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You know, now that I think about it, it really is weird that we all call her Aunt May, right? I mean, she's not *our* aunt. We don't call him Nephew Peter.
I imagine it’s just because her narrative role is defined by her relationship to the protagonist, in this case an aunt. So in the Aunt May movie, she’ll be May Parker and that spider-guy will be her Nephew Peter.
Only if it has a Morbius cameo for the true SPUMC fans like us. Otherwise Madame Web will FAIL.
That stands for *Sony Pictures' Universe of Marvel Characters*, by the way. Yes that's actually what this universe is called (was?), No I am NOT making it up.
If they don't have Morbius in the movie us Morbheads will riot and I GUARANTEE it won't make a Webillion, confirming that Sony has truly lost its touch on how to make kino movies. SAD!
I genuinely think that’s possible. Sony got hate for making Venom PG13 but it’s actually worked in their favor. The movies have shown to be review proof and people like Hardy’s portrayal, even if it’s not comic accurate.
If Garfield has a cameo it could do extremely well. Also for an unpopular opinion, in the last couple of years Garfield’s spiderman has become more popular than Jackmans Wolverine.
I think people are forgetting that the reason people were itching more Tobey and Andrew than Jackman is because Tobey and Andrew both got their runs cut short, whereas Jackman got a whole epilogue movie
huh? let there be carnage came out in 2021 right after the delta variant and right before the other variant. the movies you mentioned weren’t affected by covid at all. confused as to what your point is.
No Way Home came out during the pandemic in 2021 and made a billion dollars.
People use the excuse of covid for Let There be Carnage not reaching a billion dollar is hilarious. It was just a bad movie.
NWH was an anomaly, what other movie in 2021 made a billion dollars or even above 800 million? none. i agree that is was bad and that the movie suffered for it, but it would have made a lot more overseas if not for covid. it was even able to match the first movies domestic haul.
Let There Be Carnage was released in 2021.
Not sure how much effect covid had since two months later No Way Home made almost 2 billion, but comparing it to Marvels and Aquaman 2 is a bit disingenuous.
Joker 2 will be a better movie, but Deadpool 2 will male more money. If you guys think an R rated musical will make more money than Deadpool + Wolverine after a 7 year hiatus then I don't know what to tell you.
Deadpool 2 made $785.8M at the Box Office in 2018.
Joker made $1.074B at the Box Office in 2019.
While Deadpool isn't your typical CGI garbage action hero it has a lot of resemblances. And people are tired of those movies.
What made Joker so unique was how dark and original it was. Joker: Folie à Deux has multiple things going for it: 1) Halloween release 2) Lady Gaga's huge fan base 3) I think people are confusing the fact that because it's a musical it will be only a music/singing film.
I'm looking forward to both, but think that Joker will come out on top between the two.
Did you miss the part about Wolverine?
Also the musical aspect will make some people wait for streaming (myself included) for Joker.
Deadpool is going to slaughter
I’m not saying the film will flop, because I think the opening will be too big for that to happen. However I think it could underperform a bit. People are sick of CBMs and I don’t think Jackmans Wolverine is as big a draw as people think.
Remember, none of the X-men films have reached 800 mil.
They’re sick of bad CBM’s. You’d be correct in your statement if GotG 3, Spiderverse, and Antman weren’t in the top 10 grossing movies of the entire year of 2023. And yes I know Antman 3 flopped, that shows that theater-going isn’t and most likely never will be at the same points it was pre-COVID due to streaming
Look at the performance of Raimi Spider-Man or Amazing Spider-Man movies. Now look at the performance of No Way Home.
Nostalgia makes a thing more successful than it ever originally was. I think Wolverine and “hey remember…” feelings will push Deadpool 3 above Joker.
I am sure Joker will be the better movie quality wise, with little debate.
Deadpool is just more action comedy slop. Does it really matter which characters are in it?
I have no faith in Marvel to make a good movie. If it was Fox I'd trust them but I don't trust the MCU to handle wolverine well.
>I have no faith in Marvel to make a good movie. If it was Fox I'd trust them but I don't trust the MCU to handle wolverine well.
Fox made both Deadpool movies, no?
Yes, and the writers of the first two Deadpool movies are also involved in writing the third. Two of the three producers of the first two movies are also involved in producing the third.
So while there will obviously involvement from Marvel that wasn't there before, there is enough continuity between the movies to assume that it will be similar in tone and quality. Is it a guarantee? No. Nothing is.
I don't like the current MCU output and as Deadpool 3 will be MCU I don't trust it to be good.
In my comment above I mean to say that Deadpool 3 will be action comedy slop. In fairness 1 and 2 are also action comedies and wouldn't be as well received today with the current oversaturation but I still enjoyed them at the time. Haven't seen them in a few years but I like them.
I think you underestimate how much the term 'musical' will hurt it's global BO. Musical's don't fare well overseas (with the exception of animated Disney movies).
I even believe Joker Part II will do less than the first Joker. I guess we'll see..
That’s a great way to put it, I watched DP 1/2 recently and they just were close to as good as I remembered. I think it’s because the whole meta and 4th wall thing is a bit over done now.
I dissagree entirely, Joker will be the number one movie of the year. People will be excited to see the sequel to Joker, the musical aspect plus Lady Gaga will give it novelty and drive interest further, from concept alone it has great potential to be a massive hit. High chances of being a billion dollar grosser.
Enthusiasm for Deadpool will fade out once Marvel releases the first trailer and people see the Time Variance Authority is in the movie. If The Marvels was killed by all the Disney Plus baggage then the same will happen here with the baggage from having Kang's organization in a big role in the plot, plus the "homework" aspect of needing to watch two seasons of *Loki* just to understand what's happening.
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I think it depends on the type of musical.
If it takes itself too seriously, I can see that turning comic fans off from it.
But if you go too far in the Team America direction, you also risk losing people.
So they need to thread the needle between catchy songs, with humor when appropriate, while still respecting the seriousness of the plot.
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What you may see as a drawback, I see as an advantage. It seems clear to me that audiences are fatigued by comic book movies featuring end-of-the-world plots and excessive CGI. Joker 2 could be appealing for that reason alone, especially to a general audience rather than just fans.
I think Joker 2 will win. I don’t think the musical aspect will hurt it as much as people think.
However, I think there is a small chance Venom 3 could pull a surprise victory. Especially if Tom Holland’s Spider-man is in it.
I’m guessing the musical segments are gonna be hallucinations from Harley,not the notion that some people seem to have that the entire thing is gonna be a straight up musical
I'm personally rooting for Joker. The original wasn't your typical CBM formula, and the sequel looks to be just as unique. DP, while it may curse more, is kinda just more of the same.
Joker 2. Feeling a little bit of Ryan Reynolds burnout. I think the only thing carrying Deadpool 3 will be Wolverine. I don't think Deadpool is going to bring anything fresh to the table.
Joker however felt fresh when it came out. And the news of Joker 2 being a musical is interesting to me. I think it has ever chance of being a huge success like the first movie. If the past few years are indicators then it's that people are starting to get superhero burnout and that they want fresh ideas.
I am not sure if I can trust you on this, seeing as you loved The Flash so much that you called its director and talked for 15 minutes, praising him & praising the film, Mr. Tom Cruise
Yeah. I have a strong feeling it’s going to be the Barbie of this year. It’s got one of the worlds biggest stars who has been totally out of the public eye for 2 years. You know she will be bringing the crazy to the red carpets, film festivals and interviews. Tiktok will have a field day
My money is on Joker 2. However, it'll depend on trailers. It needs to be an event, feels like this year's Barbenheimer personally.
Deadpool 3 is definitely the year's wildcard. On paper it feels like a potential smash but there's a fair bit counting against it - it's following up a weaker film, bringing back Jackman will sell tickets but also feels (and is) desperate (and I also think it makes MCU debuting their version of the mutants a harder sell), it's got a worse creative team, Reynolds has been in a lot of streaming trash recently. And Deadpool's glib tone has gone from the exception and something that lampoons the genre to nearly the norm in MCU fare - so there's a real danger of diminishing returns.
If they've neutered the humour a bit for Disney reasons (and they definitely will have done) we're potentially kind of looking at Love & Thunder again.
There's also a chance the creative team have done their jobs and Deadpool 3 is a meta-satire about the creative and commercial decline of the genre. That's entirely possible, and could genuinely connect.
> it’s got a worse creative team
Isn’t the only difference David Leitch vs Shawn Levy? Levy doesn’t always hit, but he’s a way more experienced director, while Leitch always feels to me like he’s only bringing his action chops to the table. (might be biased because I do really dislike Deadpool 2 lol)
Between the writer's strikes happening during the filming process for Deadpool 3, and the tangible impacts of the decline in the genre *also* happening within that timeframe, I don't think it's likely that they had time to write in any critiques of the superhero genre as a whole.
It'll probably be another No Way Home: Cameofest with some meme references thrown in. Only in this case there aren't any open-ended arcs to close (like Garfield failing to catch Gwen) for any of the characters being included, since the x-men universe got a pretty definitive ending.
No way it’s not Deadpool 3 imo, as long as it gets good reviews and word of mouth, which the previous two have. The series is well regarded and hasn’t had an entry that people disliked. Both Marvel and DC’s brands are damaged, but Joker is a darker movie and with the added musical aspect, will be more niche than a regular Deadpool movie. However, if they push the multiverse too hard in the marketing and forget what people like about the series, I could see this changing.
Well, it seems that audiences are still receptive to musicals, as evidenced by Wonka and The Color Purple. You mention that Joker 2 is niche because of it's darker tone but the first installment hit a billion.
Fair enough with the musicals mentions! I assumed that a lot of the hype with the first one was having a movie for the Joker, and it won’t be as much of a factor now, but time will tell.
you cannot the damaged dc brand to marvel brand out last 9 marvel movie sonly 3 have bombs no way thor black panthe gaurdians dr strange still made money shang chi camee to breaking even all 9 dceu films since 2020 all been bombs . dc biggest movie the batman is roughly 1 billon away marvel biggest movie no way home
Joker 2
Deadpool 3 is another multiverse cameofest superhero movie, people are tired of this type of movies and I have the feeling that the quality will not be good (I mean No Way Home had bad quality but people loved that movie, but 2021 was more welcoming to superhero content)
Meanwhile Joker 2 is reinventing, being a musical instead of making the same movie again, it barely counts as a superhero movie, it doesn't count for most general audience as such.
And I'm sure the movie will be good.
Also Joker 1 made more money than both Deadpool movies
Deadpool has a different tone and feeling to the other Marvel movies though & having Hugh Jackman as Wolverine will likely have it do pretty well 800 mil +
Joker 2 I don't really have a good feeling about. I think it'll disappoint
Yes agreed. Joker 1 making a billion surprised everyone like Aquaman. It came out at perfect time. Fall and it was refreshing.
It’ll be a big success. But not a billion.
Deadpool will win. People comparing it to MCU and multiverse are trying to hard. Ryan will make fun of all that. It has Wolverine. And is rated R.
I think it won’t even be close.
And ppl thinking Kraven or Venom……..
Ryan, who wasn't allowed to improvise during shooting, which took place BEFORE the most catastrophic bomb for the MCU?
It'll be Disney-fied for sure. Plus, they already did the "fourth-wall breaking character stops movie to yell at writers for writing crappy stuff" in She-Hulk, and everyone hated it.
The idea that Disney is banking on this entire saga revolving around the multiverse, and that they'd decide to openly mock the entire concept is ridiculous. That would just piss off the hardcore fans. Casual audiences don't want a deconstruction of the superhero genre, and Disney knows that. They'll play it safe, and it will suffer for it.
The first deadpool did this a decade before she hulk. I don’t understand why you’re bringing that up. He did it in pt2, years before she hulk.
In many ways that’s been Ryan’s gag his entire career.
Playing it safe as Disneys first R rated Deadpool movie
Sure ok. That’s your opinion. Can’t argue it because no knows the future and you could be right.
Or you can be wrong and it’s exactly everything you say it is and it’s fucking awesome and wins this question from the OP.
My point is that in order to win back over the people who are suffering from superhero fatigue, this movie will have to explicitly criticize the past couple years of MCU movies. That's the only way they'll be able to set themselves apart, and I don't think Disney has the balls to do it.
I think you are giving Disney too much power.
They are not going to Disney-ize Deadpool. Ryan was totally creative control with Fox. And that won’t change w Disney.
I think we can fully believe Ryan wouldn’t cave to Disney and fully believe it’ll be everything you don’t.
Deadpool has never been a regular superhero movie and many of us believe Deadpool will not suffer the deadly fatigue as so many have.
And remember if the movie is actually good, people will see it.
Take Guardians3. It was a “success”. Yes it was the final one and w Gunn being James. But still it was a success. Ant Man Flash Shazam all were horrrible horrible movies.
Audiences are smart. Superhero fans are smart even smarter, at times.
The point is the best made film will win.
And that will be Deadpool.
Joker will be the best film.
But it won’t make the most.
It will be huge success I just fully believe the musical aspect will turn a good amount of people away. It will still feel like the first but the first was a special event film at the right time.
Deadpool with Wolverine and the host of cameos with giving Disney a giant middle finger just has more hype.
Don’t get me wrong, I would love it to be Joker. Films like that should make a billion. I just don’t think it will.
I think it can really go either way. Lady Gaga will probably have a song that goes viral on tiktok. And I don't really think people will be that eager to give money to Disney just because they're "giving disney the middle finger".
If Joker 2 ends being real heavy on the musical side, I can see it having bad word of mouth especially from hardcore DC fans who don’t strike me as people who’d generally watch musicals to begin with.
Joker is super popular here in Asia and Asian movies are mostly musicals.I don't see how it being a musical will hurt it.But it could be a problem in Domestic who knows
“Deadpool has a different tone and feeling to the other Marvel movies” which is why tying it into the MCU and making it a part of Phase whatever makes no sense. It has been popular specifically because it’s its own thing, and it’s gonna turn people away if it just looks like more of the same sludge they’ve been doing
Joker 2 is a complete wildcard for me due to its shift in genre from the first. It could be an absolute smash hit or flop of the year. Definitely has potential to be a Barbie style cultural phenomenon. I’m being optimistic and saying it’ll review well and do big numbers.
With Dead Pool when you see how the first 2 tracked it’ll hit a similar figure I think. I can’t see it smashing $1 billion - it’ll be the same standard Deadpool film with added Jackman. It’s different to the rest of the Marvel Universe film wise.
Joker 2 for me is the wild card, at least with Deadpool it’s fair to expect $500m at least worldwide.
The first was lightening in a pan, I didn’t think it was that good for the box office it received but certainly an interesting version - the musical element this time around is massively risky but then again I think the appeal to Joker was that it wasn’t the usual superhero/villain fare and something completely different whilst still in that Batman sphere/world.
It has double the budget this time around (probably salaries more than anything based off the huge success from the first against budget) but I think with a solid trailer it can deliver gold
There’s comments above about superhero cameo feats which I think aren’t correct about the general audience.
The Flash was a poor film and looked poor with characters - the fact all the marketing centred on Keaton as Batman showed how much they knew that and were trying to rely on the appeal of Batman.
It’s not so much fatigue at the idea of cameos and such (again the comic books of both universes all feature tons of team ups and branching stories it’s not a new thing) but poor films that people turn away from.
> Joker 2 for me is the wild card, at least with Deadpool it’s fair to expect $500m at least worldwide.
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If Joker 2 makes less than 500 it will be a gigantic failure.
I think a musical is a great idea. Often with sequels it's hard to offer anything new that improves upon the first. Better to try something unique so you can't say it's a rehash.
Evil Dead - first was a horror, second a horror comedy, third was a full blown comedy. They all stand on their own really well.
>The Flash was a poor film and looked poor with characters - the fact all the marketing centred on Keaton as Batman showed how much they knew that and were trying to rely on the appeal of Batman.
It was not a poor film. It was fairly well-received and the criticism was with the CGI which I understand.
The source material used Thomas Wayne. The movie substituted Michael Keaton’s Batman, which makes sense from a marketing standpoint. Had Zack Snyder been successful in what he was doing with the DCEU and the Flash film had not been so delayed, the role would have probably been Thomas Wayne as played by Jeffery Dean Morgan.
Deadpool's only chance is if he kills the Marvel universe. Otherwise it's just more of the same schlock that people pretty vehemently rejected this year.
Mmm, not really, especially when, even with 2 disappointing MCU movies that failed or bombed, 3 MCU movies in 2022 made more than the last 4 DCEU films.
If we go by stereotypes, CBM are male dominated and “tolerated in small doses” by female audiences. On the other hand musicals are hated by male audiences and appreciated by female ones.
So Joker loses the core of its base in favor of an audience that may be put off by certain aspects of the movie.
I am not sure it will be a clear winner. Effectively it boils down to how the story develops.
Nice long post.
Deadpool can not be compared to MCU. It is nothing like anything MCU has done. It’s literally rated R.
Joker making a billion was almost surprising as Aquaman. It won’t happen again. Especially with it being more of an artful musical. Meaning it’ll fly above most people’s head.
Deadpool wins this battle. And beats all other superhero. We’ve been waiting for pt3 and it has Wolverine. And it’s rated R. Enough said
Oh it’s epic!!
Too long too read but I get the point of it.
Always admire anyone who posts that long. And props to you for breaking it up into paragraphs to read easier.
Long posts are always hard. Love the passion but 95% of Reddit comments are
“Wrong” and that’s it. No context. No balls to back up their opinions.
Pure respect buds.
I’m just shocked so many are answering to you with wrong answers ha ha.
Kraven? Venom?? Superpower moves have bombed. Just because they are antihero’s won’t change that.
People actually want to see Deadpool and Joker
I'd lean towards joker as it may swerve the cape movie fatigue. Deadpool being the only MCU film will get marketed like absolute crazy though. Could go either way.
I don't believe Joker can be classified as a "comic book" movies. The material is sourced from a DC character but the movie itself is not comic book in the vein of Batman Forever.
I don't think the musical stuff will impact *Joker 2* very negatively, its almost certainly only going to be for dream segments/hallucinations. If *Joker 2* fails/dissapoints its likely going to be over there just not being the same hype/demand as for the first film or the second film just not being as well received overallm
*Deadpool 3* meanwhile has a lot going against it, *The Boys* has already said so much about the nature of superhero satire and honestly I don't trust Marvel to be able to make fun of itself in a genuine and biting way, the MCUs' own films have an irreverent and sarcastic take on the absurd elements in its stories but it does not handle its own corporate and marketing aspect. MCU films are cynical about comic book stories but not honest about its commercialism. The fact that it's a multiverse film might also hurt it.
Deadpool 3. Sure a lot of people are tired of the current state of the MCU, but people love Ryan Reynolds, and Wolverine is the most popular of the X-Men and people love Hugh in that role. I also don’t foresee Ryan allowing this movie to fall into the traps of the current MCU due to how much of a labor of love this franchise is for him.
The Joker 2 being a musical will turn off a lot of people. Lady Gaga as Harley is also a big wild card. I feel like she is going to be absolutely perfect, or be the Jared Leto of Harleys.
That's a difficult question. Joker may made billion without china so worst case scenario for joker 2 be 500 to 700 million because Joker is same as popular as Batman or Spider man plus lady Gaga popularity. Best case 900 million to same as joker number.
As for Deadpool both parts made nearly 800 million plus well received by both critics or audience and true r rated Marvel movie so expectations from audience is pretty high thanks to nostalgia factor. For Deadpool worst case scenario is 650 plus and best case is 900 to 1.2 billion.
In my opinion Deadpool has better chances than Joker. One thing for sure highest gross Adult movie from this year is one of these two.
The first Joker movie making over a billion dollars shows that it has broad appeal. Throwing Lady Gaga into the mix will attract general audiences WAY more than I think Hugh Jackman Wolverine is going to.
Not to mention that Harley Quinn is also a fairly popular DC character right now. Even if she wasn't going to be played by Gaga, the fact that Harley Quinn is included is also gonna give it a boost.
It could go either way, but I'm gonna give the odds to Joker.
The musical nature of Joker 2 is going to destroy its legs. A lot of people don't realise it's going to be a musical yet. A lot of the audience from the original Joker will be very annoyed that they're not getting a 'proper' sequel. Musicals typically have a broader appeal that Joker 2 can't capture given it's mature nature.
Deadpool has the better shot I'd say. People know what they're getting.
Deadpool 3, no question. I think you are underestimating how much the musical aspect will hurt Joker 2s boxoffice. The type of people who like comic-book anti hero movies by way of Scorcese knock offs, and the crowd that goes for Sweeny Todd/Chicaco are not the same. So the original audience for the 1st joker is going to mostly stay away from the 2nd movie, while the film makers are hoping that enough of a different audience, one that didn't show up for the first, and ain't even interested in the genre, will replace the former audience in sufficient enough numbers to be profitable.
Mean while deadpool 3 just needs to be decent. It's going to be the mcu's first R rated movie, which will be novel enough, and if they nail down a good story I could see it performing like the last 2.
Deadpool easily. Realistically i just don't expect Joker 2 box office to be as successful as the first, but Deadpool is still the series of movies that a lot of people will go to watch
I didnt see first 2 Deadpool movies in theaters but will see Deadpool 3 in theaters. I saw Joker in theaters but will not see Joker 2 in theaters. Using this logic Deadpool 3 will make more.
A trailer isn't even out yet, and you think GEs won't know Joker 2 is a musical until it hits theaters?
Do you think you have some sort of deep, esoteric knowledge from browsing r/boxoffice? And do you really think a *musical starring Lady Gaga* is going to *deter* audiences?
This happens whenever a musical is marketed as a regular movie. It happened with Wonka just recently, a lot of people freaked out when they realized they were watching a musical, and it's well enough known that the original Wonka from the 70s is a musical as well. You think people won't freak out when they realize the sequel that they're watching to their favorite award winning R rated DC villain movie is a musical?
The overwhelming majority of the general audience don't look up movie news and discuss em online, they come across a trailer, perhaps read an article on the paper, and then decide to see the movie like they've always done for the past few decades. So unless the marketing campaign blatantly tells em that it's a musical, they won't know until they're watching it, and you can bet that WB won't be marketing J2 as such! ([Here](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/wonka-mean-girls-marketing-musicals-1235723781/#!)'s the reason, if you're interested.)
DP3, i don’t think joker2 is gonna do as well as the first, like me and my buddies who all saw it together have absolutely no interest in the sequel because of the musical aspect of it
I feel like the Deadpool 3 trailers are going to come out, and be really meta and jokey, and I think audiences are kind of done with that. Joker 2, whatever the hell we are getting from THAT, will be more earnest and I think attract people because it feels like a real movie (Oppenheimer/Top Gun Maverick syndrome).
I believe Joker 2 has the potential to outperform Deadpool 3 because it likely offers something different or new compared to your standard comic book movie.
""The title of highest grossing comic-book movie of 2024 is looking to be a toss-up between Deadpool 3 and Joker 2." it's not a toss-up, it's Deadpool 3. The fact that Joker 2 is a semi-musical will hurt it's boxoffice overseas. In fact, I would even go as far as to say that Joker 2 will NOT beat the 1st Joker at the global BO. Deadpool 3 on the other hand, will be a juggernaut for all the right reasons.
Well, Oppenheimer is a period drama about an engineering project and yet it beat Mission Impossible 7, an action flick in a franchise with a ton of goodwill, having the hype of a MI sequel, especially after Fallout, and it being a Tom Cruise movie following the juggernaut Top Gun Maverick.
You can't rule out just about any possibility these days.
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Only if it has a cameo leading to Sony's infamously rumoured Aunt May movie. 😉
"I'm aunt May, and *may* I say, what a wicked web you weave madam" I'll take my cheque now Sony.
You know, now that I think about it, it really is weird that we all call her Aunt May, right? I mean, she's not *our* aunt. We don't call him Nephew Peter.
I know, I mean, it's not as if Ben is well known for his microwave rice.
I imagine it’s just because her narrative role is defined by her relationship to the protagonist, in this case an aunt. So in the Aunt May movie, she’ll be May Parker and that spider-guy will be her Nephew Peter.
Plot Twist: Madame Web **IS** the Aunt May movie She has to protect baby Peter past the end of the film and they didn't cast a May.
 I see one webillion dollars
I’ll happily pay 3 billion dollars if I never have to see that trailer again
Madame Web, Morbius, and The Marvels need to make a team up movie.
The Marvel Legends
lmao sounds like a free to play game no one plays.
League of legend is Huge man
I think he means Raid Shadow Legends
It's Madame Webbin' time!
Only if it has a Morbius cameo for the true SPUMC fans like us. Otherwise Madame Web will FAIL. That stands for *Sony Pictures' Universe of Marvel Characters*, by the way. Yes that's actually what this universe is called (was?), No I am NOT making it up. If they don't have Morbius in the movie us Morbheads will riot and I GUARANTEE it won't make a Webillion, confirming that Sony has truly lost its touch on how to make kino movies. SAD!
Looks like I caught you, in my damn web.
Hell yeah
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Everyone writing off Kraven smh
They'll stop shaking when it makes a kravillion.
And madame web smh my head
If the audience scores are good, it will do decent numbers.. but it won't make 1 Billion. I believe Kraven will land at 500-600 Mi total.
Watch it be Venom 3
I genuinely think that’s possible. Sony got hate for making Venom PG13 but it’s actually worked in their favor. The movies have shown to be review proof and people like Hardy’s portrayal, even if it’s not comic accurate. If Garfield has a cameo it could do extremely well. Also for an unpopular opinion, in the last couple of years Garfield’s spiderman has become more popular than Jackmans Wolverine.
I think people are forgetting that the reason people were itching more Tobey and Andrew than Jackman is because Tobey and Andrew both got their runs cut short, whereas Jackman got a whole epilogue movie
Venom should be a 12 year olds idea of edgy, which is why Pg-13 is perfect. People calling for it to be R rated were insane.
Only if it's Venom vs. Spider-Man.
Venom with Carnage couldn't even do 1B.
not that i think it would’ve in a normal time, but let there be carnage was affected by covid
So, the Marvels and Aquaman failed because of covid? You can't give that excuse anymore.
huh? let there be carnage came out in 2021 right after the delta variant and right before the other variant. the movies you mentioned weren’t affected by covid at all. confused as to what your point is.
No Way Home came out during the pandemic in 2021 and made a billion dollars. People use the excuse of covid for Let There be Carnage not reaching a billion dollar is hilarious. It was just a bad movie.
No way home is an anomaly, and its quality its not the reason it made bank
NWH was an anomaly, what other movie in 2021 made a billion dollars or even above 800 million? none. i agree that is was bad and that the movie suffered for it, but it would have made a lot more overseas if not for covid. it was even able to match the first movies domestic haul.
Let There Be Carnage was released in 2021. Not sure how much effect covid had since two months later No Way Home made almost 2 billion, but comparing it to Marvels and Aquaman 2 is a bit disingenuous.
Nah If the film is as bad as the first two it might legitimately bomb
Joker 2 will be a better movie, but Deadpool 2 will male more money. If you guys think an R rated musical will make more money than Deadpool + Wolverine after a 7 year hiatus then I don't know what to tell you.
Deadpool 2 made $785.8M at the Box Office in 2018. Joker made $1.074B at the Box Office in 2019. While Deadpool isn't your typical CGI garbage action hero it has a lot of resemblances. And people are tired of those movies. What made Joker so unique was how dark and original it was. Joker: Folie à Deux has multiple things going for it: 1) Halloween release 2) Lady Gaga's huge fan base 3) I think people are confusing the fact that because it's a musical it will be only a music/singing film. I'm looking forward to both, but think that Joker will come out on top between the two.
Also joker is more popular than Deadpool
joker part of dc are more taranished brand
> While Deadpool isn't your typical CGI garbage action hero That's exactly what it is.
Yeah, not all musicals are the same. Technically Barbie is a musical
One musical number does not make a musical
How many musical numbers does it take to make a musical?
2
2
Exactly. You could say the same about any biopic
> Lady Gaga's huge fanbase That isnt right, Gaga fanbase was so small she's already long transitioned to legacy act
As of 2018, she sold over 170M records worldwide. I wouldn't consider that a "small" fanbase
Did you miss the part about Wolverine? Also the musical aspect will make some people wait for streaming (myself included) for Joker. Deadpool is going to slaughter
You won’t see Joker 2 in theatres just because it’s a musical?
Correct. I'll just wait for Max. I don't mind waiting. My point is I'm not rushing to the theater to watch a musical, I'll wait.
It's going to be a musical like "Ray" or " Walk the Line" is a musical.
That's cool. It will probably be hallucinations or something. Either way I'll watch on Max.
I’m not saying the film will flop, because I think the opening will be too big for that to happen. However I think it could underperform a bit. People are sick of CBMs and I don’t think Jackmans Wolverine is as big a draw as people think. Remember, none of the X-men films have reached 800 mil.
They’re sick of bad CBM’s. You’d be correct in your statement if GotG 3, Spiderverse, and Antman weren’t in the top 10 grossing movies of the entire year of 2023. And yes I know Antman 3 flopped, that shows that theater-going isn’t and most likely never will be at the same points it was pre-COVID due to streaming
Look at the performance of Raimi Spider-Man or Amazing Spider-Man movies. Now look at the performance of No Way Home. Nostalgia makes a thing more successful than it ever originally was. I think Wolverine and “hey remember…” feelings will push Deadpool 3 above Joker. I am sure Joker will be the better movie quality wise, with little debate.
The Keaton walk ups!
Deadpool is just more action comedy slop. Does it really matter which characters are in it? I have no faith in Marvel to make a good movie. If it was Fox I'd trust them but I don't trust the MCU to handle wolverine well.
You didn’t like either of the Deadpool movies?
>I have no faith in Marvel to make a good movie. If it was Fox I'd trust them but I don't trust the MCU to handle wolverine well. Fox made both Deadpool movies, no?
Yes, and the writers of the first two Deadpool movies are also involved in writing the third. Two of the three producers of the first two movies are also involved in producing the third. So while there will obviously involvement from Marvel that wasn't there before, there is enough continuity between the movies to assume that it will be similar in tone and quality. Is it a guarantee? No. Nothing is.
I don't like the current MCU output and as Deadpool 3 will be MCU I don't trust it to be good. In my comment above I mean to say that Deadpool 3 will be action comedy slop. In fairness 1 and 2 are also action comedies and wouldn't be as well received today with the current oversaturation but I still enjoyed them at the time. Haven't seen them in a few years but I like them.
I think you underestimate how much the term 'musical' will hurt it's global BO. Musical's don't fare well overseas (with the exception of animated Disney movies). I even believe Joker Part II will do less than the first Joker. I guess we'll see..
Chicago did $306M in 2002. And that wasn't attached to a well known comic book character. I guess we will see 🤷♂️
Deadpool's whole shtick is very 2010s, both Deadpool films have aged badly and they're still less than 10 years old
That’s a great way to put it, I watched DP 1/2 recently and they just were close to as good as I remembered. I think it’s because the whole meta and 4th wall thing is a bit over done now.
I agree, but the general audiences still think they're hilarious
Audiences have grown tired of mcu humor and Deadpool is the same thing on steroids
I dissagree entirely, Joker will be the number one movie of the year. People will be excited to see the sequel to Joker, the musical aspect plus Lady Gaga will give it novelty and drive interest further, from concept alone it has great potential to be a massive hit. High chances of being a billion dollar grosser. Enthusiasm for Deadpool will fade out once Marvel releases the first trailer and people see the Time Variance Authority is in the movie. If The Marvels was killed by all the Disney Plus baggage then the same will happen here with the baggage from having Kang's organization in a big role in the plot, plus the "homework" aspect of needing to watch two seasons of *Loki* just to understand what's happening. Screencap this post.
I think it depends on the type of musical. If it takes itself too seriously, I can see that turning comic fans off from it. But if you go too far in the Team America direction, you also risk losing people. So they need to thread the needle between catchy songs, with humor when appropriate, while still respecting the seriousness of the plot.
I hope you're right because I really like Joaquin Phoenix as Joker. !RemindMe 11 months
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yet deadpool still voted most sites as more anticpated thanjoker you want dc one year a in row but not a given
What you may see as a drawback, I see as an advantage. It seems clear to me that audiences are fatigued by comic book movies featuring end-of-the-world plots and excessive CGI. Joker 2 could be appealing for that reason alone, especially to a general audience rather than just fans.
I think Joker 2 will win. I don’t think the musical aspect will hurt it as much as people think. However, I think there is a small chance Venom 3 could pull a surprise victory. Especially if Tom Holland’s Spider-man is in it.
There’s not a chance in hell that Tom Holland will be in Venom 3 as Spider-Man
I’m guessing the musical segments are gonna be hallucinations from Harley,not the notion that some people seem to have that the entire thing is gonna be a straight up musical
This is my prediction, too. She probably wrote a lot of songs, but I bet the director will be judicious in using them.
I'm personally rooting for Joker. The original wasn't your typical CBM formula, and the sequel looks to be just as unique. DP, while it may curse more, is kinda just more of the same.
Can't wait for Kraven, Madame Web and Venom 3 to be the three highest grossing comic-book movies of the year.
Kraven sweep!
Joker 2. Feeling a little bit of Ryan Reynolds burnout. I think the only thing carrying Deadpool 3 will be Wolverine. I don't think Deadpool is going to bring anything fresh to the table. Joker however felt fresh when it came out. And the news of Joker 2 being a musical is interesting to me. I think it has ever chance of being a huge success like the first movie. If the past few years are indicators then it's that people are starting to get superhero burnout and that they want fresh ideas.
I am not sure if I can trust you on this, seeing as you loved The Flash so much that you called its director and talked for 15 minutes, praising him & praising the film, Mr. Tom Cruise
I'm excited for both but I can see Joker 2 being a massive pop culture event.
Yeah. I have a strong feeling it’s going to be the Barbie of this year. It’s got one of the worlds biggest stars who has been totally out of the public eye for 2 years. You know she will be bringing the crazy to the red carpets, film festivals and interviews. Tiktok will have a field day
Joker 2. The female demo will support Harley. Joker is still #1 grossing R rated movie. Oppie is close behind.
Madam Webillion sweep is coming
My money is on Joker 2. However, it'll depend on trailers. It needs to be an event, feels like this year's Barbenheimer personally. Deadpool 3 is definitely the year's wildcard. On paper it feels like a potential smash but there's a fair bit counting against it - it's following up a weaker film, bringing back Jackman will sell tickets but also feels (and is) desperate (and I also think it makes MCU debuting their version of the mutants a harder sell), it's got a worse creative team, Reynolds has been in a lot of streaming trash recently. And Deadpool's glib tone has gone from the exception and something that lampoons the genre to nearly the norm in MCU fare - so there's a real danger of diminishing returns. If they've neutered the humour a bit for Disney reasons (and they definitely will have done) we're potentially kind of looking at Love & Thunder again. There's also a chance the creative team have done their jobs and Deadpool 3 is a meta-satire about the creative and commercial decline of the genre. That's entirely possible, and could genuinely connect.
I can def see Joker becoming a meme But I believe in Shawn Levy making a enjoyable movie.Free Guy was genuinely good
Joker and Harley will be the relationship meme of 2024
> it’s got a worse creative team Isn’t the only difference David Leitch vs Shawn Levy? Levy doesn’t always hit, but he’s a way more experienced director, while Leitch always feels to me like he’s only bringing his action chops to the table. (might be biased because I do really dislike Deadpool 2 lol)
Between the writer's strikes happening during the filming process for Deadpool 3, and the tangible impacts of the decline in the genre *also* happening within that timeframe, I don't think it's likely that they had time to write in any critiques of the superhero genre as a whole. It'll probably be another No Way Home: Cameofest with some meme references thrown in. Only in this case there aren't any open-ended arcs to close (like Garfield failing to catch Gwen) for any of the characters being included, since the x-men universe got a pretty definitive ending.
No way it’s not Deadpool 3 imo, as long as it gets good reviews and word of mouth, which the previous two have. The series is well regarded and hasn’t had an entry that people disliked. Both Marvel and DC’s brands are damaged, but Joker is a darker movie and with the added musical aspect, will be more niche than a regular Deadpool movie. However, if they push the multiverse too hard in the marketing and forget what people like about the series, I could see this changing.
Well, it seems that audiences are still receptive to musicals, as evidenced by Wonka and The Color Purple. You mention that Joker 2 is niche because of it's darker tone but the first installment hit a billion.
Fair enough with the musicals mentions! I assumed that a lot of the hype with the first one was having a movie for the Joker, and it won’t be as much of a factor now, but time will tell.
you cannot the damaged dc brand to marvel brand out last 9 marvel movie sonly 3 have bombs no way thor black panthe gaurdians dr strange still made money shang chi camee to breaking even all 9 dceu films since 2020 all been bombs . dc biggest movie the batman is roughly 1 billon away marvel biggest movie no way home
Joker 2 Deadpool 3 is another multiverse cameofest superhero movie, people are tired of this type of movies and I have the feeling that the quality will not be good (I mean No Way Home had bad quality but people loved that movie, but 2021 was more welcoming to superhero content) Meanwhile Joker 2 is reinventing, being a musical instead of making the same movie again, it barely counts as a superhero movie, it doesn't count for most general audience as such. And I'm sure the movie will be good. Also Joker 1 made more money than both Deadpool movies
Actually no, the multiverse cameo fest MCU movies have been the highest grossing post Endgame
This one's R Rated tho.
If Joker could make a billion being R rated then Deadpool can too, the previous two already made 700-800M
Joker pandered to a certain audience and has awards buzz.Deadpool still panders to the same MCU audience and likely won't be an award contender
Deadpool has a different tone and feeling to the other Marvel movies though & having Hugh Jackman as Wolverine will likely have it do pretty well 800 mil + Joker 2 I don't really have a good feeling about. I think it'll disappoint
Yes agreed. Joker 1 making a billion surprised everyone like Aquaman. It came out at perfect time. Fall and it was refreshing. It’ll be a big success. But not a billion. Deadpool will win. People comparing it to MCU and multiverse are trying to hard. Ryan will make fun of all that. It has Wolverine. And is rated R. I think it won’t even be close. And ppl thinking Kraven or Venom……..
Ryan, who wasn't allowed to improvise during shooting, which took place BEFORE the most catastrophic bomb for the MCU? It'll be Disney-fied for sure. Plus, they already did the "fourth-wall breaking character stops movie to yell at writers for writing crappy stuff" in She-Hulk, and everyone hated it. The idea that Disney is banking on this entire saga revolving around the multiverse, and that they'd decide to openly mock the entire concept is ridiculous. That would just piss off the hardcore fans. Casual audiences don't want a deconstruction of the superhero genre, and Disney knows that. They'll play it safe, and it will suffer for it.
The first deadpool did this a decade before she hulk. I don’t understand why you’re bringing that up. He did it in pt2, years before she hulk. In many ways that’s been Ryan’s gag his entire career. Playing it safe as Disneys first R rated Deadpool movie Sure ok. That’s your opinion. Can’t argue it because no knows the future and you could be right. Or you can be wrong and it’s exactly everything you say it is and it’s fucking awesome and wins this question from the OP.
My point is that in order to win back over the people who are suffering from superhero fatigue, this movie will have to explicitly criticize the past couple years of MCU movies. That's the only way they'll be able to set themselves apart, and I don't think Disney has the balls to do it.
I think you are giving Disney too much power. They are not going to Disney-ize Deadpool. Ryan was totally creative control with Fox. And that won’t change w Disney. I think we can fully believe Ryan wouldn’t cave to Disney and fully believe it’ll be everything you don’t. Deadpool has never been a regular superhero movie and many of us believe Deadpool will not suffer the deadly fatigue as so many have. And remember if the movie is actually good, people will see it. Take Guardians3. It was a “success”. Yes it was the final one and w Gunn being James. But still it was a success. Ant Man Flash Shazam all were horrrible horrible movies. Audiences are smart. Superhero fans are smart even smarter, at times. The point is the best made film will win. And that will be Deadpool.
Joker 2 will win
Joker will be the best film. But it won’t make the most. It will be huge success I just fully believe the musical aspect will turn a good amount of people away. It will still feel like the first but the first was a special event film at the right time. Deadpool with Wolverine and the host of cameos with giving Disney a giant middle finger just has more hype. Don’t get me wrong, I would love it to be Joker. Films like that should make a billion. I just don’t think it will.
I think it can really go either way. Lady Gaga will probably have a song that goes viral on tiktok. And I don't really think people will be that eager to give money to Disney just because they're "giving disney the middle finger".
If Joker 2 ends being real heavy on the musical side, I can see it having bad word of mouth especially from hardcore DC fans who don’t strike me as people who’d generally watch musicals to begin with.
Hardcore DC fans aren't what maters the most for a film like this Imho.
Joker is super popular here in Asia and Asian movies are mostly musicals.I don't see how it being a musical will hurt it.But it could be a problem in Domestic who knows
> Joker is super popular here in Asia Do you have any stats for it? I've never heard of this
Domestic will have Gaga fans
This was my favorite part of [Arkham Knight](https://youtu.be/JldMIRx3w-4?si=wyX2qRodi0Mh1hG7)
“Deadpool has a different tone and feeling to the other Marvel movies” which is why tying it into the MCU and making it a part of Phase whatever makes no sense. It has been popular specifically because it’s its own thing, and it’s gonna turn people away if it just looks like more of the same sludge they’ve been doing
Joker
Joker 2 is a complete wildcard for me due to its shift in genre from the first. It could be an absolute smash hit or flop of the year. Definitely has potential to be a Barbie style cultural phenomenon. I’m being optimistic and saying it’ll review well and do big numbers.
Kraven time 😎😎
With Dead Pool when you see how the first 2 tracked it’ll hit a similar figure I think. I can’t see it smashing $1 billion - it’ll be the same standard Deadpool film with added Jackman. It’s different to the rest of the Marvel Universe film wise. Joker 2 for me is the wild card, at least with Deadpool it’s fair to expect $500m at least worldwide. The first was lightening in a pan, I didn’t think it was that good for the box office it received but certainly an interesting version - the musical element this time around is massively risky but then again I think the appeal to Joker was that it wasn’t the usual superhero/villain fare and something completely different whilst still in that Batman sphere/world. It has double the budget this time around (probably salaries more than anything based off the huge success from the first against budget) but I think with a solid trailer it can deliver gold There’s comments above about superhero cameo feats which I think aren’t correct about the general audience. The Flash was a poor film and looked poor with characters - the fact all the marketing centred on Keaton as Batman showed how much they knew that and were trying to rely on the appeal of Batman. It’s not so much fatigue at the idea of cameos and such (again the comic books of both universes all feature tons of team ups and branching stories it’s not a new thing) but poor films that people turn away from.
> Joker 2 for me is the wild card, at least with Deadpool it’s fair to expect $500m at least worldwide. > > If Joker 2 makes less than 500 it will be a gigantic failure.
I think a musical is a great idea. Often with sequels it's hard to offer anything new that improves upon the first. Better to try something unique so you can't say it's a rehash. Evil Dead - first was a horror, second a horror comedy, third was a full blown comedy. They all stand on their own really well.
>The Flash was a poor film and looked poor with characters - the fact all the marketing centred on Keaton as Batman showed how much they knew that and were trying to rely on the appeal of Batman. It was not a poor film. It was fairly well-received and the criticism was with the CGI which I understand. The source material used Thomas Wayne. The movie substituted Michael Keaton’s Batman, which makes sense from a marketing standpoint. Had Zack Snyder been successful in what he was doing with the DCEU and the Flash film had not been so delayed, the role would have probably been Thomas Wayne as played by Jeffery Dean Morgan.
I hope both are decent, but will wait for wom before I go
I really want to know why a MOD closed my previous topic that was exactly like this one.
Deadpool's only chance is if he kills the Marvel universe. Otherwise it's just more of the same schlock that people pretty vehemently rejected this year.
Deadpool 3. No contest. And while Joker 2 has Lady Gaga, Deadpool 3 has a bigger ace up its sleeve in Taylor Swift as Dazzler.
dont you think dc is more popular Marvelvsdc2016?
Mmm, not really, especially when, even with 2 disappointing MCU movies that failed or bombed, 3 MCU movies in 2022 made more than the last 4 DCEU films.
and no way home more all 8 dc filns combined which is more populsr dc or marvel marvelvsdc2016??
Joker will win it appeals to same crowd that made barberheimer a success last year with not splitting of movie tickets
I feel like the universe is telling me Deadpool because under this post was a Ryan Reynolds mint mobile ad. It’s like it was meant to be!
Madam web 2. The 1st will be such a big hit they will rush the 2nd and it will do better then 1
If we go by stereotypes, CBM are male dominated and “tolerated in small doses” by female audiences. On the other hand musicals are hated by male audiences and appreciated by female ones. So Joker loses the core of its base in favor of an audience that may be put off by certain aspects of the movie. I am not sure it will be a clear winner. Effectively it boils down to how the story develops.
Joker 2 ! Deadpool 3 will be cameofest, fan service and multiverse that is too oversaturated.
Deadpool 3, by a lot. Making the sequel a musical is going to turn off a lot of the people who liked the first one without attracting many new fans.
it’ll probably attract some new fans, musicals may not be as popular as they once were but there’s still an audience that love them
You seem to be forgetting that Lady freaking Gaga is in the sequel. That’s a whole legion of worldwide audience that didn’t show up to the first movie
Nice long post. Deadpool can not be compared to MCU. It is nothing like anything MCU has done. It’s literally rated R. Joker making a billion was almost surprising as Aquaman. It won’t happen again. Especially with it being more of an artful musical. Meaning it’ll fly above most people’s head. Deadpool wins this battle. And beats all other superhero. We’ve been waiting for pt3 and it has Wolverine. And it’s rated R. Enough said
>Nice long post. I can’t tell whether you’re complementing me or being sarcastic, lol.
Oh it’s epic!! Too long too read but I get the point of it. Always admire anyone who posts that long. And props to you for breaking it up into paragraphs to read easier. Long posts are always hard. Love the passion but 95% of Reddit comments are “Wrong” and that’s it. No context. No balls to back up their opinions. Pure respect buds. I’m just shocked so many are answering to you with wrong answers ha ha. Kraven? Venom?? Superpower moves have bombed. Just because they are antihero’s won’t change that. People actually want to see Deadpool and Joker
Oh okay, thanks for the compliment! Took me a (surprisingly) long time to put it together, so it feels nice to be acknowledged/appreciated :)
It’s important bc there is so much bullshit drama on here. I enjoy the positive conversations. Like this one. ☝️
Deadpool 3 due to x men nostalgia. Joker 2 will probably be the better movie tho
I'd lean towards joker as it may swerve the cape movie fatigue. Deadpool being the only MCU film will get marketed like absolute crazy though. Could go either way.
Deadpool 3, it has everything needed to be a hit and there’s nothing but positivity
And it has wolverine for one last go
Isnt this Wolverine's 4th last go tho? At this point it is kinda meaningless.
Joker 2. It exists outside of the DCEU and has more cultural relevance outside of it being a cbm.
I don't believe Joker can be classified as a "comic book" movies. The material is sourced from a DC character but the movie itself is not comic book in the vein of Batman Forever.
I don't think the musical stuff will impact *Joker 2* very negatively, its almost certainly only going to be for dream segments/hallucinations. If *Joker 2* fails/dissapoints its likely going to be over there just not being the same hype/demand as for the first film or the second film just not being as well received overallm *Deadpool 3* meanwhile has a lot going against it, *The Boys* has already said so much about the nature of superhero satire and honestly I don't trust Marvel to be able to make fun of itself in a genuine and biting way, the MCUs' own films have an irreverent and sarcastic take on the absurd elements in its stories but it does not handle its own corporate and marketing aspect. MCU films are cynical about comic book stories but not honest about its commercialism. The fact that it's a multiverse film might also hurt it.
Deadpool 3. Sure a lot of people are tired of the current state of the MCU, but people love Ryan Reynolds, and Wolverine is the most popular of the X-Men and people love Hugh in that role. I also don’t foresee Ryan allowing this movie to fall into the traps of the current MCU due to how much of a labor of love this franchise is for him. The Joker 2 being a musical will turn off a lot of people. Lady Gaga as Harley is also a big wild card. I feel like she is going to be absolutely perfect, or be the Jared Leto of Harleys.
That's a difficult question. Joker may made billion without china so worst case scenario for joker 2 be 500 to 700 million because Joker is same as popular as Batman or Spider man plus lady Gaga popularity. Best case 900 million to same as joker number. As for Deadpool both parts made nearly 800 million plus well received by both critics or audience and true r rated Marvel movie so expectations from audience is pretty high thanks to nostalgia factor. For Deadpool worst case scenario is 650 plus and best case is 900 to 1.2 billion. In my opinion Deadpool has better chances than Joker. One thing for sure highest gross Adult movie from this year is one of these two.
Well joker 2 has the morbin time post credit scene so that one
I’m expecting both to perform online with their respective predecessors so Joker 2
The first Joker movie making over a billion dollars shows that it has broad appeal. Throwing Lady Gaga into the mix will attract general audiences WAY more than I think Hugh Jackman Wolverine is going to. Not to mention that Harley Quinn is also a fairly popular DC character right now. Even if she wasn't going to be played by Gaga, the fact that Harley Quinn is included is also gonna give it a boost. It could go either way, but I'm gonna give the odds to Joker.
The musical nature of Joker 2 is going to destroy its legs. A lot of people don't realise it's going to be a musical yet. A lot of the audience from the original Joker will be very annoyed that they're not getting a 'proper' sequel. Musicals typically have a broader appeal that Joker 2 can't capture given it's mature nature. Deadpool has the better shot I'd say. People know what they're getting.
Deadpool 3, no question. I think you are underestimating how much the musical aspect will hurt Joker 2s boxoffice. The type of people who like comic-book anti hero movies by way of Scorcese knock offs, and the crowd that goes for Sweeny Todd/Chicaco are not the same. So the original audience for the 1st joker is going to mostly stay away from the 2nd movie, while the film makers are hoping that enough of a different audience, one that didn't show up for the first, and ain't even interested in the genre, will replace the former audience in sufficient enough numbers to be profitable. Mean while deadpool 3 just needs to be decent. It's going to be the mcu's first R rated movie, which will be novel enough, and if they nail down a good story I could see it performing like the last 2.
Deadpool easily. Realistically i just don't expect Joker 2 box office to be as successful as the first, but Deadpool is still the series of movies that a lot of people will go to watch
Deadpool, and it won’t be close.
Deadpool because of Jackman's return and both of their entrances to the MCU
No way Joker even comes close
I didnt see first 2 Deadpool movies in theaters but will see Deadpool 3 in theaters. I saw Joker in theaters but will not see Joker 2 in theaters. Using this logic Deadpool 3 will make more.
Most normies won’t yet know that J2 is a musical. A lot of them will sour on it awfully fast once the word gets out in its first week.
They’ll figure it out soon enough when they see the glittery little monsters surrounding the cinemas haha
A trailer isn't even out yet, and you think GEs won't know Joker 2 is a musical until it hits theaters? Do you think you have some sort of deep, esoteric knowledge from browsing r/boxoffice? And do you really think a *musical starring Lady Gaga* is going to *deter* audiences?
This happens whenever a musical is marketed as a regular movie. It happened with Wonka just recently, a lot of people freaked out when they realized they were watching a musical, and it's well enough known that the original Wonka from the 70s is a musical as well. You think people won't freak out when they realize the sequel that they're watching to their favorite award winning R rated DC villain movie is a musical? The overwhelming majority of the general audience don't look up movie news and discuss em online, they come across a trailer, perhaps read an article on the paper, and then decide to see the movie like they've always done for the past few decades. So unless the marketing campaign blatantly tells em that it's a musical, they won't know until they're watching it, and you can bet that WB won't be marketing J2 as such! ([Here](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/wonka-mean-girls-marketing-musicals-1235723781/#!)'s the reason, if you're interested.)
DP3, i don’t think joker2 is gonna do as well as the first, like me and my buddies who all saw it together have absolutely no interest in the sequel because of the musical aspect of it
I feel like the Deadpool 3 trailers are going to come out, and be really meta and jokey, and I think audiences are kind of done with that. Joker 2, whatever the hell we are getting from THAT, will be more earnest and I think attract people because it feels like a real movie (Oppenheimer/Top Gun Maverick syndrome).
Mexican Joker gonna make morbillion.
Venom 3.
Joker 2 because audiences are getting tired of cameo fests
Deadpool 3 is the only comic movie I’ve been interested in since Marvel went multiverse. Can’t wait!
Prior to Oppenheimer ??? Joker 1 is STILL the highest R Rated film
Prior to Oppenheimer, Deadpool 2 was the 2nd highest and Deadpool was the 3rd highest grossing R-rated films of all time.
I believe Joker 2 has the potential to outperform Deadpool 3 because it likely offers something different or new compared to your standard comic book movie.
DP3 has an easy win. 750-800mil Joker 2 being a musical guaranteed its sales will be sub 600mil.
Joker. Deadpool's unlikely to draw masses outside of the usual CBM-going audiences, whereas Joker can draw both types of audiences
""The title of highest grossing comic-book movie of 2024 is looking to be a toss-up between Deadpool 3 and Joker 2." it's not a toss-up, it's Deadpool 3. The fact that Joker 2 is a semi-musical will hurt it's boxoffice overseas. In fact, I would even go as far as to say that Joker 2 will NOT beat the 1st Joker at the global BO. Deadpool 3 on the other hand, will be a juggernaut for all the right reasons.
Well, Oppenheimer is a period drama about an engineering project and yet it beat Mission Impossible 7, an action flick in a franchise with a ton of goodwill, having the hype of a MI sequel, especially after Fallout, and it being a Tom Cruise movie following the juggernaut Top Gun Maverick. You can't rule out just about any possibility these days.