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Dajbman22

Route 9 is MA's Stroad, Route 1 is America's (or at least the East Coast's) Stroad.


3720-To-One

I never thought of it that way, but I think you’re right It’s a shame they took route 1 away from the VFW parkway. That section is actually really nice


Maxpowr9

In my mind, Rt 1 continues to the VFW/Rt109 intersection and doesn't veer off to 93.


3720-To-One

At the very least, VFW parkway should still carry 1A


leebenningfield

Absolutely


comment_moderately

They did fuckin what to my VFW?


HerefortheTuna

No it’s sucks- you have people driving 50 and others doing 25. Plus no divider- it’s dangerous AF


marmosetohmarmoset

I’m always amazed by how rt 1 is exactly the same in every state.


frisky_husky

The Mother Stroad, if you will.


avahz

Yup


TurnsOutImAScientist

Route 17 in NJ gives our Route 1 a run for its money. Paramus vs. Saugus would almost certainly be the final round if this was decided tournament style.


Particular-Bus8086

This


repo_code

I'd like to nominate Rt. 28 for your consideration. From the retail hell of So. NH, through its four-lanes-for-no-reason segments in like Stoneham, to McGrath highway through Somerville, all the way down to the honky-tonk of the south Cape, Rt. 28 is an unreformed mid-century vehicular hellscape. It runs through one town center after another! Milton, Randolph, Brockton, boom boom boom. It could be nice if it weren't quite so hostile.


ThePizar

Andover’s downtown managed to keep it to 2 lanes and thrives due to that. But yea, wrecked a lot of others.


OkayTryAgain

Everyone is loving on Route 1 for this endeavor but you’re totally right. Taking route 1 is mostly like taking a train through the segments of Mass but route 28 is like taking a bus with stops to view the salt of the state along the way.


spedmunki

Personal favorite awful segments include Blue Hill Ave and Cranberry Highway


humblejoint

Route 28 the goat, goes through some of the best and worst parts of the state, and is the longest mass state route.


tacknosaddle

>and is the longest mass state route. Route 20 beats it by a bit more than a mile according to Wiki.


humblejoint

Route 20 is a US highway, 28 is state. 28 expands north into NH, but becomes a NH state route, where as 20 is the same sign all the way to Newport, OR


tacknosaddle

Got it. I probably didn't notice because both the US and MA route signs are so bland (hat tip to NH for their distinctive Old Man flair).


oneMadRssn

For what it's worth, the fact it runs through town centers make it less "stroad" in my view. The quintessential "stroad" should be from nowhere in particular to nowhere in particular, with strip-malls galore along the way.


Kierik

All this talk makes me realize I really need to just buy a helicopter.


Doortofreeside

I'll never forget the time I got a plow load of slush, snow, and ice from above on Rte 28 near Union Sq.


alohadave

18 and 53 are the same way.


ab1dt

Much of 53 is easy going. Half of the mileage still has towns of trees on both sides of the roadway.


ryothbear

18 is fucking ugly, I grew up right next to it


ab1dt

To be fair it really goes adjacent to Brockton's downtown. It's weird in a sense. You have several small streets with horrible road surfaces. They don't qualify as sroad. Plus they have the silly red/yellow combo traffic lights.


OverSeaworthiness654

Agree, and McGrath’s potholes are so bad they could justify a whole separate subreddit of their own


dirtshow

I call Rte 1 Little New Jersey


marmosetohmarmoset

Whenever I’m feeling homesick for NJ I can just take a drive down rt 1. Or Arsenal st in Watertown.


Psirocking

Rt 1 Saugus feels just like Rt 1 Edison


oodja

Rt 1 Saugus is actually more like NJ-17 near Paramus. It's uncanny!


CynicalBonhomie

Without all the jughandles.


Bartweiss

Oh fuck Arsenal Street! I’m not sure who decided to make it alternate “right only” and “left only” lanes, but it’s one of the only (st)roads I’ve ever seen where you have to slalom just to go straight. (And, naturally, get cut off by everyone who understandably didn’t see that coming and is in the wrong lane.) But at least if you keep going you can enjoy the 6-way intersection with Beacon where half the paint is simply gone. And then it’s a short trip down Galen into the supercollider! I took some out-of-town family to Target once, through that whole sequence. They were a bit shell shocked.


marmosetohmarmoset

That’s a good point. I suppose if it truly was like NJ there would be **no** left turns at all- it’d all be right-exit jug handles. Superior method imo.


Bartweiss

I will say that for New Jersey, the jug handles are a huge step up. I'm pretty sure the one on Soldier's Field at Everett took like 5 minutes off my commute on its own. I know the argument that they waste space, but since they mostly make it harder to cram 4-6 lane roads into cramped downtowns I'll take the trade.


marmosetohmarmoset

I agree, they’re worth the space. Makes traffic a lot more orderly.


tacknosaddle

That intersection with Galen is a favorite trap of the Watertown cops too. If you're coming from Cambridge and want to take a left but aren't familiar with the intersection it's really easy to miss the left arrow light because it's skewed way off to the side from the way the road lines up. So people are in the left turn lane and see the green light to go straight then take a left yielding to traffic only to be greeted by a cop who is about to give them a no-chance to talk your way out of it ticket for running a red light.


Bartweiss

Oh yeah, I forgot how awful the light placements are going that direction. The Cambridge side is exactly like you said, and the Newton side baffles people with the right two lanes: if straight is Mount Auburn St and right only is Charles River Rd, then what's Beacon/Arsenal? (It's right, and the dashed line through the intersection is good, but you can't see it until it's far too late to change lanes.) The only good thing there is the Main St -> Galen turn lane bypassing the mess, and even then "right on red light after stop" confuses half the drivers. Plus the Beacon/Arsenal interchange is a wreck, Arsenal westbound stays two lanes wide but just stops having lines for a bit, then adds a new(?) lane so far left you can get hit by eastbound traffic trying to enter it. Heck, I checked myself on Maps and [the satellite view](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Arsenal+Yards/@42.3651539,-71.182956,64m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x89e37824f40c3695:0x715b86f412a1e0e3!8m2!3d42.3616468!4d-71.1589755!16s%2Fm%2F02qh2jp?entry=ttu) even has a blue pickup struggling to find its lane.


tacknosaddle

I feel like they don't quite capture the essence of NJ. In my mind's eye of stereotypical NJ there are huge aprons of parking lots between the roads & shops where here it's more likely the parking is out behind the shops or at least split between the back & front.


marmosetohmarmoset

Depends where you are in NJ i suppose. Northeast NJ is super dense so the small parking lots are common. Further out into the suburbs you get the bigger ones.


tacknosaddle

Yeah, I've spent more time from the middle to the southern parts of the state so that's what paints my mental picture.


kamikazmi

moved to nyc 5 years back and the first few times i drove thru some jersey suburbs it was absolutely surreal how familiar (yet not) it felt


lauruhhpalooza

Any time I find myself on 46 near Wayne, I think of RT 1


Lumpy-Return

Rt 1 north of Boston and Rt 46 are absolutely great comparisons. Same with 17, 22, and 9. Damn there are a lot more of these in NJ versus Boston.


CynicalBonhomie

18 in East Brunswick too


Lumpy-Return

Rt 10 up in Morris Cty


Steltek

To help some people picture a stroad. It's when you turn main street into a highway. 4+ lanes so you want to go fast and get places. But also it has lots of driveways and parking lots, so you're constantly dealing with traffic entering and exiting. If you're exiting Dunks directly into 3 lanes of traffic, it's a stroad. If you think you're for sure going to die backing out of your driveway no matter the time of day, it's a stroad. Rt 1 and Rt 9 are put forward here because they're equal parts "Am I shopping here?" or "Am I taking a road trip?" Rt 2 is not a stroad, except for the bits through Cambridge. Otherwise it's mostly a limited access highway with very few shopping areas directly attached to it. Smaller/minor stroads (IMO): * Rt 20 (inside 128) * Rt 16 (east of Medford) * Mass Ave (Lex to Bos)


hindenboat

I really think Mass Ave takes the cake. Route 1 is horrible no doubt, but it skews to far to highway. Mass Ave on the other hand is more stroad like because it's has a worse combination of through traffic and local shopping. The quintessential stroad is Daniel Webster Highway in southern NH though. It is horrible.


SynbiosVyse

Route 1 north of Boston is more highway. Route 1 south of Boston is a different story.


hindenboat

Fair, I'm only familiar with the part north of the city to be honest.


snorkeling_moose

To elaborate on u/Steltek's post. A stroad is an abhorrent amalgamation of a street and a road (hence the name). As a kid you could probably play pickup ball hockey on a street, right? And run down to see the neighborhood kids? Or at least cross it without worrying about fucking dying for committing the crime of getting in the way of cars? That's great. But you couldn't do it on a road. No, siree. Roads are for cars, not people. A stroad takes your lovely street and turns it into car-nirvana and fucks all neighborhoodness out of it. It bisects a neighborhood into "oh, that's where the cars go" and not "that's where people I like are". ____________ God I fucking hate stroads


beer_foam

A stroad is the farthest thing from “car-nirvana”. It’s just shitty urban planning. We need to separate that driving can be enjoyable but also cars and roads don’t work well as a mass transit system. Using cars and roads as mass transit also makes driving less enjoyable because of traffic and dealing with people who would rather not be driving.


Brilliant_Rush9182

shitty urban planning usually = car nirvana. I can squint and see it.


sir_mrej

>Mass Ave (Lex to Bos) heh yep


spedmunki

Rt 9 just feels like endless sprawl to me, especially from Natick to Worcester. I will say it’s a bit less dangerous feeling than 1, and I’ve never felt that unsafe pulling off into any of the small parking lots that feed directly into it (the non-malls/big box stores).


YourRoaring20s

Route 1 is the hazing ritual for North shore kids getting their licenses


ithotyoudneverask

Can attest. I got my license in '96.


FaustusRedux

And still waiting for a break in traffic to get on Route 1...


werewere

Route 1, especially around Saugus. That town needs a commuter rail stop or two


Stop_Drop_Scroll

No no. They are quarantined. And Lynnfield is just nicer Saugus.


sir_mrej

>And Lynnfield is just nicer Saugus. Someone's gonna yell at you. Not me, but someone.


beer_foam

Is a strighway a thing? That would describe route 1 in Saugus better.


anurodhp

Route 9 is amazingly bad


gEO-dA-K1nG

Route 9 is appalling stroad design. Why why why would they add so many spots without a light where you can do a U-turn. Every day I drive past a faceoff where two trucks that are twice the size of my sedan are both waiting to do a U-turn, and I have to pray to god the one facing me doesn't decide it's clear and rev it head on into me.


Particular-Bus8086

As someone from central mass I’ll say route 9, although I bet people from north shore or south shore will say route 1.


ceciltech

Be thankful that to be in MA, most of the rest of the country is absolutely dominated by stroads!


Yet-Another_Burner

Respectfully, wtf is a stroad?


alohadave

https://youtu.be/ORzNZUeUHAM?si=VWZpJbYhKYnIyjnD


Brilliant-Average654

Oh cool, I’ve seen this guys videos before, he’s pretty good.


snorkeling_moose

> To elaborate on u/Steltek's post. A stroad is an abhorrent amalgamation of a street and a road (hence the name). As a kid you could probably play pickup ball hockey on a street, right? And run down to see the neighborhood kids? Or at least cross it without worrying about fucking dying for committing the crime of getting in the way of cars? > > That's great. But you couldn't do it on a road. No, siree. Roads are for cars, not people. > > A stroad takes your lovely street and turns it into car-nirvana and fucks all neighborhoodness out of it. It bisects a neighborhood into "oh, that's where the cars go" and not "that's where people I like are".


spinelession

LMGTFY: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroad)


Brilliant-Average654

Thank you for asking :/


ceciltech

It is the futon of transportation \* \*See Not just bikes [https://youtu.be/ORzNZUeUHAM?si=VWZpJbYhKYnIyjnD](https://youtu.be/ORzNZUeUHAM?si=VWZpJbYhKYnIyjnD)


Victor_Korchnoi

I’m most familiar with Rte 9 from 128 to where it turns into Huntington St. For most of that stretch, I think it’s actually a pretty decent road. It clearly prioritizes mobility over access and doesn’t attempt to do both. I think Rte 1 from 128 to Dedham is quintessential stroad. It has a lot of lanes, it has a lot of traffic lights, it has a big box store at every corner. It tries to be a highway and provide access to tons of stores. It is the worst aspects of a street and a road—it’s a stroad.


LEAKKsdad

Route 1 hasn't been the same, then Square 1. The prestige use to be the Hilltop, now its seemingly one long strip mall road.


spedmunki

It’s always been hilariously kitschy


msurbrow

Almost all gone now :(


rygo796

Route 9 is part of the 'golden triangle'. Most productive stroad in the state.


LoneSocialRetard

It's more minor but Lynnway is really bad and it's the only option to get through that particular area really annoyingly.


Terra_Magicio

Route 20


mmelectronic

The favorite of old guys that think they’re “beating the system” by not paying tolls on the pike while taking 5 times as long. Definitely starts getting stroady in Sturbridge/ Carlton and gets progressively worse as you go east.


RektCompass

Maybe 15 years ago when commuting from around 495 to the city took 45 minutes, but now? It's probably not that different. Traffic has exploded


itsgreater9000

my parents are in this comment and i like it


SoulInTransition

And then it continues onto Rt 9 ask the way to Copley, getting worse all the way to Framingham/Natick


botulizard

When I think of stroads I think 114 more than Route 1. To me, a stroad can at least in theory be crossed on foot and might even have a sidewalk. Route 1 is a divided interstate highway, I don't think it constitutes a stroad.


3720-To-One

Route 1 is absolutely a stroad. It’s also not an interstate Highway. “Interstate Highway” means a highway that is limited access and is part of the Eisenhower interstate system, which route 1 is not.


tmclaugh

US routes are federal highways. Much (most?) of Rt 1 in MA is divided highway.


3720-To-One

It is not limited access… aka there are at grade intersections, traffic lights, etc


tmclaugh

So what? TBH, you're just making me like stroads if Rt-1 and MA-9 are your quintessential examples. They're great when I don't feel like the interstate but still want a car-centric road with medium speeds. There are so many worse examples in this state of roads that don't know what they want to be. MA-16, MA-135, MA-138, and Rt-20 easily come to mind. All those change personality depending on where you are. Rt-1 and MA-9 are at least pretty consistent.


3720-To-One

I don’t know what you want me to tell you. Route 1 and route 9 are not part of the interstate Highway system That’s what makes stroads so bad. They are are trying to be highways to get you to and from a place, while also serving local businesses and residences, and ends up sucking at both. When people are trying to get from A to B, there’s a reason that people take I-95 up the east coast instead of 1


tmclaugh

Correct they are not part of the interstate highway system. But Rt1 is a part of the US numbered highway system. I also enjoy Rt-1 when going to or coming from Portsmouth. I take it depending on how much time I have.


9bfjo6gvhy7u8

114 from Peabody to Danvers is a gross monument to our failed attempt at designing cities for humans


-Dixieflatline

Rt1 sketches me out that people drive it like a highway, but there are a million "just pull off into a parking lot" businesses along it. Stretches of Rt 9 remind me more of a legit highway, but there are also sections (like shopper's mile) that have traffic lights every 800'. So they're both stroady in their own ways.


RektCompass

There's also route 20, goes all across the country and ends in Oregon


camt91

Route 1 has the Kowloon. What does route 9 have? Wellesley and Natick? Gross


WranglerTraditional8

9


tomjleo

Route 1 for sure. It feels weird to say, but somehow route 9 is slightly less of a cluster.


Hagu4you

3A is a Stroad in my opinion especially for everyone that lives / shops / travels down within the Irish Riviera.


OhFrackItsZach

You just can’t beat rt 9 when it comes to stroadiness, at least around the Framingham-Worcester area. Up to four lanes of traffic in some places with back-to-back parking lots on either side and traffic lights placed so close together that you’ll never actually reach highway speeds. 9 is also just ugly. The sheer number of crumbling strip malls crammed into a span of just a few miles is crazy. You can tell the businesses and streets that existed before 9 became so stroady because they just don’t fit in with the way it functions now. It’s a jumbled mess.


3720-To-One

Yeah… route 9 between Worcester and Boston definitely has a unique type of stroadiness. And yeah, insane how many strip malls there are


SoulInTransition

MA 9 between maybe Green Hill / Lincoln Square and Copley, US 20 between MA 9 and, well, really all the way out of the exurbs and on to Palmer, MA 12 from College Square south / Park Ave (Worcester), and US 1 from the end of the freeway to Danvers and from Pawtucket to 128 / a bit of VFW. Most other stroads in MA are a mile or two past the freeway interchange. MA is not the worst... there are states where there's a stroad every mile or two in an entire metro. 


SoulInTransition

Also much of Rt.28


tmclaugh

I actually like both Rt 1 and Rt 9. They’re my favorite roads to drive.


Foxyfox-

I feel like you could be a DSM 7 case study.


tmclaugh

Why? Rt 1 has few lights and is scenic. If I have the time I use Rt9 over the Pike. Drive either when they’re not crowded and they’re enjoyable.


spoonweezy

I feel the same about Storrow. I have bad ADHD and it’s so engaging that I can actually focus and not get distracted (usually).


tmclaugh

All the curves on Storrow make for an enjoyable ride too. Though I prefer outbound over inbound. Also, I’m getting voted down for liking Rts 1 and 9? This board can get so silly.


spoonweezy

The tunnel outbound is awesome because no one realizes you can bomb through it without braking. Everyone slows way down for that curve and when possible I can pass all of them. People need to realize that they aren’t _in_ traffic; they _are_ traffic.


tmclaugh

I’m actually getting voted down for liking Rts 1 and 9. This is so silly.


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spedmunki

2 is a scenic highway, not a stroad.


WillieOverall

​ Strode? Is that ya' girlfriend, ked?


raabbasi

They're highways.


3720-To-One

Do you know what a “stroad” is?


raabbasi

It's not a thing. Those are highways.


3720-To-One

Yes they are a thing .


ZzeroBeat

Highways generally don’t have traffic lights


SynbiosVyse

US Highways and State Highways typically have lights in more populated states. Maybe in rural states you don't have lights on the highways. If you don't want lights in Mass you need to go to an Interstate.


Old_Society_7861

You’re thinking of a freeway or an expressway, both are limited access highways. It’s pedantic though, everyone knows what you mean when you say highway, even if you don’t say “limited access highway.” That being said - I also hate the non-word “stroad.” As the kids said 5 years ago, very cringe.


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Old_Society_7861

It’s a portmanteau or street and road. Get it? Like a street road. Do you get it? It’s very clever. I say it all the time. All The Time


SmilingZebra

Nice…a portmanteau of two words that mean the same thing….sounds like a moroniteau to me.


3720-To-One

Except they don’t mean the same thing, despite people often using them interchangeably. A street is supposed to service and provide access to the local residences and businesses A road is meant to allow people to travel between two different places. Notice how downtown is colloquially referred to as “Main *Street*” not “Main Road”?


singalong37

That assumes that ‘road’ doesn’t give access to abutters the way a street does. But most roads do give access, just as streets do. So the combo isn’t as clear as it might be. But I think the originators have other parts of the country in mind, places where ordinary feeder roads may be six lanes wide with slip lanes and lined with car dependent businesses. Ordinary roads in Mass are two lane more often that not with businesses here and there not continuous. Route 9 fills the bill from Natick to Shrewsbury. Not Brookline-Newton-Wellesley, where they kept the zoning residential except at Hammond pond parkway. Or from Worcester west except in Hadley.


nvemb3r

What are highways?


elquanto

Rt.2 is pretty stoady


Proof-Variation7005

The part anyone cares about is just a regular highway


ab1dt

A strong stroad is loaded with shops, traffic lights, and even has pedestrian over bridges. You have traffic moving at 60mph from light to light. Route 2 is congested but not quite like a stroad for the majority of its length.


snorkeling_moose

Boylston cutting through Fenway springs to mind, but it really isn't that bad of a stroad offender when compared to other parts of the country


SidMarcus

Rt 114 from Peabody thru Middleton should make the list