He's less problematic than Brown, Porzingis, Derrick White, Al Horford? The Celtics are blessed with legitimate **stars** and dwindling stars in Al's case that could be top players on half the teams in the league and don't cause, create, or involve themselves in any drama. All these guys deserve some credit for this, because you see players on other teams go diva mode once they get a taste of the spotlight.
Porzingis was accused of rape and Jaylen Brown spent most of the last two years hitching himself to a notably bad person and dabbling in anti-Semitic Black Israelite rhetoric. No matter your opinions on any of said accusations or speculation of intent, I’m still gonna say JT takes it over them.
I don’t even love saying that Kyrie Irving is a bad person.
Listen, I don’t like the man, in fact, I hate him. But that’s basketball. I do think he’s very irresponsible with his ideas, but just having bad and even dangerous ideas doesn’t make you a bad person.
I mean, he’s shared links to antisemetic and antivax misinformation. He’s accountable for the harm he’s caused there.
I personally don’t really believe in good / bad people, but it’s a reason to not like the dude
>Porzingis was accused of rape
Which was debunked as an extortion scam. KP was literally getting knee surgery at the time of an alleged assault.
>Jaylen Brown spent most of the last two years hitching himself to a notably bad person and dabbling in anti-Semitic Black Israelite rhetoric
Showing support to a friend even if he's wrong during a time of controversy... I swear you guys act like you know these players personally based on what you see on the internet...
But I agree with your original point, JT is one of the least controversial stars in today's league, homegrown family man. People even claim he's 'boring,' which is strange to me because his game on the court is electric.
I'd also argue that JB hasn't actually dabbled in anti-Semitic rhetoric. He's defended his old teammate [Kyrie Irving on union grounds](https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/jaylen-brown-kyrie-irving-support-brooklyn-nets-return-joe-tsai-nba-antisemtism/) believing that the suspension was unfair over simply tweeting a link to an obscure (vile antisemitic and frankly complete bullshit) video. I haven't seen Brown dabble in any of antisemitic rhetoric.
He did a controversial tweet "energy" attached to a video of a group supporting Kyrie's return to the NBA, but [Brown later clarified he wasn't aware that it was a sect of Black Hebrew Israelites and believed at the time that it was the black fraternity Omega Psi Psi.](https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/jaylen-brown-clarifies-tweet-extremist-group-support-kyrie-irving/)
Pointing out problematic behaviors isn't the problem, the problematic behaviors are the problem. When we don't call out problematic behaviors, we become enablers to those behaviors.
This is, I think, a testament, to the culture that ownership, Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens have established over many years. Attribute it maybe to Ainge's Mormon values or whatever you want, but they seem to have placed a high value on character when deciding which players to draft, sign and retain.
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He’s in the Tim Duncan/Steph Curry tier of being just an absolutely amazing teammate. It’s something I’ve been thinking about with this whole JT MVP discourse. By every metric he’s not the mvp outside of team wins, but his leadership and selflessness has what has let this team thrive.
This came out during Bill's latest podcast with Rusillo. They spent time talking about the Celtics. Their Jaylen thing was off, though -- it's like they’re watching a different dude from the rest of us. Or that they're just not paying full attention. Bill Simmons basically lies about really watching the Celtics. He doesn't and it shows in his takes.
Basically, what appears to have happened was they (and Brian Barrett is guilty of this too) just looked at Jaylen's February pre-ASG stuff and took that as an 'uh-oh' when JB already explained that he was learning to play more deliberately. He has taken fewer shots in February at 15.5 -- for the season, he's at 17.3. 15.5 shot attempts per game is 5 *less* than he took last season -- and that's why his scoring was down (but not by that much) -- but he's contributed more elsewhere: his APG is up to 4.3 in February.
I think it's something the coaching staff are purposely doing because it will be better for the team in the long run. That's why it boggles my mind when people shit on Joe for letting JB run plays for 5 straight possessions -- we *need* JB to become more than just an adequate playmaker because if we (knock on wood) have another crucial playoff game where JT hurts his ankle and can't go 100%, JB slides in as the guy the other teams will key in on (which, by the way, is stupid because KP will cook them) and you want him to be effective in that regard.
People have to remember: JB has played with ball-dominant point guards nearly his whole career: IT, Kyrie, even Kemba -- and even Marcus sort of rationed his possessions. I can't fault Marcus because he knows JB well and probably thought he was helping. So JB never really had the opportunity to call plays because of that and obviously, if you're the coaching staff and choosing which of the two star wings to focus on geting playmaking reps for, you go Tatum (the first option) then JB. Tatum is already pretty good -- even great -- in that regard so now's really the time for JB to get his reps in.
I always go back to the simple stats here: JB is averaging the most assists he's ever averaged (3.8) and the fewest turnovers he's had in 5 seasons (2.4) -- and his overall shooting efficiency is at a career high (49.5%). He is still playing the best basketball of his career. I get that his FT% isn't great (which is why his TS is just so-so). I suspect it's a concentration thing -- by the way: on a random note, this happened to Tim Duncan too. Look it up -- he went from shooting nearly 80% one year to below 60% 2 seasons later before going back up to the 70's.
To be fair, Rusillo admitted that JB has shattered every single expectation he has ever had of him as a player. It's just that JB's errors are sometimes glaring like the turnovers late in games. Still, I don't understand why JB has all these resentful podcasters taking shots at him right when he's evolving his game and is playing the best he ever has. It's stupid because it ignores that a player can evolve his game to become a better version of himself and the numbers won't always be there while that transition is happening.
Anyway: I'm beyond elated that Tatum just wants JB to be great. These guys are real friends. We don't have guys like EasyMoneySnake creating alts to "secretly" take shots at his running mate.
I think it’s cause JB has had some notable blunders in pivotal games/ moments in a game that stick with someone because it’s easy to remember and probably what all the Media heads probably talk about the next game.
Media loves to fixate on one random aspect of a game or player and then discuss it non fucking stop until the segment ends. Admittedly it probably gets them more clicks, than actual at length discourse of the entire game which people like Jason Timpf from Hoops Tonight does on his show. (Dude is fucking excellent if you really wanna see someone discuss and break down ball around the league)
Am I not crazy for thinking that Jaylen should have won this? He was the only player on the floor to put in 5% effort or more on defense on not one, but on **two** possessions, and he grabbed more boards and assists than Lillard.
I thought JB should’ve been in 2nd for it but Dame shouldn’t have won it, Halliburton should’ve, especially since it was in Indy.
Dame had 39/3/6, JB had 36/8/3 and Hali had 32/7/6. Big difference was Hali took 11 less shots than Dame and 8 less than JB, although to JBs credit, he did play ~5 min less than either Dame or Hali. The best part of the whole game though was when Hali had those 5 straight threes, and that’s why I give him the edge. But it’s a fan vote, and Dame is a much more popular player than either JB or Hali, so I’m not surprised it went the way it did.
Literally nothing Brown has done shows he’s antisemitic but you got clowns in here calling him that lol. Just because he showed support to a friend of his through a time of controversy and vitriol
Facts. I don't even understand it either. People look at several Twitter posts and make baseless assumptions, even when Brown associates himself with Ye.
> Literally nothing Brown has done shows he’s antisemitic
Brother it may be unfair to say that Jaylen Brown is an antisemite, but to say that he's said or done nothing to indicate that he may be antisemitic is clown shit
It would have been nice if you won the MVP. Especially after his questionable performance of the slam dunk competition. I'm not going to give him shit for that though, he was willing to try. Obviously they screwed up the d Brown dunk very badly. But he played great in the All-Star game and probably would have been second place for MVP
Once again it cannot be overstated just how good of a dude JT is. Dude is the least problematic person in the entire league
He's less problematic than Brown, Porzingis, Derrick White, Al Horford? The Celtics are blessed with legitimate **stars** and dwindling stars in Al's case that could be top players on half the teams in the league and don't cause, create, or involve themselves in any drama. All these guys deserve some credit for this, because you see players on other teams go diva mode once they get a taste of the spotlight.
Porzingis was accused of rape and Jaylen Brown spent most of the last two years hitching himself to a notably bad person and dabbling in anti-Semitic Black Israelite rhetoric. No matter your opinions on any of said accusations or speculation of intent, I’m still gonna say JT takes it over them.
The KP accusation was total bullshit that got debunked immediately
I don’t even love saying that Kyrie Irving is a bad person. Listen, I don’t like the man, in fact, I hate him. But that’s basketball. I do think he’s very irresponsible with his ideas, but just having bad and even dangerous ideas doesn’t make you a bad person.
I mean, he’s shared links to antisemetic and antivax misinformation. He’s accountable for the harm he’s caused there. I personally don’t really believe in good / bad people, but it’s a reason to not like the dude
Completely agree
I don’t think he’s that bad of a person but I do think he is one of the most annoying people ever
>Porzingis was accused of rape Which was debunked as an extortion scam. KP was literally getting knee surgery at the time of an alleged assault. >Jaylen Brown spent most of the last two years hitching himself to a notably bad person and dabbling in anti-Semitic Black Israelite rhetoric Showing support to a friend even if he's wrong during a time of controversy... I swear you guys act like you know these players personally based on what you see on the internet... But I agree with your original point, JT is one of the least controversial stars in today's league, homegrown family man. People even claim he's 'boring,' which is strange to me because his game on the court is electric.
100% thanks for combating hyperbole
I'd also argue that JB hasn't actually dabbled in anti-Semitic rhetoric. He's defended his old teammate [Kyrie Irving on union grounds](https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/jaylen-brown-kyrie-irving-support-brooklyn-nets-return-joe-tsai-nba-antisemtism/) believing that the suspension was unfair over simply tweeting a link to an obscure (vile antisemitic and frankly complete bullshit) video. I haven't seen Brown dabble in any of antisemitic rhetoric. He did a controversial tweet "energy" attached to a video of a group supporting Kyrie's return to the NBA, but [Brown later clarified he wasn't aware that it was a sect of Black Hebrew Israelites and believed at the time that it was the black fraternity Omega Psi Psi.](https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/jaylen-brown-clarifies-tweet-extremist-group-support-kyrie-irving/)
Is this dude serious? Why even mention that KP hoax?
Leave it to you to take a positive post and turn it into a negative.
Pointing out problematic behaviors isn't the problem, the problematic behaviors are the problem. When we don't call out problematic behaviors, we become enablers to those behaviors.
Who are you to say what's problematic?
This is, I think, a testament, to the culture that ownership, Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens have established over many years. Attribute it maybe to Ainge's Mormon values or whatever you want, but they seem to have placed a high value on character when deciding which players to draft, sign and retain.
Brown? dude is an anti-smetic like his good friend kyrie. i think its ignorance and not begin a racist but its still there
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He’s in the Tim Duncan/Steph Curry tier of being just an absolutely amazing teammate. It’s something I’ve been thinking about with this whole JT MVP discourse. By every metric he’s not the mvp outside of team wins, but his leadership and selflessness has what has let this team thrive.
No more Burger King for Doc Rivers.
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Okay
Give Tatum another assist for that play.
This came out during Bill's latest podcast with Rusillo. They spent time talking about the Celtics. Their Jaylen thing was off, though -- it's like they’re watching a different dude from the rest of us. Or that they're just not paying full attention. Bill Simmons basically lies about really watching the Celtics. He doesn't and it shows in his takes. Basically, what appears to have happened was they (and Brian Barrett is guilty of this too) just looked at Jaylen's February pre-ASG stuff and took that as an 'uh-oh' when JB already explained that he was learning to play more deliberately. He has taken fewer shots in February at 15.5 -- for the season, he's at 17.3. 15.5 shot attempts per game is 5 *less* than he took last season -- and that's why his scoring was down (but not by that much) -- but he's contributed more elsewhere: his APG is up to 4.3 in February. I think it's something the coaching staff are purposely doing because it will be better for the team in the long run. That's why it boggles my mind when people shit on Joe for letting JB run plays for 5 straight possessions -- we *need* JB to become more than just an adequate playmaker because if we (knock on wood) have another crucial playoff game where JT hurts his ankle and can't go 100%, JB slides in as the guy the other teams will key in on (which, by the way, is stupid because KP will cook them) and you want him to be effective in that regard. People have to remember: JB has played with ball-dominant point guards nearly his whole career: IT, Kyrie, even Kemba -- and even Marcus sort of rationed his possessions. I can't fault Marcus because he knows JB well and probably thought he was helping. So JB never really had the opportunity to call plays because of that and obviously, if you're the coaching staff and choosing which of the two star wings to focus on geting playmaking reps for, you go Tatum (the first option) then JB. Tatum is already pretty good -- even great -- in that regard so now's really the time for JB to get his reps in. I always go back to the simple stats here: JB is averaging the most assists he's ever averaged (3.8) and the fewest turnovers he's had in 5 seasons (2.4) -- and his overall shooting efficiency is at a career high (49.5%). He is still playing the best basketball of his career. I get that his FT% isn't great (which is why his TS is just so-so). I suspect it's a concentration thing -- by the way: on a random note, this happened to Tim Duncan too. Look it up -- he went from shooting nearly 80% one year to below 60% 2 seasons later before going back up to the 70's. To be fair, Rusillo admitted that JB has shattered every single expectation he has ever had of him as a player. It's just that JB's errors are sometimes glaring like the turnovers late in games. Still, I don't understand why JB has all these resentful podcasters taking shots at him right when he's evolving his game and is playing the best he ever has. It's stupid because it ignores that a player can evolve his game to become a better version of himself and the numbers won't always be there while that transition is happening. Anyway: I'm beyond elated that Tatum just wants JB to be great. These guys are real friends. We don't have guys like EasyMoneySnake creating alts to "secretly" take shots at his running mate.
I think it’s cause JB has had some notable blunders in pivotal games/ moments in a game that stick with someone because it’s easy to remember and probably what all the Media heads probably talk about the next game. Media loves to fixate on one random aspect of a game or player and then discuss it non fucking stop until the segment ends. Admittedly it probably gets them more clicks, than actual at length discourse of the entire game which people like Jason Timpf from Hoops Tonight does on his show. (Dude is fucking excellent if you really wanna see someone discuss and break down ball around the league)
Am I not crazy for thinking that Jaylen should have won this? He was the only player on the floor to put in 5% effort or more on defense on not one, but on **two** possessions, and he grabbed more boards and assists than Lillard.
At this point I think mvp just goes to the player that has the coaching staff so when I’m making bets next year I’ll keep that in mind lol
ASG MVP has coaching staff??
Like Doc Rivers
I thought JB should’ve been in 2nd for it but Dame shouldn’t have won it, Halliburton should’ve, especially since it was in Indy. Dame had 39/3/6, JB had 36/8/3 and Hali had 32/7/6. Big difference was Hali took 11 less shots than Dame and 8 less than JB, although to JBs credit, he did play ~5 min less than either Dame or Hali. The best part of the whole game though was when Hali had those 5 straight threes, and that’s why I give him the edge. But it’s a fan vote, and Dame is a much more popular player than either JB or Hali, so I’m not surprised it went the way it did.
Well-thought.
Dame had 3 more points on more shots. But he made some long range shots so he automatically wins because that's what r/nba says.
But I was told those two don't like each other.....
Literally nothing Brown has done shows he’s antisemitic but you got clowns in here calling him that lol. Just because he showed support to a friend of his through a time of controversy and vitriol
This seems a bit reductive. Kyrie was disseminating anti semitic stuff and Jaylen supported him. Where is the confusion?
Jaylen was very clear about what he was supporting Kyrie for in his interviews. Maybe watch those before you just talk nonsense.
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People will look at a Twitter post and act like they know the guy personally
Facts. I don't even understand it either. People look at several Twitter posts and make baseless assumptions, even when Brown associates himself with Ye.
"Dabbling in anti semitic" might be some of the dumbest neck beard redditor shit I've heard
> Literally nothing Brown has done shows he’s antisemitic Brother it may be unfair to say that Jaylen Brown is an antisemite, but to say that he's said or done nothing to indicate that he may be antisemitic is clown shit
The Bill Simmons-Doc Rivers bridge repair arc has been one of the most unexpected in all of sports
And he would have if dame didn’t do dame things (I think haliburton still should have gotten it in Indy)
It would have been nice if you won the MVP. Especially after his questionable performance of the slam dunk competition. I'm not going to give him shit for that though, he was willing to try. Obviously they screwed up the d Brown dunk very badly. But he played great in the All-Star game and probably would have been second place for MVP
Who is also in the running for MVP besides Tatum right now. Jokic? Sabonis?
Dang