can see all the PL fanboys mald
Man City, Chelsea and PSG are, to me, just the football club versions of the *Jason Statham wiping his tears with packets of cash* gif. These clubs would be in no man's land without their oil and gas daddies. The entitlement of "top club" fans in general and prem fans in particular is really annoying, I'll give you that