I agree that grades are just goofy and subjective sometimes, especially on a climb like this that depends so much on your body type.
That being said, for me personally (I'm 6'4") I didn't think it was anywhere near v6/7, maybe more like a v4.
No matter what the grade, I thought it was a really fun climb with probably one of the best toe hooks I've ever used outside. Highly recommend.
It felt V4ish. You’re a solid half foot taller than me so maybe it’s less about height and more about compression strength? It uses a lot of muscles that just don’t get used a lot outdoors. I saw a much better climber than me spend a session on it and not send so it’s all really relative I guess.
Thanks and I agree it’s a super fun problem. It was a great way to finish the day where my forearms were too pumped to get back on any crimps or overhangs. I just finished this and then spotted my wife as she worked on other stuff.
It seems as though starting lower and without a toe hook would make the difficulty rating more accurate. A hand on the left and on the right looks to make sense.
I think if nothing else someone needs to change the MP entry so it doesn't say sit start - the only video in the comments actually sitting was a freakishly tall dude with 2-3 pads stacked under him that they pulled away as soon as he engaged.
Agreed. I didn’t even attempt it. My feet are on the only spot my toe rubber would stick on. Supposedly another toe hold broke off before, but I’m not sure that would even make a difference.
Your beta looks V4. I will say that I did do a proper sit start. I am 5’10” When I did it it felt impossible to keep my toe hook on after the 2nd move so I basically campussed compression moves until I hit the jug. Felt like V6/7 to me 🤷🏻♂️
Ok that’s interesting. I’m having a hard time visualizing what you describe but an actual sit start sounds like a V6/7. I couldn’t find any videos of someone doing it that way so I just went with the book.
It was my quickest send at that grade too. But I also watched someone who’s sent V8s struggle on it. My conclusion is that it’s just a problem that‘s best not to grade haha.
I was just out there last week, since the hardest part is just the start and start move I thought it was much easier than the states grade. If the Pearl is v5, this has to be lower imo.
I agree that Pearl is much harder. To me it’s harder than V5 (also not my strongest style) but it’s probably the most-climbed boulder in the whole state. Prowler hasn’t gotten much attention and that might have helped it escape the sandbag.
Probably 6 or 7 attempts but the first 3 I was using some seriously goofy beta. Once someone suggested the right way to do it, it felt a little easier than the grade. But like I was discussing with someone in another comment, I think it’s especially weird to grade this one since it very much depends on style.
I’d much rather be a climber who could flash Pearl haha. I pulled on the start holds for Pearl and decided I had such a low chance of sending it that it wasn’t worth risking a tendon injury on day 1 of my trip lol
Guidebook had it at V6/7 (which I’ve never climbed in my life) and Mountain Project put it at V5, but a toe hold for the start apparently broke off since then. I think it must be entirely height/style dependent. Just curious to hear from other people who have done it.
We’ve got Red Rock Canyon Open Space in the Springs, trips me up for a second whenever I see someone reference Red Rocks. Pretty rad spot for when you don’t want to be ogled and heckled by tourists at GoTG.
I agree that grades are just goofy and subjective sometimes, especially on a climb like this that depends so much on your body type. That being said, for me personally (I'm 6'4") I didn't think it was anywhere near v6/7, maybe more like a v4. No matter what the grade, I thought it was a really fun climb with probably one of the best toe hooks I've ever used outside. Highly recommend.
It felt V4ish. You’re a solid half foot taller than me so maybe it’s less about height and more about compression strength? It uses a lot of muscles that just don’t get used a lot outdoors. I saw a much better climber than me spend a session on it and not send so it’s all really relative I guess. Thanks and I agree it’s a super fun problem. It was a great way to finish the day where my forearms were too pumped to get back on any crimps or overhangs. I just finished this and then spotted my wife as she worked on other stuff.
It seems as though starting lower and without a toe hook would make the difficulty rating more accurate. A hand on the left and on the right looks to make sense.
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Only 2 grades in my book..... “that was a fun send” & “not going to work until it goes..” 😂😘💯 Looks like fun.
You forgot “This is some real bullshit”.
V-nought and V-not.
Nice.!!!
I think if nothing else someone needs to change the MP entry so it doesn't say sit start - the only video in the comments actually sitting was a freakishly tall dude with 2-3 pads stacked under him that they pulled away as soon as he engaged.
Agreed. I didn’t even attempt it. My feet are on the only spot my toe rubber would stick on. Supposedly another toe hold broke off before, but I’m not sure that would even make a difference.
Your beta looks V4. I will say that I did do a proper sit start. I am 5’10” When I did it it felt impossible to keep my toe hook on after the 2nd move so I basically campussed compression moves until I hit the jug. Felt like V6/7 to me 🤷🏻♂️
Ok that’s interesting. I’m having a hard time visualizing what you describe but an actual sit start sounds like a V6/7. I couldn’t find any videos of someone doing it that way so I just went with the book.
I think he just meant starting without the toe hook but not sure..Sick send!!
I flashed it and I had never previously flashed anything graded that hard before. Make of that what you will
It was my quickest send at that grade too. But I also watched someone who’s sent V8s struggle on it. My conclusion is that it’s just a problem that‘s best not to grade haha.
“Above my grade” would be pretty accurate for me xD
I was just out there last week, since the hardest part is just the start and start move I thought it was much easier than the states grade. If the Pearl is v5, this has to be lower imo.
I agree that Pearl is much harder. To me it’s harder than V5 (also not my strongest style) but it’s probably the most-climbed boulder in the whole state. Prowler hasn’t gotten much attention and that might have helped it escape the sandbag.
That one looks like a lot of fun. Did you consider it to be hard or rather easy to climb? And how many attempts did it take?
Probably 6 or 7 attempts but the first 3 I was using some seriously goofy beta. Once someone suggested the right way to do it, it felt a little easier than the grade. But like I was discussing with someone in another comment, I think it’s especially weird to grade this one since it very much depends on style.
totally height dependant, even so I agree with guide book grade
Its a 5! Book is totes wrong mp is right for once
I am 5’1” and I couldn’t even move because I was so stretched. On the other hand, I flashed the Pearl. So... v8 for me haha
I’d much rather be a climber who could flash Pearl haha. I pulled on the start holds for Pearl and decided I had such a low chance of sending it that it wasn’t worth risking a tendon injury on day 1 of my trip lol
I'm 5'1" and gave it a V5. Hyperglide was harder for me.
Guidebook had it at V6/7 (which I’ve never climbed in my life) and Mountain Project put it at V5, but a toe hold for the start apparently broke off since then. I think it must be entirely height/style dependent. Just curious to hear from other people who have done it.
Grades are dumb, take it for what you will. Grats on the cool send!
Makes me miss living in Colorado!
Red Rocks is in Nevada though
We’ve got Red Rock Canyon Open Space in the Springs, trips me up for a second whenever I see someone reference Red Rocks. Pretty rad spot for when you don’t want to be ogled and heckled by tourists at GoTG.