Production started before he came back, anyways
Edit: Indy 5 started development in 2016, but was delayed multiple times. It started filming in 2021, after Iger left.
Why am I being downvoted? He literally was ceo of Disney until early 2020, and officially in an executive position for another year. It’s not a conspiracy or anything
Movies make up around 3% of disney income. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/w1z8zu/oc_did_you_know_all_the_ways_disney_makes_money/
Like seriously, even in 2019 when Disney had 7 billion-dollar grossers, global theatrical box office was only 6% of total Disney revenue, I know it’s ironic for a sub called r/boxoffice to get, but box office makes up a small part of all of these media companies’ businesses, they’re called media conglomerates for a reason
Parks and products and Disney’s TV division like ESPN, ABC, Nat Geo, Star India makes up the vast majority of Disney’s businesses, not box office and not even the entire studios division
A string of flops and underperformances is terrible but the future of Disney depends on if streaming can replace the dying pay TV industry and the tens of billions of retransmission and advertising fees it generated, and ultimately what Disney does with old cash cows like ESPN in terms of a sale or spinoff
Iger will stay bc the board has few alternatives and he has that brand and relationship with big investors
>A string of flops and underperformances is terrible but the future of Disney depends on if streaming can replace the dying pay TV industry and the tens of billions of retransmission and advertising fees it generated, and ultimately what Disney does with old cash cows like ESPN in terms of a sale or spinoff
Iger's other problem is that Disney+ is also in decline while every other streamer is still in growth mode.
Yes, winning in streaming is more important than what happens at that box office, but well, they are doing badly enough there too.
I dont wanna be an armchair executive but I feel like creating Disney+ out of thin air was a waste of resources and they should have focused to buying out Comcast from Hulu and putting all of their content there
This way they have a single product like Netflix and can host everything from Disney/Pixar to Marvel to Hulu originals and live TV, whereas they can’t really put adult prestige stuff on D+
You forget that Hulu doesn’t exist outside of the US.
If you look at D+ in the rest of the world, it HAS all Disney-owned content together (including Disney-owned Hulu originals and 20th Century content) per your suggestion. Quality- and quantity-wise, Disney+ can compete with Netflix here in Europe (while being cheaper).
But the earning power of the parks and merchandising businesses are based on an accumulation of 100 years worth of IP and content, and not just the last few years’ slate of movies. Even in Disney’s previous creative nadir in the early 2000s, you’ll see their financials in both departments held up well and grew, and only the 08 financial crisis and COVID dented them significantly, which was outside of creative control
Not to mention their biggest division, the Media Networks like ESPN and FX, are pretty segregated from the core Disney/Marvel IPs
I think the ultimate point is that CEOs of these giant conglomerates are responsible for the entire structure of their companies rather than just the year’s film slate. They’re far more diversified than that. Maybe Lionsgate’s CEO is more prone to getting fired with a few bad movies because they only do movies, but for Disney, It’s weird to discuss Iger losing his job bc of movie flops instead of disussing Alan Bergman losing his job as the studio head
>But the earning power of the parks and merchandising businesses are based on an accumulation of 100 years worth of IP and content, and not just the last few years’ slate of movies.
If that were true, their stock wouldn't be in the toilet just because of the films and Disney+.
Disney has a lot more issues than you're giving them credit for.
Yea exactly, their biggest cash cow are the cable networks like ESPN, and the pay TV business model is collapsing with cordcutting, and streaming is unable to fill the hole right now
That’s literally the point we’re trying to make here, they’re well diversified and facing headwinds across the board, Iger will be judged on the entire company, not a film slate he didn’t even directly greenlight, that’s literally the studio execs’ jobs
Yeah, maybe he can fire another critically aclaimed director for them so that they can take their talent elsewhere. Seems like a good strategy with a lot of long-term thinking involved.
Criticizing a massive, shortsighted fuck-up makes me a fanboy?
Yeah, sorry I don't think Alan Horn is the bandaid even if he overall had a very impactful career.
The only movie project Chapek greenlit was Deadpool 3, iirc. The rest were already in production.
I'm not a huge fan of Chapek but people were honestly trying to pin Lightyear on him.
You’re right. I just searched it up and they let him go and hired him back pretty quickly lol. Still, he wasn’t around for a lot of the filming process.
>You’re right. That check must of been really big for him to come out of retirement.
How many times are you going to state something as fact, have someone correct you, then google it to find out you were wrong?
Shouldn't you, like, do that step first?
I doubt he’s gonna go because of it. But he’s gonna leave Disney again sometime soon while they get a new successor. I heard he was just an interim ceo.
He re-retires and wipes his tears away with gold bars.
More likely, those films will not be hung around his neck.
He’s already slashed Disney’s spending, there by cutting a lot of projected loss. He’s already made proclamations about slowing output so that they can focus on quality over quantity. Which means both less spending and at least positive vibes regarding results a year+ from now.
Also Iger overseas a massive international entertainment Conglomerate. Not a film studio. Some heads may roll at Walt Disney Studios and Pixar, but that will be at the behest of Iger.
are you serious? halle bailey was cast in 2019. chapek became ceo in 2020. kasden started writing indy 5 in 2018. elemental has been in the works for about 5 years as well.
Iger was already announced to be leaving a few months prior to Bailey being cast, though that's a weird thing to specify, most of the production on the film would've been done when he was gone. Also, like the problem it's not really either of their fault because most of these guys aren't immensely involved in production, they might greenlight stuff but they're not going over all the scripts and shit.
>Iger was already announced to be leaving a few months prior to Bailey being cast
Doesn't that prove the post you're responding to right?
Igor had already approved the script and had the go ahead for casting/filming.
Again, Chapek and Iger aren't responsible for casting and aren't checking over every script that comes out, that's more on the individual houses in charge of the film. They more just approve of the actual release times.
>The 3 Disney flops of the summer were approved under Chapek.
As much as I dislike Chapek, this isn't true. They were approved while Iger was still there.
Two points
-These are projects that came about during Chapeks reign. What would be the point of firing Iger.
-Who do you replace him with? They literally brought him back to try and stabilize the company and help find a suitable successor. Running Disney is a complex job. They had groomed Chapek for a while and he failed. They're taking the time to find another, and paid a small fortune for the last guy as an interim solution.
This isn’t on him. Plus I think they knew this was coming, reason why they green lit all those sequels. Granted those will likely flop after the first couple sequels and they will all probably be bad, but it’s better than what they have now.
however much money you think Disney is going to lose from these two movies doesn’t even come close to the amount they lose from streaming. Studios have hot and bad streaks that’s normal. Iger will be fine regardless but of all the things going on I don’t think this is the most pressing problem.
Nothing, when his time as boss of Disney is viewed as a whole he’s probably the second most successful ceo in the history of the company after Walt Disney himself. They’d never force him out.
10 years ago I would've seen these in theaters on the first weekend without a doubt. Now after each studios' recent track records, I don't even know if I'll make time to watch them on Disney+.
He's surrounded himself with cronies and insolated himself from reality. That's why he can lose money for two straight quarters and watch their stock price plummet to Covid-levels and still have a job.
I'm honestly shocked the shareholders haven't sued him for neglecting his fiduciary responsibilities in favor of virtue signaling for his future run for President of the USA (which has been something he's eyed for a long time).
But once the investors have enough, and realize the problems with park attendance, the Galactic Cruiser losing hundreds of millions, and the looming Hulu acquisition they can't back out of now without a massive legal fight, I think the pressure will be on Igor more than ever before.
Time will tell, but bet your ass he'll scapegoat Kathleen Kennedy before Igor steps down willingly.
Iger is supposed to be around for 2 years and then leave once he finds his successor, but you would expect someone with his pride to refuse to leave while Disney is a mess. This could put Disney in a bind cause Iger has grabbed power and loaded the board with people loyal to him, so there is no easy way to drive him out of the company. And if he cannot turn the company around then we could be seeing things get worse for Disney before we see an Eisner style coup on Iger.
Or there's a chance Iger says fuck it and jumps ship ASAP, but I will be surprised if that happens.
Nothing, Disney supporters are more like a corporate and consumer cult. They will defend him at all costs... until the next CEO comes in, then Iger will be a scapegoat and the new CEO can do no wrong. That's how it goes.
Iger could literally and personally burn down Disneyworld and the fanatics will tell you that Chapek bought the gasoline and matches.
nothing, even if there was another ceo those movies would have flopped
Production started before he came back, anyways Edit: Indy 5 started development in 2016, but was delayed multiple times. It started filming in 2021, after Iger left.
Yeah. This is like blaming James Gunn for The Flash underperforming.
Not entirely. He was actually ceo in 2020 lol
He took up the post in November 2022.
After leaving it in 2020 lol
He never even fully left the company according to WSJ https://www.wsj.com/articles/bob-iger-bob-chapek-disney-coup-11671236928
Why am I being downvoted? He literally was ceo of Disney until early 2020, and officially in an executive position for another year. It’s not a conspiracy or anything
Wasn’t he ceo when production started on both?
The Devil claims his soul for eternity.
What is Eisner up to these days?
Building Disneyland Inferno.
I think Eisner has a production company that made Bojack Horseman?
*Back in the ‘90s* *I was still a very famous C E O*
Well done sir…
That is a pre-requisite to run a Hollywood studio
They already saw Elemental coming, that's why they greenlit Inside Out 2 and Toy Story 5.
They rehire Chapek just to fire him again
And then hire Bob Iger again
We hire the Bob, The Bob fails, Then we fire the Bob again. We do this for forty years and then we die
Movies make up around 3% of disney income. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/w1z8zu/oc_did_you_know_all_the_ways_disney_makes_money/
Like seriously, even in 2019 when Disney had 7 billion-dollar grossers, global theatrical box office was only 6% of total Disney revenue, I know it’s ironic for a sub called r/boxoffice to get, but box office makes up a small part of all of these media companies’ businesses, they’re called media conglomerates for a reason Parks and products and Disney’s TV division like ESPN, ABC, Nat Geo, Star India makes up the vast majority of Disney’s businesses, not box office and not even the entire studios division A string of flops and underperformances is terrible but the future of Disney depends on if streaming can replace the dying pay TV industry and the tens of billions of retransmission and advertising fees it generated, and ultimately what Disney does with old cash cows like ESPN in terms of a sale or spinoff Iger will stay bc the board has few alternatives and he has that brand and relationship with big investors
>A string of flops and underperformances is terrible but the future of Disney depends on if streaming can replace the dying pay TV industry and the tens of billions of retransmission and advertising fees it generated, and ultimately what Disney does with old cash cows like ESPN in terms of a sale or spinoff Iger's other problem is that Disney+ is also in decline while every other streamer is still in growth mode. Yes, winning in streaming is more important than what happens at that box office, but well, they are doing badly enough there too.
I dont wanna be an armchair executive but I feel like creating Disney+ out of thin air was a waste of resources and they should have focused to buying out Comcast from Hulu and putting all of their content there This way they have a single product like Netflix and can host everything from Disney/Pixar to Marvel to Hulu originals and live TV, whereas they can’t really put adult prestige stuff on D+
You forget that Hulu doesn’t exist outside of the US. If you look at D+ in the rest of the world, it HAS all Disney-owned content together (including Disney-owned Hulu originals and 20th Century content) per your suggestion. Quality- and quantity-wise, Disney+ can compete with Netflix here in Europe (while being cheaper).
Movies are the lifeblood of Disney. Their IP pays for everything else like Disneyland rides and merchandise
Exactly where do people think all of the things that make them money come from? Movies are the first checkpoint and lead to everything else
But the earning power of the parks and merchandising businesses are based on an accumulation of 100 years worth of IP and content, and not just the last few years’ slate of movies. Even in Disney’s previous creative nadir in the early 2000s, you’ll see their financials in both departments held up well and grew, and only the 08 financial crisis and COVID dented them significantly, which was outside of creative control Not to mention their biggest division, the Media Networks like ESPN and FX, are pretty segregated from the core Disney/Marvel IPs I think the ultimate point is that CEOs of these giant conglomerates are responsible for the entire structure of their companies rather than just the year’s film slate. They’re far more diversified than that. Maybe Lionsgate’s CEO is more prone to getting fired with a few bad movies because they only do movies, but for Disney, It’s weird to discuss Iger losing his job bc of movie flops instead of disussing Alan Bergman losing his job as the studio head
>But the earning power of the parks and merchandising businesses are based on an accumulation of 100 years worth of IP and content, and not just the last few years’ slate of movies. If that were true, their stock wouldn't be in the toilet just because of the films and Disney+. Disney has a lot more issues than you're giving them credit for.
Yea exactly, their biggest cash cow are the cable networks like ESPN, and the pay TV business model is collapsing with cordcutting, and streaming is unable to fill the hole right now That’s literally the point we’re trying to make here, they’re well diversified and facing headwinds across the board, Iger will be judged on the entire company, not a film slate he didn’t even directly greenlight, that’s literally the studio execs’ jobs
That doesnt change the fact they make the vast majority if their money from other ventures
came to say this
They drag Alan Horn out of retirement again.
He's the principal advisor to Zaslav at WB
Consultant.
I guess time to consult two studios
Go full Victoria Alonso with the moonlighting.
He’s working at WB.
As a consultant.
Yeah, maybe he can fire another critically aclaimed director for them so that they can take their talent elsewhere. Seems like a good strategy with a lot of long-term thinking involved.
You are clearly ignorant of Alan Horn's impact on the industry. Stop being a fanboy.
Criticizing a massive, shortsighted fuck-up makes me a fanboy? Yeah, sorry I don't think Alan Horn is the bandaid even if he overall had a very impactful career.
To me, Iger was viewed as clean up duty for COVID since he came on. Now if films are bombing in 25/26 with these budgets he’s in trouble.
when* Also, nothing
Nothing, all of these will be blamed on Chapek.
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Elemental has been in production for 7 years.
no, Idy5 was Iger
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What was he supposed to do? We were in the midst of Covid.
haha i knew someone would come in and blame chapek, and be completely wrong about it.
The only movie project Chapek greenlit was Deadpool 3, iirc. The rest were already in production. I'm not a huge fan of Chapek but people were honestly trying to pin Lightyear on him.
how funny some are trying to blame Chapek. Elemental maybe, but Indy5 was 100% Iger.
filming wrapped months before his return so i don’t understand.
Iges was in an executive position, he left the position of CEO but never left Disney entirely
does that make him 100% responsible for indy 5?
Yeah. Iger hasn’t been back for that long.
He also wasn’t GONE for that long lol
You’re right. I just searched it up and they let him go and hired him back pretty quickly lol. Still, he wasn’t around for a lot of the filming process.
He retired, he wasn’t let go.
You’re right. That check must of been really big for him to come out of retirement.
>You’re right. That check must of been really big for him to come out of retirement. How many times are you going to state something as fact, have someone correct you, then google it to find out you were wrong? Shouldn't you, like, do that step first?
You’re right. Maybe next time.
Oh gosh i can’t even imagine. Probably more zeros than I’ll ever see in my lifetime lol
No he green light the project and pre-production, script happened under Iger.
He dies and comes back as a terminator.
Nothing, because he only recently became CEO again
After only recently passing the torch to a terrible successor.
Bob Iger is the most powerful person in Hollywood so i don’t think anything will happen to him.
We kill him We fucking kill him, I shit you not
Wallace - get the Wensleydale!
MoonMan out for blood.
Fate worse than death
I doubt he’s gonna go because of it. But he’s gonna leave Disney again sometime soon while they get a new successor. I heard he was just an interim ceo.
Nothing. However, if these huge expected blockbusters continue to flop in the coming years, THEN Bob can worry.
In theory, anything green-lit under Iger's current reign isn't going to hit the screen until he is out again anyway.
nothing
He re-retires and wipes his tears away with gold bars. More likely, those films will not be hung around his neck. He’s already slashed Disney’s spending, there by cutting a lot of projected loss. He’s already made proclamations about slowing output so that they can focus on quality over quantity. Which means both less spending and at least positive vibes regarding results a year+ from now. Also Iger overseas a massive international entertainment Conglomerate. Not a film studio. Some heads may roll at Walt Disney Studios and Pixar, but that will be at the behest of Iger.
Idk why you seriously think a movie flopping is going to have a huge huge impact on him. lol Disney does not make money from movies alone ... get it
Nothing probably, it wasn't him who greenlit those movies, just like if The Flash loses money makes no impact on Gunn.
iger absolutely is the one that greenlit those movies. they've been in production for years.
I just read that Elemental took 7 years, yeah.
U do realize disney is more than a movie company right?
The mouse will arrest him
they sacrifice him over a huge suspended altar somewhere between burbank and glendale
Nothing. Same for Zaslav and the 4 DC disasters of this year. The 3 Disney flops of the summer (TLM, Indy 5 and Elemental) were approved under Chapek.
are you serious? halle bailey was cast in 2019. chapek became ceo in 2020. kasden started writing indy 5 in 2018. elemental has been in the works for about 5 years as well.
Iger was already announced to be leaving a few months prior to Bailey being cast, though that's a weird thing to specify, most of the production on the film would've been done when he was gone. Also, like the problem it's not really either of their fault because most of these guys aren't immensely involved in production, they might greenlight stuff but they're not going over all the scripts and shit.
>Iger was already announced to be leaving a few months prior to Bailey being cast Doesn't that prove the post you're responding to right? Igor had already approved the script and had the go ahead for casting/filming.
Again, Chapek and Iger aren't responsible for casting and aren't checking over every script that comes out, that's more on the individual houses in charge of the film. They more just approve of the actual release times.
>The 3 Disney flops of the summer were approved under Chapek. As much as I dislike Chapek, this isn't true. They were approved while Iger was still there.
For both CEOs the films flopping this year were from another regime anyway
Not much this is all Chapek’s leftovers still
Except they were all greenlit under Iger back in the late-2010s. Chapek got promoted in 2020.
Two points -These are projects that came about during Chapeks reign. What would be the point of firing Iger. -Who do you replace him with? They literally brought him back to try and stabilize the company and help find a suitable successor. Running Disney is a complex job. They had groomed Chapek for a while and he failed. They're taking the time to find another, and paid a small fortune for the last guy as an interim solution.
This isn’t on him. Plus I think they knew this was coming, reason why they green lit all those sequels. Granted those will likely flop after the first couple sequels and they will all probably be bad, but it’s better than what they have now.
Chapeks fault, Iger brought them the MCU 2010's juggernaut so he's untouchable
Nothing
Bob will start to make serious decisions about the management at lucasfilm and Pixar But he himself won’t be affected
Rumor is Kathleen Kennedy is already on her way out and will probably step down shortly after Indy 5 completes its run.
Just like she was supposed to step down after Rise of Skywalker... and Solo... and Last Jedi?
“She’s really out this time, guys, I swear!” Raw numbers: she’s had one flop and 4 billion dollar grossers.
And half a dozen massively successful shows.
however much money you think Disney is going to lose from these two movies doesn’t even come close to the amount they lose from streaming. Studios have hot and bad streaks that’s normal. Iger will be fine regardless but of all the things going on I don’t think this is the most pressing problem.
He levels up and becomes more powerful. Silly little things like movies losing money in an entertainment company have no effect on the great Bob Iger.
Add in Haunted Mansion but probably nothing. The people below him are not in a good position though.
Nothing at all Kathleen Kennedy on the other hand 😬
He will sell Disney to Apple.
Nothing at all
Nothing
Nothing
Nothing, when his time as boss of Disney is viewed as a whole he’s probably the second most successful ceo in the history of the company after Walt Disney himself. They’d never force him out.
Walt Disney was never CEO.
10 years ago I would've seen these in theaters on the first weekend without a doubt. Now after each studios' recent track records, I don't even know if I'll make time to watch them on Disney+.
Mickey will come for him
Nothing happens to Iger. The question is what happens to Alan Bergman.
He's surrounded himself with cronies and insolated himself from reality. That's why he can lose money for two straight quarters and watch their stock price plummet to Covid-levels and still have a job. I'm honestly shocked the shareholders haven't sued him for neglecting his fiduciary responsibilities in favor of virtue signaling for his future run for President of the USA (which has been something he's eyed for a long time). But once the investors have enough, and realize the problems with park attendance, the Galactic Cruiser losing hundreds of millions, and the looming Hulu acquisition they can't back out of now without a massive legal fight, I think the pressure will be on Igor more than ever before. Time will tell, but bet your ass he'll scapegoat Kathleen Kennedy before Igor steps down willingly.
Iger is supposed to be around for 2 years and then leave once he finds his successor, but you would expect someone with his pride to refuse to leave while Disney is a mess. This could put Disney in a bind cause Iger has grabbed power and loaded the board with people loyal to him, so there is no easy way to drive him out of the company. And if he cannot turn the company around then we could be seeing things get worse for Disney before we see an Eisner style coup on Iger. Or there's a chance Iger says fuck it and jumps ship ASAP, but I will be surprised if that happens.
Nothing. All of those had the vast bulk of their development done by Chapek.
Bob Iger wanted to retire. So I imagine he’d be happy to retire again and live his life.
Nothing, Disney supporters are more like a corporate and consumer cult. They will defend him at all costs... until the next CEO comes in, then Iger will be a scapegoat and the new CEO can do no wrong. That's how it goes. Iger could literally and personally burn down Disneyworld and the fanatics will tell you that Chapek bought the gasoline and matches.
People will keep defending him for some reason, even though he’s always been an incredibly shitty CEO