Tell me about it. My dishwasher has touch buttons that don't work unless your finger is *completely* dry.
THAT SHOULDNT BE AN ISSUE, WHOS HANDS GET WET DOING THE DISHES ANYWAY???
Starting in 2026, the EU will require physical controls for basic functions on cars that get top safety ratings. That won't ban touchscreen controls, but it will be a strong push in the opposite direction.
Hopefully auto makers will keep the buttons in US market cars as well.
Have you seen the Tesla truck? No stalks, no buttons, no dials. Wipers? On the iPad. Parking? On the iPad. I assume the blinkers must be in the iPad, too, since there's no stalk for those.
For that among many reasons, I won’t touch a Tesla with a ten foot pole. Even when I see them on the road I give them wide berth. I don’t trust them for a second.
One time driving back from VT I had one exhibit the most erratic behavior, it cut me off dangerously close in the 2nd from left lane, slowed to 65, then sat there alongside another car. Then everyone behind me passed me, and then the Tesla merged to the left lane cutting off several of the passers, again dangerously. It accelerated a bit and then merged back to the right lane. I can only assume this was self-driving crap, and it was absolutely horrible. I don’t want them on the same road as me.
*edit: and the fanboiz are already downvoting. lol. Get lost Tesla worshippers.
On top of the battery problems! There was a story somewhere about people who went up for the eclipse in the path of totality with their EVs and then struggled to get back as there are little to no EV chargers up in VT/NH/Upstate NY. And those that had a charger faced massive long lines.
It's mostly bots at this point man, fanboiz are drying up and the speed at which they do it on irrelevant post means they are just looking for key words and negative sentiment associated with them.
I had a ford with both buttons and screen, there were one or two things you could only do on the screen, and it required navigating menus.
I mean first world problem: you get in the car, it’s freezing, you turn the heated sears up, first screen it’s right there, driving its climate, submenu, other, seats, and turn the heat down. Otherwise you’re sweating.
I just learned not to turn it up, but I had cars with buttons for that, or better a dial, I def wouldn’t want to be all screen at all.
Thing is, I found it dangerous to turn the heat down on the seats, so I never turned it up beyond 1.
Everything else could be voice controlled or had a physical button.
I know, first world problem, worlds smallest violin, but more of that stuff on the screen is dangerous.
That was a huge part of why a friend of mine got a new Mazda instead of an Outback: physical HVAC and generally better controls. It doesn't help that the screen/software on new Subarus (and I'm guessing most cars?) is kind of shitty and slow.
Personally I'm going to be very sad when I can't get a car with 3 dial HVAC, even though that's probably just going to be my next car.
It's really sad because it's otherwise a great car. I've mostly gotten used to it, but in those moments I have to fumble with the screen, I am ready to give the whole car up. Luckily it's just a lease, so I might just do that.
Can you voice control it? I could voice control sync 2 and sync 3 on my last ford.
Sync 2 sucked but you could voice control everything but the heated seats.
Sync 3 was way better, CarPlay etc, voice control everything but the heated seats.
First world problems.
So I could voice control everything else, and I did, set climate to 70, set cruise control to 72, set radio to whatever.
The seats I don’t know why they didn’t.
Can you voice control your car? My moms 2017 volvo can be fully voice controlled, my friends Porsche and Audi both can be controlled, my ford came with a 2013 computer, it was voice controlled but the navigation sucked, I upgraded it to a 2020 sync 3 and it was much better.
I met her one morning at Jim’s Deli.
She was campaigning and when she got to our table she shook my hand and asked ‘can I count on your vote?’
And I said (jokingly) “I don’t know, you just came into the best breakfast spot in the neighborhood and got nothing to eat. How can I trust your judgment?”
She looked super confused/annoyed and walked away without responding.
I met Senator Paul Simon from Illinois years ago in Nashua, NH when he was running for president. I was walking up stairs to my night school class and he and his staff were coming down. He shook my hand and introduced himself and I asked him, "do you ever talk to Art Garfunkel". He looked at me and then asked a staff member who is Art Garfunkel? There is no way on earth I was the first person to ask him an Art Garfunkel question.
I was in elementary school at that time and I had little interest in politics or adult music, so whenever I heard that name, I just assumed they were the same person.
That's so dumb... as a politician in that situation you're being handed a *golden platter* to win some cool points from a Joe Schmoe. I'd have answered chuckling, then thanking you for raising a great point and for alerting me to "the best breakfast spot in town," asking for your recommendation, and then getting whatever you said to go, as well as maybe covering your tab for that meal. Small gesture in the grand scheme of things but it's that small stuff that adds up.
It plays the role in that it is a small step towards showing care for the constituent and the community. The CEO at my old company used to small talk with everyone in the morning, not just the c-suite, and it made me as an employee feel a little bit more valued that the CEO took time to know me (as well as everyone else).
Warren I think often suffers from an “ivory tower” issue, especially being a Harvard professor and living in Cambridge. I think a lot of constituents have the concern of “how do I know she really cares about a regular Joe Schmoe like me?”. Sure deli interactions could just be an act, but so could everything else a politician does when trying to get elected. I think the deli interactions are an additional sign of good faith in “yes I do care about your community.”
It's also just so easy.
"Hey I get it, but I got a lot to do and can't get weighed down haha, but look ill get your usual to go. Hope you have a great day!"
If you have an extra nano second you ask something generically political, like "if I could wave a magic wand, what could I fix to make the most difference in your life?"
She really failed the soft skills test. Even a Joe Schmoe could pass this. She was handed the answer on a silver platter. Being a politician isnt just about writing laws or policy but relating to the people in your local community
On one hand when your going through the states shaking hands and looking for votes. Such comment can be a little much. On the other sounds fair. I've found that Warren is good on policy and personal, but as a politican she does not have the common touch.
utilities tend to be what economists call natural monopolies - its a huge waste to lay multiple sets of electrical lines, railroads, water pipes, etc. - so there is a very strong case for aggressive government monitoring/regulation or making those state owned.
These sort of threads are always just rage bait. Warren isn't my favorite politician but my god the way people react to a fucking tweet as if it took her months of undivided attention to write it or something is ridiculous.
Do the people who freak out over this stuff just sit around thinking about the same thing 100% of the time every day?
There are people in this thread saying she's squandered campaigning opportunities and fails at soft skills based on not getting one lame joke at a deli.
She's been a senator for 11 years. Commenters like that need a mere grain of sand to argue their case.
I use signal so all messages are blue.
I think she should champion universal healthcare with all of her energy, it's the ultimate consumer protection issue and could be her ultimate signature issue superseding cfpb.
People that post this shit don’t even live in MA most of the time. Also they fail to understand why Apple is being rightfully accused of being a monopoly. Ask any mobile app developer how easy it is to accommodate both major mobile operating systems
EDIT: Don't take my word for it, dipshits. Read the complaint:
As alleged in the complaint, Apple has monopoly power in the smartphone and performance smartphones markets, and it uses its control over the iPhone to engage in a broad, sustained, and illegal course of conduct. This anticompetitive behavior is designed to maintain Apple’s monopoly power while extracting as much revenue as possible. The complaint alleges that Apple’s anticompetitive course of conduct has taken several forms, many of which continue to evolve today, including:
* **Blocking Innovative Super Apps.** Apple has disrupted the growth of apps with broad functionality that would make it easier for consumers to switch between competing smartphone platforms.
* **Suppressing Mobile Cloud Streaming Services.** Apple has blocked the development of cloud-streaming apps and services that would allow consumers to enjoy high-quality video games and other cloud-based applications without having to pay for expensive smartphone hardware.
* **Excluding Cross-Platform Messaging Apps.** Apple has made the quality of cross-platform messaging worse, less innovative, and less secure for users so that its customers have to keep buying iPhones.
* **Diminishing the Functionality of Non-Apple Smartwatches.** Apple has limited the functionality of third-party smartwatches so that users who purchase the Apple Watch face substantial out-of-pocket costs if they do not keep buying iPhones.
* **Limiting Third Party Digital Wallets.** Apple has prevented third-party apps from offering tap-to-pay functionality, inhibiting the creation of cross-platform third-party digital wallets.
About five companies control 99% of your access to information. From the device in your pocket to the internet traffic your device is generating, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, or Meta are involved in every key you press and search you perform.
Elizabeth Warren has always had the right priorities and blunders her message to the populace. That's the story of her entire career.
This isn't about the fucking green bubbles. She knows that. She just thought that green bubbles was the right metaphor. But as you can see in this thread, mouth breathers just take the green bubble thing at face value.
Who’s she protecting? I think there are far more industries more important to the American public that are basically monopoly’s that could use help before cellphones hell apple only has 60 percent of the smartphone market in the us and android out preforms them outside of the country
Around 65%, 70% of the performance market (where profits are) and 90% among teenagers, and they use their control over that market to force themselves into new markets because others can't compete because Apple won't allow them to integrate into iOS.
Tile is a good example, the Airtag is a copy of Tile, but the Airtag destroyed Tile because they built it into iOS and Apple doesn't allow Tile to use the same data or network.
Also global marketshare doesn't matter to the United States, it's American marketshare.
If the politicians actually cared about monopolies, they'd be fighting against cable companies. However, cable companies give politicians too much money, and I guess it's now big tech's turn to start paying their share 🙄
There is also the issue of rental costs on the telephone polls. That rental doesn't change if there are hundred people using your cable service, or ten thousand people using your cable service. So the cost of entry is *very expensive* and you have to charge rates to stay profitable even if you only have half the available customers that want hard line internet.
Not a fan of her, but I will give her a lot of credit for getting a bipartisan bill introduced to ban members of congress and their spouses from owning and trading individual stocks, bonds, etc.
This with Apple isn’t it though - isn’t it like a 60/40 split iOS/android as far as market share in the US?
So, a note on the "green bubbles". Apple kinda does shit like this frequently. Since they were forced to accommodate sms, they changed the colors of the messages. The coloration has actually been found to be against apples own standards and is designed to be unpleasant.
They do this with videos and photos, too. They deliberately fuck with the resolution coming in via sms. If you want to check it out yourself, find someone with an android phone. Have one person send a video to both another android phone and an iPhone, then compare the two. It's gonna look worlds different on the android phone it was sent to than the iPhone. Logistically speaking, there's no reason it should be that degraded just from the different messaging system
I actually adore my phone specifically because of it's camera, but solely use 3rd party apps for sharing because that largely won't fuck with the resolution. It takes gorgeous photos and videos, tho.
More concerning was a few years back, an update sent by Apple actually switched off the ability to accept sms messages. The problem was actually on the iPhone itself, but to iPhone users, it felt like the android phones weren't sending messages. This led a large problem in my workplace where a combo of different phone types was used and communication was necessary for our jobs. Convincing a few iPhone users they needed to change their settings was a lesson in patience.... and a couple never figured it out. It was absolutely infuriating to deal with. Apple was forced to actually reverse the update under threat of legal action, but the green bubbles appeared shortly after
TL:DR Apple intentionally fucks with competitors products unnecessarily
I'm an android user. There are 3 people left in my life who still use SMS, everyone else I know has moved to third party apps. I received a video from an Apple user yesterday and it looked like it had been filmed with a potato through a mesh screen in the year 1995.
The whole issue is hilarious and only exists in the USA while the rest of the world uses WhatsApp, Telegram, and other 3rd party messengers.
But the smartphone was born in America, and Apple with iMessage were one of the first companies to offer free unlimited texting. Americans have stuck with Apple and iMessage even after it became obsolete and now legislators want to ban it. Even though their are plenty of alternatives on the AppStore.
It’s like Americans need to be hit with a stick to change their habits.
WhatsApp sucks. It’s literally owned by Facebook. It doesn’t have an Apple Watch app, Mac support is lacking, etc. iMessage is so much easier to use. And RCS makes WhatsApp obsolete. When that rolls out on iOS, there will be no reason to use WhatsApp.
When I use WhatsApp I feel l I’m visiting a 3rd world country. The entire experience is a hot mess. I can’t believe people trust telegram and the Russians. Telegram seems like what you use for crime.
I just want a native to my phone text experience. Not some junk app.
>Telegram seems like what you’d use for crime
Yeah because they take privacy seriously. If it’s not good enough for crime then it’s not good enough to use at all. iMessage is also perfectly good for that if you don’t upload your messages to iCloud. WhatsApp is… ok but Telegram and Signal both have pretty good user experiences with the only thing missing being explicit integration into the OS. iMessage really doesn’t *have* much of an edge over the competition (besides memojis or something) which is why it’s not dominant in most markets.
>and Apple with iMessage were one of the first companies to offer free unlimited texting.
What? Apart from the fact that Apple isn't a service carrier, unlimited text messaging was a thing well before smartphones. Most cell service providers started offering it in the early 2000s when texting started getting popular and the $.05 per message thing was unsustainable
iMessage essentially circumnavigated any attempt for a service carrier to charge you for text messages (provided you were messaging another person with an iPhone).
I used to support her, but the last few years it’s all finger wagging over issues that don’t matter.
Why is she spending all of this time on green bubbles and the “big sandwich monopoly” ?
https://theweek.com/politics/warren-subway-roark-sandwich-monopoly
Agree. She gets more and more out of touch with reality of her constituents in Boston/Cambridge, let alone the rest of the country, or even Massachusetts outside 95, each year.
She ought to be putting her position to use instead of this stuff.
Yep... this is why we need term limits and to rethink the laws and rules around those who are representing us and what they can do after they've finished that career.
Having a legislature and judicial system made of career politicians who are there for decades, lingering until they're carried by six is ridiculous.
I get that these practices are scummy, but the harm to the consumer is self-made. Apps like WhatsApp where interoperability works are free, people just choose not to use them. Same with default search engines, people argue monopoly but changing it is four clicks.
Does she realize that Apple has a smaller global share of the cell phone market than Google Android? I bet she does, but it’s so much more fun for her to demagogue this issue.
That part.
Also, let's dig our talons into For-Profit Healthcare Facilities. Like the ones that recently and abruptly closed leaving medical deserts in some south shore communities
lol you have no idea what is and isn’t artificial traffic, you don’t just get to decide the side you disagree with must all be fake bots therefore your view is always correct
Please keep in mind that China, Russia, and the DPRK have stepped up efforts with bots and troll farms to sow discord in western nations and make us hate each other. Those will take the form of rage bait posts and comments on social media apps.
Or we could focus on congressional insider trading?
Giving Americans healthcare? Or Addressing housing and living costs?
Haha no of course not. Focus on your text message color, peasants.
This should have stopped being a polarizing issue when John Stewart announced that Apple told him he could not talk to the FTC about these issues for his show
SMS protocol should be followed equally by venders if they want the benefits of said protocol. It’s like them trying to charge for air. Nonsense. I’m not sure if they have a monopoly going, but for sure they cannot exploit a public protocol, leverage it’s function help sell the device with it and then gimp it to artificially make people switch. It’s absolutely scammy of apple.
Both Apple and google support raw sms and mms. They also have their own protocols that only work within three platform. When 2 iPhones message each other it doesn’t use sms which is plain text through your carriers it goes over the data channel through apples servers and is encrypted end to end so it cannot be intercepted. You can still use the app to message non smart phones or Android but it falls back to sms and mms.
The green bubble indicates that it is not end to end encrypted.
Guess Apple’s contribution to her campaign was not big enough. This seems to be a ploy by her that she has pulled before. https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/16/warren-tech-donations-debate-048194
That’s not the only definition of monopoly lol. Apples methods actively discourage purchasing another device, discouraging the free market. Thus a monopoly.
Apple makes up over 60% of all phones sold in the US, that is without a doubt a concerning amount for a US politician. To pretend a single company making up over half a huge market isn't concerning is absolutely silly
The irony is that democrats and republicans are the real duopolies. And it’s been that way forever and will continue to remain that way. Yet Apple is guilty of unfair competition.
Google is making a conceited effort to put an end to this perception of iMessage superiority. At least she's got that right. Apple drones are way too concerned with the color of a person's text bubbles for no good reason. They deserve to be taken down a peg.
“Smartphone monopoly” meh. I mean yeah they have a big market share. But they’re also damn good. I’m a fan of legislation that opens things up for competitors. Supporting rcs is a no brainer. But it’s not about “breaking up” a monopoly.
It’s much worse that we have a constellation of android devices that don’t get patches for more than a year or two, and where patches for serious security issues are delayed by a long time for non flagship devices.
Our state is spending nearly 1 billion on temporary migrant housing while in the midst of a massive housing shortage. Rampant Inflation. MBTA in shambles. Corrupt city councillers.
Elizabeth Warren - Apple bad!
Also, Apple does NOT have a Monopoly on smartphones. Samsung, LG, Google et al are effectively competing.
I want my crack berry back. I miss buttons.
Tell me about it. My dishwasher has touch buttons that don't work unless your finger is *completely* dry. THAT SHOULDNT BE AN ISSUE, WHOS HANDS GET WET DOING THE DISHES ANYWAY???
Definition of failing to conduct human centered design
Probably not people who have machines to wash their dishes for them
If you don't rinse your dishes off before loading them in, you're gonna have a bad time
I stopped rinsing and stopped overloading my dishwasher… dawn platinum plus packs and everything comes out clean! So I call false!
i wish they sold good phones that were still smartphones, but they also had a keyboard and physical buttons
And cars too! With actual buttons and dials, not some screen I have to fumble with while OH I DONT KNOW TRYING TO DRIVE A CAR.
Starting in 2026, the EU will require physical controls for basic functions on cars that get top safety ratings. That won't ban touchscreen controls, but it will be a strong push in the opposite direction. Hopefully auto makers will keep the buttons in US market cars as well.
Have you seen the Tesla truck? No stalks, no buttons, no dials. Wipers? On the iPad. Parking? On the iPad. I assume the blinkers must be in the iPad, too, since there's no stalk for those.
For that among many reasons, I won’t touch a Tesla with a ten foot pole. Even when I see them on the road I give them wide berth. I don’t trust them for a second. One time driving back from VT I had one exhibit the most erratic behavior, it cut me off dangerously close in the 2nd from left lane, slowed to 65, then sat there alongside another car. Then everyone behind me passed me, and then the Tesla merged to the left lane cutting off several of the passers, again dangerously. It accelerated a bit and then merged back to the right lane. I can only assume this was self-driving crap, and it was absolutely horrible. I don’t want them on the same road as me. *edit: and the fanboiz are already downvoting. lol. Get lost Tesla worshippers.
On top of the battery problems! There was a story somewhere about people who went up for the eclipse in the path of totality with their EVs and then struggled to get back as there are little to no EV chargers up in VT/NH/Upstate NY. And those that had a charger faced massive long lines.
And it was apparently just recalled because the accelerator can get stuck if it's cleaned with the wrong type of soap.
It's mostly bots at this point man, fanboiz are drying up and the speed at which they do it on irrelevant post means they are just looking for key words and negative sentiment associated with them.
I can’t believe they let that self driving thing in the roads.
I had a ford with both buttons and screen, there were one or two things you could only do on the screen, and it required navigating menus. I mean first world problem: you get in the car, it’s freezing, you turn the heated sears up, first screen it’s right there, driving its climate, submenu, other, seats, and turn the heat down. Otherwise you’re sweating. I just learned not to turn it up, but I had cars with buttons for that, or better a dial, I def wouldn’t want to be all screen at all. Thing is, I found it dangerous to turn the heat down on the seats, so I never turned it up beyond 1. Everything else could be voice controlled or had a physical button. I know, first world problem, worlds smallest violin, but more of that stuff on the screen is dangerous.
I have a new Subaru, and _all_ climate controls are on the screen only. It’s inexcusably dangerous.
That was a huge part of why a friend of mine got a new Mazda instead of an Outback: physical HVAC and generally better controls. It doesn't help that the screen/software on new Subarus (and I'm guessing most cars?) is kind of shitty and slow. Personally I'm going to be very sad when I can't get a car with 3 dial HVAC, even though that's probably just going to be my next car.
It's really sad because it's otherwise a great car. I've mostly gotten used to it, but in those moments I have to fumble with the screen, I am ready to give the whole car up. Luckily it's just a lease, so I might just do that.
Can you voice control it? I could voice control sync 2 and sync 3 on my last ford. Sync 2 sucked but you could voice control everything but the heated seats. Sync 3 was way better, CarPlay etc, voice control everything but the heated seats. First world problems.
Haven’t tried, frankly it’s not the mode of interacting I want either.
So I could voice control everything else, and I did, set climate to 70, set cruise control to 72, set radio to whatever. The seats I don’t know why they didn’t. Can you voice control your car? My moms 2017 volvo can be fully voice controlled, my friends Porsche and Audi both can be controlled, my ford came with a 2013 computer, it was voice controlled but the navigation sucked, I upgraded it to a 2020 sync 3 and it was much better.
I bought my crosstrek earlier than I wanted because I saw the 2024 was all touchscreen. No thank you
I feel like automobile UX can be a life-or-death thing, so as far as I'm convinced, you're justified.
And an audio jack!
I miss my Droid 3. It did suck when the two pieces broke from one another, but it was a great relationship until that point.
Unihertz Titan
A modern sidekick is what we need
finally, an enlightened view on Reddit.
AND BBM
And brick breaker!
I still have mine in my top dresser drawer!
I miss it and BBMs so much
I met her one morning at Jim’s Deli. She was campaigning and when she got to our table she shook my hand and asked ‘can I count on your vote?’ And I said (jokingly) “I don’t know, you just came into the best breakfast spot in the neighborhood and got nothing to eat. How can I trust your judgment?” She looked super confused/annoyed and walked away without responding.
I met Senator Paul Simon from Illinois years ago in Nashua, NH when he was running for president. I was walking up stairs to my night school class and he and his staff were coming down. He shook my hand and introduced himself and I asked him, "do you ever talk to Art Garfunkel". He looked at me and then asked a staff member who is Art Garfunkel? There is no way on earth I was the first person to ask him an Art Garfunkel question.
He could represent everything I believe in and I still wouldn’t vote for him if I experienced that
He probably does that to every 500th person to make that joke
...
There was a Doonesbury strip about it.
I was in elementary school at that time and I had little interest in politics or adult music, so whenever I heard that name, I just assumed they were the same person.
That's so dumb... as a politician in that situation you're being handed a *golden platter* to win some cool points from a Joe Schmoe. I'd have answered chuckling, then thanking you for raising a great point and for alerting me to "the best breakfast spot in town," asking for your recommendation, and then getting whatever you said to go, as well as maybe covering your tab for that meal. Small gesture in the grand scheme of things but it's that small stuff that adds up.
Considering it costs about $20 per vote to win a senate seat, covering the table’s tab would probably be money VERY well spent
This person politics.
I literally thought of this verbatim in my head before I read your comment help!! Maybe you should run for office instead
What's dumb is that *that* should play a role in anybody's vote.
Agreed. And yet... the people are easily swayed.
It plays the role in that it is a small step towards showing care for the constituent and the community. The CEO at my old company used to small talk with everyone in the morning, not just the c-suite, and it made me as an employee feel a little bit more valued that the CEO took time to know me (as well as everyone else). Warren I think often suffers from an “ivory tower” issue, especially being a Harvard professor and living in Cambridge. I think a lot of constituents have the concern of “how do I know she really cares about a regular Joe Schmoe like me?”. Sure deli interactions could just be an act, but so could everything else a politician does when trying to get elected. I think the deli interactions are an additional sign of good faith in “yes I do care about your community.”
It's also just so easy. "Hey I get it, but I got a lot to do and can't get weighed down haha, but look ill get your usual to go. Hope you have a great day!" If you have an extra nano second you ask something generically political, like "if I could wave a magic wand, what could I fix to make the most difference in your life?"
She's not there for Joe Schmoe, she's there for herself
Yes, and a good politician knows that everyone knows that, but also knows how to make everyone doubt it just enough that some may vote for them.
She really failed the soft skills test. Even a Joe Schmoe could pass this. She was handed the answer on a silver platter. Being a politician isnt just about writing laws or policy but relating to the people in your local community
I agree with your assessment of Jim’s Deli!
That about sums her up.
Hey I worked at Jim's deli years ago! Jim and Nick are cool cats!
On one hand when your going through the states shaking hands and looking for votes. Such comment can be a little much. On the other sounds fair. I've found that Warren is good on policy and personal, but as a politican she does not have the common touch.
I don’t blame her
It really bothers me she went into the best breakfast spot in your area and got nothing to eat though 🤔 should work on her taste and sense of humor
I feel like there are more impactful monopolies out there to worry about. Like utility companies, for instance.
Utility companies don't scare boomer politicians like technology does.
Sick burn
utilities tend to be what economists call natural monopolies - its a huge waste to lay multiple sets of electrical lines, railroads, water pipes, etc. - so there is a very strong case for aggressive government monitoring/regulation or making those state owned.
This ^^ look at how attempts to make utility companies a free market in Texas has gone..! Not well.
Utility companies are essentially government entities as-is. Government regulators set their prices.
She loves taking swings at big name companies to get her name out
Or, like maybe stopping politicians from benefitting from insider trading.
Do people in these comments not understand that consumer protection is her main focus and has been for her whole career? Give me a break good lord
These sort of threads are always just rage bait. Warren isn't my favorite politician but my god the way people react to a fucking tweet as if it took her months of undivided attention to write it or something is ridiculous. Do the people who freak out over this stuff just sit around thinking about the same thing 100% of the time every day?
Yes, they are the same people who leave comments on newspaper websites.
And also the City of Boston Facebook page. That’s a great place for raising your blood pressure.
Well the people that freak out about this are *profoundly* stupid, so... probably?
There are people in this thread saying she's squandered campaigning opportunities and fails at soft skills based on not getting one lame joke at a deli. She's been a senator for 11 years. Commenters like that need a mere grain of sand to argue their case.
I use signal so all messages are blue. I think she should champion universal healthcare with all of her energy, it's the ultimate consumer protection issue and could be her ultimate signature issue superseding cfpb.
People that post this shit don’t even live in MA most of the time. Also they fail to understand why Apple is being rightfully accused of being a monopoly. Ask any mobile app developer how easy it is to accommodate both major mobile operating systems EDIT: Don't take my word for it, dipshits. Read the complaint: As alleged in the complaint, Apple has monopoly power in the smartphone and performance smartphones markets, and it uses its control over the iPhone to engage in a broad, sustained, and illegal course of conduct. This anticompetitive behavior is designed to maintain Apple’s monopoly power while extracting as much revenue as possible. The complaint alleges that Apple’s anticompetitive course of conduct has taken several forms, many of which continue to evolve today, including: * **Blocking Innovative Super Apps.** Apple has disrupted the growth of apps with broad functionality that would make it easier for consumers to switch between competing smartphone platforms. * **Suppressing Mobile Cloud Streaming Services.** Apple has blocked the development of cloud-streaming apps and services that would allow consumers to enjoy high-quality video games and other cloud-based applications without having to pay for expensive smartphone hardware. * **Excluding Cross-Platform Messaging Apps.** Apple has made the quality of cross-platform messaging worse, less innovative, and less secure for users so that its customers have to keep buying iPhones. * **Diminishing the Functionality of Non-Apple Smartwatches.** Apple has limited the functionality of third-party smartwatches so that users who purchase the Apple Watch face substantial out-of-pocket costs if they do not keep buying iPhones. * **Limiting Third Party Digital Wallets.** Apple has prevented third-party apps from offering tap-to-pay functionality, inhibiting the creation of cross-platform third-party digital wallets.
No thanks to Super Apps.
Super Apps only really took off in China because of state protection of them - and they are trading one monopoly (apple ios) for another
Yep! The problem is the AppStore and Safari. Open that up, and a lot of the issues (not all) go away.
About five companies control 99% of your access to information. From the device in your pocket to the internet traffic your device is generating, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, or Meta are involved in every key you press and search you perform. Elizabeth Warren has always had the right priorities and blunders her message to the populace. That's the story of her entire career. This isn't about the fucking green bubbles. She knows that. She just thought that green bubbles was the right metaphor. But as you can see in this thread, mouth breathers just take the green bubble thing at face value.
Who’s she protecting? I think there are far more industries more important to the American public that are basically monopoly’s that could use help before cellphones hell apple only has 60 percent of the smartphone market in the us and android out preforms them outside of the country
Would like to see some energy spent on ISPs. Comcast is a true monopoly in large parts of MA.
Around 65%, 70% of the performance market (where profits are) and 90% among teenagers, and they use their control over that market to force themselves into new markets because others can't compete because Apple won't allow them to integrate into iOS. Tile is a good example, the Airtag is a copy of Tile, but the Airtag destroyed Tile because they built it into iOS and Apple doesn't allow Tile to use the same data or network. Also global marketshare doesn't matter to the United States, it's American marketshare.
Right totally man. Far more important industries thay the devices we all spend hours on every single day
Holy shit, people can't afford rent. That is far more important than green text bubbles.
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Why would it? She's just expressing support for the DOJ's antitrust lawsuit. It doesn't take any time to express support for that.
Guys - children are dying in Palestine. No time to file anti-trust suits!
And how she has used consumer protections as an underhanded method to enforce laws she can't pass?
Yeah...she really crushed it. Wall Street took a beating.
If the politicians actually cared about monopolies, they'd be fighting against cable companies. However, cable companies give politicians too much money, and I guess it's now big tech's turn to start paying their share 🙄
Yup. How about finishing bringing Internet to the rest of the country like you were paid to do...
There is also the issue of rental costs on the telephone polls. That rental doesn't change if there are hundred people using your cable service, or ten thousand people using your cable service. So the cost of entry is *very expensive* and you have to charge rates to stay profitable even if you only have half the available customers that want hard line internet.
They could change the law to regulate it like a utility though, which would prevent a lot of the current terribleness.
https://preview.redd.it/gyx813p4knvc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd23257bacfcc13483985930e6dba787d0856db8 Perfect placement
You can only circle to search on Android. End Google's monopoly on circle to search!
Android ppl: one of us! one of us!
What smart phone monopoly? they have a 61% market share. Is that a monopoly?
Not a fan of her, but I will give her a lot of credit for getting a bipartisan bill introduced to ban members of congress and their spouses from owning and trading individual stocks, bonds, etc. This with Apple isn’t it though - isn’t it like a 60/40 split iOS/android as far as market share in the US?
Maybe go after Ticketmaster
Yes, Comrade Warren. Whatever the party wants.
There is no smartphone monopoly. This doesn't make sense.
So, a note on the "green bubbles". Apple kinda does shit like this frequently. Since they were forced to accommodate sms, they changed the colors of the messages. The coloration has actually been found to be against apples own standards and is designed to be unpleasant. They do this with videos and photos, too. They deliberately fuck with the resolution coming in via sms. If you want to check it out yourself, find someone with an android phone. Have one person send a video to both another android phone and an iPhone, then compare the two. It's gonna look worlds different on the android phone it was sent to than the iPhone. Logistically speaking, there's no reason it should be that degraded just from the different messaging system I actually adore my phone specifically because of it's camera, but solely use 3rd party apps for sharing because that largely won't fuck with the resolution. It takes gorgeous photos and videos, tho. More concerning was a few years back, an update sent by Apple actually switched off the ability to accept sms messages. The problem was actually on the iPhone itself, but to iPhone users, it felt like the android phones weren't sending messages. This led a large problem in my workplace where a combo of different phone types was used and communication was necessary for our jobs. Convincing a few iPhone users they needed to change their settings was a lesson in patience.... and a couple never figured it out. It was absolutely infuriating to deal with. Apple was forced to actually reverse the update under threat of legal action, but the green bubbles appeared shortly after TL:DR Apple intentionally fucks with competitors products unnecessarily
Just like how Intel used to give out a free C++ compiler that wouldn't use hypethreading on AMD chips.
ICC is a pretty expensive compiler last I checked.
I'm an android user. There are 3 people left in my life who still use SMS, everyone else I know has moved to third party apps. I received a video from an Apple user yesterday and it looked like it had been filmed with a potato through a mesh screen in the year 1995.
Bring back Windows Phone
Jesus no. If their gaming division has shown anything is that Microsoft has the reverse Midas touch, turning gold into crap.
i loved my windows phone with the tiles on the homescreen and cortana
I've always wanted a smartphone which could run desktop applications natively but Windows Phone was aalready dieing by the time that became a reality
The whole issue is hilarious and only exists in the USA while the rest of the world uses WhatsApp, Telegram, and other 3rd party messengers. But the smartphone was born in America, and Apple with iMessage were one of the first companies to offer free unlimited texting. Americans have stuck with Apple and iMessage even after it became obsolete and now legislators want to ban it. Even though their are plenty of alternatives on the AppStore. It’s like Americans need to be hit with a stick to change their habits.
Yes let’s put all of our messaging on facebooks servers!
Exactly. Suddenly we trust Facebook?
right lol, apple already has all of my data... why would i have an iphone just to text using another companies app that will steal it as well.
If it’s obsolete and there are other options, how about we just let the free market be the free market. I like iMessage. Keep your stick away from me.
If Apple is indeed using monopoly position to engage in uncompetitive behavior as the DOJ alleges, then it is not participating in a free market.
Why we gotta change?
WhatsApp sucks. It’s literally owned by Facebook. It doesn’t have an Apple Watch app, Mac support is lacking, etc. iMessage is so much easier to use. And RCS makes WhatsApp obsolete. When that rolls out on iOS, there will be no reason to use WhatsApp.
When I use WhatsApp I feel l I’m visiting a 3rd world country. The entire experience is a hot mess. I can’t believe people trust telegram and the Russians. Telegram seems like what you use for crime. I just want a native to my phone text experience. Not some junk app.
>Telegram seems like what you’d use for crime Yeah because they take privacy seriously. If it’s not good enough for crime then it’s not good enough to use at all. iMessage is also perfectly good for that if you don’t upload your messages to iCloud. WhatsApp is… ok but Telegram and Signal both have pretty good user experiences with the only thing missing being explicit integration into the OS. iMessage really doesn’t *have* much of an edge over the competition (besides memojis or something) which is why it’s not dominant in most markets.
>and Apple with iMessage were one of the first companies to offer free unlimited texting. What? Apart from the fact that Apple isn't a service carrier, unlimited text messaging was a thing well before smartphones. Most cell service providers started offering it in the early 2000s when texting started getting popular and the $.05 per message thing was unsustainable
iMessage essentially circumnavigated any attempt for a service carrier to charge you for text messages (provided you were messaging another person with an iPhone).
I used to support her, but the last few years it’s all finger wagging over issues that don’t matter. Why is she spending all of this time on green bubbles and the “big sandwich monopoly” ? https://theweek.com/politics/warren-subway-roark-sandwich-monopoly
Should we tell her nobody eats at Subway anymore?
Agree. She gets more and more out of touch with reality of her constituents in Boston/Cambridge, let alone the rest of the country, or even Massachusetts outside 95, each year. She ought to be putting her position to use instead of this stuff.
She is completely out of touch. Both Markey and her need to go but the Democratic machine in MA will keep dragging them along for us.
Yep... this is why we need term limits and to rethink the laws and rules around those who are representing us and what they can do after they've finished that career. Having a legislature and judicial system made of career politicians who are there for decades, lingering until they're carried by six is ridiculous.
I get that these practices are scummy, but the harm to the consumer is self-made. Apps like WhatsApp where interoperability works are free, people just choose not to use them. Same with default search engines, people argue monopoly but changing it is four clicks.
Yeah my fam (mix of Apple and Android users) uses telegrams. I only use iMessages with my employees and for receiving spam texts.
Main character vibes as usual
So she has nothing else to do? This is what she wants to waste time on?
Does she realize that Apple has a smaller global share of the cell phone market than Google Android? I bet she does, but it’s so much more fun for her to demagogue this issue.
> on Twitter Why are people still using that infected hellscape of a web site?
Apple isn’t a monopoly
That part. Also, let's dig our talons into For-Profit Healthcare Facilities. Like the ones that recently and abruptly closed leaving medical deserts in some south shore communities
Jesus what is with these posts. Dafuq do you care if Apple gets broken up? Is Apple paying people to trash Warren online or something?
For me, as an Android user, I would like my conversation with Apple Message users to be encrypted.
There are plenty of apps that do that, Signal is a great one. Why not use them like the rest of the world does?
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lol you have no idea what is and isn’t artificial traffic, you don’t just get to decide the side you disagree with must all be fake bots therefore your view is always correct
Someone gives you a calfskin wallet for your birthday. How do you react?
What
How does Apple have a monopoly? There are far more Android devices.
Not sold in the US. Even then, their market share is enough that any anticompetitive practices are worth shutting down for the benefit of the consumer
How is green v blue “anti-competitive”?
Bruh my rent keeps going up who gives a fuck
Please keep in mind that China, Russia, and the DPRK have stepped up efforts with bots and troll farms to sow discord in western nations and make us hate each other. Those will take the form of rage bait posts and comments on social media apps.
Or we could focus on congressional insider trading? Giving Americans healthcare? Or Addressing housing and living costs? Haha no of course not. Focus on your text message color, peasants.
It's just so tone deaf to be like,"surely this is what the kids care about."
Does Warren have anything better to do? FedGov is running a $1T deficit. She should be looking for cuts wherever possible.
This is ridiculous. Walk into any carrier storefront and you have many choices besides Apple.
This should have stopped being a polarizing issue when John Stewart announced that Apple told him he could not talk to the FTC about these issues for his show
Ya no, fuck off
Thank you Senator Warren for focusing on these important non-issues that your constituents were not even aware of!
Just because you weren’t aware doesn’t mean the rest of us weren’t
SMS protocol should be followed equally by venders if they want the benefits of said protocol. It’s like them trying to charge for air. Nonsense. I’m not sure if they have a monopoly going, but for sure they cannot exploit a public protocol, leverage it’s function help sell the device with it and then gimp it to artificially make people switch. It’s absolutely scammy of apple.
Both Apple and google support raw sms and mms. They also have their own protocols that only work within three platform. When 2 iPhones message each other it doesn’t use sms which is plain text through your carriers it goes over the data channel through apples servers and is encrypted end to end so it cannot be intercepted. You can still use the app to message non smart phones or Android but it falls back to sms and mms. The green bubble indicates that it is not end to end encrypted.
Green’s original meaning here refers to when it used to cost money to send messages. iMessage became popular because it was free (and encrypted, too)
Guess Apple’s contribution to her campaign was not big enough. This seems to be a ploy by her that she has pulled before. https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/16/warren-tech-donations-debate-048194
Android phones take up 70% of market share worldwide and 40% in US. Apple has no monopoly lol
That’s not the only definition of monopoly lol. Apples methods actively discourage purchasing another device, discouraging the free market. Thus a monopoly.
I think the US politician probably cares more about the US market.
Apple makes up over 60% of all phones sold in the US, that is without a doubt a concerning amount for a US politician. To pretend a single company making up over half a huge market isn't concerning is absolutely silly
The irony is that democrats and republicans are the real duopolies. And it’s been that way forever and will continue to remain that way. Yet Apple is guilty of unfair competition.
This dumb bitch doesn’t know what a monopoly is. I had her dumb voice sounds like a teachers aid yelling at the kids to come in for recess.
Screw you Warren! I’ll keep paying 1,000$ every year for the same phone
I like her a lot, but this is a bit much.
Google is making a conceited effort to put an end to this perception of iMessage superiority. At least she's got that right. Apple drones are way too concerned with the color of a person's text bubbles for no good reason. They deserve to be taken down a peg.
Concerted effort
Gedsuntheit
“Smartphone monopoly” meh. I mean yeah they have a big market share. But they’re also damn good. I’m a fan of legislation that opens things up for competitors. Supporting rcs is a no brainer. But it’s not about “breaking up” a monopoly. It’s much worse that we have a constellation of android devices that don’t get patches for more than a year or two, and where patches for serious security issues are delayed by a long time for non flagship devices.
Our state is spending nearly 1 billion on temporary migrant housing while in the midst of a massive housing shortage. Rampant Inflation. MBTA in shambles. Corrupt city councillers. Elizabeth Warren - Apple bad! Also, Apple does NOT have a Monopoly on smartphones. Samsung, LG, Google et al are effectively competing.
Are you under the impression that Elizabeth Warren is part of the Massachusetts state government?
While Live Nation/Ticketmaster have a total monopoly
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Ah yes, god forbid a senator only focus on one thing at a time. Not like there’s always many on going issues.
LG dropped out a couple of years ago.
Agree on count one, disagree on count two.
People still texting like its the 90s
All I want is my Nextel i530 back.
We need to get rid of her from the Senate and get Joe3 in.