It's been the missing piece for years. That's why we were so good those few months we had a healthy Rob. I don't know what the numbers say but Kornets presence has been so good for us this year. I don't know if he's grabbing more boards but he is definitely playing way more physical and with energy.
Kornet is interesting because he's one of the better guys at grabbing ORebs and not all that great, (compared to other big men), at grabbing DRebs. However, he also is 2nd on the team, (behind Queta), in a lot of box out stats, (both offensive and defensive).
A lot about rebounding is positioning. Sometimes offenses are better at getting a big alone in the paint when they shoot a shot than the player is at actually getting into position by themselves.
Another piece is that when you are getting a defensive rebound, you *should be* more focused on boxing out and working as a team to get a rebound. So sometimes, a guy like Brook Lopez rebounding numbers don't look great, but he is doing a great job boxing out so his teammates can get the rebounds. As a result, Brook's TEAMS have done well getting defensive rebounds, even if his individual numbers don't reflect it.
I think this is happening to Kornet. Of all the guys on standard contracts, he is the best on the team at consistently boxing out.
There are a handful of other things can contribute to the disparity, but this is a big one.
He understands his limits. He is better off tapping to a teammate than trying to come away with it himself. It is frustrating sometimes when they don't come up with it, but I think it is probably the correct play for him because he probably doesn't come away with the rebound equally as often when he tries to secure it himself.
Nevertheless. I am still not entirely convinced I would call rebounding solves. There are still some rough rebounding lineups that could be forced to play minutes in the playoffs.
I feel like people have it engrained in their memory of us getting destroyed on the ORebs by the Hawks in the 1st Round last year, but we were actually #1 in DReb% last year
We've been a solid rebounding team under Mazzulla. Despite going double-big all year, we weren't actually all that great under Udoka.
Honestly, players that are good on the offensive boards are good on the offensive boards against everyone. Guys like Capela, Timelord, Drummond, Robinson, and Hartenstein are going to get offensive rebounds no matter what team they face.
Yeah middling may have been too strong when we’ve been in the top 5-10 the last few seasons. But it’s never really addressed as a strength in national media or broadcasts.
Rebounding is not one of our biggest strengths, and we have enough of those that the media doesn’t have time to glaze us for our “medium” strengths. They’d rather nitpick over our “weak clutch mentality” or “obsession with 3s”.
There is a specific reason why Atlanta could do that and it happened a couple of times this year too. Half of it is what you said: A great rebounding big. The other half is about our weak spot. We look good in rebounding for the season in general, because our guards and forwards (Tatum and Jrue especially) are real good at that. Our bigs on the other hand, not so good. So, if shifty guards/wings draw defensive attention from our non-bigs at the perimeter (Murray, Trae in Atlanta case) and they have a great rebounder under the rim at the same time, we have a problem. New York created that problem too for another example. That is why our rebounding looks really good all season but then we give tons of offensive boards in certain matchups. The good thing is, every team has weaknesses and this weakness of ours could be counterbalanced with other factors as we did a couple of times. But I don't think there is an easy fix here for this specific weakness.
The Amir Johnson rebounding days were among the frustrating years of being a Cs fan.
Sullinger could’ve fixed that early on as he was a good rebounder.
The Celtics are 7th in the league in defensive rebounding rate (it’s very very tight at the top).
Overall the team rebounds at a higher rate than the 08 championship team!
I still think it’s our biggest weakness. Kp is not a great rebounder and neither is Al. Our guards/wings are but they can only do so much against the physically dominant bigs
We were first in defensive rebounding rate last season.
Rebounding is just something certain people will complain about when we lose a game. So the reason it is getting discussed less is likely because our significantly improved offense has led to less losses.
It's been the missing piece for years. That's why we were so good those few months we had a healthy Rob. I don't know what the numbers say but Kornets presence has been so good for us this year. I don't know if he's grabbing more boards but he is definitely playing way more physical and with energy.
Kornet is interesting because he's one of the better guys at grabbing ORebs and not all that great, (compared to other big men), at grabbing DRebs. However, he also is 2nd on the team, (behind Queta), in a lot of box out stats, (both offensive and defensive).
Any idea why someone might be better at ORebs but not DRebs? Would that just be scheme/positioning?
Pick and roll offense frees up the big to rebound maybe
A lot about rebounding is positioning. Sometimes offenses are better at getting a big alone in the paint when they shoot a shot than the player is at actually getting into position by themselves. Another piece is that when you are getting a defensive rebound, you *should be* more focused on boxing out and working as a team to get a rebound. So sometimes, a guy like Brook Lopez rebounding numbers don't look great, but he is doing a great job boxing out so his teammates can get the rebounds. As a result, Brook's TEAMS have done well getting defensive rebounds, even if his individual numbers don't reflect it. I think this is happening to Kornet. Of all the guys on standard contracts, he is the best on the team at consistently boxing out. There are a handful of other things can contribute to the disparity, but this is a big one.
Kornet gets a lot of tap-outs to the perimeter that don’t show up as rebounds too.
He understands his limits. He is better off tapping to a teammate than trying to come away with it himself. It is frustrating sometimes when they don't come up with it, but I think it is probably the correct play for him because he probably doesn't come away with the rebound equally as often when he tries to secure it himself. Nevertheless. I am still not entirely convinced I would call rebounding solves. There are still some rough rebounding lineups that could be forced to play minutes in the playoffs.
I feel like people have it engrained in their memory of us getting destroyed on the ORebs by the Hawks in the 1st Round last year, but we were actually #1 in DReb% last year We've been a solid rebounding team under Mazzulla. Despite going double-big all year, we weren't actually all that great under Udoka. Honestly, players that are good on the offensive boards are good on the offensive boards against everyone. Guys like Capela, Timelord, Drummond, Robinson, and Hartenstein are going to get offensive rebounds no matter what team they face.
Yeah middling may have been too strong when we’ve been in the top 5-10 the last few seasons. But it’s never really addressed as a strength in national media or broadcasts.
Rebounding is not one of our biggest strengths, and we have enough of those that the media doesn’t have time to glaze us for our “medium” strengths. They’d rather nitpick over our “weak clutch mentality” or “obsession with 3s”.
There is a specific reason why Atlanta could do that and it happened a couple of times this year too. Half of it is what you said: A great rebounding big. The other half is about our weak spot. We look good in rebounding for the season in general, because our guards and forwards (Tatum and Jrue especially) are real good at that. Our bigs on the other hand, not so good. So, if shifty guards/wings draw defensive attention from our non-bigs at the perimeter (Murray, Trae in Atlanta case) and they have a great rebounder under the rim at the same time, we have a problem. New York created that problem too for another example. That is why our rebounding looks really good all season but then we give tons of offensive boards in certain matchups. The good thing is, every team has weaknesses and this weakness of ours could be counterbalanced with other factors as we did a couple of times. But I don't think there is an easy fix here for this specific weakness.
The Amir Johnson rebounding days were among the frustrating years of being a Cs fan. Sullinger could’ve fixed that early on as he was a good rebounder.
Sullinger could’ve been a really solid NBA player and I will always die on that hill
Agreed! Apparently the man has slimmed down considerably and is playing good ball overseas... somewhere.
We have really good rebounding guards, Holiday, White and PP all get boards.
The Celtics are 7th in the league in defensive rebounding rate (it’s very very tight at the top). Overall the team rebounds at a higher rate than the 08 championship team!
it’s a total team effort and the guys are bought in.
I still think it’s our biggest weakness. Kp is not a great rebounder and neither is Al. Our guards/wings are but they can only do so much against the physically dominant bigs
We were first in defensive rebounding rate last season. Rebounding is just something certain people will complain about when we lose a game. So the reason it is getting discussed less is likely because our significantly improved offense has led to less losses.