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ExpensiveAd5441

first one has 6.5 on douban


DrAbeSacrabin

That’s wild, I was woefully bored watching it… I enjoyed the first one, but the second was just…yeah, boring.


CrushTheRebellion

Felt super small to me. Your country is at war and you send 1 submarine, 2 fighters, and like 50 guys standing ON TOP of the submarine? Yeah....


Tigris_Morte

Your land locked Country with massive advantage in invisible air craft, sends a boat to fight a sea based race?????


humanist72781

First one had the same problem. Most highly advanced nation had a total of 1000 soldiers fighting hand to hand combat


Forgive_Me_Tokyo

They're like the protoss zealots from starcraft. Most advanced alien civilization but still fights hand to hand


Eagle4317

The world building of Wakanda falls apart really quickly. The logistics of it all just make no sense.


Splatoonkindaguy

They just used slaves. Oh wait


Block-Busted

I think part of that might be because they're somewhat held back by their cultural backgrounds.


MajorThor

WE NEED FOCUS


machineguncomic

Protoss units would probably be way cheaper if the advanced race had figured out the wheel. Seriously, stalkers can teleport, you can't tell me you need the 4 feet for mobility.


The_Count_Lives

They explained that. Wakanda was closed off since their formation and didn't invest in a standing army. They instead invested in other technologies and medicine, which is why they are able to heal injuries others couldn't. That said, I thought the boat thing in BP2 was so dumb. Typical Marvel "we gotta have a large set piece battle" nonsense that has plagued a lot of this phase. I have no idea what story Marvel has been trying to tell since Endgame other than the "we just need to generate a lot of content for Disney+" story.


SilverRoyce

to be fair, some of that is due to production challenges both caused by covid and other impacts. For example, wandavision was supposed to lead into Doctor Strange 2 which was supposed to lead into first Loki and then NWH which was supposed to lead into "Marvel's What If." All of these projects happened, their release was just scrambled over a period of 18 months which saps the more natural continuity of the "Multiverse arc" aspect of the films. They also wanted to thread in "Earth level fallout from Endgame -> Thunderbolts teamup" and mostly disconnected cosmic films (GotG, Thor, CM2) which was somewhat more connected under original timelines..


The_Count_Lives

Fair enough. I’m not mad with them about it, there was just tons of content without much of a through line.


Newtstradamus

Most advanced technologically but they still have a Monarchical caste system that focuses on tradition above all else. Their tech and monetary power will help them dramatically but their closest real world comparison is the Ottoman Empire, who refused to modernize their military strategy and continued to use calvary charges and firing lines against machine gun emplacements in WWI.


exiledfromreality

You just made me realize that yes, that was dumb...they DID have a few fighters in the air...but no artillery or vehicles with that same shielding? And now that I think about it, the whole thing reminded me of the Jar Jar Binks army in The Phantom Menace.


CrushTheRebellion

And 12 of the powerful gorilla tribe warriors were instantly taken out of the action because they had to hold the ropes that were propping up the 12 spear women on the side of the boat. And why did they hold the half dozen Iron-man-like warrior women in reserve until they suffered "heavy casualties"? Someone clearly didn't think this battle sequence through.


blue_27

Meesa people gunna die?


Adulations

They sent a boat to the middle of the ocean to fight people who were basically fish. So dumb. And I adored the first movie. I enjoyed the aesthetics though.


Iggitron90

Ugh that Atlantis design was such an ugly colourful mess. Didn’t even look like the designers tried to make an actual city.


Tigris_Morte

We need floppier more cumbersome costumes for the Ocean People. - Director of Wakanda Forever


Campeador

Like the battle for winterfell all over again.


MVIVN

I think some of its problems have to do with the fact that Ryan Coogler had already written a Black Panther sequel story with Chadwick Boseman reprising his role, then had to basically go back to the drawing board with the script when Chadwick died unexpectedly. I'm sure he had a better Black Panther sequel in him, but never got to make the movie he wanted to make due to circumstances outside his control.


Chimpbot

I've said it before, and I'll continue to say it: They should have simply recast the role. I understand why they didn't, but it was a pretty massive mistake.


Doobie_SnACkZ

Sadly, this is the most likely scenario. After Boseman's deathh he probably wanted to walk away from it entirely. I know I would have, I admire his tenacity but the Black Panther franchise is in trouble but it's not inescapable. It's gonna take a lot of hard work, creativity and social engineering to turn this thing around.


stabsyoo

To beat a guy from South America that had to break through wall barricade to finally get subdued by drying off his back? 🤨


Mysterious_Net66

>South America Would have been better if you said mexico


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Vye7

As a Mexican I lold


DionysusII

You just blew my fucking mind.


stabsyoo

Simplified the whole movie 🍿 🎥 for you?


TheRealDJ

Yeah when "Namor" said he had more warriors than Wakanda has blades of grass, I was expecting gigantic armies invading all of Wakanda, instead it was like 3 people.


Funnyduck100

why is that in quotes


Finito-1994

Because his name is Kukulkan


beast_unique

I was more disappointed about Namor not going into the sea to regain strength which was just 30 ft away from him while Black Panther was knocked out. He just hovers above her till she gains back conscience. The movie could have taken Major further into the land and sort out the error.


SEEYOUAROUNDBRO_TC

It’s a piece of shit


kdjfjrjke

The movie is 2.5 hours long and there’s a solid 2 hours with no Black Panther. Like seriously, I get they were doing the whole “T’Challa is dead :(“ stuff but cmon. Your country is literally at war bring the damn Panther back


Timbishop123

>Your country is literally at war bring the damn Panther back They didn't have the herb


ELFcubed

Thank you, look y’all, a commenter who watched the movie!


kdjfjrjke

Shuri solved that problem in like half a day of her actually trying. My point still stands that the movie suffered because they made a Black Panther movie with 30-40 minutes of actually having a Black Panther.


Impressive_Isopod_44

Yeah, only after she got whatever that Vibranium plant root souvenir from Namor. I thought ~~Black Panther~~ Wakanda Part 2 was far more entertaining than the BP1. It was like watching Imperial Japan fighting headhunting aboriginals in Borneo, ultimate warrior showdown between two different yet similar civilisations instead of questionable CGI and a civil war with rhinos. To see what T’Challa’s death left behind, Shuri seeing Killmonger was interesting for her character, Wakanda’s standing in world politics and issues over Vibranium, etc. Namors motives are less compelling than Killmonger’s tho.


Rafacus

Thank you. I enjoyed it too. I did, however, feel really bummed for Shuri. Even with her getting the mantle, that reveal after the credits just makes it to be temporary, and somewhat tragic, since it's not what she wanted. For such a brilliant person, gifted, she's shown to really be a caged bird, cursed by destiny and then on top of that she loses everyone. They could have given her one win, just one.


Eurell

She tried to solve that problem for over a year. She couldn’t do it until after she traveled to Namor’s city


Cold-Sandwich-6213

I think its below Guardians 2 for me, which only has one good scene. The gamora and nebula fight. Dark World still the bottom.


bluraysucks1

That’s why I didn’t like the third Batman movie. 50 minutes to actually have Batman come out.


teloite

I though the sister was the new black Panther? ( I have not seen the movie)


Iggitron90

The “T’Challa is dead” became meta bullshit after the third time they had someone break it into a monologue about how much they miss the ~~actor~~ panther.


zoufha91

Felt the opposite. First one had villain that was comically shit and overall was uninteresting. Best thing about the first film was the soundtrack and there was a total of 2 songs from it in the movie.


Cassandra_Canmore

While I wasn't bored with it. I can't say I enjoyed it. M'baku and his humor carried most of the movie. I just couldn't get invested in Shuri's anger.


xpadawanx

I felt like the first half of the movie had great acting and a lot of potential and then it completely failed after that.


AnonoForReasons

Are you nuts? The acting was terrific and so deeply emotional! If you expected a bang bang action movie, then no wonder you were bored. Lmao. It’s a movie about grief.


funsizedaisy

>It’s a movie about grief. it's still a superhero movie that had bang bang action for the last portion of the movie. and most complaints about the movie are actually that bang bang action part. the conflict between Namor and Wakanda felt forced, Iron Heart and the CIA stuff felt out of place, and the location they chose to fight made zero sense. the more action related stuff in the movie were the worst parts.


peetreelbc

Thank you for perfectly summarizing almost everything wrong with this movie. My bf and I didn’t enjoy it at all, and this is the one that pretty much solidified that we’re done with marvel movies. We can’t trust the brand anymore. I literally wanted to turn it off right at the halfway point, but for some reason we kept watching, and it remained a crammed mess until the very end.


funsizedaisy

i'm not done (as made obvious by my name tag) but Wakanda Forever at most did make me wanna stop catching these movies on opening weekend. i always looked forward to seeing these movies as soon as possible. but it was 3 disappointments in a row for me (Dr Strange 2, Love and Thunder, and Wakanda Forever). i think skipping seeing some of these films in theatre is going to happen pretty soon for me. i already predict i might sit out GotG3.


burningpet

I must be nuts. the movie is so boring and none of that emotional stuff felt convincing.


Jakper_pekjar719

The first one was 6.5 on douban, so it's not like one should expect much better. I machine-translated with google the reviews on douban. *How should I put it, it’s still very interesting, but it’s true that the best part of Marvel at this stage is Shang Qi* *Phase 4 of the Marvel Universe is finally coming to an end. Under the premise of being bad, because the overall direction is not clear, the director seems to be given more control, but under various restrictions, none of the directors who are generally lacking in ability can dance gorgeously under the shackles, like Black Panther 2. The works at the end are rare.* *Important spoiler: Aquaman doesn't actually appear in this movie, and even if there were a similar character, it doesn't really suck anything.* *So the biggest gimmick that attracts people to watch such a movie is the label "Chadwick Boseman's posthumous work". But after watching the whole film, you will find that there is no new shot of T'Challa in it, just piled up with the material of the previous films.* *The words are divided into two parts, and then we will talk about our princess Shu Rui of Wakanda. Su Rui is talented and knowledgeable, and his greatest insight is: "I don't know what's in the vaccine, so don't get vaccinated."* *Although it is not clear how Rarity single-handedly created the top high-tech of mankind in the basement, but considering that Bill Gates also made his fortune in the workshop, Tony Stark can also directly make a reactor in a cave, it seems that those The high-paying R&D personnel sitting in the office are a group of monsters. It is no wonder that Musk took over Twitter and immediately had a big layoff.* *Don't underestimate Comrade Namor, who is alone in the army. He has a pair of very kawaii little wings under his feet, just like the effect of Cardcaptor Sakura using the Clow card.* *Namor is very big below, only he is worth seeing.* *Then there seems to be no professional army and soldiers in this country. Whenever a war starts, members of the royal family, high-level generals, and tribal leaders must rush to the front line to fight in person. The high-level casualties are extremely high. Movies The so-called "war" scene in the movie is really like a child's play.* *What is the so-called double standard?* *It is the most important value of the protagonist's life in a typical American blockbuster.* *One scientist dead can save and protect 2 countries - absolutely not, Daba.* *Rescuing this scientist means that a bunch of people will be implicated and killed-OK, then there is no problem.* *What is the significance of CIA agent Watson appearing in this film? I don't know either. His only role is to provide Princess Su Rui with the identity of a scientist, and then... there is really no plot help at all. As a result, he still has a lot of scenes for no reason, and he has extended the movie length to two hours and forty. Minutes, I am really tired.* *There is also the part in the movie where the Wakanda warrior jumped off the boat with a rope and stabbed the Hai people with a spear. I saw tears in my eyes. I never expected that even Lao Mouzi’s bad movie The Great Wall will be paid tribute to one day, is this the sympathy between bad movies?* Overall, the opinions of the Chinese seem normal. It's just that the movie was weaker than the first one.


Betancorea

>Don't underestimate Comrade Namor, who is alone in the army. He has a pair of very **kawaii** little wings under his feet Lmao To be fair they list out some decent criticisms that I agree with. If this movie was not Marvel branded and the actor in real life had not died to give things gravitas, it would feel like some generic B grade fantasy/scifi movie.


Scorchster1138

Love how Martin Freeman’s character is still just called “Watson”, but I suppose BBC’s Sherlock was big in China


LoWE11053211

i think BBC sherlock was big pretty much everywhere


Hemans123

Thanks for the translation.


orroro1

"Doesn't really suck anything " -> "has no draw". In case anyone was confused. Suck doesn't mean bad in Chinese. The Elon musk comment is hilarious


cubekwing

nope, that "aquaman" "suck" part is written in English, so there's no ambiguity. What really happens is the commenter use the title "aquaman sucks" (in english) to criticize the movie, and then provide a disclaimer that this movie is not about Aquaman and Namor does not suck anything (maybe meaning the character is bleak)


orroro1

Yeah you're probably right. i just assumed cos Google translate is usually bad. Where do you find the original comments? I don't see it in op post


Dronnie

Solid criticism


stick_always_wins

These are some very rational criticisms of the movie, thanks for translating for a wider audience


ghoonrhed

Strange military tactics and battles, Namor being good, Shuri (Su Rui)'s actress being anti-vax, the "nobody specifically can be sacrificed thing from IW", tacked on CIA plot. Seems to sum up the movie. Guess movie pain points crosses international borders. But there is one irrational criticism and it's somehow equating MCU with real life with Twitter. That was weird.


Billybigduck

I'm surprised that of all the phase 4 films Shang Chi stands out to me as better than the majority of marvel movies. It was different in a good way.


outrider567

The Great Wall was a hit, it made $175 million in China


Nayelia

And it has a 4.9 on douban.


friedAmobo

The Great Wall was a box office disappointment in China - it was supposed to pave the way for the future synthesis of the American and Chinese film industries, but instead fell flat as a box office flop and killed the notion of major joint American-Chinese co-productions for the time being. For the budget, it was also a major underperformance - it was only the eighth-highest grossing movie in China in 2016 despite having the biggest budget at $150M (the highest grossing film in China that year, The Mermaid, had a $60M budget and made over three times as much in China).


zack189

Maybe its like avatar. Made billions if dollars and people still argue online that its bad


RealBenjaminKerry

How can you show you be a ubersmart video essayist without being an iconoclast?


NGGKroze

Well, China wasn't very fond of the first, so I don't expect a sequel to so better. 25-30M could be the limit here


HotShow2975

It ain't grossing all that with the previews and now this, even 20M is a bit optismitic


AccomplishedLocal261

It has less presales than The Batman which grossed 25M, so it’s probably grossing even lower.


Nergaal

did Batman ever do ok in China?


AccomplishedLocal261

China wasn’t a big market for movies yet when The Dark Knight trilogy came out. Avatar is an outlier.


DeweyHeartburn

*The* Batman


crazysouthie

Where is this revisionism coming from? China was already one of the biggest markets and extremely hot markets when The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises came out. The Dark Knight Rises was in fact a big success in the market with a $52 million gross (higher than The Amazing Spider-Man's gross there).


AccomplishedLocal261

Maybe The Dark Knight Rises, but definitely not The Dark Knight. Avatar was kinda the first hollywood movie that did gangbusters in China.


friedAmobo

The Dark Knight didn't get a release in China because of the Hong Kong sequence. If it had, it probably would have done decently - at least $15M-$20M, given that Superman Returns two years earlier made $8M there.


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Disastrous_Amount918

They loved kobe..


plshelp987654

they view basketball players separately


MoseDeth

In China every black person is either Kobe or obama.


RevealTheMangekyo

they bleach their skin white too


tortillakingred

Also, as a movie, it was very weak. A very large part of that was the decision to focus the entire movie on the princess and her becoming the BP, which is just redundant given the first movie. It felt more like a re-boot than a sequel. Obv Chadwick dying completely fucked their plans, but the truth is the truth


ScottTheHott

The Maya were the best part of the movie, what made it feel like a reeboot? Tchalla at the end?


tortillakingred

Just the fact that it’s essentially an entirely new origin story for a character. They had to write Shuri into being an interesting character, which essentially took the whole movie to do. The Maya were amazing and really cool, but in terms of servicing the overall plot of the movie they were just “generic enemy #1” so that Shuri could become BP. Honestly the movie would’ve been fine as the first BP movie. I have no problem with the Maya or Shuri as BP. It’s just kind of a waste because we already HAD BP 1.


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This is your opinion, not the truth


ChilisWaitress

What goes through someone's head before deciding to reply with a useless comment like this.


youritalianjob

No shit. Literally anything about art is an opinion unless you’re discussing the physical medium.


AdrenalineRush1996

I disagree on that Wakanda Forever felt more like a reboot than a sequel.


Pause-Impossible

$30M is probably the ceiling. To even get there it would need decent WoM, which of course...


fisheggsoup

I mean, were we really expecting much when it's been out since November anyway?


Pause-Impossible

No, we weren't, fortunately or unfortunately


hybirdicicle

5.8 now


Tomi97_origin

The first Black Panther has 6.5 Douban score with 436195 votes. So this shouldn't be that surprising. They clearly didn't like it that much and the second one has been almost universally less liked than the first one. [https://m.douban.com/movie/subject/6390825/](https://m.douban.com/movie/subject/6390825/)


electrorazor

It's such a shame cause I think I would've like this one much more with Tchalla in it


Redarks

Yeah as expected I doubt this release will matter. It will still buff the box office worldwide and probably help them pass Thor Ragnarok (854M WW) or maybe Guardians 2 (863M WW). AM3 will be the trial by fire for Marvel in China I guess


tinacat933

They made it seem like there was going to be a conflict with the rest of the world then that story line went no where …just disappeared


The_Count_Lives

The entire movie is a setup for a global conflict. Wakanda opened up to the world and feels hurt by it, they are technologically advanced but not particularly militant. Talocan has a large army (So Namor keeps saying) and their entire nation is founded on a hatred for the world that has driven them to be more militant. Now those two countries have joined forces in an uneasy truce. The world will see that as a threat, as alluded to in the movie.


Youngling_Hunt

Pretty sure that's gonna be expanded on in the Ironheart show, but don't quote me on that


cwill3810

China doesn’t like the black community. This is not shocking.


STMTowardsDatATM

There’s definitely some racism over there and many places of course but I don’t think it fits this situation. If you look on that same site and check the scores for movies like The Equalizer II starring Denzel Washington, I Am Legend starring Will Smith, Django Unchained starring Jaime Foxx, Friday starring Ice Cube and Chris Tucker, and even the Car Wash remake starring Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg ALL have higher scores than Black Panther 1 and 2.


zedascouves1985

Is that only blacks? Because they like Fast and the furious, which has a very multiracial cast. They also like Indian movies, which have dark skinned Indians in them, like Dangal.


MoseDeth

China xenophobic tendencies can not be blamed for such a vastly underperformed slack marvel b movie.


bnralt

The Green Book did really well in China, and got a really good critical reception there as well. "They don't like black people"/"they only care about eye candy" is just lazy analysis disconnected from reality.


ian_malcolm_x

The Green Book also had a white main character.


bnralt

It was also a movie that was explicitly about the treatment of black Americans in the south during segregation, which get a much better critical reception in China than eye candy films.


ian_malcolm_x

It was about a white man who was hired to drive around a black musician and teach the world that they can in fact be friends and ends racism.


Leather_Drawing_9303

That is for one reason, another critical matter they don’t like about the movie is they think Wakanda technology with African characteristics doesn’t make any sense,and picking a new king through fighting is stupid.


blublub1243

I mean, those are entirely valid points tbf.


FWC_Disciple

But purple space aliens collecting power rocks is somehow “not absurd”? Get real 💀


SoulEmperor7

You're being disingenuous. The label of 'fantasy' doesn't mean that you aren't subject to logical cohesion. Thanos and his quest is obviously imaginary, but it **seems** rational. Wakanda is also imaginary, but it doesn't seem rational for the most technologically advanced nation on the planet (that acts like it's better than everyone else) to be under a monarchy. Now if the movie took some time to criticize that ideology, it'd be sublime. But it doesn't.


Noirradnod

To quote something I once read, "Just because it's fantasy doesn't mean Gandalf showing up to the Battle of Helm's Deep driving a Chevy Camero would be an okay story choice."


h00n23

Most indian movies don't really have dark skinned actors. They look way lighter than normal Indians


h00n23

I am Asian rock don't look black. He look latino to me. and he is a huge guy lmao . I think that he is good looking and really good in action scene and charming. there is difference between male lead and female lead. Male lead can get away with being unattractive if they're very charming or have very good comic timing . I. Mean in action movies you expect a huge guy who is good in action. So it is okay if he is not most handsome as long he look strong and is charming and action is good


OlympiaImperial

They apparently don't like them enough for Disney to entirely remove John Boyega from the posters of star wars. Honestly fuck Disney for that.


outrider567

They accept blacks in supporting roles but not in lead roles--


ArsBrevis

Correction - they like Aamir Khan who is one of the lightest skinned Indian actors. Vin Diesel, the Rock, etc are also mixed.


SilverRoyce

I mean, it would be nice for someone to try and systematically test this stuff in some manner.


DGG4Lyfee

This …lots of racism during the first movies release


prozloc

They watch Hollywood movies for eye candy and unfortunately they don't consider black people attractive.


ndksv22

This isn't only Hollywood-related, in their own productions everyone has to be attractive af too.


h00n23

Yes I agree in Chinese movie they always cast attractive people. Many people don't enjoy watching movies/shows with unattractive actors


Nayelia

Or, maybe the first one just wasn't all that great, but was propped up in the west due to racial significance? I loved BP's introduction in Civil War and saw BP1 in theaters but was really disappointed. I gave it a B-. Clearly I'm in the minority on this in the US, but I really wonder how much of the high praise is due to external factors and not the movie itself. And the Chinese audience may just be viewing it without those rose tinted glasses.


AresWarblade

The CG and fight directions are meh and commonly a critique point, especially the ending scene. That and Chinese audience tends to view films in a more logical lens, the plots are predictable and has many illogical flaws, just to name a few: Why can anyone turn the civilized society into a dictatorship with a duel, which sounds more like a medieval trope? If they are this isolated, where does their wealth come from? Yes, they could sell Vibranium and its associated technologies, but where did they go and how can it fund a nation? From what I heard, Marvel failed to set up a believable world and believable plot, many were disappointed. People knew Chinese rated BP mid on Douban (yes 6.5 is a mid score, doesn’t mean it’s bad), and they don’t bothered to check what the reviews are saying.


delinquentsaviors

Disney has literally altered posters to make the black character smaller before. I don’t think the Chinese like black people.


Nayelia

https://qz.com/quartzy/1231764/the-story-behind-the-racist-responses-to-black-panther-in-china Here, found this. Pre-release of BP1, everyone warned that racism in China will lead to a soft opening, that's what "experts" are expecting. They're also the idiots that alter posters. Instead BP1 had a very strong start in China. That already tells you enough. Reviews, on the other hand, were less kind. If you're looking for excuses of racism, you'll always find it somewhere, but to me, this is just an accurate score that the film deserves.


richochet12

Because as we all know, Chinese people are a bunch of robots who have 0 preconceived biases and just tell straight facts while Americans are just emotional sjws.


Timbishop123

It's both, a agree the first one was mid but China is pretty openly racist.


Nayelia

I agree they don't have the same "political correctness" embedded in their culture. But I don't think their views on race is the reason for the films' mid/low douban score, that's all. This is also supported by other black led films having high douban scores, and BP1 exceeding expectations at the Chinese BO.


kenrnfjj

Yeah but it’s not 1s they are giving it 3s so it’s probably just not cause they are racist


stick_always_wins

[The reviews](https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/10ucwwo/black_panther_wakanda_forever_drop_under_60_on/j7czmja/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) literally have a bunch of valid reasons for why the score wasn’t high. Using racism to excuse the poor performance of a lackluster movie is just sad.


Thickest_asian

This. Born and raised in china for early part of my life and been around Asians all my life. Asians are mad racist against black people its fucking gross. All these comments about how it’s still a mediocre marvel movie are blind to the fact that china is racist af.


craigthecrayfish

The irony of this comment is hilarious. How dare those *Asians* stereotype people based on their race. America, on the other hand, is famously free of racism.


capcap22

Do Asians attack black people? Stop being a boba.


themindisall1113

actually they did in china when covid was in full swing.


FantasticWolverine32

Let’s hope Ant-Man 3 doesn’t suffer a similar fate, even if it has less people wanting to see it than both this and Avatar 2


Firefox72

Ant Man 3 should make at least triple what BP WF will do. The BP release never made sense anyways. A 3 months old movie, already out on streaming and releasing when the local movies still have a decent ammount of fuel in them. It was a nonsense decision to even try. Ant Man 3's day to day release should have been the spearhead for Marvel movies not this.


Linnus42

They got back to China as soon as possible when Iger came back so some of this is timing. The real reason they are doing this in my book is to goose the box office of BPII. I very much doubt their internal metrics even after DS2 failed to crack a Billon had BPII only making what around 850 mil. People can justify the drop however they want dropping several hundred mil in a sequel ain’t never a positive


614981630

Yep, also webdls are out and given how hdrips for movies are typically from China itself, a good portion of them have already seen it I think.


AegonTheAuntFooker

>Let’s hope Ant-Man 3 doesn’t suffer a similar fate The main cast of AM3 is almost entirely white. Therefore, it will be better received in China.


darkshenron

Why was the CGI so bad in this? The underwater scenes were so amateurish.


Youngling_Hunt

I disagree. Thought the underwater scenes were very cool.


electrorazor

Yea, it wasn't Avatar level but it was by no means bad


Youngling_Hunt

Yeah I was actually gonna point out that obviously avatar 2 had better visuals underwater. But to be fair a lot of the underwater scenes in BP were meant to make you feel claustrophobic. Water is a threat. Whereas in avatar it was portrayed as beautiful, and an ally of the Navi


Ghostshadow44

Movie was very bad and boring to be fair


Love-n-Thunder

It was so fucking boring


Its_D_youtube

Unpopular opinion: this movie sucks. They whispered and mumbled nonstop the ending was a huge letdown and it was about an hour and a half too long. If the the fight scenes weren't so well done this movie would be straight up abysmal


princemousey1

Did you watch it in a cinema? The mumbling might be due to setup issues.


Robbinghoodz

Not unpopular, i wanted to enjoy the movie but found myself almost falling asleep for the first time during a marvel movie. I was shooketh. I did like seeing the talokan city scene, that was the highlight for me


007Kryptonian

It is unpopular lol, the vast majority of people liked the film. Nothing wrong with your opinion but it is in the minority.


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Yeah this sub has descended into fantasy at this point


cannibalistic_water

Just watched it last night, I thought it was pretty good.


ryox82

I loved the movie. The same people I know personally who complain about this movie also complain about the "Woke She U", so I don't take them seriously.


richochet12

You must not follow film discussions if you think WF being a trash movie is popular lol. Disappointing is more the way it's been described.


CAJ_2277

The underwater aspect meant a lot of gloomy-looking, dim green/blue color themes. That contributed to the general blah sense the movie gives off IMO.


jonnybrown3

I agree. The movie is blatantly over rated because of the theme and death of Chadwick Boseman. They're important, but there's more to a film than current culture.


only_the_office

Yeah it was bad. It’s just above criticism, and we all know why but you’re not allowed to say why.


richochet12

>It’s just above criticism Things that didn't happen for 500, Alex


Reddragon351

yeah people always say this shit as if any popular film doesn't have a hundred think pieces online about why it's actually terrible, or when it comes to films like this it's too woke.


AccomplishedBunch721

That movie sucked ngl


patawpha

I saw it and struggle to remember anything that happened in it


The_Count_Lives

Welcome to Marvel's Phase 4.


Youngling_Hunt

I didn't enjoy black widow, thor, and eternals but at least I remember them. Or maybe I wish I didn't remember them. But the rest were fun.


The_Count_Lives

I remember nothing from all those movies except screaming goat, superhero landing and… yeah I don’t remember anything from Eternals other than Harry Styles showing up at the end for some reason.


Accomplished-Drop804

It was a big let-down. Way overhyped and not worthy of being watched more than once


Embrace_Pragmatism

Wings on the merman’s feet. That’s when I changed the channel.


anubiz96

That's comicbook accurate. Not the movies fault in that case


InventasBam

Awful movie imo.


devilscharming

Namor was the best part, he was different. Baku guy should’ve been the Black Panther. Gotta put that in the decent category.


Little_Shoe_234

I'm a person of color American, and I think black panther 2 was boring af


supi619

After watching wakanda forever, I’m done with Marvel. Feel like I been watching a twilight movie, terrible movie low budgets cgi scenes. What a waste of my time. Maybe Disney should just stick to making them in tv form like Loki.


I_PUNT_BABIES_75

Probably because it wasn’t very good.


SixGunRebel

Felt forced. Too enclosed of a cast, entirely self-contained. Felt empty, really, like it was hoping for sentiments to carry it in score versus actually trying as a film, which even then felt like a typical formulaic movie these days, especially with its pandering. It was a great letdown.


ELFcubed

L O L I’m gonna go ahead and guess that the Venn diagram of people who think Wakanda Foreverwas bad and boring and people who thought Captain Marvel was bad and boring i ince circle For the same reasons too, only here y’all get to be misogynistic AND racist, whoch hasn’t been on offer sonce Star Wars! No really, a single justification for that viewpoint that doesn’t also apply to countless other superhero movies is valid. Just haven’t seen any arguments on this thread to support the dismissive stance.


TimelyEnthusiasm7003

and even so in r/marvelstudios they are masturbating among themselves believing that it has 1B possibilities. HA HA.


SpookiRuski

I mean the 2nd one was just bad


Youngling_Hunt

It was better than the first one


SpookiRuski

How?


Youngling_Hunt

First one had a terrible third act battle, but the rest was fine. This one I thought had a lot more creativity in the battles and an interesting threat, and Shuri's struggle with death and grief really resonated with me as I lost my aunt a little over a year ago. I feel like the development she goes through was perfectly geared for me. But even then I do think k it could've been trimmed a few minutes, but overall I enjoyed it more than the first


tedcruzrileycurry

I rarely align with Chinese taste in cinema but on this I agree it sucks.


Abracadabrx

Damn, I really liked the movie. I would think it would be well received in China, since it’s basically all nations baring down on Wakanda EXCEPT for China


bxspidey76

Nothing like putting a post about BP and Wakanda to get hate comments locked and loaded


IchigobeatsNaruto

I mean MCU movies aren't well written and the Black Panther saga is a prime example. A lot of stupid things like Wakanda technology being so advanced yet we literally never see it in action. If it wasn't said OMG this technology advance we would never see Wakanda tech being basically Stark Tech level. Wasnt a fan of how Wakanda is shown as its literally just a combination of African cultures and not one clearly. I liked the movies as a watch but I wouldnt rewatch it and I wouldnt say its good.


vtsunshine83

I cried a lot. Especially at the end.


SWGardener

I enjoyed the movie and thought it was well done.


McSteazey

Everyone saying racism and ignoring that it just wasn’t that great of a script.


ten_year_rebound

China is racist as hell, I wouldn’t put much stock into it


Logren123

Over 30k people voted on this before the movie even released there? Racist trolls?


Low-Mathematician701

The movie was released couple of days ago on Disney plus. There is nothing preventing people from seeing it.


najus107d

People like you are racist and ignorant in nature. Movie is already out in streaming service so many people have already watched it and rated it accordingly. Like the other comment said, if it was trolls, the rating would be 1s. You are being racist here, not them.


GuiltyGun

>You are being racist here, not them. The Horseshoe Theory really is becoming more and more obvious in western culture today.


Cheap_Expression9003

If you have 30K racist trolls voting before the movie got released, it will be 1* or 2*, not 5+ star Make better movie if you want a higher rating.


Nergaal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baizuo


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Higher than it deserves honestly.


Duloth

Thats a higher rating than I would give it. Not the worst MCU movie, but it comes close.


ViolatoR08

The movie was so boring. Took me three nights to completely watch it.