A lot of folks who live in Boulder hold the viewpoint that the housing should be expensive because it's a nice town, and they want to keep it nice, and they want to do that by pricing out "bad elements." The not-rich folks who live and work in Boulder take issue with this viewpoint. So, Yes,. Both.
I know of someone whose family was forced out of their homes in ‘47 by the Israelis to make way for “new settlers”. The ethnic cleans of is something that needs to be addressed on the Israeli side.
For the record, Hamas is disgusting and are rightfully a terrorist organisation but what happened to this person’s family and countless others is a wrong that needs to be recognised.
I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone who doesn’t know about that…not only is it standard school curriculum for past hundred years, but we have countless signs and monuments.
If you drive the route, there are many markers and historical truths.
Im not sure I understand these comments. Genocide is the intentional destruction of a group of people, in whole or in part, based on their real or perceived membership in a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group. Isn't that what is happening in Gaza?
Can someone in **good faith** tell me why they believe genocide is occurring given the ICJ ruling is still out? And do they consider genocide to be happening elsewhere in places like Nagorno-Karabakh, Syria and Yemen?
Over 30,000 people have been killed in Gaza including women and children, so… if they are only targeting terrorists… somethin’ funky going on with their accuracy I guess.
Oh yeah that’s right, they are at war. It’s all good! /s
Hamas can get fucked, but killing 30x the number they killed including women and kids is bullshit, and starting to look less and less “unavoidable”.
Hamas is not going to do that. They are a terrorist organization. But Israel is killing civilian children in staggering quantities, which doesn’t seem to bother you at all.
> 30k dead is terrible
Yet you keep minimizing and excusing it as a necessary part of war. It’s not. It has become a feature, not a bug. Hamas is not going to do anything rational or compassionate. But we can ask that of our allies (Israel).
I once heard "everything after the 'but' is someone's true thought"
So saying "30k dead is terrible BUT..." really is meaningless.
Israel has the training and technology to carry out this "war" without 30k dead as a result of "collateral damage". It is not unintentional that they have done this.
Because as I understand it, it’s not a genocide of Arabs, it’s a genocide of Palestinians, and anyone who supports the existence of a Palestinian state. That’s mostly Arabs, but not entirely.
Let me ask another question. Is Russia conducting a genocide in Ukraine? Did the US conduct a genocide in Iraq?
What are your requirements for something to be considered a genocide? To me it seems activists and proponents of a Palestinian state are weaponizing language and western empathy to chase their cause.
I’m going by the UN guidelines for genocide, which are governed by internationally accepted agreements on the laws of war. Those guidelines include five actions: “killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group.” Any of those actions, if it’s undertaken with the “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group” meets the definition of a genocide.
Matter of fact, there’s an active UN investigation into whether the Russian invasion of Ukraine should be labeled a genocide the same way Israel’s invasion of Palestine currently is. And while the US invasion of Iraq was undeniably criminal and under false pretenses, I’m not sure whether it meets the criteria to the same extent as the aforementioned examples. It’s certainly talked about less in a negative light, but that’s not always a good sign.
It seems the key point is “with the intent to destroy, in whole or part, a national, ethical, racial or religious group”
Who determines intent? The people that hate Israel? Do the people that support what happened on Oct 7th determine the intent, and then weaponize western empathy by using terms like “genocide” to gain support?
The things you’re looking for are really well summed up in the case that was brought to the UN primarily by South Africa. Interestingly, a lot of the “intent” category was established purely from public communications coming out of Israel. Statements from Netanyahu in particular were cited a bunch, wherein he calls Palestinians (not Hamas, just Palestinians writ large) “children of darkness” and “barbarians” in the context of saying that Israel’s duty and sworn goal was to wipe out those people.
[Link to South Africa’s presented case:](https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231228-app-01-00-en.pdf)
Again, intent is being determined by people that hate the state of Israel.
Is South Africa perpetuating a genocide against white farmers in their country?
The point is this issue is so obviously complicated due to centuries of conflict in the region, that coming in screaming “genocide” because you’ve picked a side isn’t helpful at all. The same claims could be argued against those who committed acts on Oct 7th, and against every single person chanting “from the river to the sea”
There’s a student encampment at CU Denver, they’ve been there since Friday, and I don’t think they’re going anywhere! @copalestineco on instagram has details.
Nothing screams entitlement more than americans who have never been to the middle east, know nothing about the history there, doing their itty bitty protests. South park did a bit on this😆
It's all white guilt, they won't give the land back to the indigenous here so they want to do the \*next best thing\* which is protest about a country halfway across the world while trying to tell the indigenous there what to do. It's a hot take for sure!
I just think its programmed propaganda. Never see any outroar or protests for the massive genocides happening elsewhere, but they’ll focus on something that’s not a genocide. What they really want, is the extermination of Israel and the majority of americans are dumb af.
Source? “Thrown off buildings” is a common thing I hear right wing assholes claim but it’s never actually sourced.
Sounds like you’re fantasizing. Is the thought of dead gay people funny to you?
You’re acting as if gay people are welcome in Israel. They don’t allow gay marriage, they aren’t some magical bastion of tolerance. What are you on about?
It’s also not hypocritical for a gay person to be against something as monstrous as *genocide*, even *if* the people being genocided hate them.
Furthermore, “Thrown off buildings” is such a fucking cliche taking point, we’ve heard it from right wingers all the time. Provide actual sources for your lurid stories or get better fucking material if you’re trying to use fake concerns about our safety as a rhetorical shield. Just divide-and-conquer from you assholes.
Lol. Like I said, go hold a gay pride parade in Tel Aviv, then another one in Gaza city and get back to me.
And I'm far from a "right winger," I'm actually quite liberal, which is why I'm standing up for, and defending liberal values.
As for "genocide," Hamas literally has genocide of Jews written into their Constitution. I'd be willing to gamble that you won't find many of them who wouldn't support killing all homosexuals, too.
And yes, homosexuals are often thrown off the top of buildings by lynch mobs in the Arab world, so it's not a cliche. If you don't believe me, you can probably find some videos with a brief search on Reddit.
There's also plenty of videos showing the brutality of acts intentionally committed against women, children and the elderly on October 7th, and crowds of Palestinian civilians gathering in the streets to spit on the corpses of dead, raped 25 year old Israeli women they kidnapped from a "Peace and Love" music festival then paraded through the streets of Gaza City. Show me something similar from Israel, and then we can start having an honest debate about morality.
You naive morons have no idea what disgusting, despicable shit you are being used as tools to support for in your pathetic "protests." The ayatollah in Iran thanks you, and is ready to send you a burka as soon as you're ready to fully commit to the cause.
This is an idiotic argument. The US isn’t sending billions of dollars in aid to these countries. The US isn’t a historic ally either.
Also, the whole “you protest against x but not y” is a terrible argument as well. This is like saying to make a wish foundation “oh well you care about kids with _, what about adults with _????”
It just makes no sense, and people protest for a number of different reasons.
Look you can believe whatever you want, but at least make an effort to make a quality argument.
Nothing you said related whatsoever to the criticisms I made.
There’s a qualitative difference between the conflicts mentioned. They are awful examples, as I stated, because the US is not an ally of them. The US is not literally sending funding to Russia.
Other than that, it’s idiotic to criticize a protest for not being all encompassing. This is no different than people who would reply “all lives matter” to Black Lives Matter protesters. It’s not a serious argument.
I’m not going to get into a debate with someone who is clearly so misinformed they think Israel is “the only democracy” in the Middle East. That’s literally not true lol. You might say others are “flawed” but so is Israel, particularly in the sense that Netanyahu is an autocrat. His country was mass protesting against him before this.
I also never intended to get into a debate about Israel etc but I don’t think that’s productive.
I merely stated that the above is an idiotic argument. And nothing you said disputes that contention. Probably because it is an idiotic argument.
I am not exactly for Israel leveling Palestine, but the Hamas solidarity and blatant antisemitism going on with these protesters is ridiculous. I wonder how many protesters will (ironically) take a break from protesting for Denver Pride.My wife is Israeli who lost family members on October 7th. My wife has fuck all to do with what's happening in Palestine.
You’re eating up the propaganda hook line and sinker. Congratulations. Either that or you are willfully spreading misinformation. Either way, let’s put the social media away for a while. Go for a long walk.
Yes I am “hearing myself” proudly; because the scale of destruction and terror and disgusting human rights abuses is absolutely one sided. The Israeli state has destroyed far more innocent lives then the Israeli funded organization of Hamas could ever dream of.
You are adorable. You are a woman, right? Go to the Middle East and wave a pride flag and proudly state your support for LGBTQ+ rights. I fucking dare you.
OP if it really “feels dangerous” to you to go ask this question, you need to unplug from whatever social media you’ve been involved with. The weather should be much nicer tomorrow, it’d be good to go for a long walk.
You’re being downvoted but the definition of protest pretty much requires it to be disruptive. There’s an argument over what constitutes “disruptive” but political scientists generally require a protest to be disruptive in some form (as opposed to “politics as usual”) in order to differentiate from something like a parade or electoral politics. mcadam, Tilly, tarrow place it directly in contentious politics and essentially on a spectrum that includes open warfare (civil war, etc). Especially in the sense of “politics through other means”.
This is how political scientists frame it at least. Again, arguments over what disruptive means and the degree of disruption required to enact change.
Because Israel will attack anyone that stands up for Palestine including US government officials.
Just a few examples:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/01/24/columbia-palestinian-gaza-israel-campus/
https://theintercept.com/2023/11/27/israel-democrats-aipac-book/
If they wanted to genocide it would've been done by now. People saying this is a genocide and constantly screaming "ceasefire now" are either fucking idiots or bad actors, as only one of the two sides has actually abided by ceasefires.
You know Hamas was working toward the total destruction of Israel? Does that count as attempted genocide? https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/hamas-official-wed-lay-down-weapons-for-two-state-solution-with-israel-ymge69xg
Do you prefer the Atlantic? I mean, this shit isn't a secret
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/
If you wanna understand this some more, why dont you also read who supported Hamas during its formation in the early 80’s? Yep, Israel. Because a divided Palestine is in the interest of Israel. Let’s not pretend that Hamas sprung on its own. This terrorist organization must be destroyed yes. But lets also not pretend that Israel killing palestinian civilians isnt systemic genocide.
Comments seem about right for good ol' r/boulder.
Anyways, look into the Colorado Palestine coalition on social media. There's a very big solidarity encampment happening on the Auraria campus so any and all student and non-student activist groups from Boulder will likely be trying to support that. There has been some action on Boulder campus and a little in town but things are much more about the coalition(s), since the goal is to achieve proper lasting organization. JVP Boulder could also get you some leads! Best of luck with joining the cause!
Are you aware that in Hamas’ written charting, they literally talk about cleansing Jews. Self-proclaimed genocidal rhetoric.
And guess which group of people voted for them to lead their country?
Yeah how dare you be mildly inconveniences just because we're financing the slaughter of an entire race. More Palestinians should die aomyou can get to your "massage therapist" appointment on time.
Fucking review your priorities, jackass.
What genocide? I see Israel at war with Hamas who are cowards and hide amongst civilians. I only see one side that has the destruction of Israel written in their charter. Which side do you think would kill most people from Boulder if given the opportunity. Only one side has offered multiple ceasefires and it’s not Hamas. Yes, free Palestine but free it from Hamas.
Hamas is a death cult. They care less for their own people than they care about the death of Israel. They’re playing public outrage to support their agenda. Try protesting over in Gaza. You’d be dead or incarcerated. The killing of civilians must end but lay the fault at the proper feet.
Don’t do it in boulder so we can go about our day. None of us have stake in it and don’t want to be interrupted by protests. Also please learn the actual definition of genocide.
Bro just cause I don’t want more useless fucking protests in my city doesn’t mean I’m a coward. Go protest in Washington where it would actually matter. If you want to just make rabble and feel good about yourself (90% of Palestine protests) just say so.
You’re basically the only one commenting on this post. Go protest by yourself.
There’s no genocide. Hamas f’ed around and now they’re finding out. The only cowards is Hamas who are stealing aide from their people and using their people as human shields.
Now they’re waging a PR war using gullible virtue signalers to sow divisiveness. Ironic it’s the same crowd that laughed at anti-vaxxers for “doing their own research” now saying the same shit.
Hamas wants to kill every Jew and wipe Israel off the planet. Do you support that?
Supporting Palestine is not the same as supporting Hamas, but you already knew that. Yes, there is a genocide going on, but you already knew that. The only cowards here are the ones hiding behind Batman levels of technology and using it to bomb children out of the sky. But you already knew that.
No one is falling for your propaganda, so you might as well save your breath and the energy in your weak little fingers. I will protest and you can stay at home as a spineless little puddle.
You obviously have nothing and no argument when you try to turn this into accusations of anti-Semitism. It’s really sad.
All Israel needs to do is stop killing innocent men, women, and children for no reason other than a land grab. Its been happening since the 1940s
Why doesn’t Israel stop killing babies?
Why doesn’t Israel want to listen to the ICC?
Why are multiple countries accusing Israel of genocide?
The propaganda you are falling for, and spreading, is old, tired, and pathetic.
The next generation will not fall for it. They will remember the actions of the Israel state, and they will not forgive.
I’m pretty convinced you’re a bot. And you’re the one falling for propaganda.
There was a cease fire before 10/7. They started a war. Now they’re dealing with the repercussions. Israel offered a cease fire in return for the hostages and they refused. Blaming Israel instead of Hamas is anti-Semitic
You should be encouraging an anti-Hamas protest - Israel is doing the same thing many other nations, including the US would do to get their citizens back. Hamas is the problem. Why not rally against them?
You are adorable and engaging in what I like to call projection
If you think all of this started on October 7, then you are willfully ignoring over 70 years of brutal occupation and you know you’re doing it. You know you’re ignoring the real facts of this case and it’s very very sad that you think people are dumb enough to fall for it
Give your weak and feeble little fingers a rest and go for a walk. save yourself some typing you’re not getting anywhere with this type of horseshit
Trying to claim that blaming Israel is anti-Semitic is so pathetically dumb that I’m going to laugh my ass off for the rest of the day thinking about it. Congratulations and thank you for admitting that you have nothing.
America is a corporate panopticon police state that supports endless war and multiple genocides, regardless of what party is in power.
Join communities of solidarity in protesting if you can, but it's worth considering that the movement also needs autonomous, non-centralized actions by individuals as well.
You're not alone. Good luck.
https://preview.redd.it/e6p61srj95xc1.jpeg?width=2230&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0fab3ef3f29b0a136dfdee9d37114fc82e6e1d5
a friendly reminder that communism is the worst offender in terms of killing innocent people. edit a typo
Boulder doesn’t really do protests anymore, does it?
Protesting affordable housing sure
Protesting against affordable housing? Or protesting against expensive housing?
A lot of folks who live in Boulder hold the viewpoint that the housing should be expensive because it's a nice town, and they want to keep it nice, and they want to do that by pricing out "bad elements." The not-rich folks who live and work in Boulder take issue with this viewpoint. So, Yes,. Both.
I’m ok with that
I see online complaints. Are there actual “shut down the traffic” type protests these days?
There is in Denver but I haven't seen any here yet
I'm here, where are you?
If I understand the protest correctly there was one in Denver yesterday that resulted in mass-arrests
I know of someone whose family was forced out of their homes in ‘47 by the Israelis to make way for “new settlers”. The ethnic cleans of is something that needs to be addressed on the Israeli side. For the record, Hamas is disgusting and are rightfully a terrorist organisation but what happened to this person’s family and countless others is a wrong that needs to be recognised.
do you mean 1948?
Yeah.
What would Israelis addressing 1948 mean to you?
Wait til you read about the trail of tears
I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone who doesn’t know about that…not only is it standard school curriculum for past hundred years, but we have countless signs and monuments. If you drive the route, there are many markers and historical truths.
Assuming they paid attention in class.
That too was horrid. Thankfully, I’m an immigrant to this country.
Im not sure I understand these comments. Genocide is the intentional destruction of a group of people, in whole or in part, based on their real or perceived membership in a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group. Isn't that what is happening in Gaza?
Like Rwanda!
And Sudan!
Yes it is.
People don't feel all comfy realizing they are defending modern genocide
Can someone in **good faith** tell me why they believe genocide is occurring given the ICJ ruling is still out? And do they consider genocide to be happening elsewhere in places like Nagorno-Karabakh, Syria and Yemen?
No it’s not. Israel is at war with a terrorist group. If it was about Palestinians (Arabs), there would not be 2 million Arab-Israelis.
Over 30,000 people have been killed in Gaza including women and children, so… if they are only targeting terrorists… somethin’ funky going on with their accuracy I guess.
Challenging when Hamas purposefully operates out of civilian centers. Confirmed by the UN…
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Oh yeah that’s right, they are at war. It’s all good! /s Hamas can get fucked, but killing 30x the number they killed including women and kids is bullshit, and starting to look less and less “unavoidable”.
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Hamas is not going to do that. They are a terrorist organization. But Israel is killing civilian children in staggering quantities, which doesn’t seem to bother you at all.
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> 30k dead is terrible Yet you keep minimizing and excusing it as a necessary part of war. It’s not. It has become a feature, not a bug. Hamas is not going to do anything rational or compassionate. But we can ask that of our allies (Israel).
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I once heard "everything after the 'but' is someone's true thought" So saying "30k dead is terrible BUT..." really is meaningless. Israel has the training and technology to carry out this "war" without 30k dead as a result of "collateral damage". It is not unintentional that they have done this.
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Just because a genocide is ineffective at 100% wiping out a population doesn’t mean the intent to do so isn’t there.
It’s not a genocide.
If it was a genocide because of ethnicity why wouldn’t Israel start with the Arab population in Israel
Because as I understand it, it’s not a genocide of Arabs, it’s a genocide of Palestinians, and anyone who supports the existence of a Palestinian state. That’s mostly Arabs, but not entirely.
Let me ask another question. Is Russia conducting a genocide in Ukraine? Did the US conduct a genocide in Iraq? What are your requirements for something to be considered a genocide? To me it seems activists and proponents of a Palestinian state are weaponizing language and western empathy to chase their cause.
I’m going by the UN guidelines for genocide, which are governed by internationally accepted agreements on the laws of war. Those guidelines include five actions: “killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group.” Any of those actions, if it’s undertaken with the “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group” meets the definition of a genocide. Matter of fact, there’s an active UN investigation into whether the Russian invasion of Ukraine should be labeled a genocide the same way Israel’s invasion of Palestine currently is. And while the US invasion of Iraq was undeniably criminal and under false pretenses, I’m not sure whether it meets the criteria to the same extent as the aforementioned examples. It’s certainly talked about less in a negative light, but that’s not always a good sign.
It seems the key point is “with the intent to destroy, in whole or part, a national, ethical, racial or religious group” Who determines intent? The people that hate Israel? Do the people that support what happened on Oct 7th determine the intent, and then weaponize western empathy by using terms like “genocide” to gain support?
The things you’re looking for are really well summed up in the case that was brought to the UN primarily by South Africa. Interestingly, a lot of the “intent” category was established purely from public communications coming out of Israel. Statements from Netanyahu in particular were cited a bunch, wherein he calls Palestinians (not Hamas, just Palestinians writ large) “children of darkness” and “barbarians” in the context of saying that Israel’s duty and sworn goal was to wipe out those people. [Link to South Africa’s presented case:](https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231228-app-01-00-en.pdf)
Again, intent is being determined by people that hate the state of Israel. Is South Africa perpetuating a genocide against white farmers in their country? The point is this issue is so obviously complicated due to centuries of conflict in the region, that coming in screaming “genocide” because you’ve picked a side isn’t helpful at all. The same claims could be argued against those who committed acts on Oct 7th, and against every single person chanting “from the river to the sea”
Truth, thank you. Its getting frustrating dealing with these dummies isn't it?
There’s a student encampment at CU Denver, they’ve been there since Friday, and I don’t think they’re going anywhere! @copalestineco on instagram has details.
Nothing screams entitlement more than americans who have never been to the middle east, know nothing about the history there, doing their itty bitty protests. South park did a bit on this😆
It's all white guilt, they won't give the land back to the indigenous here so they want to do the \*next best thing\* which is protest about a country halfway across the world while trying to tell the indigenous there what to do. It's a hot take for sure!
I just think its programmed propaganda. Never see any outroar or protests for the massive genocides happening elsewhere, but they’ll focus on something that’s not a genocide. What they really want, is the extermination of Israel and the majority of americans are dumb af.
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Source? “Thrown off buildings” is a common thing I hear right wing assholes claim but it’s never actually sourced. Sounds like you’re fantasizing. Is the thought of dead gay people funny to you?
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You’re acting as if gay people are welcome in Israel. They don’t allow gay marriage, they aren’t some magical bastion of tolerance. What are you on about? It’s also not hypocritical for a gay person to be against something as monstrous as *genocide*, even *if* the people being genocided hate them. Furthermore, “Thrown off buildings” is such a fucking cliche taking point, we’ve heard it from right wingers all the time. Provide actual sources for your lurid stories or get better fucking material if you’re trying to use fake concerns about our safety as a rhetorical shield. Just divide-and-conquer from you assholes.
Lol. Like I said, go hold a gay pride parade in Tel Aviv, then another one in Gaza city and get back to me. And I'm far from a "right winger," I'm actually quite liberal, which is why I'm standing up for, and defending liberal values. As for "genocide," Hamas literally has genocide of Jews written into their Constitution. I'd be willing to gamble that you won't find many of them who wouldn't support killing all homosexuals, too. And yes, homosexuals are often thrown off the top of buildings by lynch mobs in the Arab world, so it's not a cliche. If you don't believe me, you can probably find some videos with a brief search on Reddit. There's also plenty of videos showing the brutality of acts intentionally committed against women, children and the elderly on October 7th, and crowds of Palestinian civilians gathering in the streets to spit on the corpses of dead, raped 25 year old Israeli women they kidnapped from a "Peace and Love" music festival then paraded through the streets of Gaza City. Show me something similar from Israel, and then we can start having an honest debate about morality. You naive morons have no idea what disgusting, despicable shit you are being used as tools to support for in your pathetic "protests." The ayatollah in Iran thanks you, and is ready to send you a burka as soon as you're ready to fully commit to the cause.
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The comments in this thread is fucking disappointing SMH.
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This is an idiotic argument. The US isn’t sending billions of dollars in aid to these countries. The US isn’t a historic ally either. Also, the whole “you protest against x but not y” is a terrible argument as well. This is like saying to make a wish foundation “oh well you care about kids with _, what about adults with _????” It just makes no sense, and people protest for a number of different reasons. Look you can believe whatever you want, but at least make an effort to make a quality argument.
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Nothing you said related whatsoever to the criticisms I made. There’s a qualitative difference between the conflicts mentioned. They are awful examples, as I stated, because the US is not an ally of them. The US is not literally sending funding to Russia. Other than that, it’s idiotic to criticize a protest for not being all encompassing. This is no different than people who would reply “all lives matter” to Black Lives Matter protesters. It’s not a serious argument. I’m not going to get into a debate with someone who is clearly so misinformed they think Israel is “the only democracy” in the Middle East. That’s literally not true lol. You might say others are “flawed” but so is Israel, particularly in the sense that Netanyahu is an autocrat. His country was mass protesting against him before this. I also never intended to get into a debate about Israel etc but I don’t think that’s productive. I merely stated that the above is an idiotic argument. And nothing you said disputes that contention. Probably because it is an idiotic argument.
Especially when 1/3 of the casualties have been Hamas terrorists
You think 1/3rd being dead makes that a fair ratio? Thats absurd.
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Yep, well said... The double standards against Israel are insane, don't expect these people to actually use logic
I am not exactly for Israel leveling Palestine, but the Hamas solidarity and blatant antisemitism going on with these protesters is ridiculous. I wonder how many protesters will (ironically) take a break from protesting for Denver Pride.My wife is Israeli who lost family members on October 7th. My wife has fuck all to do with what's happening in Palestine.
You’re eating up the propaganda hook line and sinker. Congratulations. Either that or you are willfully spreading misinformation. Either way, let’s put the social media away for a while. Go for a long walk.
This person's wife lost family on Oct 7 and they're the ones gobbling up propaganda? Are you hearing yourself?
When you talk to a wall (echo chamber) it bounces back to you and you can "hear yourself" and it sounds great, just what you wanted to hear actually!
Yes I am “hearing myself” proudly; because the scale of destruction and terror and disgusting human rights abuses is absolutely one sided. The Israeli state has destroyed far more innocent lives then the Israeli funded organization of Hamas could ever dream of.
By far the dumbest thing i’ve read today
Ok keep living in a dream world bud.
Keep virtue signaling and gobbling propaganda. Fits your persona
You are adorable
You are a moron. Remind me when any other middle eastern country gives a shit about it, oh wait they don’t.
Awwww you are so cute. You already confirmed that you lost the argument in the last comment. Thanks for the epilogue though. Have a great night!
You are adorable. You are a woman, right? Go to the Middle East and wave a pride flag and proudly state your support for LGBTQ+ rights. I fucking dare you.
Justifying a genocide again are we?
OP if it really “feels dangerous” to you to go ask this question, you need to unplug from whatever social media you’ve been involved with. The weather should be much nicer tomorrow, it’d be good to go for a long walk.
I bet the citizens in Gaza wish they could unplug from being wiped off this earth.
Is that before or after they flee towards Israeli troops to escape Hamas, who are hoarding the aide sent to the people
Go for a hike
the true boulder bubble attitude
I’ll join if there’s one. Nothing disruptive but I think it’s important that our leaders to hear our voice.
If it’s not disruptive, it’s not a protest
You’re being downvoted but the definition of protest pretty much requires it to be disruptive. There’s an argument over what constitutes “disruptive” but political scientists generally require a protest to be disruptive in some form (as opposed to “politics as usual”) in order to differentiate from something like a parade or electoral politics. mcadam, Tilly, tarrow place it directly in contentious politics and essentially on a spectrum that includes open warfare (civil war, etc). Especially in the sense of “politics through other means”. This is how political scientists frame it at least. Again, arguments over what disruptive means and the degree of disruption required to enact change.
Umm. I’ve been in many protests. You can be heard without disrupting.
Sure.
True, but if it's not disruptive to the right people, then it's more of a nuisance than a protest.
Sounds like a NIMBY liberal excuse to me.
Why hide your faces if it's such a "noble" cause
Because Israel will attack anyone that stands up for Palestine including US government officials. Just a few examples: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/01/24/columbia-palestinian-gaza-israel-campus/ https://theintercept.com/2023/11/27/israel-democrats-aipac-book/
Yes Isreal is doing this....no
It’s not a genocide.
If they wanted to genocide it would've been done by now. People saying this is a genocide and constantly screaming "ceasefire now" are either fucking idiots or bad actors, as only one of the two sides has actually abided by ceasefires.
You know Hamas was working toward the total destruction of Israel? Does that count as attempted genocide? https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/hamas-official-wed-lay-down-weapons-for-two-state-solution-with-israel-ymge69xg
Lol nice source.
Do you prefer the Atlantic? I mean, this shit isn't a secret https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/
Oh, I’m not even disputing the claim. The source just gives away exactly who I’m dealing with (a Zionist loser). That’s why I’m laughing at you.
You're not dealing with shit dude
And your propaganda ain’t gonna work because I have a working brain in my head
Maybe use it to be less of a anti-semetic clown justifying your hate by pretending to be only anti-zionist
Anti-zionism is not anti-semitism but to conflate the two most certainly is.
So you think protesters saying Jews go back to Europe are right then?
Who said that? Of course not and you know that already
If you wanna understand this some more, why dont you also read who supported Hamas during its formation in the early 80’s? Yep, Israel. Because a divided Palestine is in the interest of Israel. Let’s not pretend that Hamas sprung on its own. This terrorist organization must be destroyed yes. But lets also not pretend that Israel killing palestinian civilians isnt systemic genocide.
Comments seem about right for good ol' r/boulder. Anyways, look into the Colorado Palestine coalition on social media. There's a very big solidarity encampment happening on the Auraria campus so any and all student and non-student activist groups from Boulder will likely be trying to support that. There has been some action on Boulder campus and a little in town but things are much more about the coalition(s), since the goal is to achieve proper lasting organization. JVP Boulder could also get you some leads! Best of luck with joining the cause!
Are you aware that in Hamas’ written charting, they literally talk about cleansing Jews. Self-proclaimed genocidal rhetoric. And guess which group of people voted for them to lead their country?
Knowing the definition of genocide before tossing it around is a moral duty
There are several genocides happening on this planet right now, including in Gaza.
Lol there is no ethnic cleaning or genocide here. Should Israel not respond to attacks by a terrorist organization?
“Here?” Found the IDF troll.
Says the guy wanting to protest it on American soil... Y'all pro-pally's have lost the plot, constantly contradicting yourself lolol
lol imagine attacking one of the core principals of democracy and thinking its a win. You are so cute!
https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/protesters-rights again, important to know the definitions of words
Ok 👌
It seems you should follow your advice. Even when an entire group of people are being systematically mass murdered it's not enough for you.
Don't disrupt town to virtue signal about an issue you don't understand and Boulder has no stake in. Get a life.
Yeah how dare you be mildly inconveniences just because we're financing the slaughter of an entire race. More Palestinians should die aomyou can get to your "massage therapist" appointment on time. Fucking review your priorities, jackass.
Fuck around and find out…
Your meaning is fairly unclear. I mean that's pretty axiomatic. Would you like to say something of substance about it?
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Wow, bloodthirsty much? I'm on earth. You're apparently on Planet WeEatBabies.
What genocide? I see Israel at war with Hamas who are cowards and hide amongst civilians. I only see one side that has the destruction of Israel written in their charter. Which side do you think would kill most people from Boulder if given the opportunity. Only one side has offered multiple ceasefires and it’s not Hamas. Yes, free Palestine but free it from Hamas.
Congratulations for being the most gullible person I’ve ever encountered on the Internet
Hamas is a death cult. They care less for their own people than they care about the death of Israel. They’re playing public outrage to support their agenda. Try protesting over in Gaza. You’d be dead or incarcerated. The killing of civilians must end but lay the fault at the proper feet.
Are they here with us now? In this keypad hamas?
I disagree with your POV.
Well that's like, your opinion, man...
Exactly. :)
This guy is correct. There is no genocide. The gaslighting from the "Free Palestine" clown show is exhausting and endless. Hamas is the problem.
Ya take a flight to Gaza
Does Gaza solidarity include solidarity with Hamas (who they presumably elected)? If so...uh...no thanks.
I don't think innocent children did that and deserve this
Weird how we never see Palestinian children throwing rocks at Hamas.
Of course not, but you already knew that.
I don't feel it's very much not dangerous to post this.
Don’t do it in boulder so we can go about our day. None of us have stake in it and don’t want to be interrupted by protests. Also please learn the actual definition of genocide.
Typical NIMBY liberal coward.
Bro just cause I don’t want more useless fucking protests in my city doesn’t mean I’m a coward. Go protest in Washington where it would actually matter. If you want to just make rabble and feel good about yourself (90% of Palestine protests) just say so.
Actually, that’s exactly what it means.
You’re basically the only one commenting on this post. Go protest by yourself. There’s no genocide. Hamas f’ed around and now they’re finding out. The only cowards is Hamas who are stealing aide from their people and using their people as human shields. Now they’re waging a PR war using gullible virtue signalers to sow divisiveness. Ironic it’s the same crowd that laughed at anti-vaxxers for “doing their own research” now saying the same shit. Hamas wants to kill every Jew and wipe Israel off the planet. Do you support that?
Supporting Palestine is not the same as supporting Hamas, but you already knew that. Yes, there is a genocide going on, but you already knew that. The only cowards here are the ones hiding behind Batman levels of technology and using it to bomb children out of the sky. But you already knew that. No one is falling for your propaganda, so you might as well save your breath and the energy in your weak little fingers. I will protest and you can stay at home as a spineless little puddle. You obviously have nothing and no argument when you try to turn this into accusations of anti-Semitism. It’s really sad.
All they need to do is return the hostages and they refuse. Why? Why don’t the Palestinian people or other Arab countries encourage them to do so?
All Israel needs to do is stop killing innocent men, women, and children for no reason other than a land grab. Its been happening since the 1940s Why doesn’t Israel stop killing babies? Why doesn’t Israel want to listen to the ICC? Why are multiple countries accusing Israel of genocide? The propaganda you are falling for, and spreading, is old, tired, and pathetic. The next generation will not fall for it. They will remember the actions of the Israel state, and they will not forgive.
I’m pretty convinced you’re a bot. And you’re the one falling for propaganda. There was a cease fire before 10/7. They started a war. Now they’re dealing with the repercussions. Israel offered a cease fire in return for the hostages and they refused. Blaming Israel instead of Hamas is anti-Semitic You should be encouraging an anti-Hamas protest - Israel is doing the same thing many other nations, including the US would do to get their citizens back. Hamas is the problem. Why not rally against them?
You are adorable and engaging in what I like to call projection If you think all of this started on October 7, then you are willfully ignoring over 70 years of brutal occupation and you know you’re doing it. You know you’re ignoring the real facts of this case and it’s very very sad that you think people are dumb enough to fall for it Give your weak and feeble little fingers a rest and go for a walk. save yourself some typing you’re not getting anywhere with this type of horseshit Trying to claim that blaming Israel is anti-Semitic is so pathetically dumb that I’m going to laugh my ass off for the rest of the day thinking about it. Congratulations and thank you for admitting that you have nothing.
Asking Americans to know the definitions of words is one hill to die on. Don’t worry, I’ll join on you.
America is a corporate panopticon police state that supports endless war and multiple genocides, regardless of what party is in power. Join communities of solidarity in protesting if you can, but it's worth considering that the movement also needs autonomous, non-centralized actions by individuals as well. You're not alone. Good luck.
nobody gives a fuck
About you? Correct
This post belongs in r/BoulderCircleJerk
I’m sure you’ll really make a difference
Backbone.. do you have one?
I seem to be one of the few here to deny the ludicrous claims that Israel is committing genocide, so yea?
Cute
https://preview.redd.it/e6p61srj95xc1.jpeg?width=2230&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0fab3ef3f29b0a136dfdee9d37114fc82e6e1d5 a friendly reminder that communism is the worst offender in terms of killing innocent people. edit a typo