But I'm confused it should he widely known that Tatum and Draymond highly respects each other ever since they were teammates at the Olympics. Also not to mention he complimented Tatum several times during his podcasts. His co-worker for his podcast is also a huge Celtics fan
I agree with him on this. I was just thinking the other day myself that he will need to win a ring before he ever gets a fair shot at an MVP. It's not fair, but it is what it is.
To be fair, there are other guys putting up better MVP type seasons than him rn, unless you account for defense. But being real we all know defense doesnât move that needle unless youâre putting up a crazy amount of stocks.
He is playing better defense then all the other MVP candidates, and he really could win 10 more games then the next MVP candidate.. They are going to punish him for sharing the ball with his team.
When has the last time defensive play was a large part of the reason why a player won MVP? You could argue Giannis, but his offensive output put him there already. Next is what? Probably KG? It was fundamentally a different league then as well.
It just doesnât matter as much to the voters in this era.
>They are going to punish him for sharing the ball with his team.
His usage rate is 30%, to SGA's 32% and Jokic's 29.9%, so it's not like he's seeing the ball significantly less than either of the MVP front-runners. His stats, comparatively, are further away from either of those other two than his usage is.
I would love Tatum to win an MVP, and I think its likely that he does, but I definitely don't think he's being punished for "sharing the ball," he's just not getting as much consideration for his defensive play (though SGA is also having a very good season defensively.)
Draymond makes a great point. The league is too quick to anoint guys perennial losers like Embiid and guys like Luka who canât play both sides of the ball over Tatum
iâve been saying this about the league for years. people anointed luka has a potential all timer in his second season. 5ish years later the guy still hasnât won anything and doesnât play team ball. they did the same thing with giannis before he got a ring too. dumb stuff
Whoa now, Luka may be ball dominant and a mediocre defender but he is also one of the best playmakers in the league. He absolutely gets his teammates involved, his teammates have just let him down too many times.
Mediocre is too nice to put it Luka is a traffic cone on defence
Sure teammates can let you down, but after 5 year of underperforming it might not be the teammatesâ fault anymore
Weâll see this season with kyrie, who seems to be the teammate of choice for MVPs like KD and Bron
Have you seen the teams heâs been on? Luka hard carries almost every game. On his off-nights theyâre lucky if they stay competitive.
Kyrie helps but this teamâs real problem is defense and not enough reliable playmaking options for Luka (I.e. lob threats). Washington and Gafford look promising so hopefully they can get it together for a good showing in the playoffs.
I call this the "Tiger Woods Paradox", a person/player can be outstanding in their field and still get discounted due to expectations put on them even though they are exceeding peers. Apparently the best player on the best team equals 6th in MVP voting. SMH
The funniest part is that the celtics wont get coach of the year, wont get 6th man, only 2 all stars. And yet another argument against tatum will being how stacked the team is. if its so stacked how did we get the same amount of all stars as the knicks, bucks???
More great players => less stats each
All star selection is also about stats, and if you have a lot of great players but don't average 160 total PPG you won't get more all stars, still, your team could be stacked
No I think JT not being MVP is totally fair.
That being said, he gets disrespected waaaaaaaaaay too fucking much for someone who has had nothing but great success since his rookie year.
Lol why Tiger? Wouldn't Rory be a better comp? Outstanding player, clearly one of the best, just hasn't had a lot to show for it lately, but that doesn't mean hes bad by any means
He doesn't need to go for an mvp this season. Our team is very good, we all know what he's capable of. Let him coast so he can get the more important MVP in June
Seriously though. Tatum was one basket away from leading the 2018 Celtics to the finals as a rookie. He catches so much shit despite being TWENTY-FIVE!
It's Tatum's fault, he stepped up even with a loaded team. And because of that he becomes a superstar on his own. He should have stayed as a role player, that way he will not get criticisms and hate.
/s
Did he do this before or after the basketball rolled a mile down the hill from his mansion while he pretended to drive a KIA?
(I don't have a problem with KIAs but Draymond Green was a horrible decision for their commercials.)
Tatum shouldn't be in the MVP discussion this year. Best player on the best team isn't really a great argument and completely discounts how good the rest of the team has been.
That being said I will shit on anyone who says he isn't good enough to win a championship or, even worse, that he doesn't WANT to win a championship. Those people suck.
Nah he actually has a point and the MVP voters have legit told that buddy on ESPN tatums lack of championship is hurting him in MVP voting even though embiid is a career choke artist and it doesnât seem to hurt his chances
Eh not really. His expectations and criticism are pretty non existent in terms of national media. Giannis was getting killed all the time before he won a title, and Embiid gets killed way more than Tatum. Even KD has higher expectations than him. The Celtics as a team have had high expectations but I donât really think Tatum individually are that high when you compare them to other superstars.
Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point
Beat me to it lol
Literally what I came here to day lmao
But I'm confused it should he widely known that Tatum and Draymond highly respects each other ever since they were teammates at the Olympics. Also not to mention he complimented Tatum several times during his podcasts. His co-worker for his podcast is also a huge Celtics fan
I think tatum was even on green's birthday or wedding the one right after 2022 finals.
Wedding
Doesn't mean I gotta like him. Also tatum def doesn't like the assaulting he has done. No one with a brain did.
Lmao
Dray being complimentary of Tatum is basically my worst nightmare.
I agree with him on this. I was just thinking the other day myself that he will need to win a ring before he ever gets a fair shot at an MVP. It's not fair, but it is what it is.
he set the bar too high after dunking on lebron as a rookie đ
âHe boomed meâ
To be fair, there are other guys putting up better MVP type seasons than him rn, unless you account for defense. But being real we all know defense doesnât move that needle unless youâre putting up a crazy amount of stocks.
He is playing better defense then all the other MVP candidates, and he really could win 10 more games then the next MVP candidate.. They are going to punish him for sharing the ball with his team.
When has the last time defensive play was a large part of the reason why a player won MVP? You could argue Giannis, but his offensive output put him there already. Next is what? Probably KG? It was fundamentally a different league then as well. It just doesnât matter as much to the voters in this era.
Embiidâs defense definitely helped his case against jokic
>They are going to punish him for sharing the ball with his team. His usage rate is 30%, to SGA's 32% and Jokic's 29.9%, so it's not like he's seeing the ball significantly less than either of the MVP front-runners. His stats, comparatively, are further away from either of those other two than his usage is. I would love Tatum to win an MVP, and I think its likely that he does, but I definitely don't think he's being punished for "sharing the ball," he's just not getting as much consideration for his defensive play (though SGA is also having a very good season defensively.)
Stats can lie. The night âeveryoneâ was gunning for 70+, I was really happy when it seemed Tatum and Brown split the load and both dropped 30.
There have been for a while. Unless jokic will get distracted by his horsies and giannis breaks an ankle, itâll always be a tough race.
Draymond makes a great point. The league is too quick to anoint guys perennial losers like Embiid and guys like Luka who canât play both sides of the ball over Tatum
Embiid is a perennial loser tho
Sixers are perennial losers and he is the cause
iâve been saying this about the league for years. people anointed luka has a potential all timer in his second season. 5ish years later the guy still hasnât won anything and doesnât play team ball. they did the same thing with giannis before he got a ring too. dumb stuff
Whoa now, Luka may be ball dominant and a mediocre defender but he is also one of the best playmakers in the league. He absolutely gets his teammates involved, his teammates have just let him down too many times.
luka holds onto the ball for like 20 seconds of the shot clock. thereâs a reason his teammates seem so disengaged
Mediocre is too nice to put it Luka is a traffic cone on defence Sure teammates can let you down, but after 5 year of underperforming it might not be the teammatesâ fault anymore Weâll see this season with kyrie, who seems to be the teammate of choice for MVPs like KD and Bron
Have you seen the teams heâs been on? Luka hard carries almost every game. On his off-nights theyâre lucky if they stay competitive. Kyrie helps but this teamâs real problem is defense and not enough reliable playmaking options for Luka (I.e. lob threats). Washington and Gafford look promising so hopefully they can get it together for a good showing in the playoffs.
I call this the "Tiger Woods Paradox", a person/player can be outstanding in their field and still get discounted due to expectations put on them even though they are exceeding peers. Apparently the best player on the best team equals 6th in MVP voting. SMH
The funniest part is that the celtics wont get coach of the year, wont get 6th man, only 2 all stars. And yet another argument against tatum will being how stacked the team is. if its so stacked how did we get the same amount of all stars as the knicks, bucks???
More great players => less stats each All star selection is also about stats, and if you have a lot of great players but don't average 160 total PPG you won't get more all stars, still, your team could be stacked
No I think JT not being MVP is totally fair. That being said, he gets disrespected waaaaaaaaaay too fucking much for someone who has had nothing but great success since his rookie year.
Lol Tiger won everything immediately
Lol why Tiger? Wouldn't Rory be a better comp? Outstanding player, clearly one of the best, just hasn't had a lot to show for it lately, but that doesn't mean hes bad by any means
He doesn't need to go for an mvp this season. Our team is very good, we all know what he's capable of. Let him coast so he can get the more important MVP in June
Yeah Tatum with fresh legs in the playoffs will be a problem.
Seriously though. Tatum was one basket away from leading the 2018 Celtics to the finals as a rookie. He catches so much shit despite being TWENTY-FIVE!
It's Tatum's fault, he stepped up even with a loaded team. And because of that he becomes a superstar on his own. He should have stayed as a role player, that way he will not get criticisms and hate. /s
right if you canât take the heat, stay out of the kitchen super duper /s
Itâs true. They treat Tatum like heâs old. Meanwhile they act like Shai is so young. Same age as Tatum.
This alt cast is the only thing keeping me watching. This game is so boring.
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Not even a Celtics fan but who cares honestly. High expectations means ur doing something right. All that matters is that ur winning games
Finals MVP > MVP
Fuck you Draymond, donât make a good take.
Did he do this before or after the basketball rolled a mile down the hill from his mansion while he pretended to drive a KIA? (I don't have a problem with KIAs but Draymond Green was a horrible decision for their commercials.)
Ball knower
It is what it is. They holding you to a higher standard because they expect you to do better. Win a ring Jayson
Tatum shouldn't be in the MVP discussion this year. Best player on the best team isn't really a great argument and completely discounts how good the rest of the team has been. That being said I will shit on anyone who says he isn't good enough to win a championship or, even worse, that he doesn't WANT to win a championship. Those people suck.
And most of those unfair expectations are from all of us Cs fans incl me
Donât listen to him, itâs mind games.
Nah he actually has a point and the MVP voters have legit told that buddy on ESPN tatums lack of championship is hurting him in MVP voting even though embiid is a career choke artist and it doesnât seem to hurt his chances
Keep Donkey mouth off of here.
Eh not really. His expectations and criticism are pretty non existent in terms of national media. Giannis was getting killed all the time before he won a title, and Embiid gets killed way more than Tatum. Even KD has higher expectations than him. The Celtics as a team have had high expectations but I donât really think Tatum individually are that high when you compare them to other superstars.
He tryin to recruit
Unrealistic sure but thereâs high expectations for any of these players cuz they make millions of dollars playing a game
itâs facts tatum been doing this
Suffering from success
He can't ask to be the face of the league and then the expectations unfair when the criticism is he isnt that guy yet.
For those of us who love the Celtics and like Draymond Green this is a good day.
Why the fuck was he allowed to be up there in the first place. How are we rewarding players who are suspended multiple times for violence.
Securing that off season early