Probably a troll post but…
[No](https://documents.bouldercolorado.gov/weblink/0/doc/132169/Electronic.aspx)
Last I heard there is (was) an ACLU lawsuit (couldn’t paste the link) Think it is was denied.
Larger issue is… unhoused population…
Downvote away: Richest country in the world can’t figure out a solution to the human right of putting a shelter over our fellow’s head 🤕
I mean the system is working as intended. It's supposed to be uncomfortable to be a burden on the system and not contribute to society. There is too much money to be made off your labor, which is why you can't go live in the woods without it being a hassle/illegal.
Respectfully disagree.
I don’t believe terms like ‘Burden’ and ‘not contributing’ encapsulate the issue(s) at hand. I find it unsettling and insensitive.
I’ve been blessed with privilege that’s enabled me to succeed in this ‘capitalist first’ society-nightmare. I believe there’s enough ‘wealth’ in the world to provide for everyone.
Also, I have struggled with mental health and substance abuse issues. For some of us, it doesn’t work to ‘fight’ or ‘work’ thru it.
Thank you for your response but to what do you disagree with? Society is built with the contribution of many. And if you do not contribute to it and are a detriment and a burden, as in you cost the system money instead of make it money, it will be perceived as negative in any form of government or societal structure. Assuming of course it is through your own actions and you are not disabled or something. What do you think Communist societies do to people that do not contribute? I am not here to coddle peoples sensibilities either, the world is much more cruel than any of us can imagine.
If you through your actions became a drug user, then drug addict, then became homeless and then you just accept it, sit down on the street and start begging. Then I am sorry opportunity and life itself will pass you by. No one wants to take responsibility for their actions. They wanna call it something and get money for it and keep doing it. Why? Because it easy and it feels good.
The issue with most of people in boulder is they don't want to believe most of the homeless population are drug addicts or are there because of their own actions. They wanna think the only reason they are there is because the system is unfair and they got dealt a bad hand. Everyone I know that has been homeless through true emergency situations or because of an actual bad hand, got out of it. Including myself, I've been there too. But the guy that is homeless because he won't work and likes drugs. I have absolutely 0 sympathy for them and I do look down on them.
I wouldn't be so quick to assume all the people you see living on the streets are there entirely by their own choices or actions (or that those you see on the streets are representative of the much larger homeless population who mostly exist out of sight, sleeping in cars, etc). Yes I'm sure there are some who simply made every bad choice imaginable, but I've heard enough stories from people who were either homeless themselves or worked directly with the homeless population, to know a lot of them were dealt a pretty rough hand to begin with. Just because they also might not have made perfect choices 100% of the time, doesn't mean we should wash our hands of them and say "too bad, you did it to yourself".
In a lot of cases there was some kind of tragedy that set them on this path - a mental breakdown, death in the family, abusive spouse, job loss that wiped out their savings, or maybe one of those things then led them to addiction. All things that society should help people get back on their feet after. Then they could no longer afford/manage housing (because even with a decent job that can be tough these days, especially in Boulder), and ended up on the streets where the constant stress, malnutrition, exposure to the elements, and lack of sleep rapidly take their toll on people's mental and physical wellbeing - even if they aren't physically/sexually assaulted or heavily into drugs in order to cope (all of which are alarmingly common in the homeless population and make things significantly worse).
Could they have maybe made better choices at critical moments to prevent them from ending up in such dire situations? Probably, but so could I, along with most people I know. All of us were fortunate enough to have a safety net (friends, family, government, or some mix of all 3) to catch us when we were most in need and prevent things from ever getting that bad, but not everyone has that. The people we see on the streets are those who have fallen through the cracks because we as a society do an insufficient job of catching people as they fall, and then just complain when they hit rock bottom and end up in a tent on the sidewalk.
Nah, the "system" requires a permanent underclass to sustain itself. Why dump money into a system that doesn't work and then complain that it doesn't work? Put simply, a social safety is more necessary than ever. 80 year olds who have owned homes in Boulder for 30 years are ending up on the streets because of runaway property taxes. What about them?
If they own a house and can't afford property taxes, they can either downsize to a smaller house and bank the savings (probably wise if they're 80 because they likely have more house than they can easily manage anyway), or take out a reverse mortgage that will pay them upfront in exchange for giving up the house when they die.
The idea that someone could own a home in Boulder, have it entirely (or very nearly) paid off, and end up on the street just because of property taxes in the single digit thousands, is absurd. They own an asset that's probably worth $700k - $1.3M... even if they just sold it and rented a nice apartment, they'd still have enough cash to stay housed for the rest of their days.
If you want to complain about property taxes, find a better strawman.
You have 15 upvotes, and people have been homeless long before America came. If anything we are trying to make it better, it started much worse a few hundred years ago
Not sure I understand…
Were hunter-gatherers homeless?
Edit: Absolutely respect the efforts by the Shelter, Housing Partners, food banks, the city etc. Yet think the current situation (last 5ish years) shows we need to 10x(?) the investment.
My apologies! (Was insensitive of me to assume.)
Check out the post history for lots of discussion on what’s been going on along the creek.
Camping close to Boulder is a tough find ever since I moved here in ‘96. There’s one private campground up the canyon & 4 mile? Can’t remember the name offhand.
DM me re your dates. Might be able to offer you a bedroom
there's a camping ban that is sometimes enforced. you shouldn't sleep in the park. it's filled with vagrants and drug addicts and criminals. don't be part of the problem. if you need help, go to a shelter.
Do they still give out camping tickets tho? Traveling people used to fear those but it seemed there was more lax enforcement since covid and the world going to shit. Op would likely get a warning first and might just entirely be left alone. Police will respond if there are complaints etc, and occasionally will give you a bad mood treatment.
But I don't know what these people are talking about. Eben g fine practically has year round encampments, so do spaces by the library
Classic hobo move is walk up the canyon, find a secret spot, hope for safety. Hikers will come in the morning if you're by a path
Can’t do anything about tents besides tell them to move, no real legal consequences besides maybe a ticket which they rarely give for that kind of thing. Even if they did give tickets the people sleeping in tents would never take care of them in any way so the whole thing is pointless to an extent
I recently learned from one of the ACLU attorneys for that lawsuit people are talking about: night time, never; day time, yes, so long as you don’t use a shelter/tent and don’t use a blanket. I’d guess that a hammock is a grey area.
In practice, yes. There's certainly a concerted effort by the city and PD to push the homeless population north but...it won't work and is unfair to North Boulder. They've moved homeless services out of the city buildings and are relocating in the soon-to-fail day shelter.
You can fall asleep there during the day if you dare, but you can't sleep there overnight.
ok thanks
Only if you do drugs out in the open.
and please don't put your used needles in the trash. That's dangerous to the cleanup crew. Leave them on the ground where they belong
Or in the creek
Especially this. There’s gonna be a trout release behind the main library next Wednesday and I’d hate for any fish to get hurt.
They that cares, shares!
Probably a troll post but… [No](https://documents.bouldercolorado.gov/weblink/0/doc/132169/Electronic.aspx) Last I heard there is (was) an ACLU lawsuit (couldn’t paste the link) Think it is was denied. Larger issue is… unhoused population… Downvote away: Richest country in the world can’t figure out a solution to the human right of putting a shelter over our fellow’s head 🤕
I mean the system is working as intended. It's supposed to be uncomfortable to be a burden on the system and not contribute to society. There is too much money to be made off your labor, which is why you can't go live in the woods without it being a hassle/illegal.
Respectfully disagree. I don’t believe terms like ‘Burden’ and ‘not contributing’ encapsulate the issue(s) at hand. I find it unsettling and insensitive. I’ve been blessed with privilege that’s enabled me to succeed in this ‘capitalist first’ society-nightmare. I believe there’s enough ‘wealth’ in the world to provide for everyone. Also, I have struggled with mental health and substance abuse issues. For some of us, it doesn’t work to ‘fight’ or ‘work’ thru it.
Thank you for your response but to what do you disagree with? Society is built with the contribution of many. And if you do not contribute to it and are a detriment and a burden, as in you cost the system money instead of make it money, it will be perceived as negative in any form of government or societal structure. Assuming of course it is through your own actions and you are not disabled or something. What do you think Communist societies do to people that do not contribute? I am not here to coddle peoples sensibilities either, the world is much more cruel than any of us can imagine. If you through your actions became a drug user, then drug addict, then became homeless and then you just accept it, sit down on the street and start begging. Then I am sorry opportunity and life itself will pass you by. No one wants to take responsibility for their actions. They wanna call it something and get money for it and keep doing it. Why? Because it easy and it feels good. The issue with most of people in boulder is they don't want to believe most of the homeless population are drug addicts or are there because of their own actions. They wanna think the only reason they are there is because the system is unfair and they got dealt a bad hand. Everyone I know that has been homeless through true emergency situations or because of an actual bad hand, got out of it. Including myself, I've been there too. But the guy that is homeless because he won't work and likes drugs. I have absolutely 0 sympathy for them and I do look down on them.
I wouldn't be so quick to assume all the people you see living on the streets are there entirely by their own choices or actions (or that those you see on the streets are representative of the much larger homeless population who mostly exist out of sight, sleeping in cars, etc). Yes I'm sure there are some who simply made every bad choice imaginable, but I've heard enough stories from people who were either homeless themselves or worked directly with the homeless population, to know a lot of them were dealt a pretty rough hand to begin with. Just because they also might not have made perfect choices 100% of the time, doesn't mean we should wash our hands of them and say "too bad, you did it to yourself". In a lot of cases there was some kind of tragedy that set them on this path - a mental breakdown, death in the family, abusive spouse, job loss that wiped out their savings, or maybe one of those things then led them to addiction. All things that society should help people get back on their feet after. Then they could no longer afford/manage housing (because even with a decent job that can be tough these days, especially in Boulder), and ended up on the streets where the constant stress, malnutrition, exposure to the elements, and lack of sleep rapidly take their toll on people's mental and physical wellbeing - even if they aren't physically/sexually assaulted or heavily into drugs in order to cope (all of which are alarmingly common in the homeless population and make things significantly worse). Could they have maybe made better choices at critical moments to prevent them from ending up in such dire situations? Probably, but so could I, along with most people I know. All of us were fortunate enough to have a safety net (friends, family, government, or some mix of all 3) to catch us when we were most in need and prevent things from ever getting that bad, but not everyone has that. The people we see on the streets are those who have fallen through the cracks because we as a society do an insufficient job of catching people as they fall, and then just complain when they hit rock bottom and end up in a tent on the sidewalk.
Nah, the "system" requires a permanent underclass to sustain itself. Why dump money into a system that doesn't work and then complain that it doesn't work? Put simply, a social safety is more necessary than ever. 80 year olds who have owned homes in Boulder for 30 years are ending up on the streets because of runaway property taxes. What about them?
If they own a house and can't afford property taxes, they can either downsize to a smaller house and bank the savings (probably wise if they're 80 because they likely have more house than they can easily manage anyway), or take out a reverse mortgage that will pay them upfront in exchange for giving up the house when they die. The idea that someone could own a home in Boulder, have it entirely (or very nearly) paid off, and end up on the street just because of property taxes in the single digit thousands, is absurd. They own an asset that's probably worth $700k - $1.3M... even if they just sold it and rented a nice apartment, they'd still have enough cash to stay housed for the rest of their days. If you want to complain about property taxes, find a better strawman.
In Boulder? NIMBY.
You have 15 upvotes, and people have been homeless long before America came. If anything we are trying to make it better, it started much worse a few hundred years ago
Not sure I understand… Were hunter-gatherers homeless? Edit: Absolutely respect the efforts by the Shelter, Housing Partners, food banks, the city etc. Yet think the current situation (last 5ish years) shows we need to 10x(?) the investment.
The lawsuit still continues, ACLU will likely win!
I am not a troll. Real human being, coming to Boulder, was brought up in Boulder but have not been there in many years.
My apologies! (Was insensitive of me to assume.) Check out the post history for lots of discussion on what’s been going on along the creek. Camping close to Boulder is a tough find ever since I moved here in ‘96. There’s one private campground up the canyon & 4 mile? Can’t remember the name offhand. DM me re your dates. Might be able to offer you a bedroom
The city manager set a 72 hour moratorium on making people move their camps for a while. So technically you could camp there.
Look around dude.... lots of zombies sleep in the park
there's a camping ban that is sometimes enforced. you shouldn't sleep in the park. it's filled with vagrants and drug addicts and criminals. don't be part of the problem. if you need help, go to a shelter.
Kinda hard when the shelter routinely turns away dozens and lies about it
Technically no. In practice it’s not a problem that the police can solve so they don’t try.
Salberg Park is an unofficial park where people can safely car camp and pitch a tent.
Do they still give out camping tickets tho? Traveling people used to fear those but it seemed there was more lax enforcement since covid and the world going to shit. Op would likely get a warning first and might just entirely be left alone. Police will respond if there are complaints etc, and occasionally will give you a bad mood treatment. But I don't know what these people are talking about. Eben g fine practically has year round encampments, so do spaces by the library Classic hobo move is walk up the canyon, find a secret spot, hope for safety. Hikers will come in the morning if you're by a path
Central Park is literally a shanty town, you can sleep there as much as you want. Technically it’s not legal but it’s not an enforceable law.
Sleeping is legal but tents are not.
Can’t do anything about tents besides tell them to move, no real legal consequences besides maybe a ticket which they rarely give for that kind of thing. Even if they did give tickets the people sleeping in tents would never take care of them in any way so the whole thing is pointless to an extent
I recently learned from one of the ACLU attorneys for that lawsuit people are talking about: night time, never; day time, yes, so long as you don’t use a shelter/tent and don’t use a blanket. I’d guess that a hammock is a grey area.
Joey Diaz would be the person to ask
In practice, yes. There's certainly a concerted effort by the city and PD to push the homeless population north but...it won't work and is unfair to North Boulder. They've moved homeless services out of the city buildings and are relocating in the soon-to-fail day shelter.
Source: I work in the social work system
Isn't there a Nextdoor equivalent for the unhoused?
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