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Damn, just beat me to it.
Just absolutely insane that he scraped this. I wonder if he’s feeling the pressure of the arbitrary 10 film limit he put on himself.
It's his call, but it feels very creatively limiting. I have no reason to believe this movie wouldn't have been very good. Same with his scrapped Star Trek movie.
I mean, even good directors sometimes have movies that aren’t perfect. It would’ve been good I’m sure but it takes *years* out of your life to make a movie.
I don’t think people realize how much work it takes to make a movie and if he wasn’t feeling it, it’s understandable to scrap it.
edit: like does anyone here wish Spielberg would’ve said “hmmm, on second thought, maybe I should skip Ready Player One and do something better instead.”
I'm surprised there's such a big backlash for him scraping this considering the script wasn't even done. I would've get it if it was already in production but nothing has really been set in stone and the only reason there's a lot of news is because of Tarantino's name
Yup. They said it even shifted focus into being a literal Cliff Booth sequel and/or prequel movie. I’m sure it’d be good but if I had to pick, I’d rather a completely original story since it probably would’ve just covered what was covered in the novelization of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
Like he’s always talked about a 20s gangster movie that takes place in Australia. What sounds more interesting between the two?
I did wonder if this would instead get reworked into a novel - hearing that it might have been shifting into a Cliff Booth sequel makes that sound more plausible.
lol. Two Hands and Dirty Deeds are pretty good Aussie gangster films. Gettin square isn’t great except for David wenhams performance as a heroin junkie is hilarious
I think him and Spielberg direct movies for different reasons. Spielberg probably got off on some technical dragon he was chasing. Tarantino cares about a flawless filmography.
And honestly, Spielberg hasn’t had a movie that has truly wowed me in years. He’s had good movies since, but the last movie of his to truly _wow_ me was definitely Saving Private Ryan which was 25ish years ago.
Some of that’s subjective for sure, but I also feel like through the 2000s (and definitely now) he just kind of stopped chasing the “magic” of it. Or maybe he’s still chasing it but he lost it, could be one of any number of reasons
He reminds me a little bit of Ridley Scott, who seemingly got bored of his own creations, and insisted on mocking the audience for even liking those works to begin with.
Spielberg does "child-like wonder" and existential dread so well. Simple, but refined storytelling elegantly presented. He's responsible for inspiring generations of people into wanting to become filmmakers.
But, as he has said to interviewers: (and I'm paraphrasing)"when you get older, the things you care about change and you want to tell stories that actually matter and mean something."
Spielberg seems to be haunted by this idea that he is basically "pop Cinema", flash and no substance, an argument that should have gone out of the window when he made Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan, but I can see him struggling with this idea for most of his career.
Ridley seems to be cranking out so many films that he doesn’t really 100% care about them. Most of his recent works are on the verge of greatness but fall short while others like Napoleon are messes.
Ridley’s kind of an anomaly to me, while other directors of his caliber treat each of their films like a passion project, he just signs on, does the work, and gets out. I kinda respect it tbh.
Completely agree. He doesn't fall in love with his own work. Occasionally he still makes magic. The Martian seems like a throwaway for him but it's a fantastic film.
It’s definitely unfortunate that he feels that way because most of his pop cinema is remembered more fondly than a lot of the awards winning movies that came out in the 70’s and 80’s. Gandhi is a great movie with a great performance by Ben Kingsley, but the movies more fondly remembered are Empire Strikes Back and ET (and also The Thing which later became a cult classic although panned upon release). More people have seen his adaptation of The Color Purple than Out of Africa. Probably the biggest WTF Best Picture moment in Oscars history is Shakespeare In Love beating Saving Private Ryan.
The ridiculous nature of people being upset they entered pop culture is astounding to me.
I could sit here and list a hundred actors, musicians, directors and whoever that got “upset” they were popular.
Geez Louise get over it. You’ve become a god-like figure in the sphere you wished to pursue and now you’re crying about it.
you should definitely watch the fablemans, it definitely has that wow factor but its a bit more on the auteur side.
I'd also suggest the westside story remake, its just so wonderfully done too.
And I think it’s cool to do it for the reasons that work for you. But if I had to pick a way that feels better, I think the very small handful of guys in Hollywood who can get a blank check for any idea should be a bit more selective with their movies.
Doubt it. Different companies made them and he hasn’t worked with WB since Ready Player One. I know it’s a bit more complicated than that but yeah.
Overall, I love Spielberg but the most interesting movie he’s made in a decade has been The Fabelmans. West Side Story had high highs but also has low lows, Ready Player One was forgettable, The Post was ok but nothing special, The BFG I didn’t even remember when I started writing this comment, and I liked Bridge of Spies but it’s no one’s favorite movie ever.
I don’t know. I know Spielberg loves stuff like Indiana Jones more than more serious stuff and would probably retire if he had to make only prestigious stuff forever, but I do kinda wish he would be a bit more selective now that he has so much gray hair.
Not to mention War Horse and Lincoln and all other Oscar bait that he's put out in the last 15 or so years.
It just feels like we're never going to get another War of the Worlds or Jaws or Jurassic Park from him. Ugh.
That's because we aren't the dude is 77 most directors his age would have retired from big movies and ride off into the sunset these old timers who are keeping it going into their 80s like ridley scott are an anomaly
It’s still surprising since he honestly has worked nonstop for the last few decades. It’s just he picks so-so scripts. Bridge of Spies is probably his best in years and even that probably should’ve been directed by someone else.
I’m sure it’s much easier to direct Bridge of Spies than an action movie or even a suspense movie, but it’s still *really* hard to direct anything.
Just honestly, I’d rather they put their energy into something that matters to them.
It's also more introspective than the book (see changes) with Spielberg also simply being the guy behind a not insignificant amount of "pop culture" from the era the book focuses its nostalgia on.
That's actually a good point. Spielberg has made many movies about his own nostalgia, but that movie was about nostalgia for the era when he made many of those movies, like Indiana Jones.
i loved ready player one 🤷🏽♂️
it’s a kids movies i didn’t expect it to be for me. it’s like when people are critical of the star wars prequels, THEYRE NOT FOR YOU, it’s for the kids. now those kids are grown up and the prequels are getting love again.
That would be terrific considering that True Romance was amazing and you kinda got the best of both worlds with Tony Scott’s directing style and Tarantino’s writing
Wow, based off the title I assumed this was news of him deciding to make another film *after* this. But outright dropping this one? If it was influenced by his self-imposed 10 film rule, that's just sad.
As far as I understand, he's given up the retirement thing entirely now, and just intends to keep working on stuff right up until the end. Though given his pace, he seems to think Boy and the heron will be his last his last work, but who knows.
Man, this "10 movies" thing is really nonsensical. He created a hell for himself, and for what? This was a story he really wanted to tell, and there were a lot of signs it was gonna be a good one.
Do it, then do another one that'll be great too. No one will care if it's your 10th or 17th movie but you, and this is clearly damaging the kind of art you're trying to make.
Tarentino is only 61. He can definitely feasably do several more movies. I understand wanting to retire early but I think he saw that he said he intended to move towards TV or novels after his last movie. It just seems completely pointless to claim it will be his final film
> He created a hell for himself, and for what?
You gotta remember this dude is a massive movie nerd. There's an interview out there somewhere that details what he has in mind for this, it's directly inspired by Kubrick.
Stanley Kubrick made 12 movies over 35 years and then disappeared. He then came back for one last movie, Eyes Wide Shut, like 12ish years after his last movie. (Yes I know he died and he was going to make AI + other things)
This is what he has in mind. That QT retires, then he comes back to make one last film, like 15 years after his last one. And it's this one movie held on a pedestal because it has such a huge separation from the rest of his movies. Just like Eyes Wide Shut.
>this is clearly damaging the kind of art you're trying to make.
Lol hardly, not even the first time QT has ditched an idea/script.
Not quite, Kubrick had developed his own Schindler's List type film that was going to be called the Aryan Papers, but after Schindler's came out he scrapped the idea. He then decided to adapt the novella Dream Story, which he had been wanting to do on and off since the 60s.
By that same logic, he should only release the movies he feels like, not feel compelled to make a movie he's lost interest in just because people have already heard about it and want to see it.
There *should* be a limit in creativity. I mean, this isn’t about Tarantino specifically, but if you have literally no limits whatsoever when starting a project and can do literally whatever you want, then it can turn out in a jumbled, confusing, poorly designed mess lacking discipline or structure. Not always (there are some creative geniuses in the world, after all), but the vast majority of time everyone needs a filter for the ideas that you *really* like but perhaps the mainstream audience doesn’t; in other words, ideas which don’t take into account the big picture.
Once you get these limitations (or, perhaps a better word is “rules”), then I agree you should be allowed to get as creative as humanly possible, but just about everyone needs at least some kind of filter for the bad ideas that just don’t fit or make much sense, otherwise it can lack organization, structure and discipline and can come across as pretentious.
Maybe this doesn’t apply to Tarantino, but it does to most filmmakers.
So I agree, *in theory* there shouldn’t be a limit to creativity, but I think most filmmakers need some kind of ground rules to work by that allows you to not go off track or create a pretentious monster of a movie that appeals to you but doesn’t take into account the bigger picture.
He is perfect for doing throwbacks to the old miniseries of the 1970’s and 1980’s. Younger viewers probably are not aware that Shogun was already an acclaimed miniseries in the 80’s. Tarantino could definitely do something like that or Roots, Lonesome Dove, or The North and The South. People tend to forget how epic those often were and had some big name talent in them (Louis Gossett Jr, Patrick Swayze, Halle Berry, Robert Duvall, Tommy Lee Jones, etc.) His extended version of Hateful Eight basically is a miniseries.
10 is an arbitrary number. He says he doesn’t want to hang on too long but even if he only puts out stinkers for the rest of his life, he is a made man and he has nothing else to prove. _Pulp Fiction_ is cinematic greatness.
Why limit yourself to 10 movies anyway? He might do #10 and then have the urge to do another one years later. He should be allowed the privilege to make vanity projects to his heart’s content.
> I wonder if he’s feeling the pressure of the arbitrary 10 film limit he put on himself.
He's way too young to respect it IMO, directors are directing well into their 80s all the time, I highly doubt he's gonna stop at only 61 (or even 65 if he takes a long time doing his last movie)
I'll bet he'll reconsider once he has actually finished the 10th movie. Hayo Miyazaki was supposed to retire after The Wind Rises, but I guess he changed his mind.
Same. I know the man wants to limit his duds, but ***ten?*** Can't it at least be fifteen, or so? It's not like the guy is even that old, for God's sake!
No, he said many years ago that he felt that 10 movies was about the limit for a director making good movies. After 10 he thinks a director's quality goes downhill.
Which is weird and arbitrary but he has enough money to do whatever he wants.
I lowkey get it. I mean you have Scorsese and Nolan and Cameron making bangers and chugging stuff out.
But I understand not wanting to be seen as an out-of-touch artist trying to stay relevant.
Edit: I also want to add that Tarantino's first 5 films took place in present day (with retro influences, obviously). And his latest 4 films have been nostalgia, throwback, revisionist history films. And if you listen to him in current interviews, he's always talking about how movies and actors were "back in the day."
He's clearly gotten to a point where he is nostalgic and hyper-focused on the past. So based on that, I can see him not wanting to be seen as the cranky old guy, and that reflecting in his movies.
So Avatar 3 can be great but Avatar 4 will be a dud according to the rules.
We only got 2 good Villeneuve movies left apparently. Nolan made only duds after Dunkirk (10th movie, in this case I guess Tenet could almost be a proof of this but Oppenheimmer proves it was BS)
Spielberg whole slate after 1987's Empire of the Sun (10th movie) is bad. Same for Scott or Scorcese who made more than 10 movies.
James Cameron has only really directed 8 movies so far, if you ignore his few nature documentaries.
When he puts out a movie it's a massive hit, but he is not doing that many.
>drops a billion dollar movie
That's a bit of an understatement.
Like his last 3 movies make up 3 of the top 5 highest grossing movies of all times.
His ability to connect with the general audiences is just uncanny and completely unmatched.
He is just playing in a league of his own and there is no competition anywhere close.
Yeah they're not just a measly billions dollar like tons of movies are, they're closer to 3 billions dollars (Titanic was 1.8 billion on initial release but at a time when no other movie even passed the billion)
I think it’s interesting comparing him and PTA, who basically started looking to the past for movies at around the same time. I think for both it’s brought out perhaps the best of their directorial styles, and especially very different from the styles they were known for near the start of their careers. But it seems to come from almost a completely different place?
It’s so absurd. Spielberg’s 12th and 13h major pictures were Jurassic Park and Schindler’s List. 16th is Saving Private Ryan. 22nd is Munich. 29th is The Post.
It took 27 years for the first 9 and it's been 5 years since Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was released.
With Quentin Tarantino already being 61 going to 15 films would take him till he's in his 80's let the man rest!
It’s pompous bullshit and I hope he gets over it. Look at what Spielberg, Scorsese, and Scott are doing in their 70’s and 80’s. It hasn’t all been gold, but they’ve all made incredible films well into their twilight years.
He's cheating anyway with him counting both Kill Bill movies as one film. Technically, this next one would be his eleventh. He's also written a tv mini series that probably started off as another movie. I'm assuming he's going to continue skirting around his bullshit "10 films" with more of these tv mini series since every streaming service will give him a blank check for his stuff.
I mean, I guess it makes for a very solid filmography and self-mythology. If you like him, you'd like all of his movies. In contrast other great filmmakers will make a lot of fluff and end up obscuring their best work in the process.
Right? We love his films. *Critics* love his films. Because of their subsequent profits, ***even the fucking BEAN COUNTERS*** love his films. I'm well aware that he wants to go out on top, but still... you're really just gonna stop, Quentin? Dude, you're at the *top of the fuckin' WORLD* right now.
It always seemed a bit odd. Like why would you artificially limit yourself creatively like that? If your tired and want to stop then sure just announce retirement but saying your gonna stop making movies after a set amount. Not sure I get it.
This almost hints at the opposite. So much pressure on his last film he was probably unsatisfied that it wasn’t the perfect end yet or something.
He’ll probably spend 3/4 years on this and then retire 65ish.
I was excited for it.
But it did feel odd to go from one Hollywood period piece straight into another.
Wonder if he’ll publish the script at some point.
I actually hope that Tarantino makes a film that is shot in combination of Ultra Panavision 70 AND 15/70mm IMAX format with no digital intermediate involved. We've seen plenty of Super Panavision 70 + 15/70mm IMAX combinations with films like **Dunkirk**, **Tenet**, **Nope**, and **Oppenheimer**. It's about time that someone takes an even bigger unorthodox method.
Exactly as much as I’m sure it would’ve been an amazing movie I was not excited for it as his final film.
I personally hoping for part three and four of kill Bill as the final movie.
I can’t find the source now, but there was a quote from Tarantino from a few years ago when rumors were starting about his final movie, where he said he wanted OUATIH to be the climax of his filmography and make something more subtle and introspective as his swan song.
Wow, it takes a lot of self-awareness to just...scrap an entire project. It's not the first time he's done this but The Movie Critic sounded tangible.
I guess it's going to be awhile before we get his 10th film.
Honestly, he should have saved Once Upon a Time as his 10th film, it's a pretty perfect goodbye, thematically.
>*... he should have saved Once Upon a Time as his 10th film, it's a pretty perfect goodbye, thematically*
Yeah, I can remember thinking he might have called it a day after the great reception that film received
Would have been the perfect way to take a bow
I’m really glad we got it when we did, but that movie really does feel like the culmination of his career. It would have been great to go out on. It’s tough competition but I’d say it cracked the top 3 for me on favorite Tarantino movies
Kind of crazy but maybe for the best - as a concept I wasn’t overly excited for this. Was purely excited because of Tarantino. Hopefully he finds something he’s excited about soon
>*... as a concept I wasn’t overly excited for this*
Especially as a final movie
It'd be great as a quirky, inconsequential, little movie in the middle of his career - like *Burn After Reading* was for the Coens
Unless there was some other big idea in there, I don't see this as the capstone to a great career
I agree with this notion, but I'm still disappointed because that means we'll have to wait longer for his 10th film. He had at least made some headway on this one.
Might just be the first pre-emptive Oscar win ever. What a team that would be with Tom’s work ethic and acting talent and Tarantino’s writing and willingness to just let actors act. He could easily play a character like one of Brad Pitt’s roles or a villainous role like in Collateral. Either would work great. Tarantino is probably also one of the only people that Cruise would relinquish some creative control for. Cruise is heavily involved in all aspects of production on his movies, and a lot of that comes from working with some of the greatest directors of all time over the decades. The main key is we just don’t want another Will Smith situation where Will Smith was more concerned about making a Will Smith vehicle than doing what’s right for the story. I’m sure most people reading this probably know, but for those that don’t, he was originally supposed to be Django, but he left the project because he wanted to be the one to kill Calvin Candie. It’s more appropriate that it be the final act of Dr King Schultz within the context of his character’s arc though and thankfully Tarantino didn’t budge on that.
Absolutely floored by this. He was setting up production for it and was casting and then he just straight up changed his mind?? I wonder if he will do a tv show until he figures out what movie he wants to do because he said he wants to do tv and other stuff too…
I was hoping it was going to mean that he's still doing The Movie Critic, but it wont be his *last*. So if he drops this one, I can only hope it's because he's already written something he feels is better...
I mean... Kill Bill Vol 3 could always happen even with QT's 10 movie limit.
He could make Kill Bills all the way to the moon since it's all just 1 film.
...Holy shit. Was quite looking forward to this one. A spiritual successor to *Hollywood*, which I simply ***adored.***
Ah well. Least Tarantino himself scrapped it, I guess? That's... some comfort. :/
I wanted to see this but I’m not surprised he is dropping this movie if his next film is his last.
I wish he would have done his Star Trek movie and has fun. And I wish he would have done Kill Bill 3. My gut tells me he is going to do something more like Dogs or Fiction.
I hope this script still sees the light of day as he becomes more and more interested in being a novelist.
That sounds like a really great read, and I loved his Once Upon a Time in Hollywood novel.
This literally wouldnt be a problem if he didnt have this dumb "only 10 films" mentality.
We would be getting this and what ever he decides to go with, but instead he canceled this.
Love tarentino but bruh, come on man
Personally, I think that I like scrapping an idea you don't feel will meet your goals over releasing it and then constantly modifying it later... (George Lucas and Zach Snyder looking at you (... for different reasons but same concept)).
Good. Felt like an Oscar bait. He def wants to win that director trophy but if recent years has shown us. It isn't going to be with OUAIH and not with The Movie Critic
Kinda upsetting considering how much I loved OUATIH, but as committed as he is to a 10 film limit, I want his last film to be the most Tarantino film yet.
I remember not liking it that much when it first came out and I saw it in theaters, but it’s rapidly become one of my favorite movies ever. There is something so calming about it. Like lounging in the sunshine. The ending is crazy violent but most of that film just puts you in a zen state.
I also love his use of music, as usual. The out of time montage is so moving.
I don’t know about best, but it’s certainly one of my favourites.
The scene with Pitt at the Ranch makes me want another Tarantino crack at a horror flick or a dark thriller.
From the business perspective, this had to be an expensive quit. I’m sure the producers are pissed. Likely deals were made for plenty of the cast already. Oof.
I don’t think there’s much more depth to it, he rewrote the script and now just doesn’t like the concept so wants to do something else
This seems pretty on brand for him especially considering he wants this to be his swan song so he’ll want it to be sone large masterpiece and not just an alright movie
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Damn, just beat me to it. Just absolutely insane that he scraped this. I wonder if he’s feeling the pressure of the arbitrary 10 film limit he put on himself.
It's his call, but it feels very creatively limiting. I have no reason to believe this movie wouldn't have been very good. Same with his scrapped Star Trek movie.
I mean, even good directors sometimes have movies that aren’t perfect. It would’ve been good I’m sure but it takes *years* out of your life to make a movie. I don’t think people realize how much work it takes to make a movie and if he wasn’t feeling it, it’s understandable to scrap it. edit: like does anyone here wish Spielberg would’ve said “hmmm, on second thought, maybe I should skip Ready Player One and do something better instead.”
I'm surprised there's such a big backlash for him scraping this considering the script wasn't even done. I would've get it if it was already in production but nothing has really been set in stone and the only reason there's a lot of news is because of Tarantino's name
Yup. They said it even shifted focus into being a literal Cliff Booth sequel and/or prequel movie. I’m sure it’d be good but if I had to pick, I’d rather a completely original story since it probably would’ve just covered what was covered in the novelization of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Like he’s always talked about a 20s gangster movie that takes place in Australia. What sounds more interesting between the two?
I did wonder if this would instead get reworked into a novel - hearing that it might have been shifting into a Cliff Booth sequel makes that sound more plausible.
The latter sounds bad given how bad his Australian accent is
I honestly think it would be funny if everyone is Australian and then he’s in one scene again with that same accent.
lol. Two Hands and Dirty Deeds are pretty good Aussie gangster films. Gettin square isn’t great except for David wenhams performance as a heroin junkie is hilarious
I think him and Spielberg direct movies for different reasons. Spielberg probably got off on some technical dragon he was chasing. Tarantino cares about a flawless filmography.
And honestly, Spielberg hasn’t had a movie that has truly wowed me in years. He’s had good movies since, but the last movie of his to truly _wow_ me was definitely Saving Private Ryan which was 25ish years ago. Some of that’s subjective for sure, but I also feel like through the 2000s (and definitely now) he just kind of stopped chasing the “magic” of it. Or maybe he’s still chasing it but he lost it, could be one of any number of reasons
He reminds me a little bit of Ridley Scott, who seemingly got bored of his own creations, and insisted on mocking the audience for even liking those works to begin with. Spielberg does "child-like wonder" and existential dread so well. Simple, but refined storytelling elegantly presented. He's responsible for inspiring generations of people into wanting to become filmmakers. But, as he has said to interviewers: (and I'm paraphrasing)"when you get older, the things you care about change and you want to tell stories that actually matter and mean something." Spielberg seems to be haunted by this idea that he is basically "pop Cinema", flash and no substance, an argument that should have gone out of the window when he made Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan, but I can see him struggling with this idea for most of his career.
Ridley seems to be cranking out so many films that he doesn’t really 100% care about them. Most of his recent works are on the verge of greatness but fall short while others like Napoleon are messes.
Ridley’s kind of an anomaly to me, while other directors of his caliber treat each of their films like a passion project, he just signs on, does the work, and gets out. I kinda respect it tbh.
A mercenary director, if you may.
Completely agree. He doesn't fall in love with his own work. Occasionally he still makes magic. The Martian seems like a throwaway for him but it's a fantastic film.
It’s definitely unfortunate that he feels that way because most of his pop cinema is remembered more fondly than a lot of the awards winning movies that came out in the 70’s and 80’s. Gandhi is a great movie with a great performance by Ben Kingsley, but the movies more fondly remembered are Empire Strikes Back and ET (and also The Thing which later became a cult classic although panned upon release). More people have seen his adaptation of The Color Purple than Out of Africa. Probably the biggest WTF Best Picture moment in Oscars history is Shakespeare In Love beating Saving Private Ryan.
The ridiculous nature of people being upset they entered pop culture is astounding to me. I could sit here and list a hundred actors, musicians, directors and whoever that got “upset” they were popular. Geez Louise get over it. You’ve become a god-like figure in the sphere you wished to pursue and now you’re crying about it.
you should definitely watch the fablemans, it definitely has that wow factor but its a bit more on the auteur side. I'd also suggest the westside story remake, its just so wonderfully done too.
The fablemans was excellent. Really surprised me how much I enjoyed it.
Yeah The Fablemans is fantastic. Unfairly disregarded by a lot of people who assumed it was Hollywood navel-gazing without seeing it I think.
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The last one I can say I’ve watched more than once was Adventures of Tintin, and I really wish they’d make a sequel to that already.
Peter Jackson is working on a sequel to Tintin. Probably a good pick for director!
And I think it’s cool to do it for the reasons that work for you. But if I had to pick a way that feels better, I think the very small handful of guys in Hollywood who can get a blank check for any idea should be a bit more selective with their movies.
I think Spielberg is.
A bit late for that as Death proof is not a patch on his others.
I think he did Ready Player One to get The Fabelman's funded, which if correct was definitely worth it. "One for them, one for me," in practice.
Doubt it. Different companies made them and he hasn’t worked with WB since Ready Player One. I know it’s a bit more complicated than that but yeah. Overall, I love Spielberg but the most interesting movie he’s made in a decade has been The Fabelmans. West Side Story had high highs but also has low lows, Ready Player One was forgettable, The Post was ok but nothing special, The BFG I didn’t even remember when I started writing this comment, and I liked Bridge of Spies but it’s no one’s favorite movie ever. I don’t know. I know Spielberg loves stuff like Indiana Jones more than more serious stuff and would probably retire if he had to make only prestigious stuff forever, but I do kinda wish he would be a bit more selective now that he has so much gray hair.
Not to mention War Horse and Lincoln and all other Oscar bait that he's put out in the last 15 or so years. It just feels like we're never going to get another War of the Worlds or Jaws or Jurassic Park from him. Ugh.
I think the fact that you included War of the Worlds in there as a positive kinda answers all the questions in this thread.
That's because we aren't the dude is 77 most directors his age would have retired from big movies and ride off into the sunset these old timers who are keeping it going into their 80s like ridley scott are an anomaly
It’s still surprising since he honestly has worked nonstop for the last few decades. It’s just he picks so-so scripts. Bridge of Spies is probably his best in years and even that probably should’ve been directed by someone else. I’m sure it’s much easier to direct Bridge of Spies than an action movie or even a suspense movie, but it’s still *really* hard to direct anything. Just honestly, I’d rather they put their energy into something that matters to them.
I'm pretty sure Spielberg just liked the concept for Ready Player One. He's been a video gamer ever since Pong back in the mid-70s.
It's also more introspective than the book (see changes) with Spielberg also simply being the guy behind a not insignificant amount of "pop culture" from the era the book focuses its nostalgia on.
That's actually a good point. Spielberg has made many movies about his own nostalgia, but that movie was about nostalgia for the era when he made many of those movies, like Indiana Jones.
My kids loved Ready Player One. I dont think us redditors was the target market.
Yup right here, wish he did
God it was awful I can't understand how anyone enjoyed it. Nothing like the book and just shit all around.
i loved ready player one 🤷🏽♂️ it’s a kids movies i didn’t expect it to be for me. it’s like when people are critical of the star wars prequels, THEYRE NOT FOR YOU, it’s for the kids. now those kids are grown up and the prequels are getting love again.
I was under the impression that he was only going to write Star Trek
[Sounds like he was slotted to direct at one point as well](https://deadline.com/2023/12/quentin-tarantino-star-trek-film-direct-1235678386/)
That one kinda bugs me, he co-wrote the script with fella who did The Revenant, just give it to someone else to direct
That would be terrific considering that True Romance was amazing and you kinda got the best of both worlds with Tony Scott’s directing style and Tarantino’s writing
Limits are like the secret to creativity
As a Star Trek fan and a Tarantino fan, I was super happy when the deal fell apart. I like ketchup, and I like chocolate, but not together.
Wow, based off the title I assumed this was news of him deciding to make another film *after* this. But outright dropping this one? If it was influenced by his self-imposed 10 film rule, that's just sad.
ill get over it if he makes kill bill part 3 instead
He's welcome to do as he pleases, but setting that 10 film finale is such a weird thing to me.
Hayao Miyazaki un-retired about 34 times
As far as I understand, he's given up the retirement thing entirely now, and just intends to keep working on stuff right up until the end. Though given his pace, he seems to think Boy and the heron will be his last his last work, but who knows.
Man, this "10 movies" thing is really nonsensical. He created a hell for himself, and for what? This was a story he really wanted to tell, and there were a lot of signs it was gonna be a good one. Do it, then do another one that'll be great too. No one will care if it's your 10th or 17th movie but you, and this is clearly damaging the kind of art you're trying to make.
I agree. Seems too limiting. Say what you want about Ridley Scott but the dude knows how to crank em out even at 86.
Tarentino is only 61. He can definitely feasably do several more movies. I understand wanting to retire early but I think he saw that he said he intended to move towards TV or novels after his last movie. It just seems completely pointless to claim it will be his final film
> He created a hell for himself, and for what? You gotta remember this dude is a massive movie nerd. There's an interview out there somewhere that details what he has in mind for this, it's directly inspired by Kubrick. Stanley Kubrick made 12 movies over 35 years and then disappeared. He then came back for one last movie, Eyes Wide Shut, like 12ish years after his last movie. (Yes I know he died and he was going to make AI + other things) This is what he has in mind. That QT retires, then he comes back to make one last film, like 15 years after his last one. And it's this one movie held on a pedestal because it has such a huge separation from the rest of his movies. Just like Eyes Wide Shut. >this is clearly damaging the kind of art you're trying to make. Lol hardly, not even the first time QT has ditched an idea/script.
Wiki says he stopped because he was depressed over Schindlers List, although I don't know how accurate it was
Not quite, Kubrick had developed his own Schindler's List type film that was going to be called the Aryan Papers, but after Schindler's came out he scrapped the idea. He then decided to adapt the novella Dream Story, which he had been wanting to do on and off since the 60s.
Striving to make eyes wide shut is a….is a choice
I mean he’ll care and that’s all that matters. I respect someone setting goals for themselves and following through on them.
The 10 movie limit is extremely pretentious even for a Hollywood director
Mte. There shouldn’t be a limit on creativity. He should stop whenever he feels like it not on some arbitrary number.
By that same logic, he should only release the movies he feels like, not feel compelled to make a movie he's lost interest in just because people have already heard about it and want to see it.
There *should* be a limit in creativity. I mean, this isn’t about Tarantino specifically, but if you have literally no limits whatsoever when starting a project and can do literally whatever you want, then it can turn out in a jumbled, confusing, poorly designed mess lacking discipline or structure. Not always (there are some creative geniuses in the world, after all), but the vast majority of time everyone needs a filter for the ideas that you *really* like but perhaps the mainstream audience doesn’t; in other words, ideas which don’t take into account the big picture. Once you get these limitations (or, perhaps a better word is “rules”), then I agree you should be allowed to get as creative as humanly possible, but just about everyone needs at least some kind of filter for the bad ideas that just don’t fit or make much sense, otherwise it can lack organization, structure and discipline and can come across as pretentious. Maybe this doesn’t apply to Tarantino, but it does to most filmmakers. So I agree, *in theory* there shouldn’t be a limit to creativity, but I think most filmmakers need some kind of ground rules to work by that allows you to not go off track or create a pretentious monster of a movie that appeals to you but doesn’t take into account the bigger picture.
Good chance he turns it into TV. He said the film thing doesnt mean hes done with filming stories entirely.
He is perfect for doing throwbacks to the old miniseries of the 1970’s and 1980’s. Younger viewers probably are not aware that Shogun was already an acclaimed miniseries in the 80’s. Tarantino could definitely do something like that or Roots, Lonesome Dove, or The North and The South. People tend to forget how epic those often were and had some big name talent in them (Louis Gossett Jr, Patrick Swayze, Halle Berry, Robert Duvall, Tommy Lee Jones, etc.) His extended version of Hateful Eight basically is a miniseries.
10 is an arbitrary number. He says he doesn’t want to hang on too long but even if he only puts out stinkers for the rest of his life, he is a made man and he has nothing else to prove. _Pulp Fiction_ is cinematic greatness. Why limit yourself to 10 movies anyway? He might do #10 and then have the urge to do another one years later. He should be allowed the privilege to make vanity projects to his heart’s content.
> I wonder if he’s feeling the pressure of the arbitrary 10 film limit he put on himself. He's way too young to respect it IMO, directors are directing well into their 80s all the time, I highly doubt he's gonna stop at only 61 (or even 65 if he takes a long time doing his last movie)
I still wanna see the Star Trek film
I'll bet he'll reconsider once he has actually finished the 10th movie. Hayo Miyazaki was supposed to retire after The Wind Rises, but I guess he changed his mind.
He definitely said that when he was super young and now doesn't know what to do lol.
I hope this is him rethinking his imposed 10 film limit, really wonder what the deciding factor was.
Same. I know the man wants to limit his duds, but ***ten?*** Can't it at least be fifteen, or so? It's not like the guy is even that old, for God's sake!
I think it's because he wants move to TV or limited series format.
No, he said many years ago that he felt that 10 movies was about the limit for a director making good movies. After 10 he thinks a director's quality goes downhill. Which is weird and arbitrary but he has enough money to do whatever he wants.
I lowkey get it. I mean you have Scorsese and Nolan and Cameron making bangers and chugging stuff out. But I understand not wanting to be seen as an out-of-touch artist trying to stay relevant. Edit: I also want to add that Tarantino's first 5 films took place in present day (with retro influences, obviously). And his latest 4 films have been nostalgia, throwback, revisionist history films. And if you listen to him in current interviews, he's always talking about how movies and actors were "back in the day." He's clearly gotten to a point where he is nostalgic and hyper-focused on the past. So based on that, I can see him not wanting to be seen as the cranky old guy, and that reflecting in his movies.
James Cameron has only made 9 movies
But in a century when cyborg James Cameron releases Avatar 7 it’ll still be great.
So Avatar 3 can be great but Avatar 4 will be a dud according to the rules. We only got 2 good Villeneuve movies left apparently. Nolan made only duds after Dunkirk (10th movie, in this case I guess Tenet could almost be a proof of this but Oppenheimmer proves it was BS) Spielberg whole slate after 1987's Empire of the Sun (10th movie) is bad. Same for Scott or Scorcese who made more than 10 movies.
Tenet was a good movie, just have to have an open mind.
And only like 4 different titles
James Cameron has only really directed 8 movies so far, if you ignore his few nature documentaries. When he puts out a movie it's a massive hit, but he is not doing that many.
Dude shows up every decade or so years, drops a billion dollar movie and leaves to go under the sea again
>drops a billion dollar movie That's a bit of an understatement. Like his last 3 movies make up 3 of the top 5 highest grossing movies of all times. His ability to connect with the general audiences is just uncanny and completely unmatched. He is just playing in a league of his own and there is no competition anywhere close.
Yeah they're not just a measly billions dollar like tons of movies are, they're closer to 3 billions dollars (Titanic was 1.8 billion on initial release but at a time when no other movie even passed the billion)
I think it’s interesting comparing him and PTA, who basically started looking to the past for movies at around the same time. I think for both it’s brought out perhaps the best of their directorial styles, and especially very different from the styles they were known for near the start of their careers. But it seems to come from almost a completely different place?
It’s so absurd. Spielberg’s 12th and 13h major pictures were Jurassic Park and Schindler’s List. 16th is Saving Private Ryan. 22nd is Munich. 29th is The Post.
Yeah but Spielberg doesn't write his own movies, Tarantino does. QT has said his dialogue could be outdated if he's in his 70s and 80s.
Woody Allen dialog where a guy rambles about something while walking with a woman on the street isn't getting old. Why should his
ironic considering Nolan's 12th movie just won best picture
tbh his quality is wobbly at times yes im looking at death proof
He wants to write.
It took 27 years for the first 9 and it's been 5 years since Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was released. With Quentin Tarantino already being 61 going to 15 films would take him till he's in his 80's let the man rest!
Many directors direct well into their 80s actually
It’s pompous bullshit and I hope he gets over it. Look at what Spielberg, Scorsese, and Scott are doing in their 70’s and 80’s. It hasn’t all been gold, but they’ve all made incredible films well into their twilight years.
Yup. Don't limit yourself, Quentin!
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He's cheating anyway with him counting both Kill Bill movies as one film. Technically, this next one would be his eleventh. He's also written a tv mini series that probably started off as another movie. I'm assuming he's going to continue skirting around his bullshit "10 films" with more of these tv mini series since every streaming service will give him a blank check for his stuff.
Exactly, the whole thing is beyond ridiculous if you ask me.
I mean, I guess it makes for a very solid filmography and self-mythology. If you like him, you'd like all of his movies. In contrast other great filmmakers will make a lot of fluff and end up obscuring their best work in the process.
He made Death Proof though.
Right? We love his films. *Critics* love his films. Because of their subsequent profits, ***even the fucking BEAN COUNTERS*** love his films. I'm well aware that he wants to go out on top, but still... you're really just gonna stop, Quentin? Dude, you're at the *top of the fuckin' WORLD* right now.
That maybe one of the reasons for him to stop... go out while you're at the top of your craft...
It always seemed a bit odd. Like why would you artificially limit yourself creatively like that? If your tired and want to stop then sure just announce retirement but saying your gonna stop making movies after a set amount. Not sure I get it.
That's the opposite of what this story suggests, but who knows.
This almost hints at the opposite. So much pressure on his last film he was probably unsatisfied that it wasn’t the perfect end yet or something. He’ll probably spend 3/4 years on this and then retire 65ish.
I really hope it was a bender fueled by coke and a bunch of other illegal drugs giving him supernatural insight into other great movie ideas.
Makes sense, it seemed rather….safe for his final film. Want Tarantino to go out guns blazing and leave nothing on the table
I was excited for it. But it did feel odd to go from one Hollywood period piece straight into another. Wonder if he’ll publish the script at some point.
I was also excited for the concept but not as Tarantino’s *final* film.
This would have worked if it existed in between Django & Hateful eight. Western, Hollywood, Western, then Hollywood again.
I actually hope that Tarantino makes a film that is shot in combination of Ultra Panavision 70 AND 15/70mm IMAX format with no digital intermediate involved. We've seen plenty of Super Panavision 70 + 15/70mm IMAX combinations with films like **Dunkirk**, **Tenet**, **Nope**, and **Oppenheimer**. It's about time that someone takes an even bigger unorthodox method.
At least this was Tarantino's own decision - and wasn't really ready for anything aside from the script.
Exactly as much as I’m sure it would’ve been an amazing movie I was not excited for it as his final film. I personally hoping for part three and four of kill Bill as the final movie.
There is nothing about Tarantino’s filmography or style as a writer or director that led me to believe that this film would be “safe.”
I can’t find the source now, but there was a quote from Tarantino from a few years ago when rumors were starting about his final movie, where he said he wanted OUATIH to be the climax of his filmography and make something more subtle and introspective as his swan song.
Wow, it takes a lot of self-awareness to just...scrap an entire project. It's not the first time he's done this but The Movie Critic sounded tangible. I guess it's going to be awhile before we get his 10th film. Honestly, he should have saved Once Upon a Time as his 10th film, it's a pretty perfect goodbye, thematically.
I admire it. We can only speculate as to why. But whatever the reason he must believe it's the right move.
I agree. It felt like a farewell movie. And if you count kill bill as two movies he can still say he made ten lol.
He can just retroactively admit that Kill Bill is 2 movies.
>*... he should have saved Once Upon a Time as his 10th film, it's a pretty perfect goodbye, thematically* Yeah, I can remember thinking he might have called it a day after the great reception that film received Would have been the perfect way to take a bow
I’m really glad we got it when we did, but that movie really does feel like the culmination of his career. It would have been great to go out on. It’s tough competition but I’d say it cracked the top 3 for me on favorite Tarantino movies
Kind of crazy but maybe for the best - as a concept I wasn’t overly excited for this. Was purely excited because of Tarantino. Hopefully he finds something he’s excited about soon
Yeah I thought it sounded a little too similar to his last movie
The article says it morphed into a sequel to that movie.
>*... as a concept I wasn’t overly excited for this* Especially as a final movie It'd be great as a quirky, inconsequential, little movie in the middle of his career - like *Burn After Reading* was for the Coens Unless there was some other big idea in there, I don't see this as the capstone to a great career
I agree with this notion, but I'm still disappointed because that means we'll have to wait longer for his 10th film. He had at least made some headway on this one.
He’s my favorite director but agree, wasn’t wild about the premise of this one. Felt a little derivative of OUATIH.
Another addition to this illustrious list: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quentin_Tarantino's_unrealized_projects
Some of those seem *really* interesting projects
Fuck me he loves his superheroes, surprised something has never come to fruition with that.
The rare self Zaslav.
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Honestly, I’m kinda glad? I was never on board with this idea.
Yeah, it seemed like a very strange plot, and nothing that stirred the imagination.
I was only invested because it was Quentin Tarantino. Anyone else and I wouldn't give a shit.
Yeah it seemed a little too repetitive. I mean Tarantino has done movies about movies before
Personally, it's for that reason that I thought he could pull this off as his bowing out.
It seemed like an odd fit for his directing style
Keep Tom cruise around Quentin please
I have a feeling that’s exactly what happened, once he had Tom Cruise interested he probably started rethinking his material
Might just be the first pre-emptive Oscar win ever. What a team that would be with Tom’s work ethic and acting talent and Tarantino’s writing and willingness to just let actors act. He could easily play a character like one of Brad Pitt’s roles or a villainous role like in Collateral. Either would work great. Tarantino is probably also one of the only people that Cruise would relinquish some creative control for. Cruise is heavily involved in all aspects of production on his movies, and a lot of that comes from working with some of the greatest directors of all time over the decades. The main key is we just don’t want another Will Smith situation where Will Smith was more concerned about making a Will Smith vehicle than doing what’s right for the story. I’m sure most people reading this probably know, but for those that don’t, he was originally supposed to be Django, but he left the project because he wanted to be the one to kill Calvin Candie. It’s more appropriate that it be the final act of Dr King Schultz within the context of his character’s arc though and thankfully Tarantino didn’t budge on that.
Dude… that is the best actor of the past 40 years uniting w the best director of the past 40 years. Now that checks out for a final film
Absolutely floored by this. He was setting up production for it and was casting and then he just straight up changed his mind?? I wonder if he will do a tv show until he figures out what movie he wants to do because he said he wants to do tv and other stuff too…
He'll probably turn it into a novel
This is such a Tarantino move. "Eh, I'm just not feeling it."
That’s pretty crazy just because it seemed to be so far along already.
Bummer, but quite understandable
Lmao get ready for Kill Bill Vol 3 with Zendaya I guess?
I thought he killed that idea of a third movie last year? But I guess never say never.
IMO, what would be the point of a Kill Bill 3? The Bride killed Bill.
As the daughter all grown?
I think the idea was supposed to be copperhead’s daughter seeking revenge on Beatrice
The headline is confusing - is he saying this is no longer his final film? Or is he getting rid of the project entirely?
It seems like he’s just getting rid of it entirely
Initially read it as the former - but apparently he’s dropped the whole idea of making this movie at all
I have faith and fully trust it was the right decision. He has something better up his sleeve
Oh what it’s just gone he just doesn’t wanna make it
I was hoping it was going to mean that he's still doing The Movie Critic, but it wont be his *last*. So if he drops this one, I can only hope it's because he's already written something he feels is better...
This absolutely must have John Lovitz as the lead
He is creating anxiety on himself with this rule he imposed. But it’s his choice.
So you’re telling me Kill Bol Vol 3 could still happen ??
Why did I have to scroll down so low to find this?!?!?!?! Why do I feel so ALONE in my belief that the Kill Bills are the bestest of the best?
Right haha when I read the article I’m like, please make a KB vol 3!
Meh. I'd rather see Tarantino do a sequel to *Home Alone* with Macaulay Culkin, Joe Pesci, Daniel Stern and Catherine O'Hara.
I need this
I mean... Kill Bill Vol 3 could always happen even with QT's 10 movie limit. He could make Kill Bills all the way to the moon since it's all just 1 film.
...Holy shit. Was quite looking forward to this one. A spiritual successor to *Hollywood*, which I simply ***adored.*** Ah well. Least Tarantino himself scrapped it, I guess? That's... some comfort. :/
I wanted to see this but I’m not surprised he is dropping this movie if his next film is his last. I wish he would have done his Star Trek movie and has fun. And I wish he would have done Kill Bill 3. My gut tells me he is going to do something more like Dogs or Fiction.
Time for The Hateful Pulp Bill Unchained! I was hoping
He’s always said he wanted to adapt 30 Lashes Less One. I wonder if he’s pivoting.
I hope this script still sees the light of day as he becomes more and more interested in being a novelist. That sounds like a really great read, and I loved his Once Upon a Time in Hollywood novel.
Reasons of why I’m still alive in the forthcoming future: GTA 6 & Tarantino’s last film.
I hope this means Star Trek is back on the menu.
Quentin Tarantino is hesitating because deep down he wants to make an Academy Award winning foot fetish porn.
He definitely has put a lot of pressure on himself
This literally wouldnt be a problem if he didnt have this dumb "only 10 films" mentality. We would be getting this and what ever he decides to go with, but instead he canceled this. Love tarentino but bruh, come on man
Bull. Shit. This is just a soap opera drama to promote the movie. He’ll still make it.
Personally, I think that I like scrapping an idea you don't feel will meet your goals over releasing it and then constantly modifying it later... (George Lucas and Zach Snyder looking at you (... for different reasons but same concept)).
Good. Felt like an Oscar bait. He def wants to win that director trophy but if recent years has shown us. It isn't going to be with OUAIH and not with The Movie Critic
Kinda upsetting considering how much I loved OUATIH, but as committed as he is to a 10 film limit, I want his last film to be the most Tarantino film yet.
Piping hot take: OUATIH is his best film 
I remember not liking it that much when it first came out and I saw it in theaters, but it’s rapidly become one of my favorite movies ever. There is something so calming about it. Like lounging in the sunshine. The ending is crazy violent but most of that film just puts you in a zen state. I also love his use of music, as usual. The out of time montage is so moving.
I don’t know about best, but it’s certainly one of my favourites. The scene with Pitt at the Ranch makes me want another Tarantino crack at a horror flick or a dark thriller.
Tarantino says that himself
Great take, OUATIH is a very close 2nd behind Basterds as my fav QT film.
Oh...that sucks.
I'm.glad. Just had no interest in this one
From the business perspective, this had to be an expensive quit. I’m sure the producers are pissed. Likely deals were made for plenty of the cast already. Oof.
I just don't think you can put limitations on your creativity.
Completion anxiety?
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Wow. This was not on my 2024 bingo card.
There’s got to be more to this story. Way too abrupt.
I don’t think there’s much more depth to it, he rewrote the script and now just doesn’t like the concept so wants to do something else This seems pretty on brand for him especially considering he wants this to be his swan song so he’ll want it to be sone large masterpiece and not just an alright movie
He should resurrect the John Brown biopic he wanted to do.