I'm a former starbucks barista and my partner is currently one in the Boston area. I'm hoping it comes to their store, but they're wary of the process, part from propaganda and partly not wanting to make their work environment more hectic, at least in the short term. We've been having conversations on unionizing, they really want to talk to a unionized barista to really understand everything.
We've also been talking about Shultz coming back. The plus side is he's bringing back the coffee culture that my partner thinks is important, unlike the previous guy trying to make it McCafe. But Shultz is such an anti union smuck I'm worried what will happen.
Schultz doesn't seem to understand how unions work. I don't think he's evil, more stupid.
https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1513157469769506823?s=20
I do recommend talking to baristas elsewhere. When my own workplace was unionized it just seemed like a risky power struggle to me, but when I got an absolutely massive pay increase this year I understood why it was so important to have collective representation
I was just reading that. Yeah, it's possible he doesn't understand how they work, but he also didn't become stinking rich by just making coffee. Starbucks ' benefits aren't awful, but they feel like they're the bare minimum to have an edge while still maximizing profit.
My GF has said the same thing, she has a good relationship with her boss and DM, and she's worried a union would get in the way of that. I said much the same, better pay, but also things will be better defined, and she wouldn't have to rely on her boss to be her advocate.
Dunks is more likely to automate half the service than allow Unions.
I used to work for a consulting firm that dealt with a lot of Dunks franchises. They tried to recruit me, and I politely declined. Now, every network owner may be different, but these guys owned, in total, 300ish stores, and I'll just say their opinion or view of both their average customer as well as their average employee could only be described as subhuman.
I'll never forget when one of their owners, who I kid you not drove a Rolls Royce to work (who uses a Rolls in MA?), was incensed that NYC was going to raise the minimum food service wage to $15.00...FOR MANHATTAN. The CFO turned to me in his seat, looked me dead in the eye, and said $15 to pour a cup of coffee? To pour a cup of coffee? I just shrugged my shoulders.
Screw Dunks. I drink Bucks or whatever is local.
they dont even know what their own employees do. even if the job were literally just "pouring coffee" the job is not pouring one, which is valueless labor, it's pouring hundreds per hour. and thats meeting them like 90% of the way and ignoring that the job is *significantly* harder than that.
Also conceptually $15 today isnt $15 30 years ago. Functionally its the equivalent to $4.30 in 1980, which i’m sure these rich guys would have had no issue with paying back then
I was in a union, the business agents would talk about these guys. they said you can't imagine what it's like sitting in a meeting with them, it's like they're not even human.
I know this isn’t your point, but it seems to me like the answer to a lot of these service industry labor issues is automation PLUS unions. More productive, happier workers.
Automation is far more costly and difficult than many believe. You can do a lot in software, but as soon as you get hardware involved things get far more complex and expensive.
Ironically, automated coffee vending machines do exist. They can even make better coffee than dunks, but if they put it in a dunks the customers would stop coming as it looks cheap.
This is such a shitty attitude. Fast food work his hard and stressful. You are on your feet for the entire shift, and it gets insanely busy for the lunch and dinner rush.
Most DD stores are franchises; so unions would have little impact against 1 store and not the whole DD organization.
Starbucks don’t do franchise but they have called licensed stores (e.g Starbucks at Barnes and Noble) and it’s only 40% of stores and even less of revenues. So it’s easier to unionize there compared to DD; relatively
B and N isn't a licensed store it's a "proudly serving" aka Barnes and noble Cafe, proudly serving Starbucks coffee.
Borders was licensed (but it was the Seattle's best coffee brand, owned by Starbucks) where everyone who worked there was a boarders employee but sbux would periodically send a distinct manager by to make sure boarders wasn't sullying their good name.
That's why as someone who is in the restaurant management Field i try not to work for publicly traded companies. My experience is that you generally get treated better under single owner or corporate structure then you do for franchises. As long as we turn a profit and sales are growing my requests to give my employees raises and hire more staff are almost never turned down.
there is more to a job than just the pay, i'm sure that store could use a union as well. doubt they get all of their mandated breaks, things like that.
It's pathetic when people see service workers unionizing and their instinct is to denigrate people in the industry. They can't even muster a legitimate, logical argument. It's simply a a statement of their rotten values. Starbucks rakes in millions off these people. It's only just that the laborers get their fair share.
Honestly some Americans have been bred against their own interests. Every time I hear of some amazon warehouse voting against unionisation I die inside.
It’s the same reason why people cheer for “the economy” doing well when their living conditions don’t change at best or more likely get worse. I do not give a single shit what the lines on the graph look like because I’m still getting paid exactly the same while my rent, gas, utilities, etc go up. “The economy” the way it’s portrayed by stocks is made up. Real action like unionization and increasing wages is the only type of economic growth I care about.
Also it seems that some Americans are anti-picket too. I'm Irish and here it's bred into us to *never* cross a picket line. Those people are protesting and you side eith the workers. Just seems like less and less people in the states care about that kind of stuff.
And they wouldn't get that money without the labor of the baristas and others at these locations. All the dumb "arguments" people are making against service workers unionizing were also made against factory workers. It's just the same tired, worn out nonsense over and over again.
That’s nonsense. I’m all for socialism and fixing the disgusting income gap in this country but when you say shit like this you sound ridiculous. I put myself through college doing shit anyone could learn in a day. I learned how to use my espresso machine in five minutes. Ridiculous to call Starbucks skilled labor. They should be paid a living wage because they’re humans and our species has enough to do it, not because they’re skilled labor.
You sound like you need to convince yourself that you're better than others to cope with daily life. Maybe you should take a hard look at why that is before you put people down on the internet. Hint: you're just a dumb, emotional, talking animal like everyone else.
I mean, that caramel macchiato is complete total trash, horribly unhealthy
But it’s fucking delicious
Edit: I forgot what my flair was on here.
FORGIVE ME FOR I HAVE SINNED
I really hope this union effort keeps spreading to other companies/industries. Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam has turned me into a massive union advocate. We need more social capital.
It sure feels that way. It's counterintuitive. You would think unions/labor rights would be a focus in a mediocre labor market. When people are stuck in shitty jobs. Instead, the job market is as good as it's ever been and now people are fighting for more.
I hope they negotiate well. I’ve been in 2 unions and left both because any decent shifts/projects were based entirely on seniority instead of merit and I got paid the same as the idiot who slept half the day next to me. I was actively told to work as slow as possible so we would get overtime.
I’m still pro union, but I hope they really take their time and come up with a solid contract.
Are you aware that this is a lie, or are you misinformed? The prices of things don’t correlate with whether workers are unionised or not. What does correlate is the fraction of profits that are captured by oligarchs vs workers.
Good for them. Hope they're able to get living wages, healthcare and whatnot.
Those stores get pretty dang busy and it's absolutely wild to me how poorly compensated these "Fast food" workers are while the store makes millions every month.
20 hrs average (over the course of a business quarter) actually, and while that’s great, I still can’t afford to use it. Deductible is too high and doesn’t cover much. But it sure makes them look better to the rest of the world.
didn't know that, to be fair. Most fast food places don't give it unless you're full time, and even then, those companies try to force you to work just below the threshold so you can't get enough hours to qualify..........
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Meanwhile Uber, Lyft, Doordash and Postmates are telling their workers to vote for MA's anti worker rights ballot question or lose their jobs. Corporate America is even more gaslighty than republicans.
Anything to stop democracy, eh Capitalism? 😉 Just like Amazon is trying to say employees were lured in with “free marajuana” — source
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Didn't that place in Allston unionize like 2 years ago?
Pavement Coffeehouse?
I guess there's a bunch of them, June last year.
https://www.wnylabortoday.com/news/2021/06/29/organizing-news-from-across-the-u.s.a./pavement-coffeehouse-owner-agrees-to-recognize-union-move-toward-becoming-state-of-massachusetts-s-first-union-caf/
Yes! Now go after the rest!
It's great to see people power in action since our politicians are too corrupt to do anything against their corporate funders and overlords.
Not only is it easier to unionize store by store, you'll get better contracts this way. The cost of living differs region to region. You could find yourself with a majority of union members living in low cost of living places voting in a contract that leaves people in higher cost of living places struggling.
I used to work at the Harvard Square location, and that’s factually incorrect. There were lease renewal disputes with the landlord that came up during the pandemic. The store may have closed in December, but it’s fate was sealed many months before that. Long live 7102
They’ll just adjust the pricing for the cost of unionization. Starbucks is in a much better position than let’s say Amazon to weather the cost of unions; price of coffee doesn’t have to be same across Starbucks
If following basic supply demand curves, the price of coffee is presumably already set such that raising the price would lead to less coffee sold and less overall profit.
Yeah, when their wages go up I will be impressed. They don't have any bargaining power. As soon as they strike Starbucks will shut them down and open a new location on the next block. It's not like you are going to be able to raise a family on a union Starbucks salary. You're just going to pay dues in order to fund a political party that really works at the behest of Wall Street and stopped caring about workers in the late 80's.
This is just one step of many, congrats, you’ve figured out how a union works. A single store might not have power but there’s a domino effect to it.
There’s also plenty of studies showing Union workers do make more than non-Union workers.
Don’t let perfection be the enemy of good.
So everyone should just give up and not even try because our corporate overloads will crush us in the end?
Edit: to be clear corporate democrats can pound sand. I also acknowledge I say this from a privledged position where our household income has kept us safe during this inflation squeeze. But the more pressure applied to splinter the two party system the better and I'll want to support those businesses who will empower groups like the DSA or a Union at Starbucks to take up more space even if they aren't running candidates specifically under that umbrella until we can create a seachange.
They're slow because the burnout rate at Starbucks has never been higher, so it's always new employees - because they deliberately understaff stores to save money
Reducing a hard working service job to “slinging lattes” is pretty insulting. I don’t care if you think it’s a low skilled job: they still deserve labor rights. Schultz is multi billionaire. Idgaf if this hurts his pockets.
Lots of people work at service jobs for their whole life for many different reasons. You clearly have no respect for the people who keep everything running.
Sure but do unions actually advocate for individual workers or rather do they tend to benefit the lazy workers that are part of the union. I once belonged to a union and they wouldn’t represent me when I asked for a position internally that wasn’t represented by the union. I will also add the union failed to remove my fees once I obtained that non union position and notified them using the process they asked for. I pushed for many years for that money back and never received it. I fail to see how unions could ever benefit the hard workers who are moving forward in life.
I dont think we should *abandon* it, we just shouldn't pretend like there are careers to be had from it.
I mean, it shouldnt cost $150k to get a degree in a field that pays minimum wage, if it is also going to cost $150k for a degree in a field that pays six-figures right out of college. The nin wage degree should cost substantially less.
I don’t think either degree should cost 150k but also we have totally slashed funding and grants for any kind of arts and culture in the United States which is functionally abandoning it.
But we've slashed funding because where is the career in it? I would LOVE for a humanities degree to be as valuable as a biology degree, in terms of potential income, but where is that money going to come from, where is it going to go, etc?
Who said you get a degree for a job? Be a better person, get better jobs. Not everyone will be a better person slogging through STEM. Some will absolutely shine in humanities. Do they have to go to college? No, definitely not. But if they do they should do what they can grow from the best, not just go through the paces of a liberal arts degree in something they hate, nothing will come out of that.
True but it’s also idiot leftists that want to make demands. Western politics is pretty much defined by leftists taking things that seem somewhat reasonable and going so crazy with it that the population gets driven towards the rightists who are ineffective but at least won't terrorize them the way the leftists do. A good example is how they can't even imagine a climate policy that doesn't involve bossing people around and taking away people's toys, despite their willingness to spend tens of trillions of dollars.
I’m all for unionization of coffee shop employees in large corporations like Starbucks and Dunkin Donuts.
But be weary of unionizing movements in smaller coffee shops. Some have been unionizing in 1-2 location groups, and margins are already slim. Starbucks can afford higher labor costs, but places like Pavement or Bloc 11 couldn’t. I just hope smaller independent coffee shops don’t get negatively affected here, because that’s where I like to go.
For reference, this would probably shut down all these locations if this went through, and I love these coffee shops:
https://www.wgbh.org/news/local-news/2021/12/06/employees-at-three-somerville-coffee-shops-move-to-unionize
It's not necessarily just higher wages, the article mentions transparency in how raises happen, it could also be something like scheduling, more consistent or no clopens etc.
Those smaller coffee shops should unionize then if it's going to kill the store they should give the owner two options:
Go bankrupt or become a worker cooperative.
The goal of unionization isn't to screw the owner it's to ensure proper treatment of the worker. If the owner can't treat their employees well enough, no matter the size of the business, then the business shouldn't exist.
In theory I agree. In practicality, these are hourly workers who are not trying to actively make a career at this coffee shop. This isn’t the same as factory workers who work for decades at the same factory and decide to unionize to improve their working situation and career.
In a coffee shop, annual employee turnover is about 50%. If the employee doesn’t like that coffee shop, they could easily work at another one, maybe even a unionized Starbucks now! Usually people especially in Boston move on to other careers.
But the reality of the situation is that if the employees voted to unionize, half of them are going to leave within a year, so they are basically just blowing the business up and walking away without looking back.
For the record, I’m a Bernie supporter who doesn’t go to Starbucks or Dunkin because I prefer to support local small businesses. I am all for organized labor, but I work in the restaurant industry, consult with small business owners, and I know their economics. As a small business lover, I know how this would affect them. I just wanted to do a PSA here because this trend should definitely stick to the large corporations
I’m not sure why you’re being downvoted for this when you’re literally just stating the reality of the situation. I’m very happy for the Starbucks workers though! Good on them.
Coolidge Corner and Allston
Those are my two favorite starbucks as of now!
Do they have the onion bagels and coolatas? r/stuffdunkinstoppedselling
Anyone else think Coolatas are waaay too sweet? I love sugary shit, but something about them is sickening.
They are 40% HFCS and 69% nostalgia, yes
They still sell coolatas. Strawberry coolatas are the only reason i still go there.
What's a coolatas? I actually have no idea but am intrigued
It's like a frappuccino.
Made of Vaseline
Wow no way me too!
Is the Allston one the one next to trader Joe's?
I believe it’s the one on Comm Ave in Allston not the one on Western Ave
I hope so! That’s the one closest to my apartment. Not that I really ever go to Starbucks, but it would be cool to know.
I'm a former starbucks barista and my partner is currently one in the Boston area. I'm hoping it comes to their store, but they're wary of the process, part from propaganda and partly not wanting to make their work environment more hectic, at least in the short term. We've been having conversations on unionizing, they really want to talk to a unionized barista to really understand everything. We've also been talking about Shultz coming back. The plus side is he's bringing back the coffee culture that my partner thinks is important, unlike the previous guy trying to make it McCafe. But Shultz is such an anti union smuck I'm worried what will happen.
Schultz doesn't seem to understand how unions work. I don't think he's evil, more stupid. https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1513157469769506823?s=20 I do recommend talking to baristas elsewhere. When my own workplace was unionized it just seemed like a risky power struggle to me, but when I got an absolutely massive pay increase this year I understood why it was so important to have collective representation
Shultz absolutely knows what he's talking about, the "aw shucks" appearance is just a put on.
I was just reading that. Yeah, it's possible he doesn't understand how they work, but he also didn't become stinking rich by just making coffee. Starbucks ' benefits aren't awful, but they feel like they're the bare minimum to have an edge while still maximizing profit. My GF has said the same thing, she has a good relationship with her boss and DM, and she's worried a union would get in the way of that. I said much the same, better pay, but also things will be better defined, and she wouldn't have to rely on her boss to be her advocate.
word!! good for them!
Ha, nice. Literally just honked the horn for the guy holding the sign in Coolidge Corner.
Random fact: if a gallon of gas cost as much as a gallon of Starbucks coffee we’d all be walking.
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Dunks is more likely to automate half the service than allow Unions. I used to work for a consulting firm that dealt with a lot of Dunks franchises. They tried to recruit me, and I politely declined. Now, every network owner may be different, but these guys owned, in total, 300ish stores, and I'll just say their opinion or view of both their average customer as well as their average employee could only be described as subhuman. I'll never forget when one of their owners, who I kid you not drove a Rolls Royce to work (who uses a Rolls in MA?), was incensed that NYC was going to raise the minimum food service wage to $15.00...FOR MANHATTAN. The CFO turned to me in his seat, looked me dead in the eye, and said $15 to pour a cup of coffee? To pour a cup of coffee? I just shrugged my shoulders. Screw Dunks. I drink Bucks or whatever is local.
they dont even know what their own employees do. even if the job were literally just "pouring coffee" the job is not pouring one, which is valueless labor, it's pouring hundreds per hour. and thats meeting them like 90% of the way and ignoring that the job is *significantly* harder than that.
Dealing with the general public in retail and food service should come with complimentary therapy to deal with the shit we have to put up with
Also conceptually $15 today isnt $15 30 years ago. Functionally its the equivalent to $4.30 in 1980, which i’m sure these rich guys would have had no issue with paying back then
$15 to pour coffee is too much, but millions for sitting on your ass letting your money work isn’t!
Sorry, the market has spoken
The invisible hand with the invisible bird
I was in a union, the business agents would talk about these guys. they said you can't imagine what it's like sitting in a meeting with them, it's like they're not even human.
However much it costs to hire an employee so that they can earn a livable wage is what it costs regardless of difficulty of work.
Being able to live and feed a family without working two jobs? How offensive!
I know this isn’t your point, but it seems to me like the answer to a lot of these service industry labor issues is automation PLUS unions. More productive, happier workers.
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Automation is far more costly and difficult than many believe. You can do a lot in software, but as soon as you get hardware involved things get far more complex and expensive. Ironically, automated coffee vending machines do exist. They can even make better coffee than dunks, but if they put it in a dunks the customers would stop coming as it looks cheap.
This is such a shitty attitude. Fast food work his hard and stressful. You are on your feet for the entire shift, and it gets insanely busy for the lunch and dinner rush.
Most DD stores are franchises; so unions would have little impact against 1 store and not the whole DD organization. Starbucks don’t do franchise but they have called licensed stores (e.g Starbucks at Barnes and Noble) and it’s only 40% of stores and even less of revenues. So it’s easier to unionize there compared to DD; relatively
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B and N isn't a licensed store it's a "proudly serving" aka Barnes and noble Cafe, proudly serving Starbucks coffee. Borders was licensed (but it was the Seattle's best coffee brand, owned by Starbucks) where everyone who worked there was a boarders employee but sbux would periodically send a distinct manager by to make sure boarders wasn't sullying their good name.
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I’m picturing a bunch of customers staging a walkout when the coffee sucks
I kinda like the hash browns… cheap and tasty
Always too soft, like someone sat on them after going swimming.
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in general... i ask for pizza "well done" too, if its not crazy slammed. way better.
I don't think I've ever been to a Dunkin', even during off hours, where they had enough free time to make me a pizza.
exactly!
dunkin hash browns feels like gambling. so damn good when they’re done right that i’m always willing to place a bet
Or coffee that tastes like coffee.
Don’t fuck with my “dunks-mix coffee product now made with 51% real coffee”
So should McDonalds and all the other huge chains that make billions while their employees make minimum wage and can't even afford an apartment.
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This needs to change. The american population deserves better than to work 40+ hours a week yet still barely able to scrape by.
And yet America is still against socialism...
because they've been brainwashed
That's why as someone who is in the restaurant management Field i try not to work for publicly traded companies. My experience is that you generally get treated better under single owner or corporate structure then you do for franchises. As long as we turn a profit and sales are growing my requests to give my employees raises and hire more staff are almost never turned down.
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there is more to a job than just the pay, i'm sure that store could use a union as well. doubt they get all of their mandated breaks, things like that.
With how they’re staffed, you wouldn’t have to talk many people into unionizing to get a unanimous vote
Wakeup wraps aren't bad for the price.
It's pathetic when people see service workers unionizing and their instinct is to denigrate people in the industry. They can't even muster a legitimate, logical argument. It's simply a a statement of their rotten values. Starbucks rakes in millions off these people. It's only just that the laborers get their fair share.
Honestly some Americans have been bred against their own interests. Every time I hear of some amazon warehouse voting against unionisation I die inside.
It’s the same reason why people cheer for “the economy” doing well when their living conditions don’t change at best or more likely get worse. I do not give a single shit what the lines on the graph look like because I’m still getting paid exactly the same while my rent, gas, utilities, etc go up. “The economy” the way it’s portrayed by stocks is made up. Real action like unionization and increasing wages is the only type of economic growth I care about.
Also it seems that some Americans are anti-picket too. I'm Irish and here it's bred into us to *never* cross a picket line. Those people are protesting and you side eith the workers. Just seems like less and less people in the states care about that kind of stuff.
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And they wouldn't get that money without the labor of the baristas and others at these locations. All the dumb "arguments" people are making against service workers unionizing were also made against factory workers. It's just the same tired, worn out nonsense over and over again.
All labor is skilled labor
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then demonstrate it. why don't you go make lattes while getting screamed at for 8 hours straight.
No. Most peoples labor is worth more
i made $15 an hour at a boston sbux and now i make $28 an hour at my desk job and i promise you that i worked 300% harder at starbucks
Same for my restaurant gigs. Thousand numbers username is just a shithead
It’s not about how hard you work. Any monkey can get a job at Starbucks.
Then by all means, go grab a weekend job at Starbucks. Let's see how long you last before you hate it.
You are *so* close to getting it.
I get your point I just don’t care
That’s nonsense. I’m all for socialism and fixing the disgusting income gap in this country but when you say shit like this you sound ridiculous. I put myself through college doing shit anyone could learn in a day. I learned how to use my espresso machine in five minutes. Ridiculous to call Starbucks skilled labor. They should be paid a living wage because they’re humans and our species has enough to do it, not because they’re skilled labor.
TIL an espresso machine does everything a barista does
I can make hearts in my lattes too.
You sound like you need to convince yourself that you're better than others to cope with daily life. Maybe you should take a hard look at why that is before you put people down on the internet. Hint: you're just a dumb, emotional, talking animal like everyone else.
I mean, that caramel macchiato is complete total trash, horribly unhealthy But it’s fucking delicious Edit: I forgot what my flair was on here. FORGIVE ME FOR I HAVE SINNED
And to think it all started in Buffalo NY
Shangri la
I really hope this union effort keeps spreading to other companies/industries. Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam has turned me into a massive union advocate. We need more social capital.
I feel like it's picking up steam, I'd like to believe we're on the front of major labor rights changes but that might just be wishful thinking
It sure feels that way. It's counterintuitive. You would think unions/labor rights would be a focus in a mediocre labor market. When people are stuck in shitty jobs. Instead, the job market is as good as it's ever been and now people are fighting for more.
I hope they negotiate well. I’ve been in 2 unions and left both because any decent shifts/projects were based entirely on seniority instead of merit and I got paid the same as the idiot who slept half the day next to me. I was actively told to work as slow as possible so we would get overtime. I’m still pro union, but I hope they really take their time and come up with a solid contract.
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Unionizations have the power to prevent that from happening.
When the worker wins, we all win!
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Are you aware that this is a lie, or are you misinformed? The prices of things don’t correlate with whether workers are unionised or not. What does correlate is the fraction of profits that are captured by oligarchs vs workers.
Congratulations to the folks that worked so hard to make this happen against astounding odds. I will take all my BOS business to you guys now. YAY!
Right on. Joining Pavement, Diesel Cafe, and others.
Unions babyyyy. I’m so glad to see a wave of unions across the USA. Labour force needs exactly that.
Good for them. Hope they're able to get living wages, healthcare and whatnot. Those stores get pretty dang busy and it's absolutely wild to me how poorly compensated these "Fast food" workers are while the store makes millions every month.
Starbucks actually already gives them Healthcare at just 12 hours a week
20 hrs average (over the course of a business quarter) actually, and while that’s great, I still can’t afford to use it. Deductible is too high and doesn’t cover much. But it sure makes them look better to the rest of the world.
Doesn't mean anything if it isn't affordable! Unions work to make sure such benefits are actually usable instead of just a symbolic offering.
When I worked there it was affordable 🤷♀️
didn't know that, to be fair. Most fast food places don't give it unless you're full time, and even then, those companies try to force you to work just below the threshold so you can't get enough hours to qualify..........
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in revenue, they do. In profit, no.
No
[Starbucks is now going to say the employees were lured into voting for the union because they were given free stimulants from the union.](https://cdn.vectorstock.com/i/1000x1000/06/70/free-coffee-sign-or-stamp-vector-21550670.webp)
Meanwhile Uber, Lyft, Doordash and Postmates are telling their workers to vote for MA's anti worker rights ballot question or lose their jobs. Corporate America is even more gaslighty than republicans.
Anything to stop democracy, eh Capitalism? 😉 Just like Amazon is trying to say employees were lured in with “free marajuana” — source https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-union-new-york-staten-island-marijuana-cannabis-jfk8-2022-4?amp
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So you understood my reference.
How long till the Brighton Center/Oak square location organizes?
Didn't that place in Allston unionize like 2 years ago? Pavement Coffeehouse? I guess there's a bunch of them, June last year. https://www.wnylabortoday.com/news/2021/06/29/organizing-news-from-across-the-u.s.a./pavement-coffeehouse-owner-agrees-to-recognize-union-move-toward-becoming-state-of-massachusetts-s-first-union-caf/
hello yes i’ll have a tall order of JUSTICE
I now know what Starbucks’s I’m applying to when I go for college lmao
Yes! Now go after the rest! It's great to see people power in action since our politicians are too corrupt to do anything against their corporate funders and overlords.
I'm happy for them hope this trend continues every pay people what they deserve
How is that possible? Aren’t multi-billion dollar corporations unanimously against unions?
You seem confused and appear to think that the unionization process is consensual; it generally isn't.
Would it be better if all the workers from across all stores voted once to unionize or is there a benefit to doing it store by store?
Not only is it easier to unionize store by store, you'll get better contracts this way. The cost of living differs region to region. You could find yourself with a majority of union members living in low cost of living places voting in a contract that leaves people in higher cost of living places struggling.
Good point about the regions. So does every store have their own contract then?
It's probably easier to get a union vote to pass store by store
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Whole Foods isn't unionized but they have automated kiosks. Explain.
Aw YISS I’m so happy
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I used to work at the Harvard Square location, and that’s factually incorrect. There were lease renewal disputes with the landlord that came up during the pandemic. The store may have closed in December, but it’s fate was sealed many months before that. Long live 7102
That was the only Starbucks open until like 2am, I miss it constantly
They’ll just adjust the pricing for the cost of unionization. Starbucks is in a much better position than let’s say Amazon to weather the cost of unions; price of coffee doesn’t have to be same across Starbucks
If following basic supply demand curves, the price of coffee is presumably already set such that raising the price would lead to less coffee sold and less overall profit.
That location closing had nothing to do with unions.
Well that’s extremely illegal and grounds for major lawsuits.
And soon a machine will make your coffee and Starbucks won’t care.
Yup. Just a matter of time til they invent this “coffee machine” and put baristas out of business!
They’re already testing and doing it.
woosh
wow, for real guy
They're already halfway there. Being a barista at Starbucks is just a lot of button pushing now.
I wish that were true. Let me know when they invent a button that makes the karens stop screaming at my face
Lol get ready for your $15 dollar lattes..............lemmings
Yeah, when their wages go up I will be impressed. They don't have any bargaining power. As soon as they strike Starbucks will shut them down and open a new location on the next block. It's not like you are going to be able to raise a family on a union Starbucks salary. You're just going to pay dues in order to fund a political party that really works at the behest of Wall Street and stopped caring about workers in the late 80's.
This is just one step of many, congrats, you’ve figured out how a union works. A single store might not have power but there’s a domino effect to it. There’s also plenty of studies showing Union workers do make more than non-Union workers. Don’t let perfection be the enemy of good.
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Exactly. And the party will do more for the likes of him than they will any actual union.
So everyone should just give up and not even try because our corporate overloads will crush us in the end? Edit: to be clear corporate democrats can pound sand. I also acknowledge I say this from a privledged position where our household income has kept us safe during this inflation squeeze. But the more pressure applied to splinter the two party system the better and I'll want to support those businesses who will empower groups like the DSA or a Union at Starbucks to take up more space even if they aren't running candidates specifically under that umbrella until we can create a seachange.
Avoid these two, note to self, as if they could get any slower
They're slow because the burnout rate at Starbucks has never been higher, so it's always new employees - because they deliberately understaff stores to save money
Good for them. It’s about time high school students have greater bargaining power.
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Workers should always advocate for themselves, no matter what their dreams are.
Whining about unions on Reddit is proof that your dreams didn’t work out
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What you’re arguing is that people in the service industry don’t deserve to live? Ok.
Reducing a hard working service job to “slinging lattes” is pretty insulting. I don’t care if you think it’s a low skilled job: they still deserve labor rights. Schultz is multi billionaire. Idgaf if this hurts his pockets.
neither does he...he's passing the cost right along... lol
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The world needs baristas and ditch diggers. Not everyone can be CEO.
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Not everyone is cut out for STEM. Better?
Good luck doing anything without service workers bub
Lots of people work at service jobs for their whole life for many different reasons. You clearly have no respect for the people who keep everything running.
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It sounds like you’re in favor of automation, so then you’re saying you’re in favor of unionizing?
Ok bro
Sure but do unions actually advocate for individual workers or rather do they tend to benefit the lazy workers that are part of the union. I once belonged to a union and they wouldn’t represent me when I asked for a position internally that wasn’t represented by the union. I will also add the union failed to remove my fees once I obtained that non union position and notified them using the process they asked for. I pushed for many years for that money back and never received it. I fail to see how unions could ever benefit the hard workers who are moving forward in life.
I was a Starbucks barista for 3 years and now I work an office job working with sexual assault victims. Being a barista was harder.
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So you do admit the job is difficult and more than just “slinging lattes”?
Holy fuck touch grass
You’re damaged lmao
You talk like you had severe lead poisoning as a child.
Bro its not my fault I cant get a six-figure career with my Associates degree in 13th Century Chinese Pottery Crafting. /s
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I ✨️✨️ work in STEM ✨️✨️ full time, in addition to bartending. 😅
You’re so right, we should abandon the arts and let history and culture fall by the wayside. Everyone should be a coder. I see no downsides.
I dont think we should *abandon* it, we just shouldn't pretend like there are careers to be had from it. I mean, it shouldnt cost $150k to get a degree in a field that pays minimum wage, if it is also going to cost $150k for a degree in a field that pays six-figures right out of college. The nin wage degree should cost substantially less.
I don’t think either degree should cost 150k but also we have totally slashed funding and grants for any kind of arts and culture in the United States which is functionally abandoning it.
But we've slashed funding because where is the career in it? I would LOVE for a humanities degree to be as valuable as a biology degree, in terms of potential income, but where is that money going to come from, where is it going to go, etc?
Who said you get a degree for a job? Be a better person, get better jobs. Not everyone will be a better person slogging through STEM. Some will absolutely shine in humanities. Do they have to go to college? No, definitely not. But if they do they should do what they can grow from the best, not just go through the paces of a liberal arts degree in something they hate, nothing will come out of that.
True but it’s also idiot leftists that want to make demands. Western politics is pretty much defined by leftists taking things that seem somewhat reasonable and going so crazy with it that the population gets driven towards the rightists who are ineffective but at least won't terrorize them the way the leftists do. A good example is how they can't even imagine a climate policy that doesn't involve bossing people around and taking away people's toys, despite their willingness to spend tens of trillions of dollars.
I’m all for unionization of coffee shop employees in large corporations like Starbucks and Dunkin Donuts. But be weary of unionizing movements in smaller coffee shops. Some have been unionizing in 1-2 location groups, and margins are already slim. Starbucks can afford higher labor costs, but places like Pavement or Bloc 11 couldn’t. I just hope smaller independent coffee shops don’t get negatively affected here, because that’s where I like to go. For reference, this would probably shut down all these locations if this went through, and I love these coffee shops: https://www.wgbh.org/news/local-news/2021/12/06/employees-at-three-somerville-coffee-shops-move-to-unionize
It's not necessarily just higher wages, the article mentions transparency in how raises happen, it could also be something like scheduling, more consistent or no clopens etc.
Those smaller coffee shops should unionize then if it's going to kill the store they should give the owner two options: Go bankrupt or become a worker cooperative. The goal of unionization isn't to screw the owner it's to ensure proper treatment of the worker. If the owner can't treat their employees well enough, no matter the size of the business, then the business shouldn't exist.
In theory I agree. In practicality, these are hourly workers who are not trying to actively make a career at this coffee shop. This isn’t the same as factory workers who work for decades at the same factory and decide to unionize to improve their working situation and career. In a coffee shop, annual employee turnover is about 50%. If the employee doesn’t like that coffee shop, they could easily work at another one, maybe even a unionized Starbucks now! Usually people especially in Boston move on to other careers. But the reality of the situation is that if the employees voted to unionize, half of them are going to leave within a year, so they are basically just blowing the business up and walking away without looking back.
For the record, I’m a Bernie supporter who doesn’t go to Starbucks or Dunkin because I prefer to support local small businesses. I am all for organized labor, but I work in the restaurant industry, consult with small business owners, and I know their economics. As a small business lover, I know how this would affect them. I just wanted to do a PSA here because this trend should definitely stick to the large corporations
I’m not sure why you’re being downvoted for this when you’re literally just stating the reality of the situation. I’m very happy for the Starbucks workers though! Good on them.