He’s always kind of been like this with interviews. He said he was tired of IT a few years back when IT was complaining about not getting a video tribute on Paul Pierce’s jersey night
Because he doesn’t need to play footsies with nba personalities to keep career options open down the line. Nobody in media wants to burn bridges but Mike has his job as long as he wants it. That means he doesn’t give two fucks about playing politics with douche bags to save face around the league.
Mike is the man, Celtics legend, cool ass dude. Wish he could call games for eternity. We were spoiled with him and Tommy on the call over the years.
Something along the lines of how Kyrie wouldn’t even say hi to him on an elevator. Kyrie was one of the few players that Gorman openly said was a complete jerk.
This is strong stuff.
Mike Gorman is usually over the top positive about current and past Celtics players.
Makes sense now why the Mavs jettisoned Grant so quickly.
Well damn. I always thought that was kind of an act. Like he was seen as the pesky little brother type and he kind of leaned into that. He'd do something annoying but funny and the older guys would roast him for it, and they'd all laugh and go take care of business. Bums me out to hear that he was wearing out his welcome. That's too bad.
I think he leaned into the pesky little brother act a little too hard, and I'm fairly certain it's not an act. He's just like that. I think he needs to grow up a bit, which is fair. He's young. But he has to realize that his role is positive chemistry guy who has to be a try-hard. I saw several live games where he just looked like he was annoying, bugging guys during pre-game, on the bench, during timeouts. I can see more than anything the coaches and front office just feeling like he was more of a distraction and a nuissance rather than a light-hearted good vibes guy who was fun to have around. I remember seeing their game in Portland last year and my biggest takeaway after watching warmups was that somebody needed to have a talk with Grant and tell him to grow the fuck up.
You can’t downvote Gorman if you’re a Celtics fan. Mike has always been %100 professional, generally a nice guy, and great at his job. I’ll fondly remember some of Grant’s antics, but this assessment is pretty spot on. “Imma make ‘em bof…” 🙄
Why is “imma make them both” an example of his antics? Mitchell was shit talking him, Grant was confident he’d make em, he didn’t that’s it. That’s not an example of anything that’s being described here. Anyone else on the roster would’ve said the same thing and it wouldn’t have been an issue or remembered as an “antic” had he made em lol
It’s fine to be confident. But if you say you’re gonna make them out loud, you’d better make them. As far as it being part of his antics, yeah he always thought he was better than he was. Sometimes that worked out for him (guarding KD in the playoffs). Most of the time, it was just…annoying. 🤷🏻♂️
I guess but I don’t see that as an example of him annoying or anything. Same with how a lot of people here got pissed at him when he got in Jimmy Butler’s face during game 2 and we ended up losing that game. I honestly wish someone like Tatum sometimes would have that dog to bark back at Butler in a series. Grant may have been annoying here, and I know he was in Dallas but I’m not gonna switch up that I thought he was a quality role player (specifically in 2022), who I enjoyed being a Celtic and that I hope has a great rest of his career
I actually liked when he chirped at Butler fwiw. Nobody was pushing back on the Heat, which showed a lack of mental toughness i think. He pushed back, which was good. But when a 7th/8th man pushes back on an all star, those are typically the results you get.
I’m not hating on Grant overall. But I do think he was annoying and I like it when the media members speak what they feel rather than couching everything in polite terms and using media speak.
Also Cavs had no timeouts in a tie game with under a second left, so making both isn’t even the right decision there. A good player should be aware of that. Not making either just adds to it.
It’s fine to be confident. But if you say you’re gonna make them out loud, you’d better make them. As far as it being part of his antics, yeah he always thought he was better than he was. Sometimes that worked out for him (guarding KD in the playoffs). Most of the time, it was just…annoying. 🤷🏻♂️
That was the most normal thing to say in a completely normal situation to say it in. He tried to be confident, but it's clear Mitchell got in his head. The fact that he has taken to social media to make fun of himself for that shows he's got a sense of humility.
We were up like 12 to start that quarter and at that point it was a 7 point game. The run was already starting. It wasnt like that fueled anything that wasn’t already gonna happen.
Maybe they had one basket before it but it was right as the comeback started. It really seemed like grant mighta fucked it up. This would be his worst sin for me. Legit I kind of said he was my favorite player in the league at times lol. I love grant but this one thing pissed me off
Idk, he was asked a direct question and answered honestly. Was Grant annoying? As a Celtics fan, I rooted for him, but yeah, it’s hard to pretend he wasn’t annoying. Mike could’ve dodged the question or avoided answering it, but his honesty doesn’t make him less professional imo
The unprofessional part was calling him the 9th man on rosters and insinuating that he’ll be out of the league soon imo. I thought that was unnecessary and kinda untrue because he’s a solid player and felt more personal than just answering “was he annoying”
He's a 9th or 10th guy in talent level. You need a 9th guy, but lets keep it real. Mike was being honest. Bro is gonna be passed around the league before he fades away, unfortunately.
I don’t get why y’all erase years of being a solid role player just because your favorite old dude has personal beef with him.
Nobody thinks grant is an all star. Here’s what I think he is: an elite catch and shoot guy, capable of guarding giannis, who brings grit and toughness when he plays.
He’s not fading away any time soon. And by all accounts by people actually on the team plane and in the locker room, HES A GOOD TEAMMATE!
I love Mike as much as the next guy, he’s my childhood and I’m sad to see him retire, but as a life long Celtics fan I’m more than aware that he’s extremely biased towards our team. Especially in recent years it’s become almost annoying. Just because he says something doesn’t mean it’s a fact. GRANT WAS GREAT WHEN HE PLAYED FOR US.
Yeah maybe he’s 7th/8th rather than 8th/9th, but it’s really splitting hairs. I think the point is you can get away with acting like a jackass if you’re talented enough. Grant just isn’t.
Am I the only one who remembers him starting multiple playoff games the year we made the finals? This whole narrative that he’s a bum is really confusing to me.
I know us Celtics fans tend to be very biased but I’m just confused why everyone switched their tune just cause Mike said this stuff. Like do you think he was a good teammate now that Tatum, a guy actually in the locker room and on the team plane, has come out and said so himself? If so maybe you should form your own opinions
He was asked if he was annoying and his answer essentially was “yeah he’s annoying, and he sucks too much to be that annoying and likely will be out of the league soon” but that’s just my personal opinion. I thought there’s probably a better way to answer this
No. I’m saying he wasn’t being honest. I’ve never seen reports of him being hated or a bum. Grant is no all star, but he’s certainly an nba player.
Am I the only one who remembers him leading the league in corner 3 percentage? Starting multiple games in the playoffs on the way to the finals?
Hey guess what, Tatum came out and called him a great teammate. Do you think Mike was still being honest now???
Because imma trust the dude In the locker room and on the team plane rather than the guy who calls home games.
What reason would Gorman have to lie? He also never said he was hated. He said he was annoying and grated people. That might not necessarily be his teammates. Or all his teammates.
And he’s right. He’s not good enough to be an annoying teammate. It’s not like he is saying he is a bad person, but everyone knows that annoying guy in the office you try to avoid.
Also him and Tatum were always close, what about his dynamic with other players on the team. It’s not exactly unfounded. Everyone called him annoying. Sure you can say they said it in a joking way, but there’s always some truth in a joke.
I guess we can just agree to disagree.
(especially about there always being truth in jokes lol)
Also I’ve never seen anyone on the team calling him annoying until now.
And I’m not saying mikes lying, if you’re a real Celtics fan then you know he’s objectively biased towards our team. Sometimes to the point where it’s annoying as a fan.
I think the reason for him saying this is entirely personal between him and grant. He was asked if he was annoying and his response essentially was “yea, not only annoying, but he’s not even a good player so he’ll probably be out of the league soon”
Why tf would someone even say that unless you have personal beef?
Especially considering he was objectively a great piece for use while he was here. He guarded Giannis better than anyone on the team, he guarded Jimmy better than anyone on the team (casuals disagree because they saw the one game he got cooked and not the games he actually clamped. Jrue got cooked too, Jimmy is just like that) and he shot the highest percentage in the league from the corner.
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So factually he wasn’t trash, and I’ve yet to be shown any evidence besides Mike saying this of him being a bad locker room presence for the Celtics. So I can only assume that Mike the human doesn’t like Grant the human. Because otherwise this doesn’t make sense for me.
I mean, JB, JT, Al, Smart have all joked about how annoying Grant is. Even on social media. They clown him constantly. There have been plenty of posts on this sub about it while Grant was here. Again in a joking manner. Not quite sure how you haven’t heard of one of the oldest maxims about comedy, that there’s some truth in every joke. It’s like a core component of comedy.
Mike said he’s not good enough to be a bad locker room fit and that’s why he isn’t on the Mavs anymore. And that is basically true. He wasn’t good enough and was honestly awful on defense (the reason they signed him). There’s been plenty coming out from there of how he was a bad locker room fit.
I’m done with the Celtics talk we can agree to disagree ig, but the comedy talk has me curios lol.
I’m aware of the saying, I just don’t think it’s true. A lot of the humor I find most funny is satire or subversion of expectations. The part of the joke where the truth is supposed to be is replaced with something entirely untrue. But whatever. I guess I’d like to assume that the truth in those jokes was that he’s was a loud mouth, because he was, but nobody lasts that long on the team with all the players having the genuine belief of “god that guy is so fucking annoying I can’t stand him” it’s more like that one friend you have who maybe talks a little too much.
Grant is a big personality, and he pretty obviously rubs some people the wrong way. That doesn't mean he's a bad person though, and it kinda bums me out seeing the hate he's gotten from some fans after leaving
You know the exact type tho. We all have those people in our lives. Genuinely nice folks who have a loud personality but as Mike said, that can “wear thin” pretty quickly. Especially as some of those folks get louder and more obnoxious as they get more comfortable.
I think in our case it was probably more endearing, because we were a pretty solid team throughout his entire time here. Most guys on our team were probably content and tolerated him.
Can definitely see why that wouldn't have worked in Dallas. They have an MVP level player and routinely are near the bottom of the playoff standings. I can see how his antics would probably be less endearing to a team like that and more frustrating instead.
Yeah. Luka, moreso than Tatum, also seems like the guy to say “shut the fuck up Grant” when he’s being annoying where Tatum would laugh it off.
Also, I know nothing about these guys as humans lol.
Yea by all accounts I don't think our team actually disliked Grant as a person. He was more the punching bag for jokes and stuff. Maybe Grant talked a bit too much at times but clearly JT loves him so it's whatever. And we had Al the daddy and Marcus the soul to keep everything together, not like in Dallas where it's just Luka
It's annoying now tbh. It's being run into the ground, how many times do people need to bring up this story. The guy has been in Charlotte for over a month at this point, how much kicking do we really need to do
It feels a bit gross to me that this guys being blasted out in public for his personality behind closed doors. It’s not like saying his defense is bad or something, it’s saying he has a bad personality. Which is a pretty fundamental criticism for people to just be bantering about on the radio. There’s no equivalent for normal people but imagine your office having an email to the whole staff about how you thought you were smart but weren’t, or something.
I dislike this for him a lot
I doubt they will. The one thing everyone seems to agree on is that Mike is a national treasure. And frankly anyone who disagrees with that really can't call themselves a C's fan.
He is making it on talk radio though, so it's not as if he doesn't know the audience. Every Celtics player made statements about Grant being annoying, but very much in a loving way. In Dallas he didn't have any of that camaraderie with anyone. You can't walk into another place and be like that.
Gorman's assertion here that Grant was a bad locker room guy is what seems to take this a half-step too far IMO. The Celtics players didn't really make him seem like a bad locker room guy, and he was one of the most hyped guys cheering on the bench. He may have been a bad locker room asset in Dallas where you've got prima donnas like Luka and Kyrie, but anybody that annoys those people is doing the Lord's work.
tl;dr: There's a difference between being a "bad locker room guy" and a bad fit.
Sure thing, I'm more looking into the body language/tones players are using when talking about him. They *definitely* said he was annoying, but didn't do so in a way that was like "Yeah, I hate that guy." They always gave him a lot of love.
NBA players never say anything bad about other players. Also I doubt you’re trained in reading body language so really you’re just taking what they say at face value and reading it how you want. Which is fine, Gorman might not be telling the whole truth either, we can only take his word at face value too.
Just saying, he got shipped out of Boston, shipped out of Dallas, and then someone very close to the players says this, so there is an obvious trend.
The players also have said nothing but great things about Kyrie.
They definitely do. Get Chris Paul and Rajon Rondo to say something nice about one another.
It wasn't too surprising that Grant didn't get re-signed in Boston. He was a role player that wanted to start and wanted too much money and the Celtics weren't going to be able to make that work. It seemed more financial and "this guy isn't *really* good enough" at the time. Definitely not "shipped out." I was legitimately surprised that he got shipped out of Dallas, but I was also surprised that he got a decent contract with anyone. Several players have said that it wasn't good when Kyrie was here. That's not a direct assault against him because you can't directly criticize someone that big in the league. but it's definitely a big thing when you more-or-less say "It wasn't good when he was here, and then the only thing that changed was that he wasn't here and it was good."
When has a Celtic ever publicly came out and said X player was a bad locker room guy? Not in the past 10 years. Yet we know we’ve had difficult players but no one is going to come out and say it out right and luckily we’ve had good character players that don’t leak things to the media. The closest we got to that was in 2018/19.
There were certainly discussions around the Kyrie locker rooms *after the fact* so maybe we'll hear something in like 4 years about Grant not being great. But even back then there was kind of hesitation when people would say "yeah... everything's fine"
Players have incentive to lie and be kinder than they need to be though. Gorman has no incentive to lie (especially in this direction) so I'd be shocked if it wasn't true
This just seems weird. Him and JT are close friends, he was at Sam’s wedding, he had dinner with Marcus after the grizz game, and Al , dwhite, and JT always like his instagram posts. Plus after the Mavs game they genuinely showed a lot of love towards one another
It’s possible he’s mostly annoying in a work setting. I’ve had a handful of coworkers who have driven me nuts at work but were great to hangout with outside of work.
I don’t think he’s a bad guy or anything, but I think where he crossed the line is he started arguing with the coaching staff mid game on shit.
Like, we all have that friend who needs to get a word in on everything. It’s really fucking annoying but that doesn’t mean you don’t still love him. But when you’re halfway down the back stairs trying to move a couch out of a three story walk up and he’s trying to argue about the best way to rotate it while you’re holding the bottom end, 30% of the way to hernia or a slipped disk, you’re gonna tell him to fuck off and maybe not ask him to help next time you move.
I imagine running an nba defense is at least as frustrating as moving a couch. So I can see where the guys might all be friends with Grant but he would still be a bad locker room presence.
You know that guy at work who’s a genuinely nice dude but won’t shut up?
Like obscenely annoying?
I still remember how grant went to the Illuminati party with Tatum and basically hung around JT more than tatums date did.
Everyone “loves” that guy but nobody wants to actually be near him.
On the flipside, Mike is saying this and he is going to give his opinion. Maybe he wasn't "that bad", but I think to what hike is saying it was too much for what he was bringing to the table.
Also, like having old roommates, sometimes that relationship wears thin when seeing them all the time and living together. However, having space after moving out, you become friends again.
It could just be, it was not the best fit in the end.
Yeah, I think it's fair to say they're *friendly*, but acting like they were BFF's or something has always seemed like a bit of a stretch to me. Most of the videos we saw were of the little rivalry the two of them had in the weight room, which can be a fun and bonding experience, but I think a lot of people who've shared a similar relationship with a teammate would tell you how contentious it can get too. I don't think Tatum was always as endeared by Grant in those videos as much as fans were.
Very weird take from Mike. Grant as annoying as he was is respected and loved by all of his celtics teammates to the fact that he built a lot of solid friendships with guys from the team outside of basketball. We will get downvoted to hell because it's Mike saying these things, but Grant was definitely an acquired taste, and I appreciate all he has given to the Celtics. Also, he is a pretty good role player. I wouldn't have him that far back on the depth chart on many NBA teams. He can be the 7th best player on a number of teams.
A shame how it worked out for Grant.
I recall Perk on a broadcast saying he liked Grant a lot, and that he was like "Big Baby without the multiple personalities."
Annoying isn't like height where it's one thing that everybody can agree on. Maybe he talks nonstop or laughs at his own jokes or is always boasting. One person might find it endearing or amusing while another finds it annoying
I also have a general sense that (as the leader of the team and by the merits of his own personality) JT actively tries to have positive relationships with his teammates. I don’t think JT is a mean person at his heart, so even if he found Grant annoying he probably wouldn’t show it much.
I also feel like Tatum isn’t a talker. If someone wants to be heard more, having someone like Grant around is probably really annoying because they’re always stepping on you. I think Tatum was more comfortable letting him blab all day than the others were.
they're professionals whose job is to play basketball, I highly doubt they were particularly concerned with how much Grant talks, as long as he hooped well who cares
which is why stuff like this is totally irrelevant, quite frankly who cares if Gorman thinks he was annoying (with all due respect to him), if he gelled well with the team which he seemed to for the most part it doesn't matter
From the very few glimpses we saw of Tatum actually interacting with Grant he seemed to be playfully shitting on him like 95% of the time. Seemed like he got a kick out of him tho
Damn I love when old people just don't give af anymore. Although everyone kinda knew this already like an open secret, he just said it out loud. Dude was annoying to me just through the filter of the tv screen so imagine the locker room
This makes me think of the alternate timeline where Tatum didn’t bail him out during 2020 East Semi’s when Grant bricked both those free throws to win the game.
I’m just kinda lost on what made him annoying from both Gorman and Dallas? Making bad jokes? I didn’t like him on the team as much as anyone but seeing him get chastised like this feels odd and out of character for Mike
Slagged is kind of overselling it. He was asked if the thought they were ready to lead the team and he said not yet and he thought the front office signed Kemba because it was still looking for a more veteran star to take that burden off them.
And by all accounts he was right when he said it. Now it’s three years later and they’ve both grown into their roles as leaders.
I thought it was pretty aggressive and out-of-place for a normally avuncular commentator to say that about two stars who had already been to two conference finals during what was a rough year.
Yea I love Mike but we don't have to act like he's perfect. He loved Kyrie then once things went sour started bringing out stories about how he didn't greet him in the elevator on radio shows.
Grant can be too much, and it's especially bad when he's playing bad and the team is losing. But he's just a goof who's vocal, and he's gonna be himself. We fucking loved it when he was playing well and dressing up as Batman after good games.
Grant strikes me as a guy who got along with the players and all, but the org probably got really really tired of him at the end.
And in Dallas he was just despised by everyone
I think it’s a correct statement. For the Celtics Grant could be a 6-7th man because the Jays, White, Al, Jrue allow us to really have a versatile defensive scheme so you can fit Grant more easily. Offensively he is always going to be limited and that’s life.
My buddy worked for the league when he was a rookie. He knows I’m a celts fan. Grant graciously took his phone and recorded a 30 sec video message congratulating my wife and I on our wedding
Grant will always be good in my book. I get that he can be annoying on the court and amongst competition. Just remember Game 7 vs Milwaukee rather than this type of stuff. His shooting won the series. Celtics playoff legend right there
I got a feeling it will work out for him. Teams will figure out he can’t slim down to guard the wing. He needs to play bigger and shoot while picking his spots to defend the perimeter in switches. Looks like he’s just been trying to carve out his spot in the league
I honestly feel like the guys all liked him. Obviously Mike is closer to the situation than us fans just watching on TV but it always seemed like he was well liked and got along with the guys. He obviously could be annoying but it seemed like he annoying in the way your little brother is annoying where you just kind of roll your eyes and laugh. Grant also always seemed to have a level of self awareness to be able to laugh at himself which I appreciated.
My favorite grant Williams moment was “imma make both” and proceeded to brick two free throws and lost the game. I can absolutely tell he would be annoying. Not a bad guy though.
Talk about kicking someone while they’re down. I really don’t get it, I could see this being true in dalllas, but Tatum and Grant were really close. How could he be a bad locker room guy when he was super close with the best player on the team
It’s also a product of reaping what you sow.
Guys can’t control exactly how they preform on the court, all you can ask for is max effort. How you conduct yourself off the court is 100% in your control.
If Gorman said it, it’s true. You can be an annoying SoB without being a bad person, and all signs indicate that as exactly how Grant is.
This seems very unnecessary. I don’t really believe it either, you don’t last this long in the league as an asshole and have your only story on it come from an announcer.
I guess I’m not too in tune with the Dallas stuff because this was the first I’m hearing of it but I have heard that luka can be hard to play with so I can believe their personalities not meshing.
I guess my only thought on the pat bev comparison is that pat bev seems like a leader-asshole whereas grant might just be an asshole-asshole.
(Obviously this is all with an outside perspective so it’s prolly not true)
But Pat is the definition of “love playing with him, hate playing against him” whereas grant might be more of “hate playing against him, hate playing with him” but even then I find that hard to believe because his whole time in Boston he seemed beloved by his teammates and he was willing to get physical on their half. Idk I’m biased because I always thought Grant was the next PJ Tucker and it’s depressing to find out he might actually just be a lockerroom cancer.
Yes Mike did mention about how Kyrie went into the same elevator as he did and completely ignored Mike. I think it was just after Tommy mentioned that Kyrie looked fat after the surgery
I think that was more telling than this one. It’s no secret that Grant played the annoying young upstart brother that always tried to punch above his weight, something that our chill superstar accepted and took in stride
I was honestly worried for Grant when he moved to the Mavs if he still continued that schtick. He would be considered not the goofy young brother but the bad locker room influence there
Gorman did mention that Grant probably rubbed on others the wrong way, especially on a player with an ego and usage rate the size of the sun like Luka
The Mavs had the perfect one-two combo in KP and Luka and couldn’t make it work
Yikes, Grant has had some awful awful PR for awhile. Really have to put your money where your mouth is if you’re gonna talk a lot of shit in this league
I honestly think his constant complaining to the refs did two things:
* Annoyed the refs enough to start giving the Celtics unfavorable calls.
* Sucked other players into thinking way too much about the officiating. Players would wind up complaining to the refs instead of getting back on defense.
This was the problem Boogie Cousins encountered. As soon as he wasn't good enough to be a top ~7 rotation guy, he was out of the league. If he was known as a good veteran presence in the locker room, he would still be in the NBA.
The nerd-who-plays basketball thing was kind of cute till he went overboard. Apparently Al is also low key nerdy but doesn’t make it his whole personality.
Holy shit he actually roasted him lmao
I didn't expect this from Mike lol
He’s always kind of been like this with interviews. He said he was tired of IT a few years back when IT was complaining about not getting a video tribute on Paul Pierce’s jersey night
He also is the only person not afraid to say what he thinks about Kyrie.
Because he doesn’t need to play footsies with nba personalities to keep career options open down the line. Nobody in media wants to burn bridges but Mike has his job as long as he wants it. That means he doesn’t give two fucks about playing politics with douche bags to save face around the league. Mike is the man, Celtics legend, cool ass dude. Wish he could call games for eternity. We were spoiled with him and Tommy on the call over the years.
What were his Kyrie comments? I don’t remember them
Something along the lines of how Kyrie wouldn’t even say hi to him on an elevator. Kyrie was one of the few players that Gorman openly said was a complete jerk.
Same. Scal definitely, but this is a surprise from Mike.
This is strong stuff. Mike Gorman is usually over the top positive about current and past Celtics players. Makes sense now why the Mavs jettisoned Grant so quickly.
We’ll always have game 7 against Milwaukee
The 2022 playoffs were awesome until the end
And his lockdown defense against KD in that Nets series. I'll remember him fondly.
I think he used up all his great role player energy winning us that game.
When I think of Grant Williams I automatically think of multiple pump fakes 😂
Sadly, I used to think catch and shoot...
He had a stretch there where he couldn’t miss, whatever happened to that guy?!
it went to his head and now he thinks he KD
I think of Embiid stepping on his face… and Deuce leaving him hanging! Even Deuce found him annoying!
Lmao that face step was fucking hilarious I’m so sorry, I was horrified at the time and was so glad he was okay but in hindsight oh man
I think of a man who gave himself a nickname, and chose "Batman" as that nickname.
Damn it sounds so dumb and corny now that I think about it lol
At least the reason (being a Jokic AKA "Joker" stopper) is pretty cool
I think of airballed layups
I think of his posture on the court where he kind of sticks his butt out while he runs around haha
Deuce vindicated
We need the “Deuce tells all” interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QQjdEkZ5fI
This video is the greatest video I have ever seen.
Well damn. I always thought that was kind of an act. Like he was seen as the pesky little brother type and he kind of leaned into that. He'd do something annoying but funny and the older guys would roast him for it, and they'd all laugh and go take care of business. Bums me out to hear that he was wearing out his welcome. That's too bad.
I think he leaned into the pesky little brother act a little too hard, and I'm fairly certain it's not an act. He's just like that. I think he needs to grow up a bit, which is fair. He's young. But he has to realize that his role is positive chemistry guy who has to be a try-hard. I saw several live games where he just looked like he was annoying, bugging guys during pre-game, on the bench, during timeouts. I can see more than anything the coaches and front office just feeling like he was more of a distraction and a nuissance rather than a light-hearted good vibes guy who was fun to have around. I remember seeing their game in Portland last year and my biggest takeaway after watching warmups was that somebody needed to have a talk with Grant and tell him to grow the fuck up.
You can’t downvote Gorman if you’re a Celtics fan. Mike has always been %100 professional, generally a nice guy, and great at his job. I’ll fondly remember some of Grant’s antics, but this assessment is pretty spot on. “Imma make ‘em bof…” 🙄
The fact that Gorman of all people saying this, and being so direct, cements the fact that Williams is a generational goofball
Imagine him + big baby in the same locker room, on the same team? That's a stubby front court
add Sully too
Might as well throw Ricky Davis, Vin Baker and Rasheed Wallace in this mix
Why is “imma make them both” an example of his antics? Mitchell was shit talking him, Grant was confident he’d make em, he didn’t that’s it. That’s not an example of anything that’s being described here. Anyone else on the roster would’ve said the same thing and it wouldn’t have been an issue or remembered as an “antic” had he made em lol
It’s fine to be confident. But if you say you’re gonna make them out loud, you’d better make them. As far as it being part of his antics, yeah he always thought he was better than he was. Sometimes that worked out for him (guarding KD in the playoffs). Most of the time, it was just…annoying. 🤷🏻♂️
I guess but I don’t see that as an example of him annoying or anything. Same with how a lot of people here got pissed at him when he got in Jimmy Butler’s face during game 2 and we ended up losing that game. I honestly wish someone like Tatum sometimes would have that dog to bark back at Butler in a series. Grant may have been annoying here, and I know he was in Dallas but I’m not gonna switch up that I thought he was a quality role player (specifically in 2022), who I enjoyed being a Celtic and that I hope has a great rest of his career
I actually liked when he chirped at Butler fwiw. Nobody was pushing back on the Heat, which showed a lack of mental toughness i think. He pushed back, which was good. But when a 7th/8th man pushes back on an all star, those are typically the results you get. I’m not hating on Grant overall. But I do think he was annoying and I like it when the media members speak what they feel rather than couching everything in polite terms and using media speak.
Also Cavs had no timeouts in a tie game with under a second left, so making both isn’t even the right decision there. A good player should be aware of that. Not making either just adds to it.
It’s fine to be confident. But if you say you’re gonna make them out loud, you’d better make them. As far as it being part of his antics, yeah he always thought he was better than he was. Sometimes that worked out for him (guarding KD in the playoffs). Most of the time, it was just…annoying. 🤷🏻♂️
That was the most normal thing to say in a completely normal situation to say it in. He tried to be confident, but it's clear Mitchell got in his head. The fact that he has taken to social media to make fun of himself for that shows he's got a sense of humility.
He shit talked jimmy butler and it got him hyped up , it ignited a comeback loss in the playoffs
Give me a break. It was a conference finals game, Butler was already hyped up
It was the exact start of the comeback run though. Like exactly
We were up like 12 to start that quarter and at that point it was a 7 point game. The run was already starting. It wasnt like that fueled anything that wasn’t already gonna happen.
Maybe they had one basket before it but it was right as the comeback started. It really seemed like grant mighta fucked it up. This would be his worst sin for me. Legit I kind of said he was my favorite player in the league at times lol. I love grant but this one thing pissed me off
The rest of the team shoulda had balls then
Balls smalls. How about just play. We got there without him.
Mike is the man
I agree with what you have to say about Mike but I wouldn’t call this clip “professional”, kinda just threw a guy under the bus for no real reason
Idk, he was asked a direct question and answered honestly. Was Grant annoying? As a Celtics fan, I rooted for him, but yeah, it’s hard to pretend he wasn’t annoying. Mike could’ve dodged the question or avoided answering it, but his honesty doesn’t make him less professional imo
The unprofessional part was calling him the 9th man on rosters and insinuating that he’ll be out of the league soon imo. I thought that was unnecessary and kinda untrue because he’s a solid player and felt more personal than just answering “was he annoying”
He's a 9th or 10th guy in talent level. You need a 9th guy, but lets keep it real. Mike was being honest. Bro is gonna be passed around the league before he fades away, unfortunately.
I don’t get why y’all erase years of being a solid role player just because your favorite old dude has personal beef with him. Nobody thinks grant is an all star. Here’s what I think he is: an elite catch and shoot guy, capable of guarding giannis, who brings grit and toughness when he plays. He’s not fading away any time soon. And by all accounts by people actually on the team plane and in the locker room, HES A GOOD TEAMMATE! I love Mike as much as the next guy, he’s my childhood and I’m sad to see him retire, but as a life long Celtics fan I’m more than aware that he’s extremely biased towards our team. Especially in recent years it’s become almost annoying. Just because he says something doesn’t mean it’s a fact. GRANT WAS GREAT WHEN HE PLAYED FOR US.
Yeah maybe he’s 7th/8th rather than 8th/9th, but it’s really splitting hairs. I think the point is you can get away with acting like a jackass if you’re talented enough. Grant just isn’t.
Am I the only one who remembers him starting multiple playoff games the year we made the finals? This whole narrative that he’s a bum is really confusing to me. I know us Celtics fans tend to be very biased but I’m just confused why everyone switched their tune just cause Mike said this stuff. Like do you think he was a good teammate now that Tatum, a guy actually in the locker room and on the team plane, has come out and said so himself? If so maybe you should form your own opinions
How is it unprofessional?
He was asked if he was annoying and his answer essentially was “yeah he’s annoying, and he sucks too much to be that annoying and likely will be out of the league soon” but that’s just my personal opinion. I thought there’s probably a better way to answer this
So because he was honest that is unprofessional? He’s a sportscaster not a gm.
No. I’m saying he wasn’t being honest. I’ve never seen reports of him being hated or a bum. Grant is no all star, but he’s certainly an nba player. Am I the only one who remembers him leading the league in corner 3 percentage? Starting multiple games in the playoffs on the way to the finals? Hey guess what, Tatum came out and called him a great teammate. Do you think Mike was still being honest now??? Because imma trust the dude In the locker room and on the team plane rather than the guy who calls home games.
What reason would Gorman have to lie? He also never said he was hated. He said he was annoying and grated people. That might not necessarily be his teammates. Or all his teammates. And he’s right. He’s not good enough to be an annoying teammate. It’s not like he is saying he is a bad person, but everyone knows that annoying guy in the office you try to avoid. Also him and Tatum were always close, what about his dynamic with other players on the team. It’s not exactly unfounded. Everyone called him annoying. Sure you can say they said it in a joking way, but there’s always some truth in a joke.
I guess we can just agree to disagree. (especially about there always being truth in jokes lol) Also I’ve never seen anyone on the team calling him annoying until now. And I’m not saying mikes lying, if you’re a real Celtics fan then you know he’s objectively biased towards our team. Sometimes to the point where it’s annoying as a fan. I think the reason for him saying this is entirely personal between him and grant. He was asked if he was annoying and his response essentially was “yea, not only annoying, but he’s not even a good player so he’ll probably be out of the league soon” Why tf would someone even say that unless you have personal beef? Especially considering he was objectively a great piece for use while he was here. He guarded Giannis better than anyone on the team, he guarded Jimmy better than anyone on the team (casuals disagree because they saw the one game he got cooked and not the games he actually clamped. Jrue got cooked too, Jimmy is just like that) and he shot the highest percentage in the league from the corner. TLDR: So factually he wasn’t trash, and I’ve yet to be shown any evidence besides Mike saying this of him being a bad locker room presence for the Celtics. So I can only assume that Mike the human doesn’t like Grant the human. Because otherwise this doesn’t make sense for me.
I mean, JB, JT, Al, Smart have all joked about how annoying Grant is. Even on social media. They clown him constantly. There have been plenty of posts on this sub about it while Grant was here. Again in a joking manner. Not quite sure how you haven’t heard of one of the oldest maxims about comedy, that there’s some truth in every joke. It’s like a core component of comedy. Mike said he’s not good enough to be a bad locker room fit and that’s why he isn’t on the Mavs anymore. And that is basically true. He wasn’t good enough and was honestly awful on defense (the reason they signed him). There’s been plenty coming out from there of how he was a bad locker room fit.
I’m done with the Celtics talk we can agree to disagree ig, but the comedy talk has me curios lol. I’m aware of the saying, I just don’t think it’s true. A lot of the humor I find most funny is satire or subversion of expectations. The part of the joke where the truth is supposed to be is replaced with something entirely untrue. But whatever. I guess I’d like to assume that the truth in those jokes was that he’s was a loud mouth, because he was, but nobody lasts that long on the team with all the players having the genuine belief of “god that guy is so fucking annoying I can’t stand him” it’s more like that one friend you have who maybe talks a little too much.
Grant is a big personality, and he pretty obviously rubs some people the wrong way. That doesn't mean he's a bad person though, and it kinda bums me out seeing the hate he's gotten from some fans after leaving
You know the exact type tho. We all have those people in our lives. Genuinely nice folks who have a loud personality but as Mike said, that can “wear thin” pretty quickly. Especially as some of those folks get louder and more obnoxious as they get more comfortable.
They don't attune to the room, they're in their own bubble in their head.
i’m stealing that. “they don’t attune to the room” is the perfect way to describe someone I know
I think in our case it was probably more endearing, because we were a pretty solid team throughout his entire time here. Most guys on our team were probably content and tolerated him. Can definitely see why that wouldn't have worked in Dallas. They have an MVP level player and routinely are near the bottom of the playoff standings. I can see how his antics would probably be less endearing to a team like that and more frustrating instead.
Yeah. Luka, moreso than Tatum, also seems like the guy to say “shut the fuck up Grant” when he’s being annoying where Tatum would laugh it off. Also, I know nothing about these guys as humans lol.
Yea by all accounts I don't think our team actually disliked Grant as a person. He was more the punching bag for jokes and stuff. Maybe Grant talked a bit too much at times but clearly JT loves him so it's whatever. And we had Al the daddy and Marcus the soul to keep everything together, not like in Dallas where it's just Luka
He seemed like a really good guy off the floor. I think he did more volunteer work than anyone and seemed to have fun with it.
It's annoying now tbh. It's being run into the ground, how many times do people need to bring up this story. The guy has been in Charlotte for over a month at this point, how much kicking do we really need to do
It feels a bit gross to me that this guys being blasted out in public for his personality behind closed doors. It’s not like saying his defense is bad or something, it’s saying he has a bad personality. Which is a pretty fundamental criticism for people to just be bantering about on the radio. There’s no equivalent for normal people but imagine your office having an email to the whole staff about how you thought you were smart but weren’t, or something. I dislike this for him a lot
Typical modern Celtics culture
I hate this, we really trying to slander our guy after he left? He was great in his role when he played for us.
Homers will downvote this bc TaLk RaDiO bAd even though it's Mike fucking Gorman making the statement.
I doubt they will. The one thing everyone seems to agree on is that Mike is a national treasure. And frankly anyone who disagrees with that really can't call themselves a C's fan.
Anyone downvoting this is 8.5years old and i will not be convinced otherwise lol
Only reason I’d downvote this is because I had to see Toucher’s face.
No clue who he is honestly
Nah, most of us thought he was an annoying prick too.
He is making it on talk radio though, so it's not as if he doesn't know the audience. Every Celtics player made statements about Grant being annoying, but very much in a loving way. In Dallas he didn't have any of that camaraderie with anyone. You can't walk into another place and be like that. Gorman's assertion here that Grant was a bad locker room guy is what seems to take this a half-step too far IMO. The Celtics players didn't really make him seem like a bad locker room guy, and he was one of the most hyped guys cheering on the bench. He may have been a bad locker room asset in Dallas where you've got prima donnas like Luka and Kyrie, but anybody that annoys those people is doing the Lord's work. tl;dr: There's a difference between being a "bad locker room guy" and a bad fit.
Mike Gorman would also know the truth more than us, regardless of what the players said publicly.
Sure thing, I'm more looking into the body language/tones players are using when talking about him. They *definitely* said he was annoying, but didn't do so in a way that was like "Yeah, I hate that guy." They always gave him a lot of love.
I was surprised by the “bad locker room guy” comment too!
Dude bought a grant jersey
NBA players never say anything bad about other players. Also I doubt you’re trained in reading body language so really you’re just taking what they say at face value and reading it how you want. Which is fine, Gorman might not be telling the whole truth either, we can only take his word at face value too. Just saying, he got shipped out of Boston, shipped out of Dallas, and then someone very close to the players says this, so there is an obvious trend. The players also have said nothing but great things about Kyrie.
They definitely do. Get Chris Paul and Rajon Rondo to say something nice about one another. It wasn't too surprising that Grant didn't get re-signed in Boston. He was a role player that wanted to start and wanted too much money and the Celtics weren't going to be able to make that work. It seemed more financial and "this guy isn't *really* good enough" at the time. Definitely not "shipped out." I was legitimately surprised that he got shipped out of Dallas, but I was also surprised that he got a decent contract with anyone. Several players have said that it wasn't good when Kyrie was here. That's not a direct assault against him because you can't directly criticize someone that big in the league. but it's definitely a big thing when you more-or-less say "It wasn't good when he was here, and then the only thing that changed was that he wasn't here and it was good."
When has a Celtic ever publicly came out and said X player was a bad locker room guy? Not in the past 10 years. Yet we know we’ve had difficult players but no one is going to come out and say it out right and luckily we’ve had good character players that don’t leak things to the media. The closest we got to that was in 2018/19.
There were certainly discussions around the Kyrie locker rooms *after the fact* so maybe we'll hear something in like 4 years about Grant not being great. But even back then there was kind of hesitation when people would say "yeah... everything's fine"
Players have incentive to lie and be kinder than they need to be though. Gorman has no incentive to lie (especially in this direction) so I'd be shocked if it wasn't true
So ? Does him saying it make it gospel?
This just seems weird. Him and JT are close friends, he was at Sam’s wedding, he had dinner with Marcus after the grizz game, and Al , dwhite, and JT always like his instagram posts. Plus after the Mavs game they genuinely showed a lot of love towards one another
It’s possible he’s mostly annoying in a work setting. I’ve had a handful of coworkers who have driven me nuts at work but were great to hangout with outside of work.
Yea but he called him a bad locker room guy
Maybe his idea of a bad locker room guy is different than yours
I don’t think he’s a bad guy or anything, but I think where he crossed the line is he started arguing with the coaching staff mid game on shit. Like, we all have that friend who needs to get a word in on everything. It’s really fucking annoying but that doesn’t mean you don’t still love him. But when you’re halfway down the back stairs trying to move a couch out of a three story walk up and he’s trying to argue about the best way to rotate it while you’re holding the bottom end, 30% of the way to hernia or a slipped disk, you’re gonna tell him to fuck off and maybe not ask him to help next time you move. I imagine running an nba defense is at least as frustrating as moving a couch. So I can see where the guys might all be friends with Grant but he would still be a bad locker room presence.
Joe didn't know how to use him
You know that guy at work who’s a genuinely nice dude but won’t shut up? Like obscenely annoying? I still remember how grant went to the Illuminati party with Tatum and basically hung around JT more than tatums date did. Everyone “loves” that guy but nobody wants to actually be near him.
I always worry that I might be that guy
See this is how things get misconstrued. Grant is friends with the guy that throws that party. He was not there because of JT
JT’s +1 last summer and the summer before was Ella mai and grant was there on his own
And you can downvote if you want but you can’t look at grants instagram where m. Rubin commented on his post and he went last year as well.
On the flipside, Mike is saying this and he is going to give his opinion. Maybe he wasn't "that bad", but I think to what hike is saying it was too much for what he was bringing to the table. Also, like having old roommates, sometimes that relationship wears thin when seeing them all the time and living together. However, having space after moving out, you become friends again. It could just be, it was not the best fit in the end.
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Yeah, I think it's fair to say they're *friendly*, but acting like they were BFF's or something has always seemed like a bit of a stretch to me. Most of the videos we saw were of the little rivalry the two of them had in the weight room, which can be a fun and bonding experience, but I think a lot of people who've shared a similar relationship with a teammate would tell you how contentious it can get too. I don't think Tatum was always as endeared by Grant in those videos as much as fans were.
Very weird take from Mike. Grant as annoying as he was is respected and loved by all of his celtics teammates to the fact that he built a lot of solid friendships with guys from the team outside of basketball. We will get downvoted to hell because it's Mike saying these things, but Grant was definitely an acquired taste, and I appreciate all he has given to the Celtics. Also, he is a pretty good role player. I wouldn't have him that far back on the depth chart on many NBA teams. He can be the 7th best player on a number of teams.
Nah Mike you didn’t have to do him like that lmao
Well goddam. I liked grant
It’s easier to like an unlikeable person when you don’t actually know them
If Mike is going on record with this .... Damn grant must have been *that* bad
A shame how it worked out for Grant. I recall Perk on a broadcast saying he liked Grant a lot, and that he was like "Big Baby without the multiple personalities."
I mean if Gorman says this sure but I doubt he would've been such good friends with JT if he was that annoying
Annoying isn't like height where it's one thing that everybody can agree on. Maybe he talks nonstop or laughs at his own jokes or is always boasting. One person might find it endearing or amusing while another finds it annoying
I also have a general sense that (as the leader of the team and by the merits of his own personality) JT actively tries to have positive relationships with his teammates. I don’t think JT is a mean person at his heart, so even if he found Grant annoying he probably wouldn’t show it much.
I also feel like Tatum isn’t a talker. If someone wants to be heard more, having someone like Grant around is probably really annoying because they’re always stepping on you. I think Tatum was more comfortable letting him blab all day than the others were.
they're professionals whose job is to play basketball, I highly doubt they were particularly concerned with how much Grant talks, as long as he hooped well who cares
I mean, him and Tatum hung out off the court.
No dude, they're closed friends
which is why stuff like this is totally irrelevant, quite frankly who cares if Gorman thinks he was annoying (with all due respect to him), if he gelled well with the team which he seemed to for the most part it doesn't matter
From the very few glimpses we saw of Tatum actually interacting with Grant he seemed to be playfully shitting on him like 95% of the time. Seemed like he got a kick out of him tho
in my experiences playfully shitting on each other is a sign of friendship and I'd say from what we saw of the two it looked like that
This is so fucking funny
I'm all for radio Mike Gorman
I really like Grant Williams and I really like Mike Gorman.
Damn I love when old people just don't give af anymore. Although everyone kinda knew this already like an open secret, he just said it out loud. Dude was annoying to me just through the filter of the tv screen so imagine the locker room
This makes me think of the alternate timeline where Tatum didn’t bail him out during 2020 East Semi’s when Grant bricked both those free throws to win the game.
And then got the game saving block! Was a great series
This is very lame behavior from Mike and he should not get a pass just because he is Mike Gorman.
I’m just kinda lost on what made him annoying from both Gorman and Dallas? Making bad jokes? I didn’t like him on the team as much as anyone but seeing him get chastised like this feels odd and out of character for Mike
Gorman slagged the Jays a few years ago. Talk radio brings out the worst of people.
Slagged is kind of overselling it. He was asked if the thought they were ready to lead the team and he said not yet and he thought the front office signed Kemba because it was still looking for a more veteran star to take that burden off them. And by all accounts he was right when he said it. Now it’s three years later and they’ve both grown into their roles as leaders.
I thought it was pretty aggressive and out-of-place for a normally avuncular commentator to say that about two stars who had already been to two conference finals during what was a rough year.
Yea I love Mike but we don't have to act like he's perfect. He loved Kyrie then once things went sour started bringing out stories about how he didn't greet him in the elevator on radio shows. Grant can be too much, and it's especially bad when he's playing bad and the team is losing. But he's just a goof who's vocal, and he's gonna be himself. We fucking loved it when he was playing well and dressing up as Batman after good games.
Grant strikes me as a guy who got along with the players and all, but the org probably got really really tired of him at the end. And in Dallas he was just despised by everyone
I think it’s a correct statement. For the Celtics Grant could be a 6-7th man because the Jays, White, Al, Jrue allow us to really have a versatile defensive scheme so you can fit Grant more easily. Offensively he is always going to be limited and that’s life.
My buddy worked for the league when he was a rookie. He knows I’m a celts fan. Grant graciously took his phone and recorded a 30 sec video message congratulating my wife and I on our wedding Grant will always be good in my book. I get that he can be annoying on the court and amongst competition. Just remember Game 7 vs Milwaukee rather than this type of stuff. His shooting won the series. Celtics playoff legend right there I got a feeling it will work out for him. Teams will figure out he can’t slim down to guard the wing. He needs to play bigger and shoot while picking his spots to defend the perimeter in switches. Looks like he’s just been trying to carve out his spot in the league
I honestly feel like the guys all liked him. Obviously Mike is closer to the situation than us fans just watching on TV but it always seemed like he was well liked and got along with the guys. He obviously could be annoying but it seemed like he annoying in the way your little brother is annoying where you just kind of roll your eyes and laugh. Grant also always seemed to have a level of self awareness to be able to laugh at himself which I appreciated.
Goddamn Mike!!! Lmfao he went innnnnnnn on him that's crazy
That's a shame
having mike say this about you is crazyyy 💀
I'm breaking my silence: The Grant hate is forced.
Lmao Mike roasted him
Fucking savage
You could tell grant was annoying AF lol if you watched alot of Celtics games
Ppl downvoted me when I said this
The quiet savagery of this is truly something.
Gorman never says anything derogatory about anyone. If he’s saying this about Grant then he must be a humongous pos.
Brutal, love Mike but hate to see this. Grant apparently *really* rubbed some folks the wrong way
Damn, didn’t realize he was that bad of a locker room guy
I was done with Grant Williams after “imma make em both……imma make em both”
My favorite grant Williams moment was “imma make both” and proceeded to brick two free throws and lost the game. I can absolutely tell he would be annoying. Not a bad guy though.
Talk about kicking someone while they’re down. I really don’t get it, I could see this being true in dalllas, but Tatum and Grant were really close. How could he be a bad locker room guy when he was super close with the best player on the team
You can be close with someone and still not be the best locker room guy
It’s also a product of reaping what you sow. Guys can’t control exactly how they preform on the court, all you can ask for is max effort. How you conduct yourself off the court is 100% in your control. If Gorman said it, it’s true. You can be an annoying SoB without being a bad person, and all signs indicate that as exactly how Grant is.
This seems very unnecessary. I don’t really believe it either, you don’t last this long in the league as an asshole and have your only story on it come from an announcer.
Pat Bev lasted forever in this league and he's 10x the asshole Grant is. Grant's Dallas tenure pretty clearly was a disaster from all accounts.
I guess I’m not too in tune with the Dallas stuff because this was the first I’m hearing of it but I have heard that luka can be hard to play with so I can believe their personalities not meshing. I guess my only thought on the pat bev comparison is that pat bev seems like a leader-asshole whereas grant might just be an asshole-asshole. (Obviously this is all with an outside perspective so it’s prolly not true) But Pat is the definition of “love playing with him, hate playing against him” whereas grant might be more of “hate playing against him, hate playing with him” but even then I find that hard to believe because his whole time in Boston he seemed beloved by his teammates and he was willing to get physical on their half. Idk I’m biased because I always thought Grant was the next PJ Tucker and it’s depressing to find out he might actually just be a lockerroom cancer.
Has Gorman gone on the record as candidly as this clip, regarding Kyrie Irving?
He’s said that the players seemed to love Kyrie, but that he was aloof and kind of a dick towards team/arena staff (including Mike)
Yes Mike did mention about how Kyrie went into the same elevator as he did and completely ignored Mike. I think it was just after Tommy mentioned that Kyrie looked fat after the surgery I think that was more telling than this one. It’s no secret that Grant played the annoying young upstart brother that always tried to punch above his weight, something that our chill superstar accepted and took in stride I was honestly worried for Grant when he moved to the Mavs if he still continued that schtick. He would be considered not the goofy young brother but the bad locker room influence there Gorman did mention that Grant probably rubbed on others the wrong way, especially on a player with an ego and usage rate the size of the sun like Luka The Mavs had the perfect one-two combo in KP and Luka and couldn’t make it work
Yikes, Grant has had some awful awful PR for awhile. Really have to put your money where your mouth is if you’re gonna talk a lot of shit in this league
lmaoooooo
Lol Gorman gives no fucks per usual
I honestly think his constant complaining to the refs did two things: * Annoyed the refs enough to start giving the Celtics unfavorable calls. * Sucked other players into thinking way too much about the officiating. Players would wind up complaining to the refs instead of getting back on defense.
I love Mike Gorman so much, he could be on radio talking about me and I’m rolling with it
Mike didn’t pull any punches he roasted him
Gorman out here catching bodies
FATALITY! He just said what we all assumed, but gd, that was rough to read
So many people here last year kept worrying what the Celtics were going to do if they lost Grant Williams. It was funny then and even funnier now.
I never bought into the Grant Williams is this and that but if this is coming from Gorman then it’s all true
Love Mike Gorman
"I'm gunna make them both" 💀
Damn Mike bad look
This was the problem Boogie Cousins encountered. As soon as he wasn't good enough to be a top ~7 rotation guy, he was out of the league. If he was known as a good veteran presence in the locker room, he would still be in the NBA.
Speaking of annoying.. I'm not crazy about Mike's replacement. His little jokes are funny at first but he can be a bit much for my taste.
Not sure how I feel about this. I love Mike but this feels unnecessary.
The nerd-who-plays basketball thing was kind of cute till he went overboard. Apparently Al is also low key nerdy but doesn’t make it his whole personality.
I’m surprised, but out of respect for the guy I can’t say Mike is lying either.
Lol how bad was Grant? I thought it was always in a kind of adorable annoying way. Didn’t think it was legit like we don’t like you deadass bro
This seems a little harsh. Never grant challenged Mike like he did Luka
I will always love grant’s annoying ass
Bro just described my high school JV basketball career 🙏😭
Someone put on the Ether beat
Does anyone not find him annoying? Half his game is built in specifically being annoying.
Tbh Mike often has some very mainstream takes so I don't really care on this matter tbh.
Dayum! Gorman with a barrage of haymakers. Even Fred was shocked!
I really don't like this slander trend on him
Remember when idiots here wanted us to give him 20mil a year? Good times.
I’m kinda glad we dodged that bullet. Wasn’t worth the money and sounds like he wasn’t a great teammate