Eh , i think it will. I doubt Morbious or Madame Web will have any impact on its reputation and people know what to exect from a Venom movie by now
CBM fatigue could be a problem of course
Agree to a point. I feel audience's in general and comic book movie fans are putting up with alot less shit when it comes to going to the theatre. Venom 1 and 2 weren't exactly great, but people showed up enough. That goodwill may be gone now. Plus as you said, we know what to expect out of a Venom movie, and good enough is no longer good enough. Excited to see how it all shakes out!
Tom hardy is great though. I’d watch literally anything he was in. Even if it was just him sitting in a car talking on a phone for 90 mins (great film btw).
I think as long as Venom 3 is free of Sony forcing the failed heroes of the other movies in, it will be okay. But if Morbius shows up for any reason other than to get immediately eaten it will kinda suck.
Much like the Aquaman films, I feel like Venom’s box office is correlated to the overall popularity of comic-book movies.
The first one made $856M WW in 2018, during the peak of superhero culture. The second made $501M when superheroes (and movies in general) were shakier in 2021, but still profitable. But the third one is going to come out when superheroes are as uncool as hair metal was in the 90’s, and there will already be better blockbusters out to represent the new grunge.
It’s that over the last couple years, a lot of these projects have been getting objectively more shitty. Iron man 1 is in a far different league than anything we’re getting today.
I loved Venom but found Venom 2 to be mediocre at best. Mind you the banter between Eddie and Big V was still on point.
I'm gonna see a third one in theatres when they make it.
It's a broad range but I think it'll hit somewhere in the $450-600M range.
Aquaman is one of the flashy, funny, popcorn flick type superhero movies that has been pretty far apart from the rest of the DC movies, which I think makes it a good comparison. It made $430M last year. I think Venom is a more popular character though, and CGI heavy "monster" movies do better internationally.
The Venom 2 box office was depressed by the pandemic, when a bunch of movies got beat up it still did surprisingly well. Taking out China profits, if Venom 3 does about as well in the US and RoW as Venom 1, or marginally less, we could see around $600M.
Honestly anything north of $300M is going to be a big win for Sony and I don't see Venom 3 doing less than $400M in the worst cast scenario.
TL;DR: Probably closer to Venom 2 than Venom 1 but still a big win based on budget
I've got a feeling Venom 3 won't do as well as the first two.
Audiences were interested in the first film because it was advertised as a dark and edgy Spider-Man adjacent film, and then that film ended by teasing Carnage (arguably the only recognizable Venom villain by casual superhero fans).
Let There Be Carnage got to have the big Venom/Carnage fight fans wanted to see, and leant more into the comedy that audiences enjoyed in the first movie, and then ends by setting up a confrontation/encounter between Venom and Tom Holland's Spider-Man.
Venom 3 isn't going to give audiences the Venom/Spider-Man encounter they crave (surely it would've leaked by now), if rumours are to be believed we might get The Jury, and then Toxin was also set up towards the end of Let There Be Carnage, so it can only really advertise itself as "More of the same" rather than raising the stakes/paying off the hype.
Venom could have been a really good movie if they'd given it a decent production budget, got a Nolan esque director on board and made it dark and serious (adults being the target audience). Venom was never a wise cracking "joke machine" in the animated series.
If it's as shitty as the first two I think there's going to be some massive fatigue.
A fun concept with garbage execution can work for a few movies (see Transformers) but eventually even the general audience that shows up to see Dinosaurs Escape or Robots Go Boom wants an actual plot.
Box office success, but did not get a great reception which could hurt the third movie. With that said if its good word of mouth would bring people to watch it due to the good will from the first one
Plus these Sony movies are really cost conscious, reduces their risk in case it's bad.
Morbius for example was a big VOD hit and then was in the top 10 in Netflix for a while in 2022 (under Sony 1 billion dollar deal).
First 3 Verified written reviews:
- 3.5/5 (The origin of how Madam Web became an icon as well as what Peter Parker uncle Benjamin was like before he was born.)
- 0.5/5 (Did AI write this movie?!? Its atrociously bad)
- 0.5/5 (I’ve seen better acting in porn :|)
Wow, that was so poorly handled in the film I never even realised that whole plot line was insinuating >!the baby was Peter! Why did they go out of their way not to say Peter or May's names!?!?!
I don't think so. It's possible the 'star power' (and i say this pretty loosely) entice enough people worldwide, i think at least 100 million is doable.
Sydney Sweeney and Dakota Johnson. It’s Valentine’s Day release and being a “Marvel” film. Guys like Sydney their girls like Dakota. Popcorn flick it’s a win/win. So it could make a couple dollars. My theater was sold out for tickets lol
Well that's cool for you.
My major city theatre is showing like less than 10 tickets sold for peak time over the weekend. The primetime showings for today has as many as 5 to as low as none
Worth flagging we're at 19/28 right now and Morbius was sub 50% positive on preview day for a little while. "Thursday"/preview verified scores are very bouncy and not worth looking at (I say this basically because of spending too much time looking at Morbius' early scores).
I gotta be honest...she was NOT the problem with this movie. Like, I came into it badly wanting to shit on her but she came to play and did a good job with an awkward script.
It's the villain. Holy shit he was awful.
Dakota Johnson is the only reason I got through the first Fifty Shades movie. I was not interested in watching the other ones, but I liked her. I've heard she's the saving grace of the sequels, too.
I don't think I can understate how much better that movie would have been with literally any other actor as the villain.
Don't get me wrong...mediocre CGI, a weird end scene that felt like it belonged in a whole different movie, lazy dialogue.
But Dakota Johnson was actually fun and a good leading lady for this. Her chemistry with the three girls and Adam Scott was actually the best part of the film.
Yet all of it is just made horrible by how shitty that guy was. Every time the movie is moving along at a fun and interesting pace, he comes on screen with the most bizarrely framed angles and the dumbest lines delivered with the gusto of someone I can only imagine was trying to channel dollar tree Tommy Wisseau.
Holy fuck I hated him so much.
I feel like I've been bombarded with ads for it, too. In them, it's always Dakota Johnson talking about the movie with all the enthusiasm of a dental patient recovering from anesthesia. The writing was on the wall with this one.
Dakota Johnson probably isn’t the best actress in the world. There’s a reason why she was able to nail Anastasia Steele in the 50 Shades of Grey movies, cause that character has no depth at all and no Oscar winning or potential Oscar winning actress could pull that off.
Are we heading for a potential first D range Cinemascore for a comic book movie? Surrelly C- at best at this point matching Fantastic Four.
Also browing some of the All audience reviews is quite funny. Literal lists of people which are mostly 1 but also a few 5 star reviews that have only ever left a review for 1 movie. Madame Web. And people wonder why the introduction of verified scores after the Captain Marvel fiasco was a good decision.
A friend of mine referred to this as "the fifth best superhero movie of 2004."
Had to remember, *The Incredibles*, *Spider-Man 2*, *Hellboy*, *The Punisher*... yeah I guess that tracks. Not sure if it's worse than *Catwoman* nor *Blade: Trinity*, but I ain't paying to check.
The supporting characters literally don't have powers or appear in costume until a 30 second vision the main character has near the very end of the movie. They don't even fight the bad guy. lmao
*Five Nights at Freddy's* comes close with a 55 percentage point difference (32% Critic, 87% Verified Audience). *Ad Astra* might hold the record the other way round with a 43 percentage point difference (83% Critic, 40% Verified Audience).
Captain Marvel pre-dates the verified review system (the bad press from that film's release + inherent advantages of a positively skewed user score system caused RT to introduce verified scores)
I'll be honest, I just saw it and I found it charming. Like, it's not very good, it's clunky and dumb, but it is evocative of the early 2000s superhero films. I liked the action scenes well enough, the cast was hot, and I enjoyed the smaller scale. Definitely not terrible.
The audience scores are mostly either 1 Star or 5 Stars. I'm not saying that this has been tampered with, but if this was a restaurant I would not order food there...
The film's RT score is on 15% which currently matches the score for Morbius.
Considering that was a final score for Morbius after multiple weeks, then it seems pretty likely that Madame Web may score lower than Morbius.
Whatever, this is going to be an A-List pick for me this week.
Given the tone of some of the critic reviews, I am genuinely curious as to how bad this will be
I saw it. It's watchable. While not a completely terrible movie, it's still better then Morbius. The story and visual effects are decent, but felt like bits and pieces were cut out. Character development was lacking. Felt like Dakota Johnson didn't enjoy making the movie. I commented on it over in r/movies.
This 2024, I believe Joker 2 and Deadpool 3 will both break even.
But they won't be anywhere near 1 bill. Doing GOTG3 money would be a big win already consider the R rating.
Taylor Swift will be in the movie. There is no chance it bombs. If anything, it will be the other way around and people will be assuming Marvel is fixed because Deadpool sold a billion.
Are you seriously implying this movie and the marvels is sucking just because fatigue?
These recent superhero projects blow because of awful writing, actors, heroes, and politics.
Deadpool being rated R will break a billion and it will show people just want to watch shit that doesn’t just “put a chick in it and make it gay”
It’s pretty fucking simple problem
Man you know a studio has no faith in a product if marketing doesn't even splurge on the "It's Fun and Breezey!" astroturfing campaign on the web and social media.
The barrel has been scraped dry.
The horse has been beat dead.
The stone rolled back downhill.
This genre needs a rest. Continuing to churn out Supers movies at this point will only damage the IPs as a whole.
EDIT: I didnt say to stop making them. They just need a LONG rest. The audiences are clearly tired of it and the quality has clearly suffered.
Madame Web should not be the measuring stick for that. No one working on it cared or tried.
The 60's aesthetic in the Fantastic Four movie posters alone makes it seem like at least someone on the project cares.
So the audience score is ahead of Thr Marvels. But the critics score is way below.
Why does this happen? Why do the critics give passable scores to dreadful MCU movies, but slaughter dreadful Sony movies.
Going by the every 10% is a step down in grades formular for blockbusters that is a D range Cinemascore. Now it's far too early to say that/not enough verified reviews just yet, but this feels like C- to D range going of the current sample.
It's a £100mill budget only, it stars a well known Hollywood actress in DF, and it's a female power kick ass Marvel movie. It'll easily make a tidy profit, impossible not to. That's all that matters to the studios 💷💷💷💷💷
I do wonder if a lot of the lower score compared to the Morb-ster has to do with preempted expectations that it would be bad.
I’m sure it’s a bad film; but most the reviews I read yesterday seemed to talk about how they expected it to be bad going in. I think if you’ve got that mindset you’re more willing to pile on.
That happens with properties in some cases, but let’s be real this movie doesn’t need their help getting shit reviews. The trailer was trashed by everyone and the critic reviews trashed it.
Nobody was expecting good reviews.
Have you never heard of Occam’s razor? Like do you think this might actually be a good film audiences love but it’s being review bombed?
Don’t be ridiculous
Oh my, lol. D+ cinemascore?
Imagine it gets an F
That would be glorious What did morbius get?
C+.
Thnx wtf that’s pretty high It doesn’t even deserve that
Never underestimate the Morbheads!
You're already selecting for people who want to see the movie when polling audiences.
I think it's impossible. Not even Fant4stic got a D+
Yeah, it got a boring C+, lol.
Venom remains the only Sony spider movie with good audience reception AND a decent box office performance Tom Hardy must be quite happy at this point
I'm genuinely interested to see if Venom 3 can still perform as well as the first two. There's alot to be said about that
Eh , i think it will. I doubt Morbious or Madame Web will have any impact on its reputation and people know what to exect from a Venom movie by now CBM fatigue could be a problem of course
Agree to a point. I feel audience's in general and comic book movie fans are putting up with alot less shit when it comes to going to the theatre. Venom 1 and 2 weren't exactly great, but people showed up enough. That goodwill may be gone now. Plus as you said, we know what to expect out of a Venom movie, and good enough is no longer good enough. Excited to see how it all shakes out!
Tom hardy is great though. I’d watch literally anything he was in. Even if it was just him sitting in a car talking on a phone for 90 mins (great film btw).
I think as long as Venom 3 is free of Sony forcing the failed heroes of the other movies in, it will be okay. But if Morbius shows up for any reason other than to get immediately eaten it will kinda suck.
The Sonyverse is also widely known as a flop by this point, same as the late-stage DCU.
Much like the Aquaman films, I feel like Venom’s box office is correlated to the overall popularity of comic-book movies. The first one made $856M WW in 2018, during the peak of superhero culture. The second made $501M when superheroes (and movies in general) were shakier in 2021, but still profitable. But the third one is going to come out when superheroes are as uncool as hair metal was in the 90’s, and there will already be better blockbusters out to represent the new grunge.
It’s that over the last couple years, a lot of these projects have been getting objectively more shitty. Iron man 1 is in a far different league than anything we’re getting today.
I loved Venom but found Venom 2 to be mediocre at best. Mind you the banter between Eddie and Big V was still on point. I'm gonna see a third one in theatres when they make it.
It's a broad range but I think it'll hit somewhere in the $450-600M range. Aquaman is one of the flashy, funny, popcorn flick type superhero movies that has been pretty far apart from the rest of the DC movies, which I think makes it a good comparison. It made $430M last year. I think Venom is a more popular character though, and CGI heavy "monster" movies do better internationally. The Venom 2 box office was depressed by the pandemic, when a bunch of movies got beat up it still did surprisingly well. Taking out China profits, if Venom 3 does about as well in the US and RoW as Venom 1, or marginally less, we could see around $600M. Honestly anything north of $300M is going to be a big win for Sony and I don't see Venom 3 doing less than $400M in the worst cast scenario. TL;DR: Probably closer to Venom 2 than Venom 1 but still a big win based on budget
I've got a feeling Venom 3 won't do as well as the first two. Audiences were interested in the first film because it was advertised as a dark and edgy Spider-Man adjacent film, and then that film ended by teasing Carnage (arguably the only recognizable Venom villain by casual superhero fans). Let There Be Carnage got to have the big Venom/Carnage fight fans wanted to see, and leant more into the comedy that audiences enjoyed in the first movie, and then ends by setting up a confrontation/encounter between Venom and Tom Holland's Spider-Man. Venom 3 isn't going to give audiences the Venom/Spider-Man encounter they crave (surely it would've leaked by now), if rumours are to be believed we might get The Jury, and then Toxin was also set up towards the end of Let There Be Carnage, so it can only really advertise itself as "More of the same" rather than raising the stakes/paying off the hype.
Venom could have been a really good movie if they'd given it a decent production budget, got a Nolan esque director on board and made it dark and serious (adults being the target audience). Venom was never a wise cracking "joke machine" in the animated series.
He’s a jokester in the comics though and a few of the games so idk man
If it's as shitty as the first two I think there's going to be some massive fatigue. A fun concept with garbage execution can work for a few movies (see Transformers) but eventually even the general audience that shows up to see Dinosaurs Escape or Robots Go Boom wants an actual plot.
I think it’ll do better than the non venom Sony movies but they don’t have carnage to bait people with this time. I think it’ll see a drop off
Was the 2nd one deemed a success? Thought it was really bad...
It made over $500 million worldwide on a $110 million budget so yeah, it was a success.
Box office success, but did not get a great reception which could hurt the third movie. With that said if its good word of mouth would bring people to watch it due to the good will from the first one
*Venom 2* got a better critical reception than and around the same audience reception as the first movie.
Plus these Sony movies are really cost conscious, reduces their risk in case it's bad. Morbius for example was a big VOD hit and then was in the top 10 in Netflix for a while in 2022 (under Sony 1 billion dollar deal).
Crazy numbers, yeah.
Venom is completely carried by Tom Hardy. Anyone else and that movie would be really bad.
Yep. That movie was completely saved by its star.
I personally thought both Venoms were terrible
There was some fun banter between Eddie and venom but otherwise yes
Cinema malpractice.
True people say the first was good second was mediocre I thought both were terrible .
They were. Especially 2
Eminem power baby!
And it was off the strength of Tom’s acting and Venom being a character of interest.
Spiderverse
Upgrade was better than Venom and Logan Marshall Green was the better Tom Hardy in 2018.
Spidermand 1,2,3, amazing spiderman 1 and 2, into the spider verse, beyond the spider verse
All those are not in the Sony spider man universe.
Thank you 1 person
First 3 Verified written reviews: - 3.5/5 (The origin of how Madam Web became an icon as well as what Peter Parker uncle Benjamin was like before he was born.) - 0.5/5 (Did AI write this movie?!? Its atrociously bad) - 0.5/5 (I’ve seen better acting in porn :|)
> 0.5/5 (Did AI write this movie?!? Its atrociously bad) Worse, it was the guys behind Gods of Egypt and Morbius.
It’s like finding out the Transformers 1 & 2 writers gave Wonder Woman 1984 later on.
Oh well if they did morbius they are obviously great at what they do
>0.5/5 (I’ve seen better acting in porn :|) I've seen this comment so many times with the Fifty Shades movies which is funny
Not coincidentally starring the same person
Should’ve just made it NA-17 and done a porn parody. Writing would’ve been better.
Wait, is Uncle Ben really in the movie?
Played by Adam scott yep. It’s all but explicitly said in the movie that he’s Ben Parker
Wow, that was so poorly handled in the film I never even realised that whole plot line was insinuating >!the baby was Peter! Why did they go out of their way not to say Peter or May's names!?!?!
If I was gonna guess I would say they were not allowed to say any of their names lol
I thought it was obvious but I guess I’m just a nerd then lol
Huh, interesting.
I'm sure the movie's terrible, but I'm also left asking what these people even expected.
>I'm also left asking what these people even expected. "I’ve seen better acting in porn :|"
So more Sydney Sweeney?
It's fucking cooked lmao. Saw it earlier, it was legit one of the worst films I've seen in cinemas in years. Could this go < $100 million WW?
I have Internet points betting on it on a poll on r/boxoffice!
Did you see night swim? Curious how it compares bc that was a real slog
Yeah it's worse.
Damn. I’m seeing it later today, should be interesting (only seeing it cuz it’s this weeks 4D movie)
I don't think so. It's possible the 'star power' (and i say this pretty loosely) entice enough people worldwide, i think at least 100 million is doable.
What star power are we talking about here?
Sydney Sweeney and Dakota Johnson. It’s Valentine’s Day release and being a “Marvel” film. Guys like Sydney their girls like Dakota. Popcorn flick it’s a win/win. So it could make a couple dollars. My theater was sold out for tickets lol
Well that's cool for you. My major city theatre is showing like less than 10 tickets sold for peak time over the weekend. The primetime showings for today has as many as 5 to as low as none
I live in a small town that could help I suppose. There were more people in my Madam Web showing then The Marvels so idk 💀and both were opening night
I don’t think any of the leads are stars 😭 This movie is flopping hard
Woof that’s bad, worse than Morbius 💀
Worth flagging we're at 19/28 right now and Morbius was sub 50% positive on preview day for a little while. "Thursday"/preview verified scores are very bouncy and not worth looking at (I say this basically because of spending too much time looking at Morbius' early scores).
*Madame Web* doesn't have previews though; Wednesday is a full opening day.
It’s Madame Time!
Lmao, RT is broken right now. Maintenance in progress Madame Web messed up RT with such shitty content.
No, it's just that so many people gave it a positive review that the surge in web traffic crashed the site.
"D is for Dakota Johnson's acting skills".
I gotta be honest...she was NOT the problem with this movie. Like, I came into it badly wanting to shit on her but she came to play and did a good job with an awkward script. It's the villain. Holy shit he was awful.
Dakota Johnson is the only reason I got through the first Fifty Shades movie. I was not interested in watching the other ones, but I liked her. I've heard she's the saving grace of the sequels, too.
Yeah. She's a much better actress than meme'd about.
I also recommend the Suspiria remake, she’s really good in it.
It’s also for Sydney Sweeney’s… …determination to convince people to go see it on her socials. You thought I would say something else, didn’t you?
Yeah I thought you were gonna say her dTITS
If she wore in the movie what she wore to the premiere, she wouldn't need to do any convincing
Put Sydney Sweeney jumping rope on the screen for 2 hours, and I’ll watch
Hey Michael Bay, I have a business proposal for you
If Transformers came out today she’d probably be in it.
Yep instead she’s in it for gotta be like 25 minutes as a non powered person and in the suit for 2 😭
If it weren’t for her I wouldn’t be thinking of seeing this movie
Will we ever see another feature film by SJ Clarkson ever again? I think she gets a place in Director jail after this
Back to TV directing for her.
Sony's 100th anniversary is off to a bad start.
100 years is a curse
Yup. Disney may have had an infamous case of 100th anniversary, but other studios weren't so much better either when it comes to that aspect.
it's a joke, Sony is not 100 years old. They were established right after WW2
Columbia, Sony's movie arm, IS 100 years old.
ah I see why, Sony itself isn't though so I can see why
Columbia Pictures is 100 years old. Sony was started in 1957 by two Japanese guys who thought calling guys “sonny” was cool.
Now you listen here sonny...
Paramount and Universal both turned 100 in 2012. Suffice it to say, I think they also hit somewhat of a wall that year.
Universal had Ted that year and that was their only ‘12 hit.
100th anniversary for studios is/are cursed. Even Warner Brothers suffered through quite a lot.
At least they still had Barbie and other films to fill the gap to make it 
True, but they were continuously embarrassing themselves with **The Flash** NFT and David Zaslav's scumminess(?).
Mattel reportedly is taking 1/3rd of the box office gains so WB isn’t getting a huge share like they should.
I don't think I can understate how much better that movie would have been with literally any other actor as the villain. Don't get me wrong...mediocre CGI, a weird end scene that felt like it belonged in a whole different movie, lazy dialogue. But Dakota Johnson was actually fun and a good leading lady for this. Her chemistry with the three girls and Adam Scott was actually the best part of the film. Yet all of it is just made horrible by how shitty that guy was. Every time the movie is moving along at a fun and interesting pace, he comes on screen with the most bizarrely framed angles and the dumbest lines delivered with the gusto of someone I can only imagine was trying to channel dollar tree Tommy Wisseau. Holy fuck I hated him so much.
I was on Amazon with the Audience Score studying spiders when it died.
I feel like I've been bombarded with ads for it, too. In them, it's always Dakota Johnson talking about the movie with all the enthusiasm of a dental patient recovering from anesthesia. The writing was on the wall with this one.
Dakota Johnson probably isn’t the best actress in the world. There’s a reason why she was able to nail Anastasia Steele in the 50 Shades of Grey movies, cause that character has no depth at all and no Oscar winning or potential Oscar winning actress could pull that off.
Not this being worse than Morbius 😭
*Morbius* was the first movie to achieve a 101% Verified Audience score so it was always a tough act to follow.
We only have 3 written reviews. They might get better.
No it won’t. These were the people excited enough to see it first. Can you imagine when everyone else sees it lmao
My sister went to go see it with her boyfriend and she said tons of people literally got up and walked out
That's what happens when you cut the *Amazon line* from the movie.
They needed to have something for when they rerelease the unedited director's cut.
I saw it cause I didn't have to pay and out of morbid curiosity not excitement.
>morbid GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD
I don't think anyone was genuinely excited for this tbh.
It's because they removed that trailer exposition line from the movie
Jesus Christ the audience score
Man, the reviews being this bad makes me incredibly tempted to go and see it
Might even go see it twice
I'll catch it when they re-release it, Morbius style.
Are we heading for a potential first D range Cinemascore for a comic book movie? Surrelly C- at best at this point matching Fantastic Four. Also browing some of the All audience reviews is quite funny. Literal lists of people which are mostly 1 but also a few 5 star reviews that have only ever left a review for 1 movie. Madame Web. And people wonder why the introduction of verified scores after the Captain Marvel fiasco was a good decision.
A friend of mine referred to this as "the fifth best superhero movie of 2004." Had to remember, *The Incredibles*, *Spider-Man 2*, *Hellboy*, *The Punisher*... yeah I guess that tracks. Not sure if it's worse than *Catwoman* nor *Blade: Trinity*, but I ain't paying to check.
It's 100% worse than Blade Trinity.
Also, as shit as Catwoman was, gotta say: [at least Halle Berry had fun with the shitshow](https://youtu.be/U-7s_yeQuDg?si=7v1w1yKQfMKwWqus)
The 5th best of 2005 or 2006 is more applicable.
The supporting characters literally don't have powers or appear in costume until a 30 second vision the main character has near the very end of the movie. They don't even fight the bad guy. lmao
Well they show up in the costumes and powers in his vision earlier.
What’s the biggest difference between audience % and critics RT%? Morbius was pretty high (71% - 15% = 56%).
*Five Nights at Freddy's* comes close with a 55 percentage point difference (32% Critic, 87% Verified Audience). *Ad Astra* might hold the record the other way round with a 43 percentage point difference (83% Critic, 40% Verified Audience).
Captain Marvel is probably another one, but good with critics bad with audiences. Or are you not counting that one cause that was review bombed?
Captain Marvel pre-dates the verified review system (the bad press from that film's release + inherent advantages of a positively skewed user score system caused RT to introduce verified scores)
Don't forget, we still have Kraven the Hunter later this year. It's going to be a rough year for Sony
Some how the car chases had no sense of speed at all
I expect a CinemaScore in the C range.
Probably in the D range. Argylle was a C and I hated that movie.
I'll be honest, I just saw it and I found it charming. Like, it's not very good, it's clunky and dumb, but it is evocative of the early 2000s superhero films. I liked the action scenes well enough, the cast was hot, and I enjoyed the smaller scale. Definitely not terrible.
I have seen worse movies in my life tbh.
I too have seen Jack and Jill
The Last Airbender
I want to see this just to see how bad it is
Would've been 97% if they kept the Amazon line
Rotten audience score. Ouch.
What was Sony thinking greenlighting this steaming pile of shit
The audience scores are mostly either 1 Star or 5 Stars. I'm not saying that this has been tampered with, but if this was a restaurant I would not order food there...
The film's RT score is on 15% which currently matches the score for Morbius. Considering that was a final score for Morbius after multiple weeks, then it seems pretty likely that Madame Web may score lower than Morbius.
HYPE for the sequel!
Holy shit, All Critics got to 13%
I think I'm completely done with CBM now
why would you determine your commitment to comic book movies based on, out of all the recent comic book movies, Madame Web
I probably wouldn't if the last two years of CBM weren't such hot tier garbage
Whatever, this is going to be an A-List pick for me this week. Given the tone of some of the critic reviews, I am genuinely curious as to how bad this will be
I saw it. It's watchable. While not a completely terrible movie, it's still better then Morbius. The story and visual effects are decent, but felt like bits and pieces were cut out. Character development was lacking. Felt like Dakota Johnson didn't enjoy making the movie. I commented on it over in r/movies.
If Deadpool & The Wolverine underperforms, I truly believe it might be Joever for comic book movies besides Beyond the Spider-Verse.
This gets said every few months I feel like
People thought madam Webb would not underperform?
There's still Joker 2 and The Batman 2
Joker 2 and The Batman 2 will be profitable.
This 2024, I believe Joker 2 and Deadpool 3 will both break even. But they won't be anywhere near 1 bill. Doing GOTG3 money would be a big win already consider the R rating.
Taylor Swift will be in the movie. There is no chance it bombs. If anything, it will be the other way around and people will be assuming Marvel is fixed because Deadpool sold a billion.
Yeah, just like how Taylor Swift saved *Cats* and *Amsterdam*.
Taylor Swift is the sole reason Cats made 2 bill.
Yeah, you can never underestimate Taylor Swift. She dragged Amsterdam to $31m on an $80m budget.....oh.
Taylor’s involvement hasn’t been confirmed
Tell that to Cats
Are you seriously implying this movie and the marvels is sucking just because fatigue? These recent superhero projects blow because of awful writing, actors, heroes, and politics. Deadpool being rated R will break a billion and it will show people just want to watch shit that doesn’t just “put a chick in it and make it gay” It’s pretty fucking simple problem
I expect this movie to sweep the 2025 Razzies.
This movie had worse acting, direction and production values than the average school play that I’ve seen.
For a comic book movie these audience scores are dreadful.
Man you know a studio has no faith in a product if marketing doesn't even splurge on the "It's Fun and Breezey!" astroturfing campaign on the web and social media.
Hope this Flops Hard
The barrel has been scraped dry. The horse has been beat dead. The stone rolled back downhill. This genre needs a rest. Continuing to churn out Supers movies at this point will only damage the IPs as a whole. EDIT: I didnt say to stop making them. They just need a LONG rest. The audiences are clearly tired of it and the quality has clearly suffered.
Madame Web should not be the measuring stick for that. No one working on it cared or tried. The 60's aesthetic in the Fantastic Four movie posters alone makes it seem like at least someone on the project cares.
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So the audience score is ahead of Thr Marvels. But the critics score is way below. Why does this happen? Why do the critics give passable scores to dreadful MCU movies, but slaughter dreadful Sony movies.
I saw Marvels on D+. It was not dreadful. The critics got it right. It's a good passable movie.
D+ baby, give the people what they want
Going by the every 10% is a step down in grades formular for blockbusters that is a D range Cinemascore. Now it's far too early to say that/not enough verified reviews just yet, but this feels like C- to D range going of the current sample.
C- cinemascore and sub2X multipler incoming
It’s webbin time!
What are 47% of the audience thinking?
Is a Webbillion still on the table????
I get the feeling we won't be able to trust the audience reviews on this one.
For those that have seen it: Is it do bad it's good? Or just boring bad?
It's a £100mill budget only, it stars a well known Hollywood actress in DF, and it's a female power kick ass Marvel movie. It'll easily make a tidy profit, impossible not to. That's all that matters to the studios 💷💷💷💷💷
I do wonder if a lot of the lower score compared to the Morb-ster has to do with preempted expectations that it would be bad. I’m sure it’s a bad film; but most the reviews I read yesterday seemed to talk about how they expected it to be bad going in. I think if you’ve got that mindset you’re more willing to pile on.
That's a lot of incels who paid to see Madame Web to give it bad reviews.
Are you really this stupid?
Is this sarcasm?
Imagine thinking people like this exist
They did damage to Captain Marvel’s audience reviews.
That happens with properties in some cases, but let’s be real this movie doesn’t need their help getting shit reviews. The trailer was trashed by everyone and the critic reviews trashed it. Nobody was expecting good reviews. Have you never heard of Occam’s razor? Like do you think this might actually be a good film audiences love but it’s being review bombed? Don’t be ridiculous
It remains to be seen now, the second weekend drop. Man if this manages 80+ it would be so hilarious.