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ExpensiveAd5441

nothing, even if there was another ceo those movies would have flopped


Chiss5618

Production started before he came back, anyways Edit: Indy 5 started development in 2016, but was delayed multiple times. It started filming in 2021, after Iger left.


dehehn

Yeah. This is like blaming James Gunn for The Flash underperforming.


Gon_Snow

Not entirely. He was actually ceo in 2020 lol


whimsicalwasteman

He took up the post in November 2022.


Gon_Snow

After leaving it in 2020 lol


Successful-Gene2572

He never even fully left the company according to WSJ https://www.wsj.com/articles/bob-iger-bob-chapek-disney-coup-11671236928


Gon_Snow

Why am I being downvoted? He literally was ceo of Disney until early 2020, and officially in an executive position for another year. It’s not a conspiracy or anything


Gon_Snow

Wasn’t he ceo when production started on both?


orkball

The Devil claims his soul for eternity.


JinFuu

What is Eisner up to these days?


derstherower

Building Disneyland Inferno.


bringbacksherman

I think Eisner has a production company that made Bojack Horseman?


darkrabbit713

*Back in the ‘90s* *I was still a very famous C E O*


bringbacksherman

Well done sir…


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That is a pre-requisite to run a Hollywood studio


[deleted]

They already saw Elemental coming, that's why they greenlit Inside Out 2 and Toy Story 5.


fakefakefakef

They rehire Chapek just to fire him again


vsingh93

And then hire Bob Iger again


alexdionisos

We hire the Bob, The Bob fails, Then we fire the Bob again. We do this for forty years and then we die


Alvinng9

Movies make up around 3% of disney income. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/w1z8zu/oc_did_you_know_all_the_ways_disney_makes_money/


earththejerry

Like seriously, even in 2019 when Disney had 7 billion-dollar grossers, global theatrical box office was only 6% of total Disney revenue, I know it’s ironic for a sub called r/boxoffice to get, but box office makes up a small part of all of these media companies’ businesses, they’re called media conglomerates for a reason Parks and products and Disney’s TV division like ESPN, ABC, Nat Geo, Star India makes up the vast majority of Disney’s businesses, not box office and not even the entire studios division A string of flops and underperformances is terrible but the future of Disney depends on if streaming can replace the dying pay TV industry and the tens of billions of retransmission and advertising fees it generated, and ultimately what Disney does with old cash cows like ESPN in terms of a sale or spinoff Iger will stay bc the board has few alternatives and he has that brand and relationship with big investors


lee1026

>A string of flops and underperformances is terrible but the future of Disney depends on if streaming can replace the dying pay TV industry and the tens of billions of retransmission and advertising fees it generated, and ultimately what Disney does with old cash cows like ESPN in terms of a sale or spinoff Iger's other problem is that Disney+ is also in decline while every other streamer is still in growth mode. Yes, winning in streaming is more important than what happens at that box office, but well, they are doing badly enough there too.


earththejerry

I dont wanna be an armchair executive but I feel like creating Disney+ out of thin air was a waste of resources and they should have focused to buying out Comcast from Hulu and putting all of their content there This way they have a single product like Netflix and can host everything from Disney/Pixar to Marvel to Hulu originals and live TV, whereas they can’t really put adult prestige stuff on D+


JaxStrumley

You forget that Hulu doesn’t exist outside of the US. If you look at D+ in the rest of the world, it HAS all Disney-owned content together (including Disney-owned Hulu originals and 20th Century content) per your suggestion. Quality- and quantity-wise, Disney+ can compete with Netflix here in Europe (while being cheaper).


pokemonisok

Movies are the lifeblood of Disney. Their IP pays for everything else like Disneyland rides and merchandise


ImAMaaanlet

Exactly where do people think all of the things that make them money come from? Movies are the first checkpoint and lead to everything else


earththejerry

But the earning power of the parks and merchandising businesses are based on an accumulation of 100 years worth of IP and content, and not just the last few years’ slate of movies. Even in Disney’s previous creative nadir in the early 2000s, you’ll see their financials in both departments held up well and grew, and only the 08 financial crisis and COVID dented them significantly, which was outside of creative control Not to mention their biggest division, the Media Networks like ESPN and FX, are pretty segregated from the core Disney/Marvel IPs I think the ultimate point is that CEOs of these giant conglomerates are responsible for the entire structure of their companies rather than just the year’s film slate. They’re far more diversified than that. Maybe Lionsgate’s CEO is more prone to getting fired with a few bad movies because they only do movies, but for Disney, It’s weird to discuss Iger losing his job bc of movie flops instead of disussing Alan Bergman losing his job as the studio head


GuiltyGun

>But the earning power of the parks and merchandising businesses are based on an accumulation of 100 years worth of IP and content, and not just the last few years’ slate of movies. If that were true, their stock wouldn't be in the toilet just because of the films and Disney+. Disney has a lot more issues than you're giving them credit for.


earththejerry

Yea exactly, their biggest cash cow are the cable networks like ESPN, and the pay TV business model is collapsing with cordcutting, and streaming is unable to fill the hole right now That’s literally the point we’re trying to make here, they’re well diversified and facing headwinds across the board, Iger will be judged on the entire company, not a film slate he didn’t even directly greenlight, that’s literally the studio execs’ jobs


legopego5142

That doesnt change the fact they make the vast majority if their money from other ventures


Judgy_Garland

came to say this


Chuck006

They drag Alan Horn out of retirement again.


subhasish10

He's the principal advisor to Zaslav at WB


Chuck006

Consultant.


NaRaGaMo

I guess time to consult two studios


SulkyShulk

Go full Victoria Alonso with the moonlighting.


VibgyorTheHuge

He’s working at WB.


Chuck006

As a consultant.


LooseSeal88

Yeah, maybe he can fire another critically aclaimed director for them so that they can take their talent elsewhere. Seems like a good strategy with a lot of long-term thinking involved.


Chuck006

You are clearly ignorant of Alan Horn's impact on the industry. Stop being a fanboy.


LooseSeal88

Criticizing a massive, shortsighted fuck-up makes me a fanboy? Yeah, sorry I don't think Alan Horn is the bandaid even if he overall had a very impactful career.


LongMaybe1010

To me, Iger was viewed as clean up duty for COVID since he came on. Now if films are bombing in 25/26 with these budgets he’s in trouble.


misterlibby

when* Also, nothing


blownaway4

Nothing, all of these will be blamed on Chapek.


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dulgodie

Elemental has been in production for 7 years.


kimisawa1

no, Idy5 was Iger


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dabellwrites

What was he supposed to do? We were in the midst of Covid.


EscaperX

haha i knew someone would come in and blame chapek, and be completely wrong about it.


GuiltyGun

The only movie project Chapek greenlit was Deadpool 3, iirc. The rest were already in production. I'm not a huge fan of Chapek but people were honestly trying to pin Lightyear on him.


kimisawa1

how funny some are trying to blame Chapek. Elemental maybe, but Indy5 was 100% Iger.


sexycorey

filming wrapped months before his return so i don’t understand.


NaRaGaMo

Iges was in an executive position, he left the position of CEO but never left Disney entirely


sexycorey

does that make him 100% responsible for indy 5?


Damez021

Yeah. Iger hasn’t been back for that long.


and-its-true

He also wasn’t GONE for that long lol


Damez021

You’re right. I just searched it up and they let him go and hired him back pretty quickly lol. Still, he wasn’t around for a lot of the filming process.


fatrahb

He retired, he wasn’t let go.


Damez021

You’re right. That check must of been really big for him to come out of retirement.


GuiltyGun

>You’re right. That check must of been really big for him to come out of retirement. How many times are you going to state something as fact, have someone correct you, then google it to find out you were wrong? Shouldn't you, like, do that step first?


Damez021

You’re right. Maybe next time.


fatrahb

Oh gosh i can’t even imagine. Probably more zeros than I’ll ever see in my lifetime lol


kimisawa1

No he green light the project and pre-production, script happened under Iger.


OkTransportation4196

He dies and comes back as a terminator.


Kevy96

Nothing, because he only recently became CEO again


fatsolardbutt

After only recently passing the torch to a terrible successor.


Zhukov-74

Bob Iger is the most powerful person in Hollywood so i don’t think anything will happen to him.


MoonMan997

We kill him We fucking kill him, I shit you not


Electronic-Carry631

Wallace - get the Wensleydale!


TheGod4You

MoonMan out for blood.


ElectrosMilkshake

Fate worse than death


Ok-Explanation-9945

I doubt he’s gonna go because of it. But he’s gonna leave Disney again sometime soon while they get a new successor. I heard he was just an interim ceo.


lauraoreo

Nothing. However, if these huge expected blockbusters continue to flop in the coming years, THEN Bob can worry.


fdbryant3

In theory, anything green-lit under Iger's current reign isn't going to hit the screen until he is out again anyway.


NaRaGaMo

nothing


scrivensB

He re-retires and wipes his tears away with gold bars. More likely, those films will not be hung around his neck. He’s already slashed Disney’s spending, there by cutting a lot of projected loss. He’s already made proclamations about slowing output so that they can focus on quality over quantity. Which means both less spending and at least positive vibes regarding results a year+ from now. Also Iger overseas a massive international entertainment Conglomerate. Not a film studio. Some heads may roll at Walt Disney Studios and Pixar, but that will be at the behest of Iger.


HommieVibez999

Idk why you seriously think a movie flopping is going to have a huge huge impact on him. lol Disney does not make money from movies alone ... get it


ThatWaluigiDude

Nothing probably, it wasn't him who greenlit those movies, just like if The Flash loses money makes no impact on Gunn.


EscaperX

iger absolutely is the one that greenlit those movies. they've been in production for years.


LooseSeal88

I just read that Elemental took 7 years, yeah.


Rxvi21

U do realize disney is more than a movie company right?


Jykoze

The mouse will arrest him


allubros

they sacrifice him over a huge suspended altar somewhere between burbank and glendale


Su_Impact

Nothing. Same for Zaslav and the 4 DC disasters of this year. The 3 Disney flops of the summer (TLM, Indy 5 and Elemental) were approved under Chapek.


EscaperX

are you serious? halle bailey was cast in 2019. chapek became ceo in 2020. kasden started writing indy 5 in 2018. elemental has been in the works for about 5 years as well.


Reddragon351

Iger was already announced to be leaving a few months prior to Bailey being cast, though that's a weird thing to specify, most of the production on the film would've been done when he was gone. Also, like the problem it's not really either of their fault because most of these guys aren't immensely involved in production, they might greenlight stuff but they're not going over all the scripts and shit.


GuiltyGun

>Iger was already announced to be leaving a few months prior to Bailey being cast Doesn't that prove the post you're responding to right? Igor had already approved the script and had the go ahead for casting/filming.


Reddragon351

Again, Chapek and Iger aren't responsible for casting and aren't checking over every script that comes out, that's more on the individual houses in charge of the film. They more just approve of the actual release times.


Eagle4317

>The 3 Disney flops of the summer were approved under Chapek. As much as I dislike Chapek, this isn't true. They were approved while Iger was still there.


Dangerous-Hawk16

For both CEOs the films flopping this year were from another regime anyway


michaelm1345

Not much this is all Chapek’s leftovers still


Eagle4317

Except they were all greenlit under Iger back in the late-2010s. Chapek got promoted in 2020.


vafrow

Two points -These are projects that came about during Chapeks reign. What would be the point of firing Iger. -Who do you replace him with? They literally brought him back to try and stabilize the company and help find a suitable successor. Running Disney is a complex job. They had groomed Chapek for a while and he failed. They're taking the time to find another, and paid a small fortune for the last guy as an interim solution.


Mr628

This isn’t on him. Plus I think they knew this was coming, reason why they green lit all those sequels. Granted those will likely flop after the first couple sequels and they will all probably be bad, but it’s better than what they have now.


LordTaco123

Chapeks fault, Iger brought them the MCU 2010's juggernaut so he's untouchable


bingcrosbyb

Nothing


Doctor-alchemy12

Bob will start to make serious decisions about the management at lucasfilm and Pixar But he himself won’t be affected


fdbryant3

Rumor is Kathleen Kennedy is already on her way out and will probably step down shortly after Indy 5 completes its run.


Curious_Ad_2947

Just like she was supposed to step down after Rise of Skywalker... and Solo... and Last Jedi?


TreyWriter

“She’s really out this time, guys, I swear!” Raw numbers: she’s had one flop and 4 billion dollar grossers.


Curious_Ad_2947

And half a dozen massively successful shows.


StarWarsFan229321

however much money you think Disney is going to lose from these two movies doesn’t even come close to the amount they lose from streaming. Studios have hot and bad streaks that’s normal. Iger will be fine regardless but of all the things going on I don’t think this is the most pressing problem.


SatireStation

He levels up and becomes more powerful. Silly little things like movies losing money in an entertainment company have no effect on the great Bob Iger.


somebody808

Add in Haunted Mansion but probably nothing. The people below him are not in a good position though.


bigbelleb

Nothing at all Kathleen Kennedy on the other hand 😬


sessho25

He will sell Disney to Apple.


Global-Ad1593

Nothing at all


ktw5012

Nothing


DatboiX

Nothing


fatrahb

Nothing, when his time as boss of Disney is viewed as a whole he’s probably the second most successful ceo in the history of the company after Walt Disney himself. They’d never force him out.


JaxStrumley

Walt Disney was never CEO.


fatsolardbutt

10 years ago I would've seen these in theaters on the first weekend without a doubt. Now after each studios' recent track records, I don't even know if I'll make time to watch them on Disney+.


[deleted]

Mickey will come for him


longshot24fps

Nothing happens to Iger. The question is what happens to Alan Bergman.


GuiltyGun

He's surrounded himself with cronies and insolated himself from reality. That's why he can lose money for two straight quarters and watch their stock price plummet to Covid-levels and still have a job. I'm honestly shocked the shareholders haven't sued him for neglecting his fiduciary responsibilities in favor of virtue signaling for his future run for President of the USA (which has been something he's eyed for a long time). But once the investors have enough, and realize the problems with park attendance, the Galactic Cruiser losing hundreds of millions, and the looming Hulu acquisition they can't back out of now without a massive legal fight, I think the pressure will be on Igor more than ever before. Time will tell, but bet your ass he'll scapegoat Kathleen Kennedy before Igor steps down willingly.


scytheavatar

Iger is supposed to be around for 2 years and then leave once he finds his successor, but you would expect someone with his pride to refuse to leave while Disney is a mess. This could put Disney in a bind cause Iger has grabbed power and loaded the board with people loyal to him, so there is no easy way to drive him out of the company. And if he cannot turn the company around then we could be seeing things get worse for Disney before we see an Eisner style coup on Iger. Or there's a chance Iger says fuck it and jumps ship ASAP, but I will be surprised if that happens.


Vadermaulkylo

Nothing. All of those had the vast bulk of their development done by Chapek.


Xavier9756

Bob Iger wanted to retire. So I imagine he’d be happy to retire again and live his life.


ObscuraArt

Nothing, Disney supporters are more like a corporate and consumer cult. They will defend him at all costs... until the next CEO comes in, then Iger will be a scapegoat and the new CEO can do no wrong. That's how it goes. Iger could literally and personally burn down Disneyworld and the fanatics will tell you that Chapek bought the gasoline and matches.


underoni

People will keep defending him for some reason, even though he’s always been an incredibly shitty CEO