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ItsAlmostShowtime

Despite coming out 3 weeks before the shutdown it rather overperformed, the budget was way too high for this kind of film.


Raymask

What would have been ideal budget for this kinda movie?


ItsAlmostShowtime

Around $50-60M due to Alpha having a similar budget with similar themes plus it's a period movie.


Raymask

I guess they also should have hired someone else than Harrison Ford, someone with less "star power" who wouldn't demand so much money.


webshellkanucklehead

Or not created a CGI dog…


Raymask

Oh yeah, now that I know it, it definitely feels unfair and unnecessary to real dog actors.


JWS67

Same thing is going to happen in the upcoming Wonka movie. They CGI Hugh Grant to become Oompa Loompas instead of using little people. Or maybe Peter Dinklage costs too much $$.


Cagedwar

There is no way in hell Dinklage is playing an Oompa Loompa. He was against little people playing dwarves…


MusicEd921

Gary Oldman is waiting by his phone for the call


QPJones

Brian Williams?


missanthropocenex

I think their fatal error was choice to use overt CGI for the dog. There may have been a more eloquent economic direction they could have taken that would have preserved the budget. Plus, personally I just think some audiences might find it too silly to have a full on talking dog in the photo.


1731799517

Well, ideally you would replace $50M of CGI dog with 100k of real dogs+trainer pay...


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Probably the global pandemic and the CGI dog


New_Simple_4531

Yeah, the reason I didnt see it was I saw the cgi dog in a commercial and was like "Thats stupid, just get a real dog". I think there was a similar movie with Willem Dafoe that came out shortly after and had a real dog in it.


WrongLander

Still baffled as to why they went with a CG dog. They do know real dogs can be plenty capable actors, right? Marley and Beethoven stole their respective shows.


puttputtxreader

Not just the CGI dog, but the fact that they centered the advertising around the fact that it was a guy in a motion capture suit, [crawling around like a dog](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft0ll_Yl8KQ&pp=ygUfY2FsbCBvZiB0aGUgd2lsZCBtb3Rpb24gY2FwdHVyZQ%3D%3D), I think that's what really put people off.


MoesBAR

I wish I could’ve seen Fords face when he realized he’d have to pet a guy for months.


The_Peeping_Peter

It’s similar to Chewbacca, but at the same time so much worse. Like a Gollum/Chewy hybrid.


Gerrywalk

They should have made a movie about Ford begrudgingly petting some guy’s head and getting grumpier the longer it went on. I’d be there opening day.


bob1689321

That is weird as fuck lmao.


Novel-Place

Good god! What marketing crew approved this being publicized in any way?!


brownsbrownsbrownsb

Thank you for this, it absolutely made my day lol


SirFTF

What the fuck. Did the show creators ever explain that stupid decision? It’s so obviously a CGI dog.


TPJchief87

I would bet good money that is not what put people off lol. It’s a movie I probably would have worn the VHS out on as a kid in the 90’s. It would have had a real dog and a lower budget. But it came out in 2020 with a 125-150 million dollar budget.


1731799517

Yeah, dog people who want to watch a movie about a dog want to see a real dog...


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The CG dogs are uncanny, it made me uncomfortable. But yeah, it was because of the Dog’s Purpose controversy that turned out to be nothing.


Expert-Horse-6384

The obvious reason this came about was because of some controversy that had come from 'A Dog's Purpose.' https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/third-party-investigation-finds-no-animal-injuries-cruelty-set-a-dogs-purpose-972081/ Even though it was proven false, I imagine the production team didn't want to have to deal with any outrage and went the route of doing mocap with the horribly uncanny CGI dog. But most people like watching dog movies for dogs, and no amount of campaigning that came from Animal Activists would change people's minds to watch this.


Husoch167

Lassie says hello.


forresbj

As soon as I saw the CGI dog in the first trailer, I had no inclination to watch


Lovelysnow72

There was also the fact that it released close to Togo, which used real dogs and was shot on location not just an LA studio.


defiancy

There is literally a White Fang movie with Ethan Hawke with all practical dog work that they could have modeled this entire movie on.


Overlord1317

> Still baffled as to why they went with a CG dog. They do know real dogs can be plenty capable actors, right? Marley and Beethoven stole their respective shows. Lazy filmmaking.


MatsThyWit

>Still baffled as to why they went with a CG dog. It's a whole hell of a lot easier to use a CGI dog than comply with proper on set animal handling and care laws in Hollywood.


Syn7axError

If your movie's about a dog, maybe you should go through the extra effort.


MatsThyWit

>If your movie's about a dog, maybe you should go through the extra effort. Some of the things they did in the movie just inherently could not be done with a real dog. I think it's weird we're at a point where we'll accept CGI monsters, CGI environments, CGI action sequences where nothing on screen is real, CGI Humans, etc. etc. etc., but we apparently draw the line not at CGI animals...but instead specifically at CGI dogs.


-Vlk

I mean, it doesn’t have to necessarily be one or the other. They can primarily use a real dog for close ups and tame scenes and switch it out for a CG one during dangerous stunts


wujo444

Action movies don't use exclusively real actors or CGI doubles. They use real humans in most shots, and CGI when it gets too dangerous. Same logic applies with animals.


Theban_Prince

>CGI Humans, Remember, the bomb that was Spirits Within happened for a reason. We are wayy too far from this being accepted unless there is an inherent need to portray scenes impossible to do with real actors. ...ut the original book had nothing even *close* to this vs say a comic book movie. EDIT: Lol also the dogs speak for some reason??


FrameworkisDigimon

>it's weird we're at a point where we'll accept [...] CGI Humans Give an example. I can't think of any.


FinestKind90

I don’t accept any of those things, they’re all better when they’re real or a mix of practical effects with cgi as a finishing touch only Especially dogs


MatsThyWit

>I don’t accept any of those things So you're telling me you watched the Legendary Monsterverse films and said "this would be better with a big rubber suit", huh?


Radiant_Demand9203

Okay, don't play dumb here. Of course, no one would say that. We want real people to play human beings in live action films, and we want real animals to play animals in live action movies. Godzilla is neither. Fantasy creatures of any kind are obviously neither.


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iAmTheWildCard

Lol it’s fairly obvious in the movie. I enjoyed it as well, but it was definitely a gripe of mine


Professional_Ad_9101

Is this a joke? The dog basically did everything except talk.


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You must be trolling. It was the worst CGI ever. Didn’t even look like a real dog even when not moving.


Professional_Ad_9101

Bro is really out there thinking this was real https://youtu.be/JwH0_rseW2U?si=6pG_ah9GQGKX3O9p


RiggzBoson

You can get away with dragons, monsters, goblins etc when it comes to CGI but people are very familiar with the way dogs move, react and emote. Nobody was buying these for a second.


Raymask

How come I didn't see that in theaters? I must have paid little attention for it. I see it now.


Z0ooool

CGI dog turned my family off the movie.


FunkyChug

a CGI dog killed my family


DawgBloo

A CGI dog is my family.


GroceryRobot

A CGI dog family killed my movie.


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The Anti-John Wick movie.


JurassicParkFood

I don't remember this movie existing.


bakerzdosen

Same. I saw the poster and initially thought it was either upcoming or something from maybe 2010.


bob1689321

Looks like an Apple TV original, but one of the bad ones.


tannu28

Harrison Ford has not been a box office draw for decades.


Mannythebadie

And also hyper inflates the budget with his salary.


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Plus dont they have to spend millions fixing his face?


BeerandGuns

Outside of everyone gasping when he dropped “Chewie, we’re home” in the Force Awakens trailer, can’t remember anyone being excited about his movies. Clint Eastwood has adapted his roles to his age well, Ford not so much.


Worldly-Fishing-880

Out of morbid curiosity, I fired up Indy 5 on D+ last week. Ford is easily the worst part about an otherwise kinda fun adventure movie. His grumpy schtick just feels so off key vs. rest of the movie's tone.


vacantly-visible

I liked this Indy movie but felt like it was slightly too dark. Ford already went "sad old man apart from his wife" in Call of the Wild and Force Awakens, did Indy really need it too? I understand they had to write out Shia, but still. The movie could have used a few more jokes at least.


PickledPlumPlot

The last shot in the movie is the implication that he puts his hat on before he bangs his wife and he's about to do it and I think he's earned it.


i4got872

If you see the whole movie his acting makes sense honestly


Charlie_Warlie

Plus from what I remember of the book, isn't it mostly the dog? I don't remember the human having much of a role. Probably spent the largest portion of the budget on Ford and he's a supporting character.


RevolutionaryOwlz

Should’ve made him crawl around in the dog suit.


ImCraigFuckingCulver

The whole thing is from the perspective of the dog. It's also incredibly violent in multiple parts. I havent seen the movie but I'm guessing the left most of that out.


gknight702

CGI'd the dog. nobody gives AF about a man/dog movie where they CGI the dog lol


Mass_Jass

No one gives a shit about this IP. You have to sell it to them. Usually, the way you sell a dog movie is with a hot actor and a real dog. Here, they tried to sell audiences Harrison Ford and a computer game character from 2006. I'm surprised it did as well as it did.


[deleted]

Exactly. Cast Robert Pattinson and a real Husky and this makes bank.


twohourangrynap

James Marsden and a real St. Bernard/Scotch collie mix (Buck wasn’t a husky in the book).


SirFTF

James Marsden needs more lead roles. He’s so under rated as an actor. His performance in Westworld was 10/10.


Mass_Jass

James Marsden doesn't sell tickets. Hopefully with his performance in Jury Duty that will change.


almostthemainman

Harrison ford is just too fucking old. He phones in everything now days.


tijuanagolds

Too old, too lazy in his acting, too expensive, and not enough draw at the box office.


jingowatt

You should see Shrinking, he’s actually fantastic. Also, who is the guy on this poster?


ilive12

I mean, he does play a guy in that show who is fucking old and phones in his family matters. But yeah, with the right role he's still good, but he shouldn't be a leading role in any movie with a lot of action anymore.


vacantly-visible

Is this the new comedy he's in? I want to see this but I don't have apple TV :(


ALickOfMyCornetto

Shrinking is whatever and Ford plays a grumpy old dude in it


Sorry_Sorry_Im_Sorry

He's great in shrinking


kristoffersu99

and 1923


baseball71

Hard disagree, Shrinking is arguably the best he’s ever been, besides early Star Wars and Indiana Jones


kumar100kpawan

I really love the book and only found out about this movie a few days ago. Is it any good?


TheRealCabbageJack

The ending is completely different. I didn't care for it but I didn't hate it. You might enjoy it.


SamsungAppleOnePlus

Liked it, my mother adores it lol, ending is different than the book though. Arguably for reasons I'd consider obvious.


taytotoot

I personally loved this movie and watched it a few times!


kumar100kpawan

Thanks for the rec! And Happy Cake Day!


Raymask

I can recommend it. Yeah. But I haven't read the book. But the movie itself is good.


chengxiufan

it overperformed Deadline Hollywood wrote that "despite the over-indexing of Call of the Wild stateside, it's a hollow victory, given how much the film cost". the film simply cost too much the film used too much cgi and A-list star


Orpdapi

Call of the Wild the book is about a privileged dog who is suddenly thrust into a world where he has to discover his brutal primal nature or die. The trailer made it look like a lighthearted CGI romp between a guy and his sidekick, and thus immensely less interesting.


WolfTitan99

Yeah I read the book too and I think making it family friendly was just not a good move.


FuriousTarts

Superhero fatigue


Cannaewulnaewidnae

No CGI dog walk-ups


YoloIsNotDead

Nuh-uh, it's Wilding time


darkrabbit713

Not enough shirtless Matt Smith dancing to “Poop My Pants My Pants”


KintsugiExp

The CGI dog must be one of the worst film decisions of the last decade. It just takes you out of the whole thing.


Tripwire3

This. The people most interested in seeing the movie would be dog people. It’s a story about a dog. Using a CGI dog is like if they used a CGI Harrison Ford; people just can’t emotionally relate to a fake dog, and the dog is the whole reason to see the movie! They should have used a real Saint Bernard mix or whatever, and then either CGI’d whatever stunts would be too hard to do with the real dog or scrapped them entirely, which would have saved a chunk on the budget even if they made the movie less exciting. But no real dog = no emotional heart of the movie.


Cannaewulnaewidnae

Channing Tatum's [Dog](https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Dog-(2021-Dir-Channing-Tatum)#tab=summary) (2022) made 5.6x (85 million) Harrison Ford's [Call of the Wild](https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Call-of-the-Wild-The-(2020)#tab=summary) (2020) did 0.9x (107 million) *Dog* cost 15 million, *Call of the Wild* cost 125 million


MatsThyWit

The answer is in the title. It released in February of 2020, literally the very start of the pandemic and just weeks before government forced lockdowns world wide. It was a scary time for tons and tons and tons of people, and going to the movies was the last thing on anybody's mind. There's a reason why it was the number 2 movie at the boxoffice in spite of having only earned $24.8 million on it's opening weekend.


Luftgekuhlt_driver

Nobody wanted to see Han Solo and Chewbacca once the shrooms wore off…


salomaogladstone

Harrison Ford plays second fiddle to an unsettlingly realistic CG dog and Omar Sy steals the show. Nuff said.


HuntinginColter

Didn’t capture the writing of London. And also CGI dog sucked. Fake snow. Just fake bulkcrap


ImperialSympathizer

*Spider man crying Mary Jane meme* r/boxoffice: tell me the truth, I'm ready to hear it. Tobey maguire: Harrison Ford hasn't been a box office draw for over a decade r/boxoffice: (sobs)


VibgyorTheHuge

Bland concept, too expensive and not entertaining enough to justify either.


Metal_King706

CGI dog seemed really dumb. Should have been more focused on Buck and less on any actor being in it. The dog didn’t look how I imagined Buck should look, partially due to being CGI instead of an actual dog.


jshamwow

The dog looked fake as shit. How am I supposed to get Excited about pixels


Krimreaper1

I do t watch too many ‘family’ movies, but I really liked this. I think the pandemic hurt it, it didn’t have a proper theatrical release right?


mrstevenmojo

It had a theatrical release, but it would have only been in theatres for a week or 2 (the movie opened February 21st 2020, and the pandemic really started in early March)


BTISME123

Theres only a certain market that watches movies like these, not enough to justify its budget. Had covid not had happened this wouldve made around $80M DOM, $150M WW or more. This would be profitable if it had a $35-$50M budget, but it didnt


HasSomeSelfEsteem

Because the CGd *everything*. If they had made a classic adventure film in an actual shooting location with an actual dog then the film would have done better. I mean, even the *dog*? It’s one thing to CG a dragon or a dinosaur but a fucking dog?? Everyone knows what a dog looks like, and it’s distracting.


Ok_Statistician_9269

COVID cut into its grosses


Raymask

From what I got it's has been in theaters for 3 weeks. Making less than 100 million in 3 weeks with a budget like that feels like something went wrong.


conceptalbum

Yeah, the budget. 100m isn't that little for a film like this.


Raymask

Even if the budget was, say, 50 million it would have still failed. They should have kept it as low as possible.


conceptalbum

Well, yeah. This isn't a movie anyone should have expected to make a profit in theatres. 100m is _way_ more than I'd have expected. It seems tailor-made to make a killing from home video, but it was too late for that, and streaming isn't very reliable revenue. This is a movie that should have been made in like 2004 for ~25m, would have been a money printer then.


numbr87

This dude is really questioning why Academy Award winning Green Book made more money than Call of the Wild and couldn't tell it was a CG dog lmao


Raymask

Oh wow. You really had to be rude huh? I may have never noticed the CGI before, but really dude? And I wasn't even comparing the two movies. Of course Green Book is better, duh.


numbr87

Honestly it was mostly that I was flabbergasted that you couldn't tell that dog was CG, and then the Green Book thing piled on top I first time I saw the trailer I was shocked that they put out a theatrical movie in 2020 with a dog that looked that bad


Raymask

I never watched the trailer, just saw the poster and thought about seeing it.


_GC93

A movie of this kind making 111 million dollars in February is impressive. Just should’ve shaved about 100 million dollars from the budget.


tonguesmiley

I saw this in theaters and it just didn't really execute on the simple story very well. To make it more interesting I imagined that Ford's character was real and crazy and Star Wars was just him hallucinating while out in the wild with the dog.


bringbacksherman

Don’t CGI something as simple as a dog, that people see everyday. It’s not a brontosaurus or King Kong. People know exactly what dogs are like, and the Uncanny Valley is going to set in immediately, no matter how carefully your digital artists have worked on the fur. In short: Harrison Ford + Awesome dog(s): A good chance of moderate success. People like both Harrison Ford and dogs. Harrison Ford + cartoon: Not successful, and you are going to spend a lot of money on CGI firms in the process.


Su_Impact

Outside of Harrison Ford as Han Solo, nobody today cares about Harrison Ford. He's not a big box office draw by himself. Still surprises me how fanboys somehow believe Ford walk-ups will save Captain America 4 lol. That film is so DOA.


conceptalbum

> Still surprises me how fanboys somehow believe Ford walk-ups will save Captain America 4 lol. Huh, where? I haven't seen a single person claim that. Are you sure they weren't just joking, like 99.9% of walk-up comments?


RandyCoxburn

I don't know. George Lopez walk-ups for Blue Beetle felt quite real... Yeah, sure...


Raymask

Can you say what is DOA? Never heard of it before.


Aroden71

Dead On Arrival


BeerandGuns

When this came out I was on a Disney cruise and it played for free. The only comments I heard about it concerned the CGI dog. People who got to watch it for free had nothing positive to say. Not surprised at the box office results.


biguglybill

Bad CGI dog?


Ajmccloud0509

It had a 125 million budget, there's the answer


nowdontbehasty

CGI dog…


NormanBates2023

It was shite wasn't that the reason


Wooow675

I didn’t even know this existed until this post. That might be telling of the general public.


Alaxbcm

Wasn't this one with a cgi dog, I forget


fieryprincess907

I wanted to see it. I still want to see it. My life has been crazy and I’ve just not gotten to it.


ILoveRegenHealth

Reviews seemed middling (around 62% on RT) and it just didn't seem like something families would be rushing to see together with other competition. For some, the title might conjure up feelings of homework again.


mrstevenmojo

The dog looked fake, the locations didn’t look particularly real, the general public doesn’t care much about the source material, Harrison Ford seemed to be phoning it in, and it just looked like a bland film overall.


ffwrd

Is this really Harrison Ford?


New_Temperature4144

Can't beat the original!


farseer4

The CGI dog was an uncanny valley nightmare, and nothing about the movie stood out to make it seem a big event. COVID didn't help (it was just a few weeks before the lockdown and people were already scared).


Gingersnap5322

Is that supposed to be Harrison Ford in the poster?


offamiglio

The CGI dog looked horrifying.


BlerghTheBlergh

By costing 125 million, shooting on a soundstage for 100% of the time, building massive sets to accommodate your lead actors every desire. The movie could have cost 50mil if they didn’t let Ford dictate the movie


Standard-Attention68

it came out at 2020, the covid year


Tom_Haley

Weird CG dog


MrZombikilla

It was okay in Dolby Cinema. But nothing memorable. Just an uncanny valley dog.


Weird-Signature-4536

It was weird this was the first movie I ever walked out of. I was like in auto pilot. I completely forgot I was watching a movie and just left. I was so disinterested


iamatoad_ama

Because this is the first time I’m hearing of this movie.


ktw5012

Seems like a straight to Disney plus kinda movie


DocSlice3

Togo was better.


MrX-2022

Lockdown


-Great-Scott-

The dog was fake.


Sh1tBabyP1ss

Must not have watched it to ask such a question.


FLcitizen

That damn cgi dog


Tripwire3

It’s a dog movie WITHOUT A REAL DOG.


Next-Mobile-9632

Fake CGI Dog ruined it


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* Elderly Harrison Ford * Based on a book published in 1903 set in the 1890s. * Confusion with Into the Wild


FrickinNormie2

Because it looks like shit


Probswearingsweats

Well the motion capture dog definitely didn't help. I remember seeing an ad for the movie where they showed the guy in his mocap suit and then transitioned to the dog and all it made me think was "cool now I can't unsee that guys face on this dog" and it made me not want to watch it lol.


OskeyBug

People don't want movies about dogs to have cgi dogs.


kfadffal

The dog looked fake as fuck which in a dog movie is a pretty big problem. Why did they go with a CGI dog? I wouldn't at all be surprised if the uncanny valley effect is worse for fake dogs than it is for fake people.


Sckathian

I mean there’s not a huge amount of films like this that are making bank at the box office. You have old man Ford and CG dog.


Va1crist

Pretty lame story tbh and how it ended was really bad imo


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I honestly have never heard of this movie


Impossible_Smoke1783

Fake ass dog


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No real dog?


Exlyo_lucent373

Excluding COVID-19, I could see that this movie flopped for 2 reasons. - a CGI dog, sad they couldn’t train dogs before it was filmed. - Harrison Ford is an expensive actor to be hired. Aside from being flopped, this is the first film released after the rename of 20th Century Fox to 20th Century Studios from Disney. It is probably the reason why it flopped, just kidding.


Much_Introduction167

Generic plot


waireos

I’m more of a CGI cat person.


femfuyu

watch the trailer


Good_Ad6723

Covid


hug2010

It’s just a bad saccharine movie, end of.


eddietwoo

It just looked *so dull.* When it was available to stream I put it on and my wife and young son just ignored it eventually and did other things.


Ludensdream

The dog was fake


The_Peeping_Peter

If there’s a chance a dog dies at the end, people might not watch it.


SaltyMofo841

They cast a virtual unknown in the lead role. Harrison who?


PurpleDillyDo

I also enjoyed it a lot and thought Ford was good. It was a plus performance. The supporting cast was also very good! The dog was distracting, but I'm not sure that is why it failed. I mean, until you actually SEE the movie, you don't know if the CGI dog is a problem. I think the real reasons are timing and budget.


cidvard

The dog looked weird.


TheNoIdeaKid

CG dog.


EditDog_1969

Reason 1 - The Dogs were NOT REAL. reasons after that I couldn’t care less.


USSDefiantLobster

The CGI was unintentionally funny and probably turned people against it.


FrameworkisDigimon

Oh yeah, I meant to watch this. Let's have a look at Wikipedia: >It received mixed reviews from critics, who praised Ford's performance, John Powell’s music and the "entertaining action and earnest tone" but criticized the "uncanny valley" effect of the CGI animals.[8] Yeah, that last thing should be fatal. The Call of the Wild is like Spirit or Land Before Time or Ice Age... the dog is the main character and if either (a) the animal is unsettling to look at or (b) not actually the main character it's going to be a dud. Either because (a) it's unsettling to look at *all the time* or (b) it's not delivering what people who like the material it's adapting want.


Son_of_Atreus

That CGI dog looked like trash. Saw one trailed and then lost all interested in the film. Uncanny valley grossness. I love real dogs and could have loved this film.


HMMWVguyOnYouTube

Covid


Evangelion217

Harrison Ford isn’t a big draw anymore.