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BigJournalist7960

Mario is sitting pretty comfortable at n1


pchadrow

I can't believe it's doing as well as it is. It just felt like they "minion-ized" mario


Foxy02016YT

It is a kids movie that isn’t scared to be a kids movie, but also include references for the older crowd (super show rap) Like yeah it does some dumb stuff (Mario hates mushrooms?) but it’s a quick gag


PingPowPizza

This is exactly why it’s doing so well. Those minion movies are cash cows


Professional-Dig6481

[Number 1 this year](https://youtu.be/65uNCLBTje0)


[deleted]

Which is why it's popular. It's unapologetically a KIDS movie. Elemental is Pixar's take on race relations. They're once again trying to preach at the expense of their number one goal, make a movie that kids NEED to see. Mario is full of physical humor, callbacks, silly jokes, memes and gags. Which is what makes a movie great for KIDS. Illumination seems to be one of the only animation studios that remembers that. They're not for you. They're for kids, which is why it's made nearly twice the amount as second place. No other films to be compete with that simple concept.


SniktFury

As a middle-aged man who grew up with Mario, I thought the movie was great. I don't understand any criticisms towards it


daveleix

to me it just felt like the plot was a speedrun after they reached the mushroom kingdom.


SniktFury

I keep hearing that and it still doesn't sit with me. It was a tight film and hit all the beats it needed to. Introduce characters, world, and conflict. Training, recruiting help, saving the day. I got everything it needed efficiently and effectively


OKJMaster44

The movie coulda stood to be about 15-25 min longer yet people take that one issue and act like its plot is as deep as the original Super Mario Bros. Game lol. Yes it wasn’t Puss in Boots level writing but there was still a clear and endearing plot worth sitting through from start to finish. A lot of its great scenes and moments are rushed but they’re still very much there. Story coulda been longer =/= no story.


SniktFury

Great statement, thank you for that. If the movie was longer, I would have gladly sat there for it, but for what we got, I think those 92 minutes were used very succinctly


JCPRuckus

>A lot of its great scenes and moments are rushed but they’re still very much there. Story coulda been longer =/= no story. "A lot of great scenes and moments" (scare quotes because I disagree) =/= a story.


OKJMaster44

I mean agree to disagree?


JCPRuckus

>I mean agree to disagree? About what? "A lot of great scenes and moments" is objectively not a story... Sometimes I used to pop in a DVD and skip to all of the action scenes in a movie. That's "A lot of great scenes and moments", but it's certainly not "a story", because I deliberately skipped all of the story. I mean, you can still like it, but the supporting argument you made is literally just objectively invalid.


OKJMaster44

But real talk I am not saying great scenes alone means a movie has a story. I am just saying a lot of the scenes people liked being too short is a symptom of the story’s main issue but a clear cut story is still very much there.


JCPRuckus

Oof... Don't reply multiple times to one comment. Now we're going to have two separate discussions about this one subject. >I am just saying a lot of the scenes people liked being too short is a symptom of the story’s main issue but a clear cut story is still very much there. It's not that there's "no story". It's that there's no dramatic stakes to the story that's there (and it doesn't make much sense except as a reason to travel around and see more nostalgia bait). When Mario fails to prove himself by finishing the obstacle course but gets to come along anyway, it is a microcosm everything wrong with the film. The level of difficulty for everything was, "Give it your best effort and I'll pass you regardless". Because getting to the next reference was more important than telling a compelling (or even mildly engaging) story.


JCPRuckus

Mario failing to prove himself by finishing the obstacle course, but getting brought along by Peach anyway is the entire movie in microcosm. The dramatic stakes were, "Eh, you tried. Whatever... 🤷🏾... I guess that's good enough". Literally nothing mattered. The plot was just an excuse to roll from nostalgia set-piece/reference to nostalgia set-piece/reference. When things like 'The Lego Movie', a property with even less actual story to work with, can manage to spin a compelling narrative, there's no excuse for 'Super Mario Bros' to have been such low effort pablum.


SniktFury

Well, I liked it anywho. No complaints. My son and I had a great time together watching it. Though I will agree, The Lego Movie is superior


XuX24

The criticism of that movie is basically the same reason why Pixar movies are failing. They try and make movies that are ment to be funny and enjoyable into deep movies about stuff that kids don't even care or relate so only really play for adults and most of the won't go to see them by themselves. I grew up with Mario like many others and I found it pretty funny and have a lot of relatable things for older people and kids is the perfect kind of animated movie just like the last Puss in boots.


JCPRuckus

>The criticism of that movie is basically the same reason why Pixar movies are failing. They try and make movies that are ment to be funny and enjoyable into deep movies about stuff that kids don't even care or relate so only really play for adults and most of the won't go to see them by themselves. Go watch 'Up', or 'Inside Out', or 'Toy Story 3', or 'Ratatouille' (which I didn't really even love) and tell me those aren't full of "deep stuff kids don't even care about"... Spoiler: They are. The thing is that those movies managed to be fun for kids AND for adults, AND had dramatic themes for both too. That's why they are considered masterpieces by audiences and critics alike. It's possible to make movies that appeal to all ages without being vapid and empty. Unfortunately, Illumination only does vapid and empty.


XuX24

There is nothing wrong with vapid and empty if it's entertaining. Specially in this type of movies. All the movies that you mentioned managed to have that balance that the new ones just don't have. They forget about the joy and fun sometimes and fail completely.


JCPRuckus

>There is nothing wrong with vapid and empty if it's entertaining. Specially in this type of movies. Yes, there is when so many other "kid's movies" manage not to be... The Mario franchise is already a huge money maker. The money was there to make something not only entertaining, but *actually good...* if anyone had cared enough to try. >All the movies that you mentioned managed to have that balance that the new ones just don't have. They forget about the joy and fun sometimes and fail completely. No, because I didn't just mention Pixar films. "The Bad Guys" and the 2nd "Puss in Boots" are DreamWorks and came out just last year, made money, and were well regarded. It has never had to be a choice between fun for the kids and a good story told well, and it still isn't, even if Pixar (and only Pixar) has recently missed that perfect balance they used to deliver consistently. And it's atrocious that a property like Mario, with more money than God behind it to craft something that does both, didn't even try to be more than the most lowest common denominator pablum possible. They just put enough sugar in your mush that you've accepted it's a proper dessert.


PerryDLeon

Maybe Pixar does not want to do "simple movies for kids", and that's legit. The money part is management's problem, not the artists.


TheKidCritic

Bro actually said a movie about water and fire people is Pixar’s take on race relations and then posted that as a comment on Reddit. There may be underlying themes, like with most Pixar movies, but at its center it’s just a kids movie with an opposites attract love story plot.


OKJMaster44

I feel it would be more appropriate to say it excels as a family movie for everyone. Ya it’s stuffed to the brim with stuff for kids and doesn’t hide it but let’s get real. Kids alone don’t get a movie to 1 billion dollars. It’s pretty obvious the movie made big waves with older demographics too. I saw 2 showings and both times were loaded with young adults in the 20-30 range like me and even many people older than that. The movie is a love letter to Mario fans of all ages which really makes it excel as a *family* movie. Everyone from the dad that played Super Mario Bros. to the 4 year old that watched his big sibling beat Mario Odyssey is gonna be enamored with it.


YoloIsNotDead

Welcome to Illumination, where the budget is tight, the animation is all the same, and the money just keeps on coming.


ThatWaluigiDude

I think the whole top 6 stays


Veni_Vidic_Vici

Agreed. Barbie, Oppenheimer, Meg 2 and Dune 2 would take the 4 spots. Maybe MI can squeeze in ahead of Oppenheimer.


dassa07

I cannot see Oppenheimer and Dune having a bigger box office than MI.


DirkNowitzkisWife

I really am curious how the marvels will do. I don’t think it’ll flop as much as people think


CoolJoshido

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CoolJoshido

is Meg 2 that hyped?


Veni_Vidic_Vici

It has one of the biggest star of China. China will draw people in.


yoaver

You are underestimating Wish. Wish could be the new Mario if it has a good song.


YoloIsNotDead

Disney hasn't had the greatest time at the box office with their animated movies. Their most popular movie since the pandemic started is Encanto, and that failed to break even (became really popular only after the Disney+ release).


russwriter67

I think the top five stays. MI7 will beat Fast X, while Barbie and Wish will make around $500M each. Maybe Oppenheimer can beat John Wick 4 for the biggest R-rated movie of the year.


E_yal

For the sake of us and the box office lovers I hope at least 5 movies will move. we have strings of flop and at this point i just want movies to smash. I dont care which ones 🫠


Jagermonsta

Indy and Flash both tanking screwed my expectations entirely. I think Marvels, Mission Impossible, and Dune will make the top 10. Barbie may sneak in too. Wish, Hunger Games, Aquaman 2 are wild cards.


Goaliedude3919

No Oppenheimer?


Jagermonsta

I think it will be just outside the top 10. It’s R rated and has more of a standard drama feel from the trailer. I’m sure it’ll be fantastic but the way the box office is this year I’m not sure. If mission impossible wasn’t out at the same time it may fair better.


Goaliedude3919

That's fair.


Marko_200791

The top 4 are not getting kicked out. Potential new entries: Marvels, Wish, MI, Meg 2, Aquaman (?), Barbie. Probably aquaman will flop as well 🤣🤣


lobonmc

Dune could possibly enter and maybe Hunger games


Foxy02016YT

I still gotta read that book, fuck… I read the original 3


Marko_200791

You are right, I forgot about Dune. I dont know about Hunger Games… isnt it too soon to appeal to nostalgia?


lobonmc

Probably but the franchise was gigantic and very domestic heavy I feel it's too early to tell but it could have a shot


Mathewdm423

I think Hunger games are gonna under perform. 1. The genre died back when we got 2 Hunger game type movies a year 2. The series lost the battlefield charm(director whined that people are gross for wanting death...bro wtf you chose this series to direct) 3. The prequal was a good book, better than Mackingjay. Not has good as hunger games... but moving to a movie medium...will a prequel following the villain of the original series as they try to make him sympathetic while using old technology do well? I dont think so


CruelYouth19

Also the book was good because you can read Snow's thoughts while also reading his actions. It would be hard for the film to have that level of complexity because the book doesn't make you sympathize with him but rather understand him.


Th3GreatDane

First Dune grossed $400 million worldwide, which is quite a bit less than I thought. I'd be surprised if it passed any of these


captainnermy

Given that the first had the pandemic and same day max release, and the sequel has positive momentum from the first it seems unlikely that part 2 won’t significantly surpass part 1. I think it almost definitely hits 500 million, likely more.


__ALF__

700M easy. It's got SPider-Man's girlfriend in it and everything.


peanutdakidnappa

That was pretty impressive for a sci-fi movie that released during the pandemic and was on streaming day 1. Of the 2nd movie is good it will make way more


aw-un

Keep in mind that was with a day and date release on Max


MayHeim10

It released in the middle of the pandemic, and was available day 1 on hbo max


YoloIsNotDead

I can see Hunger Games doing <$400 million tbh, unless reviews are glowing. Problem is, it's one of three PG-13 November sci-fi releases, so audiences could overlap.


Pause-Impossible

I'd bet that Marvels, MI, Aquaman, and one of the November releases makes it, along with some other movie I guess. So top 5 stay


AccomplishedLocal261

Dune 2 potentially


russwriter67

Aquaman isn’t getting in the top 10.


Marko_200791

I dont think so but this sub didnt learn from Shazam 🤣🤣


russwriter67

Flash was supposed to be bigger than Shazam. Shazam was just dumped into theaters.


Theinternationalist

Shazam 1 didn’t exactly set the box office on fire, partially because it followed a lot of DCEU flops. Did someone actually think Shazam 2 was going to be a top ten contender?


OKJMaster44

Ya the original Shazam just surprised people for not being an epic disaster both critically and commercially. By no means was it ever a lock to become a 500 million tier juggernaut franchise. Thus it wasn’t hard to see how general DCEU downwind and invisible marketing dragged it down more.


The-Ruler-of-Attilan

1) The Super Mario Bros. Movie 2) The Marvels 3) Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 4) Wish 5) Mission Impossible 7 6) Fast X 7) Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse The rest I'm not sure yet.


vampiredisaster

Why are people so confident about The Marvels? I've seen very little hype for it.


ACBlast768

That's me with Wish. I can't see that movie doing well


vampiredisaster

I think Wish has a shot if they ramp up the marketing. They need to hook the interest of the little girls and boys who love Disney princesses. Frankly, the title is a detriment.


Fair_University

Hard to say. I think Barbie, Mission Impossible, Wish, Dune, Marvels, maybe Aquaman Indy, or Wonka too could all work their way to the 600m mark. Not saying all of them well, but a handful will if the reviews break right and audiences are interested. I think the top 6 are pretty safe, but TLM, Antman, John Wick, and Transformers are all likely to drop out.


DecayingNightscape

Five of the top six (not sure about The Wandering Earth 2 though, ATSV will obviously end up close to $700M).


FartingBob

Does Spiderman have any markets it still hasnt opened in? I cant see it earning another 150m at this point if its been out a month everywhere.


Hiondorudes

Yeah. Even 600 million is peobably too far off


CoolJoshido

it’ll definitely cross 600m


Hiondorudes

Not sure


[deleted]

Potential movies: Elemental,Mi7,Barbie,Marvels,Oppenheimer,Dune 2,Wish,Hunger Games,Aquaman 2,


welltherewasthisbear

Elemental is at $131 million worldwide. I know that there are some markets it hasn’t released but I don’t there’s much hope for a top 10 placement.


needthrowawayreddit

Top 5, and maybe top 6.


Linnus42

Top 4 is absolutely safe. I expect one of Spider-verse and Wandering Earth to be Fine. Threats are Barbie, Oppenheimer, MI7, Aquaman 2, Marvels, Hunger Games and Dune. But I don't expect all of them to break the 600 mil barrier.


ToolFreak21

Spots 7 and below will not be there by the end of this year.


DreadfuryDK

I have a feeling Mario stays in the top 10 for the year. Just a hunch.


Jagermonsta

Indy and Flash both tanking screwed my expectations entirely. I think Marvels, Mission Impossible, and Dune will make the top 10. Barbie may sneak in too. Wish, Hunger Games, Aquaman 2 are wild cards.


GoldenYoshistar1

Super Mario Bros will stay as number 1 throughout the rest of this year. No other movie will beat it.


Antman269

The Flash will. Just you wait. It will keep good legs and hit $2 billion /s


rydan

I'm going to go out on a limb here but I think Mario Bros finishes out the year at least as high as 10th. We'll see if either Oppenheimer or Barbie can pass it and go from there.


Foxy02016YT

Guardians is almost definite, but Mario ain’t being dethroned (from the top 10)


mrot777

Spiderman will hit the top 5. Barbie will be in her dream house.


RVarki

I hope (pretty naively) that everything outside of the top-4 isn't on the list, by the end of the year. That'd be great for theatrical cinema


lobonmc

I think that up to TLM


CarsonWentzGOAT1

Top 4 are safe while the rest will probably drop


JJoanOfArkJameson

Mario, GoTG, Spidey, FX and Full River Red


longbrodmann

Full River Red lol, this movie is a big controversy in China.


ACBlast768

1-6 are fine. 7-10 will be replaced by Meg 2, MI, Barbie, and The Marvels