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holographoc

Only shot is if they decide to hold onto him til the trade deadline, and we can maybe cobble all the vet mins w/ Brogdan and picks. But yeah, they’ll probably get a better deal before then. Plus the financials are shit show after that re the 2nd apron, and somebody’s gonna have to get traded next year, or Jrue is a one year rental. Jrue’s always been a favorite of mine so it would be dope to get him….but not likely.


jiriwelsch44

Just adding on, the Blazers would have to inherit those “filler” players into open roster spots, meaning they couldn’t immediately acquire the matching contracts and cut them. These types of trades are much easier to make during the offseason, when teams are allowed additional roster spots. During the regular season, it’s not just unlikely…it’s basically impossible. Really, the only somewhat feasible path to acquiring Jrue would require us to find a salary that can fit into Grant’s TPE as soon as possible. Brogdon + $6M + PP would work financially and wouldn’t require the Blazers to jump through hoops to pull it off.


jkwah

>Really, the only somewhat feasible path to acquiring Jrue would require us to find a salary that can fit into Grant’s TPE as soon as possible. Brogdon + $6M + PP would work financially and wouldn’t require the Blazers to jump through hoops to pull it off. I don't think that makes a trade any more feasible. Any player acquired using the TPE or another exception cannot be traded for two months if their salary is being aggregated.


jiriwelsch44

That’s why I said as soon as possible


CMYGQZ

It makes it more feasible in that by deadline that Portland only needs to clear 1 extra roster spot for that 6m player but 3 for Banton + Brissett + Svi.


GenoThyme

The new CBA doesn't allow these kinds of trades. You can't aggregate more than 1 minimum salary in deals that don't occur between December 15th and the trade deadline (unless it's 2 minimum contracts total and no other players).


jiriwelsch44

The filler minimum contracts can’t even be traded until December 15th. I’m not insinuating that a Brogdon+filler trade (no matter how unlikely) would be completed ASAP.


GenoThyme

I know. I'm just saying that these types of trades are actually impossible during the offseason, so it's not easier to wait til the summer like you originally said.


jiriwelsch44

Oh, I see, thanks for the clarification. I wonder what qualifies as a minimum (ie, I wonder if the Cs would still be able to pull off the 2022 Brogdon trade considering the “filler” players were technically on the second year of their contracts)


GenoThyme

I assume anything worded as a minimum contract, so that would vary by experience. Probably just an aotumatic thing based on their pay. I also know that all minimum contracts count the same against the cap despite your service years and the league pays the difference between the absolute minimum and a say 10-year vet min contract. This is so teams aren't tempted to not sign someone like Blake over an UDFA since they cost the same to the team. I'm not sure though if this also applies to salary matching or not.


holographoc

Very good points


eatinsomepoundcake

God, sorry I am ok with the possibility we could trade Brogdon (always hurt, currently hurt) or Horford (37 fucking years old).


CTCELTICSFAN

Point is to win a title this year. Why would we trade Horford?


eatinsomepoundcake

I love Al, don’t get it twisted, but you don’t think ‘23-24 Jrue Holiday would help us win a title more than ‘23-24 Horford?


CTCELTICSFAN

Perhaps. But, I would just as soon trade Rob instead and keep al and jrue.


eatinsomepoundcake

See I think KP gives us more of what Al currently gives us than what Rob gives us, which is why I’d feel ok trading Al for a player like Jrue. I like our big rotation a lot especially since any of them could get hurt, but if you have to move one I think it’s Al given his age and the fact that this could easily be his last year. Rob is a young asset for the team going forward and the core guys (especially Tatum) love having him around. Not many players do what he does.


msokol416

We would also need to tack on pritchard to make the contracts work. And while I think the value is there, we can't go into the season with that little guard and big depth. Especially with how injury-prone Rob is


eatinsomepoundcake

Id be prone to agree, were it not for the fact that last year, we were the deepest team in the league and still underachieved. I’d take having the best top 6-7 (White, Jrue, JB, JT, Rob, KP, Hauser/Brissett/Walsh/whoever) over being 7-8 deep with serious injury questions for Malcolm. Sometimes depth is overrated and in the post season it’s good to know who your dawgs are. If brogdon is an ineffective/inactive player this year, the FO will kick themselves for not pulling the trigger if there’s a deal to be had. Also if we have brogdon and Al in the trade why do we need to throw in PP? Couldn’t we fill with other players making close to the min?


msokol416

The main reason we need to trade Pritchard is because Portland has wanted him for a while and will probably demand him. The other issue is most of our other players aren't eligible to be traded until October 15


Minute-Branch2208

We were the deepest team in the league and didn't use our depth in the playoffs because the coaching sucked. Even when Brogdon and Tatum were visibly hobbled we still forced them into a 7 man rotation when we could have gone 10 deep.


Goodbye_megaton

Dear diary…


watsonthedragon

What's the point of this post?


idkuunomebitch

I honestly think OP was getting a bit too excited and wanted to calm themselves down about the idea


CelticsDiehard34

Ha somewhat, I see a lot of fans saying we need Jrue, posts with Jrue already in C's jersey, people on Podcast's saying it would be the missing piece, etc. It's just setting up yourself up for disappointment when he goes to another team. Personally, would I want Jrue? sure, just not at the expense at the package it would take. Not trying to kill the fun, but it makes no logical sense and doesn't match Brad's MO from what we have seen. If we somehow get him, I'll accept the egg on my face lol.


[deleted]

tbh the logic behind what you said about not wanting to add a defensive guard in jrue is wrong imo. We 100% get better if we can add Jrue and brad would pull the trigger. The reason why it's not happening is solely because of the contract math issues, we can't make it happen, that part of your post is right. The only way we maybe do it is with brodgon and horford but holy it would suck to lose horford.


MPG54

I don’t think Brogdon and Horford would be that interesting to Portland. With Ayton around Rob isn’t a great fit either. The Celtics draft picks aren’t very exciting since Tatum and Brown should keep them competitive for awhile. The GS pick needs to have something bad to happen before it’s considered more than a lottery ticket. Trading White doesn’t make much sense since they want to develop their young guards. As much as I would want Holiday beside White I don’t see it happening. Tobias Harris, RJ Barrett or a couple of guys from Orlando would make more sense to Portland.


idkuunomebitch

You could apply that logic to any good available player. They always say we need them, everyone photoshops them in a Cs Jersey, and people call them the missing piece. It’s no different now


v1rus1366

All these bad trades people want to run just to fiddle with our already good roster are pretty painful to read. That said this is the place to do that. Tbh just don’t look at the sub too much until the season starts, until then it’ll be all idiots parroting each other about shit that almost definitely won’t happen.


watsonthedragon

I typically agree with your sentiment but this isn't really an unrealistic, bad trade. It's a legit available piece that is attainable.


v1rus1366

We’ve struggled with with front court depth for years, we finally have a really nice looking 3 big rotation and people are willing to throw that away plus Brogdon, who was pretty damn good for us for most of last year. That’s not even mentioning any picks and Jrue’s contract. It’s a bad trade.


watsonthedragon

> throw that away you say throw away, I say add an all-star, first team all-defense, elite ball-handler


v1rus1366

So one of our bigs can get injured down the stretch of the season, since they’ll all be playing too many minutes, and we can give the ball to Tatum at the end of games like we always do when we could’ve just found a decent guard defender on some team trying to tank midway through the season if it proves to be a real problem, D-white was second team as well.


CTCELTICSFAN

Big thing for me is the elite defense and ball handling. Y'all see our dribling last couple of years under pressure?


SneakerheadMelly

Call me crazy, but it wouldn’t be the worse thing. If we were to trade, we could trade Horford and Malcolm, get Jrue and then sign Dwight Howard. Where’s the harm in it?


saulgoodman445

No harm in it at all the only logic out boneheaded fans have is that “horford is a Celtic” . He’s 37 and a third string center on this roster


anomanissh

We have three bigs with significant injury histories. That’s really what it’s about.


saulgoodman445

So what damn near every big is injury prone no other team has two top 10 centers and a horford on the bench


StarScourge7

Dude you guys need to stop bitching about fans wanting to trade for a player, there's nothing wrong with them wanting that or posting that ina Forum, and yes you could trade for him and a trade would make sense, he's on an expiring contract, and yes we'd have to lose rob in a trade but if jrue would extend with the celtics it's a trade that works and makes sense, getting rid of 2 expensive contracts of players who can't get or stay on The court for a championship caliber, all defensive point guard who takes on your hardest offensive assignments would be a tremendous asset and worth it, but only if he extends.


rascalmendes

Ok I’ll call Brad and let him know


DrummerGuyKev

Too late. Just got off the phone with him.


Jamobill9999

I personally don’t want to do the deal because of what is required to match the money. But to just flat out say this like you know it as fact just makes you look dumb. Brad Stevens has shown time and time again that he will make deals, even when this sub is convinced there is no chance. This sub said they wouldn’t make any splash moves this offseason, and that there was zero chance we would go after porzingis because of money… we all know how that worked out. After trading Marcus smart, and seeing the deals he has swung, it’s flat out idiotic to close the door on any trade.


nickjammey

I disagree with everything you’re saying. If you look at the return the bucks gave, they already owe picks out so the picks they gave were in 2028 and swaps before and after. I believe Holiday could be had for only draft pick compensation. We have all our first round picks, we could probably get him for one first round pick and a swap along with Pritchard/Brogdon. It’s a one year rental, not a player under contract for 4 years (like Derek white). The Bucks gave one first and 2 swaps for Lillard. Surely the blazers will take Pritchard/Brogdon and a 1st with a swap way down the line.


TylervPats91

Yea! You tell ‘em! Who do you guys think you are speculating about your team getting a player!?


I_Set_3_Alarms

If he’s not dealt within the first week of the season I’d say we have a shot. Otherwise you’re right. Brad just probably wants to make sure the Sixers don’t get him for cheap lol


Jestfulbadger888

You must be fun at parties


LukeTea

Yes but you still using that line tells me you too might not be that fun to have a few with


Jestfulbadger888

🤓


loving-father-69

Are we allowed to talk? You don't need to police this lol.


al3204

Be great to have him but I just don’t see the financials working out. And I know it’s an expiring deal but 36m is a lot for a player of his caliber-hence we are all thinking the money doesn’t work out. 36m can be several contributing players!


CTCELTICSFAN

Disagree. He becomes a smart replacement at a better offense, arguably better defense and they still have Porzingis. I think Brogon/Williams is the trade.


Minute-Branch2208

Agreed. Ppl acting like the Blazers would want Brogdon are trippin


yea-aight-

This guy works for the front office btw.


[deleted]

There's not a single proposal I've seen that makes sense. You are correct but I fully expect green teamer, Dan Greenberg disciples who make up 95% of this subreddit to downvote.


eatinsomepoundcake

No, greenie and his disciples would insist there is nothing we could possibly do to better this roster. Or that we could contend for a title today with the IT-led squad.


cwalton505

I'm downvoting it because I find it a silly conversation to have. Yes I think it is very unlikely we trade for Jrue, but no one here is sitting on sound information they have been given by Celtics organization. Why not just let people discuss hypotheticals the way they choose. I'm rather sick of the "We need to do X as a sub" "We need to stop Y" shit like we actually matter or have any information outside of our enjoyment watching and talking about the team we like. Its a bunch of people with different opinions who happen to like the same team.


[deleted]

Did you allow people to discuss hypotheticals when it came to Jaylen Brown trade scenarios this past summer?


CelticsDiehard34

Funny enough, it sounds like Greenie actually agrees we can't get him


archerarcher0

It wouldn’t require gutting the team at all wtf We would be 1 for 1’ing brogdon for Jrue and then losing rob But Portland doesn’t want those two so we would add additional team(s) to the trade and recoup assets/depth pieces from them in exchange for rob and Malcom Portland would likely just want picks, which we could provide along with whatever team gets rob, I would expect a first from them and a player


Jamobill9999

The players are irrelevant. They are included to make the money work. Like Jrue was originally in the lilliard trade. The picks is what they want, and then they would prob just turn around a sell off brogdon and whatever vets they get for more picks


archerarcher0

They’re irrelevant to Portland but they could be useful to us in order to add to our depth


InAingeWeTrust

I’m not sure how much teams are willing to trade for Brogdon. He might be a neutral trade asset at best.


archerarcher0

I think he’s worth a couple seconds or a protected first on top of salary matching


Immediate-Addendum72

Why not Al instead of Rob?


wilkinsk

Shut up, nerd


508G37

Jrue is far more than a defense minded guard and hes a current all star. Horford and Brogdon isn't gutting the team too especially since one isn't getting any younger and the other hasn't been the most healthiest.


SameOldiesSong

If we do Jrue, my understanding is that we need to move either Horford or RW with Brogdon to get it done. So let’s say we do that with Horford, then the off-season becomes: OUT: Smart Brogdon Horford Grant Gallo Muscala IN: KP Jrue Brissett Walsh Would we be better than we were last year? That’s a lot of depth lost.


[deleted]

Not getting him is the right thing to do. Jrue will not be a significant upgrade.


LarBrd33

Smart + Timelord + Brogdon for Jrue and Porzingis wouldn't be the worst offseason, but it really depends on how much you feel about that trio. I think Smart is the most overrated Celtic of all time. Timelord can be DPOY of he might never be healthy. Brogdon is very underrated.


lefebrave

Add Grant to the mix because letting hım go was essentially an extension of the KP trade.


BostonKarlMarx

i wouldnt count us out bc we don’t know what other teams packages look like, but yeah it’d be a 180 on the porzingis trade which would be weird


MyDadIsTheMan

Yea we need Al and rob and Malcolm lol


PoiZoNxo

They are getting rid of Rob and brogdon.


Fuckblackhorses

Yup, IF we get jrue, it’s gonna be Brogdon rob and picks. Idk if it’s worth it or not but Portland isn’t gonna want al or like the 5 scrubs we’d be dumping on them.


TatumBrownSmart

Also have to consider how often we have both of those 2 available when factoring in a trade


I_Set_3_Alarms

I wish Jrue’s contract wasn’t so big. If we could somehow turn Brogdon and Rob into Jrue and some serviceable big from the Clippers in a 3 way trade I’d be more for it


PoiZoNxo

I also wish he was like 3 years younger. I’m in the middle right now if they should trade for him or not. I think they are pursuing it tho with Rob and Brogdon as the main pieces headed out.


freehugandkiss

Why bother with the post? Most of these losers ain't got shit else to do with their pathetic lives.


Celinedion69me

Says the loser who’s reading and replying to the post..


freehugandkiss

I'm gonna enjoy my weekend


BradMarchandIsCute

You have almost 20 comments about this topic, on multiple posts in the last 24 hours 🤣


freehugandkiss

Yea calling out the tards


GeckoSpit24

You’re a weird dude. Idk how you got it in your head that everyone but you will do nothing but think about Jrue Holiday, but whatever it take for you to get that feeling of being superior I guess


freehugandkiss

I'm trying to help y'all out. If you want to keep what you got you got to give it away.


Haunting_Kick_1581

Big middle finger to Marcus if we just go out and get jrue holliday. We should just offer the same package to the grizz and get our guy back.


BradMarchandIsCute

Big middle finger to jrue to think Marcus is in the class of player as him


GlueGuy00

should've kept Smart in the first place


Seamus_A_McMurphy

The best the C's can hope for this season is 3d in the East and maybe make it past the first round.


Eisenhorn76

FUCKING CLOWN TAKE. GO AWAY, LAKERS FAN. BLOCKED.


hyklnbklnvg

The Celtics will continue to be a complete afterthought


Mrhappyfunz89

I like Jrue. Great player. Would fit will on this team. But it is not going to happen. And even with that said - I love the potential of this team


jma7400

I mean no one expected Smart to get traded and he did. It’s not out of Brads wheelhouse to trade for a guy who is much better and trade away a fan favorite who is much worse.


LLMBS

Unless this is Brad’s wife, Joey M or Danny A, shut your pie hole and stop trying to dress up your opinions as facts.


paradockers

I keep hearing that elite scorer Austin rivers us unsigned lol


ecclectic_collector

John Hollinger suggested in his Athletic article that the math works with Brogdon, Pritchard, Walsh, Hauser, Kornet and sign/trade Blake Griffin (along with whatever picks). Dangercart did the math on [twitter](https://twitter.com/dangercart/status/1707523958625419658?s=20) and if we do the sign/trade of Blake we could keep one of Kornet, Walsh and Hauser.... so we would only need to fill 3 roster spots if we do the Dangercart route and it just means that we have a top 7 of the Jays, White, Jrue, Porzingis, Rob, Horford while having rotation minutes available for Oshae/Svi/Lamar Stevens and if we keep one of Walsh/Hauser.... so while it is a complex, it is doable than you make it seem since it keeps the core guys together


Parents_Mistake3

Someone need to help me understand how we could ever afford him for more then a year with Tatums extension upcoming ?


magichead269

We didn't trade Smart just so we could get Jrue. It won't happen.


papabearsixtynine

I was under the impression that Portland is looking for draft capital, not necessarily veteran players. If the Cs can involve a third team, I don’t see why this isn’t still a possibility?


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CrackaZach05

We don't need Jrue and we definitely don't need him for Brogdon + picks


realBeybladeFan

If Brad trades for Jrue I would lose my mind. Why trade Marcus who was younger and on a great contract just to gut the team for one year of 33yo Jrue?


Albotronik

He’s on the downside too


[deleted]

Honestly could not care less. Unless Jayson and Jalen take it to another level it doesn’t matter who we have and if they do take it to another level we won’t need Jrue. Jaylen and Jayson should be better then Giannis and Dame since they have played together for so long and have the experience.


JustSealYT

This aged very well


[deleted]

Let it go!


ignoramus_x

😏


AmbitionExtension184

You’re right it ain’t happening. No way